101 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 11-22-16

  1. It wasn’t obvious to me that they are mastodon bones. I have to scroll down to see the entire picture and likely wouldn’t have figured it out if you hadn”t told me.

    Is this the day JFK was shot? I was a new employee at the Army Map Service and was in training.

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  2. I just Googled it. At AMS, everyone was just standing around listening to the reports and talking. After a couple of hours of that, they sent us home and we watched TV for about a week.
    We didn’t realize at the time what a disaster it really was.
    The disaster was Lyndon Johnson. He did as much, maybe more, as Obama to harm the nation.
    VietNam War
    War on poverty.
    etc.

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  3. I was at school and we were released early. I remember walking down 7th Street toward home and casually remarking to the total stranger kid beside me, “did you hear the president died?”

    A reporter even then . . . .

    I also saw Lee Harvey Oswald shot live on television. What was my mother thinking? There wasn’t anything else on television even in LA with it’s five station, so I watched the coverage all day long while I worked a puzzle, played and so forth. Odd.

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  4. Two thoughts on JFK. I’ve done a lot of reading about the Kennedys lately. One thought, (which I think I mentioned a while ago) is that LBJ hated Kennedy but said that he did some research and found that one in four presidents died in office and being his VP was his only chance at the presidency. The other is that there were so many possibilities of people and groups who wanted JFK dead that, while I have no idea which one or ones were involved, I feel pretty sure that Oswald didn’t do the deed of his own volition (see also thought number one).

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  5. My photos are from our trip to see our son. This photo is from the Waco Mammoth National Monument site. It opened as a national monument in 2015. A group of mammoths got caught in a flood and so they have a lot of well preserved bones at this site. Wesley kept thinking I might drop my tablet (camera) into the pit. He would have loved this as a young lad who wanted to be a paleontologist.

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  6. I was in an elementary school classroom when we received the news about JFK. I thought it was terribly sad for his family, but I did not understand enough about politics and government to dwell on that aspect. My father was not a JFK fan, and we were not big television watchers so I was probably a bit sheltered from the news.

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  7. I was sitting in a vehicle at an airport. It was dark and my mom and dad were talking with such a serious tone. I knew something horrible had happened, but wasn’t sure what. We had just gotten off the plane from Germany where we had been living for the last 3 yrs. (Air Force) I remember the last part of the flight vividly. At one point it looked like we were in the middle of a sky on fire. Everywhere you looked the color was brilliant. I kept standing at the window and the stewardess kept telling me to sit. My dad talked to the stewardess and let me stand for a few minutes to see, then he strapped me in. We were flying in the middle of a sunset. I’ve never seen anything like it since. I was 4.

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  8. The Kennedys and Johnsons definitely didn’t like each other.
    I doubt that Johnson had anything to do with Kennedy’s assentation..
    However, the killing of Oswald rightly leads to conjecture. I doubt that we will ever know.
    And that was the point of it all.
    Kennedy’s assentation was a turning point in American life. None of you remember how it was before. But, essentially, politics was civil disagreement on procedure and policy.
    Politics was civil under Eisenhower and Kennedy..
    And the civil rights movement was progressing at a slower, but more peaceful pace.
    Johnson and Nixon made it all a blood game.

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  9. Hmm, they don’t mention our mammoth sites here on the prairie. They found mammoth bones when they drained Lake Tolo and that one was set up in Grangeville and found another while digging in Kamiah and it has its own little place right there on Main St. How could they miss us?

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  10. Elementary school but I don’t remember if we got out early. We did not watch the coverage on television. I remember people were disturbed.

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  11. One theory I’ve heard on why there are so many conspiracy theories on the assassination is that the killer didn’t fit the narrative. Since it happened in Dallas, it was at first automatically assumed to be a right winger. They were very disappointed when it turned out to be a communist, someone farther to the left. Jackie was supposed to have said, “He didnโ€™t even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights… it had to be some silly little Communist. “

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  12. Linda, I too have a fascination with reading biographies of the Kennedy Clan. I was thrilled, almost two years ago to go to the Johnson Presidential Library. Jackie called Johnson Colonel Corn Pone. She was very snide and derogatory about the Johnsons. He, on the other hand was either very slick or very taken with her. Listening to the phone conversations when they spoke after the assassination was like listening to a teenage boy talk to the girl of his dreams. It was a little uncomfortable, but she played him well.

    As for where I was? I don’t believe I was even a gleam in anyone’s eye at that point. My mother was married to her first husband and my father had just returned home from the Navy. They didn’t know each other.

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  13. Good snowy wintery Colorado morning!! Sis in law and her husband left this morning at 4:30…they got to experience a snowy forest morning before heading out….we are now officially tired….daughter and family come in tomorrow night….
    53 years ago I was sitting in my fourth grade class as Mrs Brix was teaching….Mr Beggs, our principal walked in and asked us to bow our heads as he was going to pray with us…our President had been shot and killed….I vividly recall sobbing as my head lay upon my desk…Mr. Beggs walked over and put his arm around my shoulders and whispered “bless you child”….we were dismissed from school and I cried as I walked the four blocks home….

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  14. Mumsee, I think the mammoth site got funding from three sources, the city of Waco, Taylor University, and the Federal government. If your area has three groups that could raise enough money to make something like the site happen then you might see it in the future. This did not happen overnight. It was a long time before all three groups were together. You still might see something like this happen long range in your vicinity. It depends on priorities and like everything else, location. Waco is growing by leaps and bounds so it has the advantage of drawing tourists for a variety of reasons.

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  15. I’m one of the olders then. ๐Ÿ˜‰ 14 months old with a 1-month-old brother.

    My future best friend was 4 days old.

    My earliest memory goes back to when I was three years old and had my adenoids taken out. So JFK I don’t remember.

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  16. Janice, one doesn’t have to be all that “young” not to remember something that happened 53 years ago. My husband is eligible for a senior discount at a lot of places (the theater, Wendy’s, McDonald’s), and he was alive when Kennedy was shot but very little. He said he remembers only bits of the funeral.

    The Vietnam War and Watergate were both within my lifetime, but we didn’t have a TV and my earliest “political” memory was the Ford/Carter election when I was nine. I do remember Reagan being shot (I was 13), but for reasons I don’t know, it wasn’t actually mentioned in the classroom. I heard my classmates talking about presidents being shot at–one asked a teacher if most presidents got shot at sometime during their time in office–but nobody said, “President Reagan has been shot and injured.” (I assume some of my classmates heard it from other people, thus the questions.) It wasn’t until I joined up with my brother and sister to go home after school that I heard Reagan had been shot that day. By the conversation in the classroom, I’d figured that gunshots were in the general vicinity of Reagan, but not that he had actually been shot.

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  17. I was in first grade on November 22, 1963. We had just come in the classroom from the lunch recess when the principal made the announcement about Kennedy’s assassination. Few of us 6 and 7 year olds understood what it meant, but it is the only time I remember seeing a teacher cry.

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  18. After a successful 7 AM visit to the grocery store, I’m set for food. However, it you were circling the Safeway parking lot at 8 am, you would have seen me scrambling about on my hands and knees–the cucumbers escaped from their bag and tried a get away.

    While I was attempting to corral the vegetables, the cart took off. A woman ran after it, nearly losing her 7 Up bottle! I’m just thankful the enormous truck didn’t run me over and I was still laughing when I returned my basket to the store and found yet another cucumber trying to evade capture in the crosswalk!

    Happy Thanksgiving preparation to everyone! I’m just bringing the relish tray–I hope! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Safe at home typing the rest of the day . . . . I hope!

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  19. 7th grade math class — the next period was home room where our female teacher was extremely distraught.

    My mom was in Iowa settling my grandfather’s estate, she and her sister rode the train home and arrived at Union Station where my dad and I met them on the day that Oswald was killed. She said all the African American porters were almost in tears on the 2-3 day train trip home — my mom and her sister, meanwhile, were also mourning the loss of their beloved dad who had just died a couple weeks earlier.

    School was out on the day of the funeral, I remember watching it in between playing basketball in the back yard (my mom kept saying it was historic so she wanted me to see at least some of it).

    All very sad and dark and scary.

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  20. I remember when our math teacher said kennedy had been “assassinated,” no one knew what that really meant — except me as I’d just done a paper on the history of Afghanistan where everyone was always getting “assassinated.”

    Guy is cutting a hole in my kitchen wall this morning so the dog door can be moved. Holding my breath that no major issues with electrical, etc., arise.

    hope this isn’t a mistake …

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  21. If it is, it’s too late now …

    Meanwhile, I was awakened early this morning (around 2 a.m.) by what I was sure was a gunshot.

    Turns out it was the bomb squad blowing up 3 pipe bombs found in a house just a few blocks from me. Nice. They had to evacuate some of the neighbors and the pipe bombs were set off in an alley.

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  22. Peter, I finally looked at last week’s PPPPP results. Regarding your comment, “So Kevin roots along with his big sister but not his older brother? Well, he picked my team, anyway, but didnโ€™t say anything about it.” I apologize for the oversight. Big sister has always been so obvious about it that when I picked Boise I knew she would be happy. But I didn’t know which team was your special team. Can you educate me for next time?

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  23. Michelle @ 12:53. I’ll bet that I’m the only one who remembers Pearl Harbor.
    And VJ day. VE day didn’t mean much. We had lots of fighting after that..
    But the Bomb changed that.

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  24. I’m really stressed with all this drilling going on. Tomorrow is door/window replacement and tub delivery. Then, hopefully a few quiet days as bathroom work gets lined up.

    I saw part of the Pearl Harbor movie last night (it was partly filmed in our town). My dad was sent there to help with the cleanup and my uncle jumped off the USS Nevada and survived the attack, but that was all before I was born. It was “the” defining event in my parents’ generation’s life, however.

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  25. I remember little from my early childhood. Having been six and in the first grade when JFK was killed, I must have been aware of it at the time, but I have no recollection.

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  26. Kennedy; it was Period 4 PE when the announcement came over the loudspeaker. I thought, “Everyone will forget how they were not happy with Kennedy and he will be a martyr!”

    He/They were not my favorites. Later when we learned about the real John Kennedy, and his brothers, I liked him/them even less, and with reason. When I think about how “loved” all the Kennedys were I now realize that I shouldn’t be so surprised that Democrats “love” Hillary. And I have lost any respect for Democrats, not that I had much to begin with.

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  27. Meanwhile, back at the Lutheran Study Bible gloss on Rahman in Joshua 2, there is this comment: “We do not owe truth to people who will use it for evil.”

    Comments?

    (A second grader 53 years ago.)

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  28. I remember all the special edition magazines that came out (Look, Life, etc.) with Kennedy on the cover and the photos …

    I was in college when the Zapruder film was released (it would instantly appear on social media if it happened nowadays, of course), causing a big uptick in interest about the assassination and whether there was more to the story than we were able to know at that time.

    My parents weren’t fans of Kennedy, either, but the event shocked and saddened everyone.

    It was a few months later (February 1964?) that the Beatles made their first trip to the U.S., providing what seemed like a much-needed break from all the grim news.

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  29. Drilling continues.

    The dogs are watching from the outside.

    I’m making calls to the lapd about our local ‘pipe’ bombs which were confirmed but there are no other details being offered.

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  30. Photos today remind me of our LaBrea “Tar Pits” and the LA County Natural History Museum — they have a lot of those exhibits that show “pits” currently under excavation with information on what was being found there.

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  31. I have a small box of clothes that belonged to me as a child. I was looking at them one day and took out a “sun suit”. I told my dad I remembered wearing it and I was sitting on the bed with a lady who was reclining. She had a scarf wrapped around her head and from the bed I could see into the kitchen. I described the kitchen to him. The lady was his Aunt Louise and she died when I was 18 months old.

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  32. Dog door is mostly finished, but a screw on one side didn’t connect right and that one corner is loose, so he’s having to fiddle with that.

    Lots of grunting and groaning and mumbling going on.

    But it looks good, as big as the existing one in the soon-to-be-gone sliding patio door. I’ll just have to re-train the dogs to go through this one (which will be different as it goes through a thick wall space).

    Last time I got a new dog door, the cat was the first one to figure it out.

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  33. Cats are just too smart (curious) for their own good.
    We have a comedy routine going on when I am dressing Art’s incision site and keeping Miss Bosley out of the room. She has learned the quick dart so I have to outsmart her. Then we hear pitiful meows at the door. Then scratching. Art and I are amused and laughing about the poor left out kitty. Maybe I should put hydrogen peroxide on her with gauze taped on. She’d have some new white highlights in her fur ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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  34. Amazing, Kim, that you remember so much. I do remember standing in my crib and hearing my parents talk at breakfast time as my oldest memory. I don’t know my age, only that I was impatient and wanting someone to get me out.

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  35. I read those last two posts in a row, Janice, and thought you were going to say you must have been in 5th grade when you were standing in your crib that time. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  36. Would it be awful to roast the turkey today and have it ready on the platter day after tomorrow? I’m home all day today…it’s snowing and I could just knock it out of the way….we never place the bird on the table anyway…it’s always carved beforehand and placed cut up on the platter….I’m working tomorrow and I still have to make pies, jello salads, veggies casserole, etc….

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  37. Ummmm No. Do what makes your holiday less stressful.

    I on the other hand am in my element. A friend of Youngest Son will be joining us again for Thanksgiving. He came two years ago, but was only added today. Mr. P was cautious about telling me…but my attitude is there is more than enough food and the more the merrier. I was going to have about 6 or 7 extra if he hadn’t stopped me, so I am taking the food to them to have in their home. What’s an extra plate around the table???

    On the other hand, I am cleaning today. When you go to someone’s home do you notice if the baseboards are clean? I wondered that as I was on my hands and knees scrubbing them.

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  38. Linda’s QoD: Nowhere, since I was born 21 years later (not quite to the day since my birthday happened earlier this month) ๐Ÿ˜‰ My father would have finisehd high school by then, but my mother must be about the same age as Bob Buckles. Sometimes I think I must be the current youngest member of the regulars here – I know there were younger people than I when we were on World.

    Janice, yes that makes sense since modern musical notation was developed during the Renaissance.

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  39. Since Kim says so…I’m going to go ahead and roast that bird! ๐Ÿ™‚ Thanks Kim!
    Baseboards….I dust the baseboards before company comes too! I do not look at baseboards when visiting other’s homes however….but I just know company will be looking at mine….and I give a fresh wipe of every door, door handle, door trim, light switch plate, floor edge, scrub behind faucets, dust the tops of light fixtures, mirrors…..I know I know….I just do…..

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  40. Nope, I don’t. I made an exception once. About twenty years ago, I was staying in the home of a relative who had been particularly obnoxious concerning my lack of housekeeping, so I looked. She missed behind the bathroom door. And the bathtub was clogged so water sat for hours. And other things but I stopped looking and told myself to let it go. I no longer care what folks think, as long as it is clean enough for us to live here, we are fine.

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  41. Dog door installer … after he got here and was reading the instructions he told me he had to measure “how tall” my dogs were to see how high to place it in the wall.

    Poor Cowboy, as soon as the guy came at him with the tape measure he went flat down on to the floor. I had to coax him back up again.

    All of this commotion is starting to take a toll on the animals — and me. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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  42. Michelle, regarding your question about the note in your study Bible on Joshua 2, I came across a similar teaching recently about the lawfulness of deceiving the wicked, in more than one place.One of the places I came across the teaching, the writer seemed to say that Abraham’s lie about Sarah was justified because Pharaoh was ungodly, and Abraham didn’t know that Abimelech feared God. The other place I came across it was talking about underlying Scripture themes, and claimed there was a theme of Godly women turning the tables and deceiving the seed of the serpent. I am very uncomfortable with such interpretations. Rahab is a heroine of scripture, but her lie itself is never the thing which is commended. Her lying seemed to me to be more an example of how no Bible hero was perfect, that they all needed a Saviour. To say that Christians are justified in lying to the wicked would seem to run along the lines of a certain other religion, which, it is frequently claimed, has no problem deceiving the infidel. If we find deception wrong in unbelievers, than I do not see how we can justify it in ourselves. To do so would be hypocrisy.

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  43. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/22/film-offers-first-ever-look-into-depths-sunken-pearl-harbor-ship.html

    โ€œPearl Harbor: Into the Arizonaโ€ film on PBS, scheduled to air at 9 p.m. ET Wednesday and 10 p.m. ET on Nov. 28, ahead of the 75th anniversary of the attacks.

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    It was a sight that Donald Stratton, a Pearl Harbor survivor, thought he would never see again.

    The remotely-operated underwater vehicle snaked through the corridors and rooms of the U.S.S. Arizona, revealing to him images of how the battleshipโ€™s insides looked before it was bombed by the Japanese 15 minutes into Americaโ€™s โ€œDay of Infamy.โ€

    โ€œThe phone was there on the desk and the lightbulb was in the socket. Itโ€™s just kind of eerie,โ€ said the seaman first class, who was on board the ship on Dec. 7, 1944. โ€œI never thought you could see something like that 75 years later.โ€ …
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  44. Wow, Jo, I didn’t know that C. S. Lewis died the same day.

    DJ, I’m sorry about all the ruckus you and the animals are dealing with. That’s hard, physical chaos along with noise and everything else. Prayers for you as you transition through it all.

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  45. The photos also remind me of Dinosaur National Monument in Utah. We visited nearly 20 years ago with the kids. My parents were along for the ride– I told my father he could come with us but he HAD to stop the car now and then to let the children out to run around. (He tended to drive, drive, drive until he arrived, no matter the complaints in the back, but it was my car).

    Once we got out there, we loved it. My father, in fact, liked it so much, he returned the following year!

    Fun memories.

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  46. Roscuro, I would like to be able to retain historical facts, dates as related to events like others around me do. My husband, my brother, and my son are all so good at that, but I, for whatever reason, have a deficit in that area. I do seem to have some common sense type skills that they may not have in abundance. I am so impressed with your level or layers of knowledge. Sometimes I feel intimidated by very intelligent people. But then I remember God made us all as He did for His purposes and not because He wants us to think of ourselves more highly in one way or another than we think of others. It is just amazing when you consider the variety of people and skills and talents He put on this earth. And He would use it all for good if only people would get in tune enough with Him to let Him use them fully. I know He can use anyone however He chooses, but if one is not willing then He may choose to use another. I am glad to know you are training to be thoroughly used by Him.

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  47. I do remember the midwives who used trickery to save those babies. They lied to the wicked. Lying is normally not good and is against God’s ways, but He is Creator of life, and if the lying is done to save a life against known evil, then perhaps God will not frown on it. But He must prefer for people to fully trust in His deliverance rather than lying, one of their own devices. I feel sure He would wish to hear a prayer for His help rather than a lie. That would please Him. He is always pleased by extreme acts of faith and trust.

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  48. Janice, I’m not really more intelligent than the average person. I’m only average in math, for example. What I do have is an excellent memory, which my father also has, only his memory is constructed around numbers and mine is constructed around words. My memory acts as a network, so that any one subject will trigger a flood of related facts that I remember. I can usually remember where I learned a fact too, which enables me to go and find it. What you said about not having that kind of ability reminds me of my mother, who says the same thing about herself. However, I think my mother is very intelligent, because whatever subject I discuss with her, she understands what I’m talking about. We talk about everything, world events, politics, religion, psychology, science, history, anything that comes up, and whatever facts I have to discuss, she is right there with me. She doesn’t have the kind of memory I have, but she is a wise woman.

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  49. Michelle, my son and I spent many hours at the Fernbank Science Center and their Museum of Natural History which is run over with dinosaurs. That is something he and I enjoyed doing with Karen and her daughter. Your sons would have loved it, too. We were so blessed to be here where we had so many engaging activities for His interests. Here is a link for it in case anyone is ever in town with young explorer types.
    http://www.fernbankmuseum.org

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  50. Janice, that is true about the midwives. I like that story, because it gives me courage to try to make a difference as a nurse. However, like Rahab was rewarded because she hid the spies, they were rewarded because they did not kill the Hebrew children, not because they lied to Pharaoh. God works with His people’s weaknesses, but I think those (like the person who wrote the quote that Michelle gave) that use such stories to say we should lie to the wicked aren’t thinking clearly. After all, good also came out of Tamar’s deception of Judah, but that hardly means that we should do what she did.

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  51. NANCYJILL!!!!!! I do too!
    The baseboards are clean. Thank you Mr. Clean Magic Erasers. I keep Lysal wipes and wipe door handles, switch plates, etc. I have a long handled feather duster for the lights and fans. Mr. P Windexed the glass in the front doors. I used WD40 on the stainless appliances.

    The only problem…and you KNEW there would be a problem…I am going to have to go make the cranberry sauce in a little while and tomorrow night I will be putting the side dishes together. Mr. P has asked that I not put the dressing together until Thursday morning. (He can taste a difference) and I am going to have to mess up the kitchen again. Oh… and the table linens haven’t been ironed. Former military who had to keep uniforms nice and clean and pressed should be able to do that right????

    Mr P has also decided that we need to start a new tradition of putting up the Christmas tree on Thanksgiving afternoon since Youngest Son is about to propose to his girlfriend. Thinking ahead, that man is…. this way when the grandchildren come to Grandpa and Mimi’s for Thanksgiving they can put up the tree. (Never mind that I waited 12 years to be able to do my tree my way again) ๐Ÿ™‚

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  52. Well, tomorrow should be interesting. Dropping the Jeep off before 8 a.m., window and door people arriving between 8 and 10 a.m., telephone interview with an AF Col. at 10 a.m. regarding Taps …

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  53. NancyJill – I’m debating cooking Christmas dinner when our daughter is home and serving the leftovers the next day to our son and future daughter-in-law. They won’t be home at the same time due to work schedules. That also means I can spend more time with the 2 who will be here the shortest.

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  54. Kare, it will be a different group of people the second time, but sometimes with my family if I want to serve the same main item as a dish twice the same week (say ribs that can make it for two dinners and not just one), I usually have some side dish that is also being reheated, maybe mashed potatoes . . . but I also change it up a little by having a green salad the second time, or baked beans, or something that I didn’t serve the first time. Just one option.

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  55. Cheryl, hopefully they would get some of everything as I usually make too much and have leftovers for days ๐Ÿ™‚ But yes, that is a good idea and something we often do so that it’s not the same whole meal.

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  56. Yes, John Kennedy & C.S. Lewis died on the same day, & so did author Aldous Huxley.

    I was two years old (but going to be three in less than two months).

    My dad had a sweatshirt with an eagle & the initials JFK. Since my dad’s name was John Frederick K_________, for a while I didn’t know those initials weren’t on there for him.

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  57. Speaking of housecleaning for company, hospitality, etc., I just opened to the first chapter of a book I checked out of the library yesterday, Unstuffed: Decluttering Your Home, Mind & Soul, by Ruth Soukup, and the chapter, Creating a Vision for Your Home, began with a quote by Edie Wadsworth:

    Hospitality is not inviting people to our perfect homes; it is inviting them to our imperfect hearts.

    That’s definitely what folks get when they come to my home. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  58. Kim – Putting up the tree on Thanksgiving would feel so over-whelming to me. There is so much kitchen work to do on Thanksgiving, having to deal with the tree after all that would just be too much for me.

    Well, maybe I shouldn’t complain, because I don’t do the cooking. But I do most of the clean-up, including on & off during the day while things are being prepared.

    Hubby told me earlier this month that we should just go out to eat for Thanksgiving. But Nightingale will not allow that. ๐Ÿ™‚

    (Please, don’t think we are letting her rule the roost. If we really wanted to go out, we would. But she loves cooking for Thanksgiving, & has planned out a great meal.)

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  59. 6 Arrows – I once read that it is more hospitable to order a pizza, or make an easy meal, & be relaxed & engaged with your guests than to make an elaborate meal but be anxious about all the details.

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  60. I took a brisk walk with the dogs tonight, despite feeling so tired and sleepy all day. It helped.

    Tomorrow will be a big day that’ll have to start early for me, but once those 2 new windows & the sliding door are in, things will (maybe) begin to start looking up. I’m excited especially about the new back door — the old one (there since before I moved in) leaves a bit to be desired in terms of its function & look.

    Then, if we can start lining up workers to swap out the bathtubs & then start putting together some of the rest of the bathroom, it might not take all that much longer ? (She said hopefully, and pleadingly with a tear forming …)

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  61. Hi, I am waiting to hear again from daughter after her car accident. She is supposed to be calling my brother to come up with a plan.

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  62. No tears, Donna, this is an adventure! And you have so many free consultants, what more could you ask for? oh, a bathroom you say, well that might be nice. Do they have showers where you work? Time to join a gym?

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  63. I stopped to talk with someone sitting in their yard while I was walking by. They, due to serious medical concerns, a car accident, where they spent months in Cairns, Australia know what it is like there. They encouraged me to rent a car for my trip.

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