How do you respond to a Christian friend who says if you don’t vote for Trump you are voting for Hillary?
I don’t like either one and don’t want to vote for either of them. I will say that with Hillary we know what we are getting. With Trump we are getting an uncontrollable egomaniac. He moves his lips and words come out, but he doesn’t say anything of substance.
Now as to your friend……. and totally tongue in cheek…. 🙂
Have a little fun with it. Tell her Glenn Beck (a Mormon by the way) said no real Christian could ever vote for Trump. Tell her if she does, you’ll have to question her faith. 🙂
“Glenn Beck on Thursday suggested that GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump is incompatible with Christians who take their faith seriously.
No Christian, no real Christian I don t mean a judgmental Christian, I mean somebody who is living their faith no real Christian says, I want that guy, that guy is for me, he said during a broadcast of his radio show. “Nobody, nobody.”
We should be setting an example if we re actually living our Christian faith. The problem is we all say we re living our Christian faith [and] we re not living our Christian faith.
Beck additionally vowed he would challenge any religion or denomination he believes is ignoring its own guiding principles.
I ll take on the Jews, and I ll take on the Lutherans, and I ll take on the Catholics, and I ll take on the Mormons, he said. “I ll take them all on. You re damn right. Where are you? You re not living your principles.”
Now it’s not that I don’t agree with most of what he says. I just find it somewhat amusing that a man who is a member of what many “real” Christians consider a cult would be the one to say it.
A phantom “vote” for Hillary — it may be true by default. It’s one less Republican vote, basically.
But for some the choice between Trump & Clinton is a real crisis in conscience. I’m more apt to see optimism in a Trump vote (since we really don’t know what we’re getting, he may not be such a horrible president; then again, he might!). Clinton I know would be beyond awful.
Still, I’m looking at very possibly abstaining for the first time ever.
Then again, November is still a ways off. Praying it’s not as bleak as it looks right now!
And here’s an interesting argument against a 3rd party conservative from an anti-Trump GOP voice, with an eye toward the future and how conservatives could best re-group and move beyond/recover from the Trump phenomenon post-2016, assuming he loses to Hillary:
If Trump loses in a race involving an independent Republican, those who backed him will be able to shift the blame for the defeat to those who backed a third candidate. The “stab in the back” will challenge (and perhaps replace) the “foolish (to put it mildly) joy ride” as the prevailing narrative of the 2016 adventure. …
… citing numerous examples for our history, “losing stinks, which is why political parties normally react decisively to the experience” by turning in the next election to someone very different from the defeated candidate. If, however, it can plausibly be argued that a third party candidate brought on the defeat, the loser and his boosters may well avoid such a reaction.
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Trump’s character is among the biggest problems for Christians, of course.
And, as hard as it is for us political hounds, there are personal stands to take that, ahem, trump politics and winning an election. But, yes, ouch. It’s all quite painful for all of us.
And very personal choices, all of that. I’m guessing there will be ongoing discussions within the Christian community about those options as this goes on — should Trump be the nominee.
Just one month before the Republican presidential convention, the fate of the party’s primary race could be determined in the unlikeliest of battlegrounds: California.
The state, voting alongside several others on June 7, was never expected to be a major factor this year due to its late position on the primary calendar. But now, the tight state of the race means territory long known as a bastion for liberal Democratic politics will have incredible sway over the GOP contest.
With 172 delegates in play, the largest haul of any state on the primary map, California could help decide whether Donald Trump is able to clinch the nomination before the July convention — or whether the party will be looking at a floor fight in Cleveland.
“We’re not used to talking about California being an important state in the general or primary election — particularly the Republican side in the primaries. But this year, every delegate matters, and California, which is sitting right at the end of the calendar on June 7, is a huge prize,” said Nathan Gonzales, head of the Rothenberg & Gonzales Political Report, an election handicapper. …
Bill Whalen, politics research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, said the battle will be waged across a diverse population, which ranges from the Latino strongholds of Southern California to the wealthy Silicon Valley tech elites in the north to the socially conservative evangelicals of the “inland empire.”
The successful candidate here will have to navigate those ramparts and everything in between.
The most recent poll shows front-runner Trump with the edge. …
Whalen, though, said Cruz could have an advantage.
“There’s going to be a premium on the ground organization and that favors Cruz,” he said. …
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Now just imagine the outcry from Dems if Christian churches started holding voter registration drives. You’d be deaf from the shrill cries demanding “seperation of church and state!” Yet you’ll hear nary a whisper from them against this, because they’ll be voting Democrat.
“American Muslims are watching in growing horror as Donald J. Trump and Senator Ted Cruz battle for the Republican presidential nomination, outdoing each other with provocative proposals that have included Muslim registries, immigration bans and fleets of police patrolling their neighborhoods.
With round tables, summit meetings and news releases falling on deaf ears, national advocacy groups are planning to fend off policies they consider hostile to Muslims with a more proactive strategy: driving up the Muslim vote.
Organizations like the Council on American-Islamic Relations, known as CAIR, the Islamic Circle of North America and the U.S. Council of Muslim Organizations are encouraging mosques to turn themselves into voter registration centers before the November election so that Muslims can make their voices heard at the polls. Registration drives are expected to ramp up significantly in June, during Ramadan, when attendance at Islamic centers peaks.”
Maybe the US will be lucky and you can choose Sanders.
Not a big fan of the Clintons but I fail to see why anyone would feel her presidency would be a disaster. Looking at Bill Clinton’s accomplishments versus Trump’s private sector accomplishments, and imagining Hilary to run things not much different than Bill (she might be more conservative in some areas and more liberal in others) I’d would thing the obvious choice is Hilary over Donald.
Hmm. Chubby rude orange-haired man. Has problems with women. Likes golf and gold. Flies around in a private jet. No wonder I’ve had this sense of déjà vu.
Fortunately, accordingly to a sweet woman in my community, the Secret Service were on guard, standing around that server with guns so nothing could possibly go wrong . . . 😦
Even without super delegates, Sanders is 300 behind. The super delegates may change their mind if he catches up and he will close the gap this weekend, but I don’t think he will pass her and cause the super delegates to rethink their support. I’m sure Sanders, who has no obligations to the DNCs, will take this to at least California. Republicans should be happy its Clinton not Sanders. Sanders is well ahead in polls against all Republicans, Clinton can only beat Trump. Once the primaries are over it will be interesting to see what the Democrats will do to woo over the Sanders supporters who are independents and/or under 30. Clinton needs them to win. It will also be interesting to see if Sander’s and his supporters can create a sustained political movement (unlike the Obama 08 campaign which the DNC rushed to dismantle) at all levels of government.
The problem for the Republicans concerning Clinton is they are like the boy who cried wolf. They’ve accused her or her husband of so many nefarious crimes yet they are still standing. Now its reached the point where no one except FOX and Republicans listen.
Currently, Clinton is campaigning as Obama’s third term. Electorally it makes sense, younger voters are more inclined to identify with Obama than Bill. Personally, I don’t think there is a huge policy difference between the two men. And Republican naysayers aside, both have had fairly successful presidencies.
HRW, I haven’t followed the Dems very closely. I have noticed that Sanders did well among young people and whites. Why did Hillary beat him so badly among blacks, particularly in the South?
I have no idea. Sanders is popular with some younger more educated blacks but many African Americans in the South especially seem to have an affinity for the Clintons. Its classic voting against one’s interest. There’s the Clinton myth and then there’s the Clinton reality in which his policies adversely affected the African American community
Confession: I walked door-to-door for George McGovern (’72) as a college student and encountered much of that conflict: unions and working, blue-collar folks feeling more than reticent about McGovern, the pacifist of his time …
I see the same thing playing out with Bernie — the working class who prefer (sorry) Hillary or (gasp) Trump.
And the college elite liking Bernie.
Some things just don’t ever change.
Or at least they don’t seem to change … until they (someday) change.
Here is another theory. Most blacks like Democrat policies. They like Affirmative Action and they like social programs. Maybe they concluded that Hillary is more electable than Sanders and were trying to pick the best candidate for November. I know there are polls showing Sanders doing well in the general election, but most experts would agree that Hillary has a better chance of winning.
The funny thing is that black Democrats are like almost everyone else. They could not have predicted that the Republicans would be so stupid as to nominate Trump. If that happens, the Democrats could probably run Raul Castro and still win.
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How do you respond to a Christian friend who says if you don’t vote for Trump you are voting for Hillary?
I don’t like either one and don’t want to vote for either of them. I will say that with Hillary we know what we are getting. With Trump we are getting an uncontrollable egomaniac. He moves his lips and words come out, but he doesn’t say anything of substance.
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Kim,
AJ here,
And Hillary isn’t an egomaniac? 🙂
Now as to your friend……. and totally tongue in cheek…. 🙂
Have a little fun with it. Tell her Glenn Beck (a Mormon by the way) said no real Christian could ever vote for Trump. Tell her if she does, you’ll have to question her faith. 🙂
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/glenn-beck-no-real-christian%E2%80%99-should-support-trump/ar-BBqTEQV?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U142DHP
“Glenn Beck on Thursday suggested that GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump is incompatible with Christians who take their faith seriously.
No Christian, no real Christian I don t mean a judgmental Christian, I mean somebody who is living their faith no real Christian says, I want that guy, that guy is for me, he said during a broadcast of his radio show. “Nobody, nobody.”
We should be setting an example if we re actually living our Christian faith. The problem is we all say we re living our Christian faith [and] we re not living our Christian faith.
Beck additionally vowed he would challenge any religion or denomination he believes is ignoring its own guiding principles.
I ll take on the Jews, and I ll take on the Lutherans, and I ll take on the Catholics, and I ll take on the Mormons, he said. “I ll take them all on. You re damn right. Where are you? You re not living your principles.”
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Now it’s not that I don’t agree with most of what he says. I just find it somewhat amusing that a man who is a member of what many “real” Christians consider a cult would be the one to say it.
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A phantom “vote” for Hillary — it may be true by default. It’s one less Republican vote, basically.
But for some the choice between Trump & Clinton is a real crisis in conscience. I’m more apt to see optimism in a Trump vote (since we really don’t know what we’re getting, he may not be such a horrible president; then again, he might!). Clinton I know would be beyond awful.
Still, I’m looking at very possibly abstaining for the first time ever.
Then again, November is still a ways off. Praying it’s not as bleak as it looks right now!
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And here’s an interesting argument against a 3rd party conservative from an anti-Trump GOP voice, with an eye toward the future and how conservatives could best re-group and move beyond/recover from the Trump phenomenon post-2016, assuming he loses to Hillary:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/03/the-case-against-a-third-party-candidate-continued.php
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If Trump loses in a race involving an independent Republican, those who backed him will be able to shift the blame for the defeat to those who backed a third candidate. The “stab in the back” will challenge (and perhaps replace) the “foolish (to put it mildly) joy ride” as the prevailing narrative of the 2016 adventure. …
… citing numerous examples for our history, “losing stinks, which is why political parties normally react decisively to the experience” by turning in the next election to someone very different from the defeated candidate. If, however, it can plausibly be argued that a third party candidate brought on the defeat, the loser and his boosters may well avoid such a reaction.
_____________________________
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Trump’s character is among the biggest problems for Christians, of course.
And, as hard as it is for us political hounds, there are personal stands to take that, ahem, trump politics and winning an election. But, yes, ouch. It’s all quite painful for all of us.
And very personal choices, all of that. I’m guessing there will be ongoing discussions within the Christian community about those options as this goes on — should Trump be the nominee.
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At least our late-the-game primary out here in the far, far west may finally count for something this time around:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/25/plot-twist-long-ignored-california-could-be-deciding-factor-in-gop-race.html?intcmp=hplnws
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Just one month before the Republican presidential convention, the fate of the party’s primary race could be determined in the unlikeliest of battlegrounds: California.
The state, voting alongside several others on June 7, was never expected to be a major factor this year due to its late position on the primary calendar. But now, the tight state of the race means territory long known as a bastion for liberal Democratic politics will have incredible sway over the GOP contest.
With 172 delegates in play, the largest haul of any state on the primary map, California could help decide whether Donald Trump is able to clinch the nomination before the July convention — or whether the party will be looking at a floor fight in Cleveland.
“We’re not used to talking about California being an important state in the general or primary election — particularly the Republican side in the primaries. But this year, every delegate matters, and California, which is sitting right at the end of the calendar on June 7, is a huge prize,” said Nathan Gonzales, head of the Rothenberg & Gonzales Political Report, an election handicapper. …
Bill Whalen, politics research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, said the battle will be waged across a diverse population, which ranges from the Latino strongholds of Southern California to the wealthy Silicon Valley tech elites in the north to the socially conservative evangelicals of the “inland empire.”
The successful candidate here will have to navigate those ramparts and everything in between.
The most recent poll shows front-runner Trump with the edge. …
Whalen, though, said Cruz could have an advantage.
“There’s going to be a premium on the ground organization and that favors Cruz,” he said. …
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Now just imagine the outcry from Dems if Christian churches started holding voter registration drives. You’d be deaf from the shrill cries demanding “seperation of church and state!” Yet you’ll hear nary a whisper from them against this, because they’ll be voting Democrat.
“American Muslims are watching in growing horror as Donald J. Trump and Senator Ted Cruz battle for the Republican presidential nomination, outdoing each other with provocative proposals that have included Muslim registries, immigration bans and fleets of police patrolling their neighborhoods.
With round tables, summit meetings and news releases falling on deaf ears, national advocacy groups are planning to fend off policies they consider hostile to Muslims with a more proactive strategy: driving up the Muslim vote.
Organizations like the Council on American-Islamic Relations, known as CAIR, the Islamic Circle of North America and the U.S. Council of Muslim Organizations are encouraging mosques to turn themselves into voter registration centers before the November election so that Muslims can make their voices heard at the polls. Registration drives are expected to ramp up significantly in June, during Ramadan, when attendance at Islamic centers peaks.”
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Apologies in advance to the ladies. We all knew Trump was not an Alpha Male. He is instead a Mean Girl.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/03/donald_trump_alpha_male_or_mean_girl.html
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Maybe the US will be lucky and you can choose Sanders.
Not a big fan of the Clintons but I fail to see why anyone would feel her presidency would be a disaster. Looking at Bill Clinton’s accomplishments versus Trump’s private sector accomplishments, and imagining Hilary to run things not much different than Bill (she might be more conservative in some areas and more liberal in others) I’d would thing the obvious choice is Hilary over Donald.
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HRW, If it weren’t for all those superdelegates, I think your guy might beat Hillary.
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Hmm. Chubby rude orange-haired man. Has problems with women. Likes golf and gold. Flies around in a private jet. No wonder I’ve had this sense of déjà vu.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auric_Goldfinger
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The problem? How about all that illegal activity which threw Petreus in jail for much lesser charges? 😦
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Fortunately, accordingly to a sweet woman in my community, the Secret Service were on guard, standing around that server with guns so nothing could possibly go wrong . . . 😦
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HRW,
Anyone whose heard Hillary’s promises to voters knows she’s more likely to be Obama’s 3rd term, rather than Bill’s.
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Well, I suppose a lot of it also depends on your world view (as to which candidate would be more disastrous than another)
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Even without super delegates, Sanders is 300 behind. The super delegates may change their mind if he catches up and he will close the gap this weekend, but I don’t think he will pass her and cause the super delegates to rethink their support. I’m sure Sanders, who has no obligations to the DNCs, will take this to at least California. Republicans should be happy its Clinton not Sanders. Sanders is well ahead in polls against all Republicans, Clinton can only beat Trump. Once the primaries are over it will be interesting to see what the Democrats will do to woo over the Sanders supporters who are independents and/or under 30. Clinton needs them to win. It will also be interesting to see if Sander’s and his supporters can create a sustained political movement (unlike the Obama 08 campaign which the DNC rushed to dismantle) at all levels of government.
The problem for the Republicans concerning Clinton is they are like the boy who cried wolf. They’ve accused her or her husband of so many nefarious crimes yet they are still standing. Now its reached the point where no one except FOX and Republicans listen.
Currently, Clinton is campaigning as Obama’s third term. Electorally it makes sense, younger voters are more inclined to identify with Obama than Bill. Personally, I don’t think there is a huge policy difference between the two men. And Republican naysayers aside, both have had fairly successful presidencies.
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But back to the campaign 🙄
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/ted-cruz-trump-national-enquirer-221241
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While Cruz and Trump fight for the headlines of the Enquirer. Sanders has won the dove endorsement
vote.https://youtu.be/HUNr0EdvCkA
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HRW, I haven’t followed the Dems very closely. I have noticed that Sanders did well among young people and whites. Why did Hillary beat him so badly among blacks, particularly in the South?
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I have no idea. Sanders is popular with some younger more educated blacks but many African Americans in the South especially seem to have an affinity for the Clintons. Its classic voting against one’s interest. There’s the Clinton myth and then there’s the Clinton reality in which his policies adversely affected the African American community
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Seems like the familiar split between old-line (traditional, working class) liberals and new-age (more socialist-college inclined) liberals … Not new.
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Confession: I walked door-to-door for George McGovern (’72) as a college student and encountered much of that conflict: unions and working, blue-collar folks feeling more than reticent about McGovern, the pacifist of his time …
I see the same thing playing out with Bernie — the working class who prefer (sorry) Hillary or (gasp) Trump.
And the college elite liking Bernie.
Some things just don’t ever change.
Or at least they don’t seem to change … until they (someday) change.
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Here is another theory. Most blacks like Democrat policies. They like Affirmative Action and they like social programs. Maybe they concluded that Hillary is more electable than Sanders and were trying to pick the best candidate for November. I know there are polls showing Sanders doing well in the general election, but most experts would agree that Hillary has a better chance of winning.
The funny thing is that black Democrats are like almost everyone else. They could not have predicted that the Republicans would be so stupid as to nominate Trump. If that happens, the Democrats could probably run Raul Castro and still win.
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