45 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 2-24-22

  1. Good evening, Jo. Hope you’re feeling better.

    Good morning, Chas and everyone else.

    From random thoughts in the 3:00 hour this morning emerged this QoD:

    Do the uncurious learn?

    Or, perhaps, I could ask it this way: how important is curiosity to learning?

    Thoughts, anecdotes, tangents all welcome. 🙂

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  2. Good morning, 6 Arrows, Chas, and all.
    Prayers for Jo’s quick recovery.

    Basic learning seems to me to be motivated by a desire to stay alive.

    A love of learning is probably motivated by curiosity about the world mixed with a quest to discover best and most efficient practices to accomplish the desires of one’s heart.

    When we take on employment to earn a living we must learn new tasks in most cases. Curiosity may not be involved. Fear of failure may be the driving force there.

    My two cents, what with inflation is not worth as much as when the cliche was first coined.

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  3. Morning all….it’s -7 and snowing here. Having a moments peace as the dogs are napping…seeing how they have been up since 3:15 this morning. I was not having curious thoughts at that time…I just wanted sleep! 😊

    I think it stands to reason that the curious will perhaps learn more than the un-curious. But then curiosity killed the cat didn’t it? (Walking towards the kitchen for my third cup of coffee!)

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  4. Good morning, Chas.

    Good morning others.

    We are around ten and supposed to feel three but the house is already fifty nine and I have not yet started the fire! We are on a warming trend, only supposed to get down to ten tonight. Spring is in the air.

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  5. OK, 28 and frosty here, but we should get up to a whopping 58ish. The sky is gorgeous blue and other than the chill, should be another lovely day for a walk in the NorCal afternoon.

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  6. Curiosity spurs learning, but sometimes we are forced to learn whether we want to or not. A woman in her late 80’s was just telling me about something she learned to fix, because she needed to do so ASAP. God certainly brings us to places which we resist, and it forces us to learn more about Him, ourselves and sometimes others. Being curious certainly helps in some professions.

    I have watched the evolution of cremation. I remember decades ago when a funeral operator came and spoke on it for our church group. It was not accepted in the Christian church at all, but just starting to be. Now it is more popular than not, I think. My parents were cremated, because that is what they wanted. It was strictly a matter of cost (although they could well afford not doing that) and I believe that is the main issue for most people. Their bodies were interred, however, and there is a gravestone marker. The Catholic Church does insist on that, apparently, but my parents wanted that, as well.

    I do not want to be cremated, nor does my husband. I would not be angry if I were (besides the fact that I am dead!). However, I do not like the trend. For one, it takes death even further from us experiencing it in society. I am not sure that is spiritually healthy. I don’t mean those with a close loved one who dies, but just in everyday life. Second, it just wasn’t the way of the early Christians, but of the pagans. Christians were known for their great respect for the physical body after death. I have never had a problem with God resurrecting anyone regardless of condition of the body, however. I do like the symbolism of returning to the earth.

    I would be curious as to how the little ones think of one over the other or process it. Not that they have anyway of analyzing, but I have had close cousins die five or under and know there were some issues with burial for the siblings. I wonder how talking about the sibling being cremated would compare. I am a curious person. 😉

    It is an individual decision and I understand about not wanting to leave a loved one’s grave behind. I also can understand the cost issue. I would not want an extravagant funeral. I know one person who was buried in a simple pine box. Ethical funeral directors give lots of choices and don’t try to steer you to spending lots of money unnecessarily.

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  7. As far as taxes go, we used to be early. We really wanted to be as early as possible when we had college students and needed to fill out financial forms. Now we wait for financial forms, and they always seem to take forever.

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  8. Kathaleena, I don’t believe they have discussed this with the children. All the small folk know is that he is with Jesus and we will see him later. Another grandson (3) asked who drove him.

    I used to be against cremation on those grounds but have gradually adjusted to “whatever”. My God is big enough. And my environmental side also leans that way after learning while in Germany, they dig them up after twenty or so years and put them in upright burials to make more room. Since we do the formaldehyde thing rather than decomposing quickly it seems we are just making an underground layer of a lot of people.

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  9. I went to the funeral home with a friend about a year ago, and I have to say they were wonderful. We were left on our own to choose the casket; she and I talked it through, she made her choice, they gave her all the prices.

    In this case, her dad died here but had a plot in Pasadena beside her mother–400 miles away. So, she had to pay transport costs as well.

    Fortunately, the funeral home man we worked with had a girlfriend living near Pasadena, he was familiar with the area because one of the “sons of our church,” is a pastor not too far away.

    Her dad’s casket went from here directly to the cemetery, our pastor friend met them and presided over the burial with perfect words.

    God is good. She felt well-loved, and her father honored. He was 90ish.

    I volunteered to go with her, but her husband, of course, went, and there were relatives in SoCal.

    I have to add that when one of my “outlaws” died–a Jewish Holocaust survivor–I was absolutely horrified to learn he was cremated. As, of course, were his parents and sister at Auschwitz.

    While he was dying in the hospital, rabbis were called and they would not talk to the family when they learned the family planned cremation.

    The family had to search far and wide to find a “modern” rabbi who would come.

    That scenario has troubled me ever since.

    I can’t even think about it without picturing the ovens I saw at Auschwitz and Dachau. That may very well be what my personal issue is.

    But again, I support that young family’s choice. I can’t even begin to imagine.

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  10. QoD – If curiosity were not encouraged, we’d still be living in caves, hunting and gathering for survival. Of course, there needs to be wisdom and some knowledge with the curiosity, in order to avoid serious accidents.

    Cremation- I could go either way. It costs less, but then there is the issue of closure. Some people need to see the body in the coffin before burial. When my dad died, he was cremated. I would have liked to see him one more time, but since there were COVID restrictions, we didn’t even have a memorial service, just a graveside when his ashes were interred.

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  11. Nightingale left for work this morning and had forgotten to wake up Boy for school. 😀

    I can laugh at that because when I gave him my usual “Time to finish up getting ready!” yell up the stairs (about ten minutes before he has to leave), he woke up and got himself ready in time.

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  12. I’m uncertain about cremation but at my age I guess I should make up my mind. Cost savings and environmental concerns are pluses, but…

    My mother’s parents were cremated, which horrified my father’s mother. Later when my mother died (relatively young), my father’s mother was afraid she would be cremated like her parents were. My father was not so inclined, though, and bought side-by-side spots for him and mom, much to Grandma’s relief.

    I guess Grandma’s horror made an impression on me, because I’m uncomfortable with cremation, but that’s an emotional thing, not reasoned.

    Scattering the ashes would deprive those left behind of a place to go to “visit” mom or dad. Whenever I’m in California I stop by Forest Lawn to “visit” mom, dad, and dad’s parents. Though of course they’re not really there, so again that’s more an emotional thing than a reasoned one.

    Mrs B and I had never talked about it until recently, and I was surprised to learn that she thinks cremation is best. Her dad was buried whole. Her mom was cremated, and her ashes divided and buried next to her two husbands (she was widowed and remarried).

    Clearly Mrs B and I have some talking to do!

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  13. Thanks for your commentary on curiosity — I was curious what you all might bring up. 🙂

    Cremation: While I still have a child who is a minor, I wouldn’t choose cremation at this time. I think a child would do better getting to see his/her parent’s body after death.

    Two of my friends who died in 2011 had at least one minor child each at the time, and both friends were buried. My friend who died in 2022 had all adult children by that time, and she was cremated. I don’t know why they each chose what they did regarding cremation or burial; my guess is economic considerations played a part with the friend who was cremated.

    All three friends were devoted Christians, but obviously didn’t all make the same choice between burial and cremation. I see it as a matter of Christian liberty.

    I don’t know what my husband’s views are on the matter. He tends to be more traditional on a number of considerations, so my guess is he would be more inclined toward burial than cremation. But I’m not sure.

    One thing that is probably influencing my thinking about children perhaps doing better with having a parent buried rather than cremated is this: I remember having my first miscarriage, and that 2nd Arrow, age nine at the time and devastated about the loss, desperately wanted to see the baby’s body. When I delivered about a week after we’d learned the baby had died, I showed her the amniotic sac, and, though we couldn’t see the baby inside, I could feel where in the sac the baby lay. Second also touched the sac where I indicated the baby was positioned, and once she got to see that and feel the baby, a great measure of healing from her grief began.

    So, being able to see a loved one’s body — or, in 2nd’s case, being able to indirectly touch her little sibling’s body — after death might help with closure for a grieving child.

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  14. Everyone’s different, I suppose, but seeing a body never did much for me other than upset me even more. I can live without that.

    It was still quite chilly out this morning (I avoid saying cold knowing mumsee is listening). But it’s supposed to warm up a bit. I heard that Big Bear got 10-12 inches of snow in the past 1-2 days, which is all good for our overall issues.

    Jo, take care of yourself, hope someone there is checking on your via phone or online. Sleep is probably the best thing you can do right now.

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  15. Actually, cremation makes more sense to me as pointed out in several comments above. But that’s me. I do think it will be the wave going forward, however. There is only so much land for burial sites, it seems.

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  16. I finally got to really look at the books from the gift bag for visitors that I picked up at the new church a couple of Sundays ago. They are compilations of the worship songs and hymns along with things like the Church Covenant, Psalm 119 (which may traditionally be studied each January), and things like that. The book was compiled partly in an effort to make people familiar with the diversity of music in the church so people can familiarize themselves with the words they have not known before. I thought, how refreshing that the senior pastor made the effort to do this with the staff (to whom he gave credit but said that any mistakes were not their mistakes).

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  17. Cremation: don’t people get to see the body prior if they want? I know grandson died at home and they all were there so got to see his body when he was done with it. That is a part of closure but not for everybody. The “finished” bodies at a funeral tend to look rather fake as opposed to an actual dead unprepped body.

    Just finished an old National Geographic on some sisters and brothers in Indonesia who have the tradition of keeping the dead one around for a while. One lady kept her mom in the house over a year. They are formaldhyded so no smell other than that. They often brought the dead out of the tomb, to change their clothes or otherwise freshen them up. Lots of selfies with the dead. They are Christians and believe they are showing respect to the dead.

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  18. Chas says, “It doesn’t matter to me. I will be dead and gone and in a better place and I won’t be worried about what happens to this body.” It’s cold and rainy here today.

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  19. Rather chilly here. The children are out watering the horses as the heater went out in their trough. The ice is pretty thick. Fourteen has to break out the ice for the goats every morning as the rabbits chewed through the power cord. Who let the rabbits out?

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  20. Apologies that what I’m about to write may be more suited for the news/politics thread, but since we have this burial/cremation discussion going on this thread…

    I read an article this week that briefly mentioned that younger adults are often choosing cremation these days. The article wasn’t about that, but was about strange new discoveries by numerous morticians who are largely afraid, for political reasons, of revealing to traditional media sources that they are seeing huge, atypical blood clots in some of the bodies of covid-vaccinated people. The nature of the clots is like nothing they’ve ever seen before the covid shots came out, and appear to be unsurvivable.

    They want to know if this is happening in younger adults, but so many of them are being cremated that they don’t know whether this is happening only with older adults, as they’ve seen, or whether younger vaccinated adults are also dying with these massive clots.

    That seems to me to be a good reason to choose burial rather than cremation (the latter of which I presume doesn’t involve an autopsy?), for family of a person who received covid shots, to be able to get a better idea of whether the deceased had those types of clots.

    ——-

    Ducking and running off to teach non-political piano lessons now…!

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  21. It would be interesting to know which of the vaccines the people had in whom morticians observe clots. I think clotting was specifically an issue with J&J as opposed to the mRNA vaccines.

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  22. Kevin, that’s my understanding — and problems also with the AstraZenica shot more often (which hasn’t really been used in the US?).

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  23. That said, there will be much more information available as time goes on and studies roll out.

    Covid & the efforts to stem the tide and prevent what were a significant number of deaths and long-term health damage, including heart disease, from the virus led to several efforts to contain the damage, most notably the vaccines, in what was a risk/benefit calculation.

    It’s never perfect. Side effects in the prevention and treatment tools will occur in some, though in this case it so far appears it was a small percentage — again, relatively and comparatively speaking.

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  24. So sorry, Mumsee.
    You have been having way too much on your plate lately, but I know you of all people know how to lean into God for comfort, peace, and help in saying the right thing at the right time♡.

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  25. I have heard of people “renting” (I guess that would be the word for it) a coffin for a funeral to display the body, and then having the person cremated after the funeral.

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  26. This is 6 at the studio, on break from piano lessons — my 5:45pm student is vacationing in Florida where it’s probably not snowing like here. 😉

    Here’s a link to the article I referenced at 3:12pm:

    https://amgreatness.com/2022/02/17/funeral-directors-and-embalmers-alarmed-by-weird-freakishly-large-blood-clots-clogging-veins-in-vaccinated-bodies/

    Board-certified funeral directors and embalmers are coming forward to tell tales of horror featuring vaccinated bodies with veins and arteries clogged with strange, rubbery, worm-like clots.

    Richard Hirschman, a funeral director and embalmer from Alabama, with over twenty years of experience in the field, has said in recent interviews that he had never seen anything like it until around the middle of 2021, after the mass injections of the experimental COVID vaccines began. He says his colleagues in the field are seeing the same thing, and the numbers are increasing.

    Earlier this month, Hirschman told Steve Kirsch, the Executive Director of the Vaccine Research Center, that in Jan 2022, 37 out of 57 bodies (65 percent) had these suspicious clots.

    Prior to the vaccines, Hirschman said blood clots in patients who died of COVID were seen, but they appeared to be more typical, and not in the alarming numbers he’s seeing now.

    Since Hirschman has gone public, Cary D. Watkins, a colleague from Alabama with over 50 years experience as a funeral director and embalmer, has come forward to corroborate his story, and Anna Foster, an embalmer from Missouri with 11 years of experience, has revealed in an interview that 93 percent of her last 30 cases died due to unusual clots completely filling their vascular systems.

    Funeral director John O’Looney of Milton Keynes, England, is also blowing the whistle on the alarming increase in number of thrombosis deaths. O’Looney said in an interview that it’s not just “a two or three-fold increase—it’s around a 500 or 600 percent increase,” and nine out of ten of these cases were vaccinated. …

    Hirschman said he’s seen the abnormal blood clots mostly in older people, but pointed out that younger people tend to be cremated these days, so he doesn’t see those cases.

    He also noted that he has only seen the strange clots in one unvaccinated case—in a person who had received a blood transfusion—the implications of which are terrifying. …

    Last month, an Indianapolis-based insurance company CEO announced that the death rate among working-age people in the state had shot up a stunning 40 percent from pre-pandemic levels, providing further evidence that the vaccine mandates are making people ill.

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  27. Kevin, the article I linked above also mentions mRNA, in this way:

    “It pretty much has to be a novel injectable product, first used in 2021 that results in blood clots and is injected into well over 50 percent of the population. There is only one drug that fits that bill: the COVID vaccines,” he wrote on his Substack.

    Since the vast majority of people survive the shots, the question of whether a vaccinated person dies or not is likely a combination of how well they “take up and replicate the mRNA, how dangerous the batch is, and other factors,” Kirsch wrote.

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  28. DJ and I were having a conversation, via Facebook messages, on some different subjects. Her last message said that she saw where Kevin split up from his wife.

    What?!

    I came over to the blog to see what our Kevin might have posted, feeling bad that that may have happened. Nothing like that on here.

    Then I realized that she was referring to an earlier message about having seen part of This Is Us on TV. That Kevin, not our Kevin! Phew!

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  29. Went out for a cold, windswept, slow walk with Tess.

    On our way out, I cut the ties on the support poles for Charlie Brown 1 in the front yard after reading recently that you shouldn’t leave those attached for more than 1-2 years. Oops. I realized it has probably been 4 years, maybe 5. So I’m sure he was happy to be set free and viewed as finally “grown up.”

    Now he’s swaying in the wind a lot more. Hope it didn’t stunt his growth.

    I’ll have to pull the poles out over the weekend.

    I signed a union pledge for work, I’m not really a ‘joiner’ (in an active sense, I have joined the union), but one of the younger reporters had called and this was a very general kind of statement of support they were trying to get from as many employees as they could before bargaining finally begins in March. And, really, the ones coming up behind us really deserve better.

    Just don’t ask me to shout slogans and carry a picket sign.

    I loaded and rolled the trash cans down earlier so that’s done. It was a slower day for me today; after a port meeting this morning I spent most of the afternoon reading through what’s called a ‘negative declaration’ for an oil terminal in the port that’s raised some opposition.

    Honestly, at one point my eyes were just going shut and I thought my head was going to crash right down on the desk, I was so sleepy (and bored).

    But the story doesn’t have to be turned in until Friday afternoon. I’ll have to get energized tomorrow.

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  30. We had one family that did want to see my dad’s body before he was cremated. We did pay extra for that. He was on a table surrounded by flowers according to those who went. I did not. It was a long drive for us, and I did not feel it necessary. They were thrilled by the peaceful look on his face, and it was helpful for them. I have only been upset with seeing one person in a casket. That was my daughter’s boyfriend who was quite banged up in an accident. They just could not fix his face right and it was disturbing. There was no choice for my siblings and I to see my mother before she was cremated, since she was hundreds of miles away.

    I have heard other Jews say that they could never approve of cremation. Too much resemblance to the Holocaust.

    Cremation is a real problem for those rare occasions when an exhumation has to be done to find cause of death.

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  31. Janice: “Interesting to hear all the thoughts on both cremation and curiosity. We are covering the C category today! A lot of alliteration going on in my comment, lol”

    And now I’m finding all sorts of other “C” words scattered throughout this thread, too — covid and cost and comparatively and calculation and…

    We’re on a roll!

    Wrapping up with a comment about curiosity, my most curious student is on Thursdays. She’s twelve years old and started piano last month. Her questions are fascinating! 45-minute lessons with her go by quickly and enjoyably.

    If you wonder what questions she asks, then you are curious. 🙂

    Sorry to give no examples of her questions, but it’s off to bed for me! Another early morning tomorrow. This morning I had an early-early dentist appointment; tomorrow is another early appointment — a medical, pivotal one for 5th Arrow, whom I will be driving there and accompanying. (If we can get up and off our dead-end road. Heavy snowfall is predicted for 11pm to 3am tonight, but all snowfall is to end by 4am, which gives about a 4-hour window for the snowplow to come by before we have to leave in the morning. If the plow doesn’t visit our low-priority road, we’ll see if we can blast on through anyway! At least there won’t be ice [or it’s not predicted, anyway] like we had on Monday. I would LOVE for winter to end very soon!)

    I just heard 3rd Arrow drive up, returning from work. Everyone’s arrived home, so it’s easier for me to go to sleep now in this kinda crummy weather. Thanks for the prayers you have offered up.

    Good night, wanderers.

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