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Our Daily Thread 12-29-14

Good Morning!

On this day in 1812 the USS Constitution won a battle with the British ship HMS Java about 30 miles off the coast of Brazil. Before Commodore William Bainbridge ordered the sinking of the Java he had her wheel removed to replace the one the Constitution had lost during the battle. 

In 1845 President James Polk and signed legislation making Texas the 28th state of the United States.  

In 1851 the first American Young Men’s Christian Association was organized, in Boston, MA. 

And in 1890 the U.S. Seventh Cavalry massacred over 400 men, women, and children at Wounded Knee Creek, SD. This was the last major conflict between Indians and U.S. troops. 

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Quote of the Day

“The goal to strive for is a poor government but a rich people.”

Andrew Johnson

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 Today in 1812 this piece was performed for the first time. Parts 2/3 are available after the first.

From the man on violin, Adrian Demian

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Anyone have a QoD?

103 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 12-29-14”

  2. Good morning, friends. I hope everyone is enjoying these last remaining days of 2014. I feel a bit of sadness as another year passes and I am so slow in making progress on goals, yet I have the greatest happiness of knowing this has been the blessed year my husband stopped smoking.

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  6. Well, I also can think of Tiger and Dickens and Hector and Varmint and Macavity (named for one of T.S. Eliot’s cats). But none of you knows any of them, and that is any of those, either.

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  9. I forgot AJ had another cat. I figured it was Bosley.

    And, just like a cat, ignoring the mouse toy in favor of playing with the ribbon and paper it probably came wrapped in.

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  12. Last night at the dog park there was a woman wearing a sweatshirt, hood up over her head, gloves and a really big, overstuffed parka — she had the whole pillsbury doughboy look going.

    Sitting near her was the man who is a native of Buffalo, N.Y. He was also complaining about how very cold it was.

    And we may get more rain this week, not a lot, but maybe a little.

    I remember when one of our former executive editors — no one liked her much — rode on one of the Rose Parade floats dressed up in some historical garb. She was from the Midwest so it was a big thrill and she’d been really looking forward to it. But it was one of those rare New Year’s days out here when it decided to rain.

    A photo of her waving to the crowds as her float glided by — absolutely drenched, long hair, historical dress and all — was a staple in the newsroom for years to come.

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  13. It is good for husband to be gone once in a while so I can remember how much I don’t like him gone. He connects me to the real world. He is the only adult I talk with most days but Sunday and this Sunday we were snowed in. Not really, I could have shoveled the driveway, but I didn’t. Of course, I never saw indications of a snow plow so they may not have gotten around here yet so I would have had to shovel to the mailbox. And maybe to the highway. It is nicer to be snowed in with husband home.

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  14. Donna, sorry to hear it is so very cold there. It was nearly sixty in the house this morning. Outside it is twelve but it may get very cold this evening.

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  15. Donna, my mom lived in Phoenix for nearly 40 years. When she was married to her second husband, they spent one winter in Georgia, and it was an unusually cold one, with temperatures down to around 15 a time or two, in a home that wasn’t built for that. (Only the living room was heated, as I recall.) I felt really sorry for her.

    But then I heard how when she was a little girl, in Hartford CT, she used to surprise her father because she’d be up and chatting away before he had lit the fireplace.

    Me, I grew up in Phoenix, and even for Phoenix I had a reputation for not liking the cold (I’d put on a sweater at 70 degrees); my family joked I would never marry unless I met a guy who promised never to leave Phoenix. One of my brothers moved to California (the LA area) because he found Phoenix not just too hot in summer, but too cold in winter (on a very rare occasion it would get below freezing, once, notably in his mind, down to the lower 20s, though I sure don’t remember anything like that).

    I am now living in Indiana, and that brother is living in Michigan. The rest of the family all lives in warm states (South, Southwest, southern California).

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  17. It’s good to have some sympathy, mumsee. I knew you’d understand.

    Meanwhile, I wish I could pick up an extra car, my right windshield wiper is messed up.

    I gave a homeless guy a couple bucks to wipe the windshield while I was filling the Jeep up at the gas station on the way home from the dog park last night. When I drove off I noticed the right windshield wiper looked askew.

    I stupidly turned the wipers on to “test” it and, yep, sure enough, the thing went all cattywampus on me, now the blade is twisted at right angles. Maybe I can fix it myself this morning. But I kind of doubt it. 🙂

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  18. I love cold weather. 🙂 Hate hot weather. 😦

    Truth is, it’s never quite cold enough for me here.

    But it is true, we have probably the mildest year-round temps anywhere (which is the appeal for many people, obviously). Not a lot of extremes.

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  20. Donna- I thought San Diego had the claim for the mildest temperatures. If I remember right, LA often has 90+ temps in summer, whereas it rarely gets that warm in SD.

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  23. I think the heat and humidity of Midwest summers, though, can be unbearable. Humidity is not common in the summer in LA, though sometimes we get a little spell of it. Misery.

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  25. Well Donna we are just going to have to fix that. Southern women don’t sweat they glisten and we have no need a lots and lots of moisturizer. Sure it’s sweltering in the Summer but you get used to it.

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  26. Hawai’i has the most moderate, steady, temperatures. I could never remember what month it was when I lived there.

    Electrician here and will drop the electricity for the day, some members of my family are panicked, but now that I got my blog written and dinner started on the stove, I may look forward to this!

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  28. I think I told you this before, but I was flying out of SD from a business trip. The lady beside me said that in San Diego, you can choose your weather. Near the coast if you prefer cool weather, move inland and you get hot.
    I haven’t verified that.

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  30. That’s Nosey Cat, AKA- The Kitten. She normally doesn’t lower herself to common cat standards by playing for an audience.

    That’s why our family is calling it our little Christmas miracle. Nosey doesn’t play. She bites, hisses, and whacks. But we not only got to watch her play, I got it on video to prove it. 🙂

    It’s pretty nice here in eastern Pa. In the 50’s. We think it’s warm, but some folks might call it “dog park cold”. 😆

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  32. Chas @ 12:04- It’s true. Once you get inland it gets warmer in the SD area, especially if you go to El Cajon. It’s in a valley, away from the ocean breezes. There is a good reason it got its name, which is Spanish for “The Box”.

    The last time we went out, we left Yuma, Arizona in 110° heat, climbed up to the pass through the mountains where it was in the 80s, then down to the coast on Coronado Island. The temp outside was 68° and felt cooler than the air conditioned van.

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  33. OK, I have no idea what I did. 🙂

    Ignore any odd changes you may note over the next few days.

    I’ve decided to upgrade!

    Out of necessity we needed a space upgrade. I love posting photos, and that eats up storage space. Let’s just say we now have plenty, so send away. 🙂

    I may change color schemes and fonts, or I may change the whole shabang. We’ll see. 🙂

    Tomorrow I’ll post something new, and my favorite new toy of all. 🙂

    Meanwhile, ignore my tinkering……

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  40. Interesting question, Janice. We just had that discussion with the friends we spent Christmas Eve with. They had a house full of people but made sure that introverts would be comfortable by allowing them to sit in the corner and just watch the fun, not forcing them to get up and act out charades, but still allowing them to guess the answers (I won by the way) 🙂 And simply understanding that they don’t want to be pushed in any way, shape or form.

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  41. Janice, I’m not sure I understand the point of a “church outreach to introverts.” Are you talking about evangelizing a specific family who happen to be introverted?

    In general, a church program might not be the best way to reach any specific family. Relationships with church members is better.

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  42. We only knew D & I (our friends) but still felt extremely comfortable and at home (husband is an introvert). He even commented how much fun the evening was and how comfortable he was even though he knew no one else.

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  44. I am an introvert by nature. The best way to reach them is by one-on-one. You don’t call on him/her in a group gathering until you become familiar with each other. You don’t start the meeting by saying, “We’re glad to have Janice joining our group. Janice would you start the meeting by leading us in prayer?” It can be tricky, you need to be interested in the person, but don’t ask for a testimony in the first meeting. Or second.

    And by all means, don’t call it the “Introvert Outreach program.”

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  46. I don’t know how to get my name back.

    Janice mentions a universal problem. All clubs, such as our Lions have the problem. Retention. How to get a person active without pushing an introvert by nature. You don’t usually start by asking him/her to be Third Vice President, as it happened to me. If I had been twenty five rather than seventy five, I would have disappeared.
    I used to belong to the Gideons. Their problem was that they smother you with love. Introverts want to be loved, but not smothered with attention.

    I have learned to handle the natural inclination to disappear into the crowd.

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  48. To keep the mask on the face and the airpiece in the mouth, not to mention being knocked out by the tanks. A second scuba diver should not wait in the water below the ladder as it is possible the tanks will fall out as the first diver climbs. People die that way.

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  50. Chas, as you type, it should say that you are commenting using your Word Press account. You have a choice to (Log out / Change). Choose “Change” and then put your name in the “name” box. You may have to do it again periodically, but it should stick for a while.

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  51. The blond man jokes would be funnier if the person writing them understood that “blonde” with an e is for women. “Blond” can be male or female, but “blonde” is exclusively female.

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  53. Note to everyone.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, our address has changed. It’s now officially wanderingviews.com

    You don’t need to change anything, the old address with wanderers and wordpress in it will still work and redirect you here. But it will make it easier to find too. 🙂

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  55. Like this Cheryl?
    Thanx.
    😦 I “liked” my own comment again. I didn’t really, I was just messing around.
    I’m the only person in the world who does that.
    🙂

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  56. If introverts feel too overwhelmed by the expectations of attending church, how can they be reached? We have an Apartment Life outreach nearby. What types of events would appeal? I would like to help. My brother just went to a holiday gathering and talked about the weirdness of those who sat silently. He is an extrovert sales personality and has never understood introversion.

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  58. The shyest introvert is not overwhelmed by attending church. Attending has no responsibility. It must be something else. Introversion usually avoids extensive social contact. That doesn’t mean they want to be hermits. That is another problem. As I said, I am naturally an introvert, but I have taught SS, preached sermons, giving briefings and led people.
    But I will not sell brooms or meal tickets. I do not get in front when pictures are made.

    In our SS class, the class president usually calls someone to open the class with prayer. When I teach, I always have the prayer myself. The reason for this, is because, years ago, It occurred to me that one guy, when he saw people being called to lead prayer, figured “I may be next”. Some people don’t pray in public. I don’t want anyone to be afraid.

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  61. Chas, very wise. We also try not to ask anyone to read a verse. If they offer, they can, but we once had a young man who must have had learning disabilities and could not read well at all. His parents asked us to never ask anyone to read or he would never go back to the Bible study. Something to always keep in mind.

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  62. Janice – One thing that would help is when presenting a need for people to help in this or that ministry, to spell out exactly what would be required, & mention if there are any “little”, background duties related to the need that someone can fill. I would often hold back because I didn’t want to put myself out there to ask, & then feel bad if I felt it was something I wasn’t up to, having to back away from making a commitment. Know what I mean?

    Several years ago, I was reading about how some families handle “courting”. The author wrote that it is good for the young couple to be active in ministries with their families (or one family) together. I remember thinking that not everyone is gifted or up to “doing ministry” in the way he described it, & yet he wrote that reluctance to do so would be a deal-breaker.

    My ministry in my old church was being in the church office during Sunday school, taking care of the SS offerings, & writing out checks for curricula, balancing the checkbook, etc.

    Later, God surprised me by making me leader of our Women’s Ministry for four years. 🙂

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  63. The Adult Sunday School leader we had for many years in our old church was so good in dealing with people. If someone would give a wrong answer to a question, or wasn’t what he was looking for, he would make some kind of positive comment, like “That’s an interesting point of view,” & then ask if anyone else had another thought. Of course, it the wrong answer was doctrinally/theologically wrong, he would address that, but in a manner that managed to not embarrass the person.

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  64. It is 0 outside….with a windchill of 18 below…..is it cold at the dog park tonight Donna? I keep thinking Kare is colder than me…oh how can that be?! I shoveled the couple of new inches of snow off of the drive today…I don’t know how to operate the snowblower…but I can still swing a shovel….took me an hour…and my hair that was hanging out of my hat was frozen solid!

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  67. I cannot imagine the very coldness of the dog park tonight. We were upstairs watching a couple of things: somebody gave seven year old a Tom and Jerry DVD and same somebody gave eight year old Popeye. So one episode of each is about twenty five minutes. Throw in an episode of Winnie the Pooh and we are maxed out. But getting there from here and back again requires going outside. Where it is cold. But not very cold, what with no ocean breeze. But the breeze that is here is definitely pushing the temp below zero. I am just glad I don’t have to enter the dog park at night in Los Angeles where it is very cold.

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  68. Thursday is expected to be one of the coldest Jan. 1’s in Pasadena’s history of the Rose Parade. They are issuing “Preparedness Actions” such as advising people to layer and drink warm fluids.

    I don’t even want to think what that means for the dog park.

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  69. Yes, I understand it may only get to fifty seven there on the first. Fifty seven was a very good year but apparently it is a very cold temp with the ocean breezes at the dog park. I am sure they will be needing to layer and drink lots of water. We do that here in those temps, sometimes we layer a long sleeve shirt over a t shirt for those very cold nights and we don’t even have ocean breezes. It is another day closer to that possible New Year’s resolution.

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  70. But I also see they have a winter freeze watch. I can only assume they all layer on the clothes and sit outside to watch the water freeze. Probably take pics of it on their cell phones. Or smartphones. Or whatever is this week’s deal. Probably not my flip phone though those are quite retro and cool. I only take pictures of the inside of my pocket with it because I don’t actually know how it is done.

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  71. And here it is: very cold weather is predicted.

    THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR SOUTHWESTERN CALIFORNIA.

    .DAY ONE… TODAY AND TONIGHT

    MANY WIND SHELTERED AREAS WILL EXPERIENCE NEAR FREEZING CONDITIONS
    LATER TONIGHT.

    * FROST ADVISORY………….SEE WWUS76 KLOX – NPWLOX FOR DETAILS *

    .DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN… TUESDAY THROUGH SUNDAY

    A VERY COLD AND DYNAMIC UPPER LOW WILL MOVE CLOSER TO SOUTHERN
    CALIFORNIA TUESDAY. THIS SYSTEM WILL BRING VERY COOL TEMPERATURES TO
    THE AREA AND LOW SNOW LEVELS ALONG WITH A CHANCE OF SHOWERS TO THE
    AREA TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY. THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE OF ACCUMULATING
    SNOW ON THE ANTELOPE VALLEY FLOOR AND IN THE LOS ANGELES AND VENTURA
    COUNTY MOUNTAINS TUESDAY INTO EARLY WEDNESDAY. A DRY BUT VERY COLD
    START TO THE NEW YEAR WITH LOWS ON THURSDAY IN THE MID 20S TO MID
    30S ACROSS THE VALLEYS.

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  72. No mention of very cold on here so we are fine:

    COLD NORTHEAST WINDS OF 25 TO 35 MPH WITH GUSTS TO 45 MPH WILL BE
    COMMON OVER MUCH OF CENTRAL AND EASTERN WASHINGTON. GUSTS AS HIGH
    AS 50 MPH WILL BE POSSIBLE IN THE IDAHO PANHANDLE BETWEEN
    SANDPOINT…COEUR D`ALENE…AND POST FALLS AND MAY PRODUCE BLOWING
    AND MINOR DRIFTING OF SNOW. WIND CHILL VALUES THROUGH MONDAY EVENING
    WILL BE AS LOW AS ZERO TO 20 BELOW. WINDS WILL DIMINISH BY TUESDAY.

    .DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN…TUESDAY THROUGH SUNDAY

    CLEAR AND COLD CONDITIONS WILL PERSIST THROUGH WEDNESDAY WITH THE
    LOWEST TEMPERATURES OF THE SEASON SO FAR LIKELY TUESDAY MORNING.
    TEMPERATURES WILL SLOWLY MODERATE THROUGH SUNDAY.

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  79. This is almost comical in its clueless twist of scripture:

    YF posted on Facebook…

    ” ‘I can’t accept you for being transgender, the bible says it’s a sin.’

    Galatians 3:28

    ‘There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.’ “

    My response: “Not to get into the transgender issue, but you are misapplying that scripture. Jesus Himself said that we are created male & female. This verse is talking about the equality we all have as believers in Christ.”

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  80. I did not mention seventy five. Nor can I find the top posts and pages place so we continue to tediously sift my way through old posts until I find it, lest somebody should attempt some shenanigans.

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  81. In case it isn’t clear, the first part of her post “I can’t accept you for being transgender…” is supposedly quoting someone, not her own words.

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  83. I also wrote that we can accept people as individuals made in the image of God, for whom Christ died, without accepting everything about that person or everything they do.

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  84. FANTASTIC day today! For those who saw my prayer request at the end of the weekend prayer thread and prayed, thank you so much. I slept great last night — 8 1/2 hours — and woke up to the sun coming up over the hill! Yes, sunshine!

    And stamina? All day! Cleaned the bathroom while breakfast was cooking, got my Bible reading done after breakfast, then dove into my big project. I had divided the project into three parts (mentally) last night, and had planned the biggest part for today.

    Done with that part now, and I feel great! God is so good. “…exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think…” comes to mind.

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  86. Now Jo, I invited you here. I could pull up the purple chair to the wood stove, near where my chair is, and we could chat. Between interruptions, of course. I do have the warmest chair in the house, but it is often visited by small people which is nice.

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  88. 88!

    When I was a child, at one particular church we attended I noticed that when the kids got back from college for the summer, the pastor would welcome them back and then ask one of them to pray. That seemed scary to me, and I was glad it was several years away for me, if I would even get to college.

    Then I realized that it was generally the male students who got asked to pray, and I felt safer.

    I have been asked to pray aloud in church a few times, and would rather not be “put on the spot,” partly because I am a woman. But generally when it is most awkward is when people are giving prayer requests . . . I may be expected to remember requests, which includes remembering who asked for prayer and remembering their name, and remembering their request including (if it was for another person) the name of the person and that person’s relationship to the person asking for prayer. I felt a lot better about asking for a volunteer to pray. And I would sometimes volunteer, especially if it was a request I resonated with.

    I don’t think we can really avoid ever asking someone to pray or read Scripture, though, at least in small-group settings. It isn’t ideal to have one person do all the speaking. It’s best to call on people who feel comfortable doing it, or ask outright for volunteers, but life does contain some things beyond our comfort zone, and this is sometimes one of them. That’s true in the workplace, too.

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  89. Yeah, well, just wait until there are no oranges for you all to buy in the supermarket come summer. Or strawberries.

    We have very delicate citrus trees and fruit patches to worry about when it gets down to 32 (which it is supposed to do on the morning of the ROSE Parade).

    So go ahead. Make fun. It will be time for resolutions soon enough.

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  90. I spent most of today in the Rose Parade float warehouse, interviewing volunteers, taking videos & watching people clip flowers and put glue on leaves. Very cool. (Literally.)

    Boy it’s cold in my house tonight. I’m so tempted to flip on that heater ….

    Achoo!

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  91. My good friend K who leads a Sunday morning women’s Bible study that I attend offers the opening prayer, and includes any requests the group members have. At the conclusion of the day’s study, then we all hold hands (we’re a small enough group, not usually more than ten of us, and are seated at an oval-shaped table) for the final prayers. The first person to the left of K starts, and can either pray (and then squeeze the hand of the person to her left), or simply say nothing and immediately squeeze the next person’s hand. When your right hand is squeezed, it’s your turn to pray or “pass”, indicating you’re “finished” by squeezing your left hand.

    That probably sounds more complicated than it is, but it works fine in practice. No one has to pray out loud if they feel uncomfortable about it, but there’s a nice feeling of unity as sisters in Christ, whether or not one chooses to pray.

    And there is a general chorus of “Amen”s at the conclusion of the prayers, when K, who prays last, says “Amen.”

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  92. When I was a child, generally the children in church attended AWANA or whatever program was held for the children during prayer time. My parents didn’t see any reason children couldn’t participate in prayer time (nor do I), so we attended. One or both parents expressed that we could / should pray aloud occasionally, but need not do so every week. So every few weeks I would pray. I felt like I “should,” but it was hard, and I was relieved afterward not to have to worry about it for a few weeks.

    I honestly think that was good, though, learning to pray aloud in a small group without much pressure to do so. I also realized a few years later that I was nearly always the youngest person, or one of the youngest, in any church’s prayer meeting, and I realized that all those kids who grew up in AWANA never saw prayer meeting as something “for them,” which I did. Not saying anything bad about AWANA; I’m sure it’s a good program. But when you subdivide the church by ages, you risk kids dropping out when they outgrow the program for children or youth.

    In my early 20s I was involved in a college-and-career group for two years–before I went to college–and one of our meeting times was Wednesday night. One Wednesday we weren’t meeting, so I chose to attend prayer meeting instead. If I recall correctly, I only did so one time at that church. Two or maybe three people completely dominated it. Dominated as in one old man prayed for 20 minutes straight and then another one did the same thing. It was at most three people, I think two, and unforgettably interminable. I didn’t know half the people they were praying for, and it was an extremely poor way to conduct a corporate prayer meeting. I assume it was a long-standing way they did it, but I had no interest in going back to find out!

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  94. I haven’t always felt comfortable praying out loud with others (for example, if a Bible study leader asks, “Would anyone like to lead the prayer?”, as in, be the only one to pray, I almost always felt uncomfortable volunteering for that), but, in the format I described above, it felt less threatening to me, and I gradually became at ease praying in front of others in that group.

    I feel like my prayers are less polished than others in our Sunday morning group, but I’m okay with that. I think it will just take time, and if others who do not feel comfortable praying out loud hear me praying my very basic, simple prayers, perhaps they will be encouraged to try it, too.

    It’s not a competition about who can pray the “best” prayers. Sometimes, in our human nature, I think we compare too much, and are more likely to silence ourselves if we feel intimidated about our “skills” in the presence of others whose ability seems to surpass ours.

    Or maybe that’s just me.

    But this group helped me “come out of my shell,” so to speak, and I am grateful for the opportunity to pray out loud now, and almost always do so in that Bible study.

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  95. It’s nice and warm inside…not sitting on the front porch rockers anytime soon…but when those dogs need to go outside we bundle up and are hit with the artic blast….Babe is showing signs of dog dementia…we have to accompany her outdoors now…Fly is a wee thing and her wandering around out there just might temp a coyote to have a snack…so she cannot be left to her own devices outdoors… our dogs…they live with us…indoors 🙂 It is now 2 below…our high tomorrow is to be 1….below….we don’t grow oranges around here…good thing….
    Donna I know our daughter who lives in Pasadena is loving the cooler temps…she misses Colorado…and snow…

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  98. I grow citrus trees in my living room. Lots of limes on the tree right now. And we grow strawberries, outside. And lettuce is growing inside, and spinach. I don’t think we will starve this week. You need to go out there with smudge pots like they do in Florida when the frost comes. Resolution time is almost here. Meantime, I understand it is very cold in Los Angeles in the dog park at night.

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  101. Whew, my 100 didn’t post right away because I was notified I was posting too fast.

    But it all worked out.

    Night night, all. Thanks for the nice setup, Mumsee.

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