58 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 10-27-20

  1. Kim, what puzzles me is that we have riots in places like Philadelphia.
    What issue is there that can be influenced by a riot in Philadelphia?

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  2. There is talk on TV about Trump pulling an upset and winning re-election.
    This is confusing.
    You don’t have to like Trump to realize that he is the only viable candidate.
    The Bidens are crooks. No doubt about that.
    You may not like Trump. But you don’t have a choice.
    The Biden company is not an option.

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  3. I have thought to post this several times before, but reconsidered. Now, though I maybe shouldn’t, make this observation.
    South Dakota must have the prettiest governor of all the states.
    Do the rest of us see that SD commercial?

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  4. I see that commercial, Chas, and each time it makes me want to go to South Dakota again. It is a very effective commercial.

    Someone mentioned googling the Biden controversy and seeing nothing. Since all the search engines are making that difficult to find, I wouldn’t put much stock in it. OTOH, I am wary of all such accusations until things are much clearer. It is a fact, though, that Biden is very, very rich from just working for the government all those years. Difficult to say how, though. I don’t need the info to vote at any rate.

    Roscuro, sorry for what you are going through. You certainly have my prayers.

    I watched online as Mike Pence gave his speech. Political speeches always remind me of pep festivals in school. There was a big turn out for a day where the high was 25 degrees and there was a brisk wind.

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  5. I will get the Covid vaccination when it comes out. First responders will be getting it and those most vulnerable first before it comes to me. People act like Trump will be making and approving the shot. Ridiculous! I know people affected by regular flu shots. Human bodies are all different. None of knows how each thing we put in our body will affect it. If most doctors and nurses get it, why should I worry? If we worried about every warning about every medical thing that is posted these days, we would be totally paralyzed. We do need to make educated decisions, but so much is hype and nonsense.

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  6. This is very unsettling to me (written by a respected religion reporter who also is a Christian)

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/seeking-power-in-jesus-e2-80-99-name-trump-sparks-a-rise-of-e2-80-98patriot-churches-e2-80-99/ar-BB1apfB6

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    The Washington Post

    Seeking power in Jesus’ name: Trump sparks a rise of Patriot Churches
    Sarah Pulliam Bailey

    … This is a Patriot Church, part of an evolving network of nondenominational start-up congregations that say they want to take the country back for God. While most White conservative Christian churches might only touch on politics around election time and otherwise choose to keep the focus during worship on God, politics and religion are inseparable here. The Tennessee congregation is one of three Patriot Churches that formed in September. The other two are near Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., and in Spokane, Wash., and Peters says he is talking with several more pastors of existing churches who want to join them.

    The 50 or so people in attendance may identify as born-again or just as generic “Bible-loving” Christians. Peters’s flock is not affiliated with a specific denomination, but it does have a distinct identity. The Patriot Churches belong to what religion experts describe as a loosely organized Christian nationalist movement that has flourished under President Trump. In just four years, he has helped reshape the landscape of American Christianity by elevating Christians once considered fringe, including Messianic Jews, preachers of the prosperity gospel and self-styled prophets. At times, this made for some strange bedfellows, but the common thread among them is a sense of being under siege and a belief that America has been and should remain a Christian nation. …
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  7. And from Veith today:

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    Identity Politics on the Right?
    OCTOBER 27, 2020 BY GENE VEITH

    In an ironic kind of judgment, we often become like our opponents. The anti-fascists of Antifa act like fascists, down to their Black Shirts. Atheists take on the form of evangelicals in their zeal to make converts by witnessing to strangers. Republicans act like Democrats in dispensing largesse with deficit spending.

    And now that the Left has adopted identity politics, the mindset of intersectionality, and the rhetoric of grievance, conservatives have started doing it too.

    So says Dan Ellsworth, in his article for Public Square entitled Intersectional Anger on the Left and the Right.

    He draws on Francis Fukuyama’s book Identity: The Demand for Dignity and the Politics of Resentment [paid link]. Fukuyama shows the problems of identity politics, but recognizes that at its roots, it is a desire for human dignity and a sense of worth. …

    … The final, and perhaps most significant, problem with identity politics as currently practiced on the left is that it has stimulated the rise of identity politics on the right . . .

    “. . . the right has adopted the language and framing of identity from the left: the idea that my particular group is being victimized, that its situation and sufferings are invisible to the rest of society, and that the whole of the social and political structure responsible for this situation (read: the media and political elites) needs to be smashed. Identity politics is the lens through which most social issues are now seen across the ideological spectrum.” (Fukuyama)

    … Thus we have evangelicals, the white working class, men, non-college graduates, small town and rural folks, small business owners, and other groups airing their grievances–like Seinfeld‘s Mr. Constanza on “Festivus”–and voting their grievances. …

    … Ellsworth critiques identity politics, but he and Fukuyama acknowledge the reasons for it and are sympathetic to those who feel disrespected and unvalued. Indeed, their grievances are often quite legitimate. But you can’t have a politics–or a society–built around the perpetual conflict of competing groups. …

    … Ellsworth talks about the capacity of religion to bring diverse people into a larger unity. Thus, Christianity teaches that every human being has been created in the image of God and thus has intrinsic value. Christian ethics can teach us to respect the dignity of every human being. Moreover, Christianity gives us an identity, one that transcends the other identities that we have in this world:

    For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:27-28)
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  8. 6 Arrows – (re: your comment to me last night) – That is something for me to keep an eye on, but I don’t think I’ve had adverse reactions specifically after any past dental appointments. I do notice that my sensitive teeth are more sensitive for a few days after a cleaning, but I use toothpaste for sensitive teeth, and they get back to normal after a bit.

    However, did you see my comment about how my body often/usually reacts when I have a “trauma” to my body, even a minor one like a tooth extraction or a mild cold? I get fibromyalgia-type aches and pains, and being very tired and worn out, no matter how much sleep I get, goes along with that. So I think the pain and tiredness played into my mood. (Still dealing with those symptoms, but they may be waning. They are worse later in the day and in the evening. Prayers welcome!)

    So you did have a point, but it is something not specific to dental appointments.

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  9. Lots of discussions out here on our Neighborhood page as to which generator to buy . . .

    Several people asked about ours–which we did not have to use since our power stayed on.

    It’s become so routine, power outages, that the children have power outage packets to work on at home since they can’t be guaranteed Zoom, the paper doesn’t even track how many are without power, and the friend I walked with (who has a generator), had to stop and think if their power was back yet. (It wasn’t).

    A “third-world way” to live, as my neighbor said.

    Blankets at night, 80 in the afternoon. Welcome to California.

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  10. One of the Adorables is coming over after lunch to work with me. 9 years-old, she’s butting heads with her mother about her inability to sit and get the work done which is due tomorrow.

    We’ll sit at the table together and she’ll work, I’ll assist as needed, and will work on my project at the same time.

    Zoom school is getting to people.

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  11. I’m having to walk out onto the sunny front porch for work breaks — just to warm up. At noon, it’s a lot warmer outside than it is inside.

    My hands are ice cubes and I have a heavy hooded sweatshirt on — over layers of both short- and long-sleeved T-shirts. And sweatpants and fleece moccasins. Brrr

    Meanwhile, we’re getting smoke-tainted air from the Orange County fires just to the south of LA.

    California, indeed.

    But is is “sunny”!

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  12. Janice, just saw the headline and it reminded me of Olasky’s point from a few days ago about how we are allowing this election to divide us as Christians. Why is it so hard, I wonder, to accept that believers can legitimately come to different conclusions on a secular election question? And allow each other grace in that?

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  13. “Evangelical elites”?

    Who do we think ‘they’ are, exactly? Not truly brothers and sisters who, like all of us, are trying to make sense of a very difficult time in our nation?

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  14. Like DJ, I was put off by the headline and subheadline (“Evangelical Elites Try to Demonize Votes for Trump: They’re blind — or worse — to the false moral equivalence between abortion and their classic character concerns”). Writers like him are trying to demonize people who cannot in good conscience vote for Trump, even if they do not vote for Biden. Apparently, God cannot change hearts and situations if Democrats are in office. (I’m sorry. I know that is sarcastic, but that is the vibe I get from some writers. Also, I did not like this writer’s tone.)

    Abortion rates have continued to decrease, even under Democratic presidents. Even so, I could not bring myself to vote for a Democrat. But abstaining from voting for president or voting third party are indeed reasonable options even for Christians, and it is wrong for other believers to try to make us feel guilty, as if we are delivering the babies into the abortionists’ hands by our votes or non-votes.

    I’m sorry if this offends anyone, especially Janice, whom I think is a sweetheart.

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  15. I have to say my so-far two-week social media fast (what? Two weeks already?) has been lovely.

    I know nothing about the fights and arguments pulling apart Christians except when I read about it in social media. Among my friends and church members, I don’t see anything. My relatives aren’t saying anything either and we’re too preoccupied with fire out here to pay attention to anything else anyway.

    I’m getting more done, am less stressed, and am sleeping better at night (that may be a confluence of several things).

    Anyway, I may be less informed but I’m happier.

    For the record, I do check in once a day–a quick scan on FB for anyone specifically looking for me, answering questions, and to check out the prayer page I’m in that called the fast.

    (Did I mention I’ve been physically fasting, twice a week, since September? They moved into a 22-day water-only fast two weeks ago, but I knew I couldn’t do that owing to health issues. Instead, I took the long social media fast, continued two-day a week plus lunches, and am looking forward to finishing a week from tomorrow! This is hard!)

    Anyway, back to bliss and an Adorable do soon.

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  16. One more thing; here’s today’s blog post: https://www.michelleule.com/2020/10/27/babylons-gate/

    When we were in Europe 2.5 years ago, we averaged 18K steps a day and two museums. Berlin involved up to four museums a day! (My husband and daughter called it the “Mom museum death march through Berlin.”)

    Anyway, the Pergamon Museum (on museum island! How convenient!) houses the most surprising exhibit I’ve seen in a long time.

    It’s particularly apt because our church is studying Daniel–just did this chapter this week–and I still can’t get over seeing Nebuchadnezzer’s actual gate into his inner court.

    The world is so small, both space and time-wise.

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  17. I am in no way offended by any who say they are put off by the title or point of the article. I did not post it to stir up controversy. It added a bit more to my understanding the differences people have going into this election. I did not post it to sway any opinions or name call, etc. It was only to add to a general information pool to have better understanding of the ideas out there.

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  18. Thanks for sharing that, Michelle. Some good friends of ours visited Germany a couple years ago and brought back a sense of wonderment at having seen Ishtar’s Gate. They tried to describe the scale, but said it’s hard to grasp from the pictures.

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  19. Debra! 🙂

    Michelle, your ‘death march’ crack reminded me of my friend whose daughter is known to complain (“no reading, no learning!” daughter said once when she was probably 10) about how they have to stop to read every monument sign and check out every museum when the go places on vacation. 🙂

    And I made a mistake just now of glancing at FB and seeing yet another diatribe against trump.

    People honestly just need to get a grip and get over the airing of every grievance!

    I hate social media more often than not. I post our stories but rarely now even scroll through comments on other topics, I post and leave, post and leave, post and leave.

    It amazes me that people appear to spend most of their days and nights on FB, jabbering mostly now about politics.

    I finished my 2 election night “lay downs” (the phantom stories with all the background and minus only the election-night numbers that’ll change by the hour) and have two more stories that have popped up to do later this week.

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  20. I’ve said also before that were I in a swing state where it looked close, I might take a different approach (or not). But I live in a dark blue state that’ll “go” Biden no matter what.

    Politics rarely are discussed at church, certainly not from the pulpit, and we don’t do the “voter guides” that some churches use. People are catechized, taught the Bible, exhorted weekly — and from that are thought to be able to make their own decisions on these matters.

    This is one of those elections (and we’re in a situation in our nation) where there are some gray areas, in my view, so I can understand how Christians can come up with different approaches, all in good faith.

    Politics isn’t an end-all and be-all kind of issue for us, or at least it probably shouldn’t be. But yes, in the U.S. politics is something of a national sport so we do tend to get wrapped up in it every 4 years.

    But life goes on, Christ is ruler over all. All will be well (ultimately, in a big-picture way).

    +++++++++++++++

    And Go Dodgers.

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  21. Dropped my ballot off; a bit of drama at the polling site when a woman showed up with a Trump hat and had to take it off, she was not happy. Then I was in the elevator with a couple who were complaining about her. Oy.

    I just stayed all out of that one.

    Polling place was in the ballroom at the hotel on the marina, so it was a nice drive and a pretty spot to be.

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  22. I’ve snoozed so many people on FB who post about politics or mask wearing or other stuff. I only see a few of my friends’ posts now, but I am happy. I used to do a sort of three strikes and you’re snoozed, but now it’s just “SNOOZE” I am on FB to enjoy my friends’ happiness and sorrows, and pictures, not politics.

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  23. Two days in a row with the little grands has worn me out. On top of those two days of twelve hour drives last week. My friends are gone for two days so it is so nice to have a quiet house. I went and voted, but my actual ballot has never come. Good thing I decided not to wait for it.

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  24. Debra, having no one that one can vote for and feel good about the vote isn’t “better” than being encouraged to vote Republican. I do think the current “vote for Trump even if you think his character is atrocious or you’re complicit in abortion” is a horrible argument.

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  25. Yeah, I think the Rays will regret that move.

    Everything unraveled for them after that.

    The dogs are hounding me for their walk, but I can’t leave until this game is over

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  26. DJ, 2017 wasn’t a loss. Problem is, how do you even know which teams should have been in the World Series, since cheating occurred during the season, too, and other teams were probably affected by it. But the title should have been taken away from the Astros, whether or not it was given to the Dodgers.

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