47 thoughts on “News/Politics 9-18-21

  1. So our military killed innocent people and then lied to us about it? No one is being fired? Probably not, b/c this ‘administration’ can’t hold itself accountable for any of the catastrophes it has caused, often intentionally. No accountability whatsoever.

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-military-up-to-10-civilians-killed-in-airstrike-in-kabul_4003272.html

    “As many as 10 civilians were killed in a U.S. airstrike in Kabul, Afghanistan, last month, the U.S. military said Friday.

    Additionally, the strike does not appear to have killed anybody with or linked to the terrorist group ISIS-K, U.S. Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of the U.S. Central Command, told reporters during a press conference.

    The revelations were informed by an investigation directed by McKenzie after the Aug. 29 strike, which was carried out in retaliation for a suicide bombing at the airport in Kabul that killed 13 U.S. service members.

    U.S. military leaders had repeatedly portrayed the strike as a successful attack, even as family members of the deceased insisted there was no connection between them and the ISIS offshoot.

    “At this point, we think that the procedures were correctly followed and it was a righteous strike,” Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in Washington on Sept. 1.

    That stance was shifted on Friday, when McKenzie revealed the results of the probe, which found that as many as 10 civilians, including up to seven children, “were tragically killed in that strike.””

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  2. Let’s see if this image from a Facebook post will post correctly. This is just one of many from hospitals around the country that have been reporting similar stats.

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  3. And this from a doctor:

    “Miller Report for the Week of August 30, 2021; by William Miller, MD; Chief of Staff at Adventist Health Mendocino Coast Hospital

    I was going to address the monoclonal antibody treatment Regeneron this week, which is an exciting new preventative that we are offering to people who qualify based on symptoms and risk factors. However, I feel that will have to wait until next week. There has been a recent rise in conspiracy theories locally that I feel needs to be addressed head on. Namely, that we in public health and hospital health care are somehow hiding evidence, the word “cover up” has been used, about the “truth” regarding admission rates of vaccinated persons to our hospitals. There is no such cover up… here are the facts as of today:

    1. We are now a little over 6 weeks into the recent surge of cases in Mendocino County which began around July 20th, 2021, and really took off about 2 weeks ago. As of today, our county public health officer, Dr. Andy Coren, confirms that of the 1,060 new cases since July 20th, 2021, the start of the current surge, 945 (89%) were in unvaccinated persons and 115 (11%) were vaccinated. This is very consistent with what we are seeing reported in the medical literature for COVID vaccination effectiveness against the Delta variant, namely about 88% effective with 12% still getting infected. Since roughly 2/3 of the population in the county is now fully vaccinated, this is clear evidence that the vaccinations are effective in reducing infection… otherwise, the percentage of new cases would more closely match the vaccination rate and we would see 64% of new cases in vaccinated persons instead of only 11%.

    2. Mendocino County has three hospitals, all three are part of the Adventist Health system which has been hugely beneficial in allowing us to coordinate resources to respond to this situation. Ukiah Valley Medical Center (AHUV) has 50 beds, Howard Memorial in Willits (AHHM) has 25 beds and Mendocino Coast in Ft. Bragg (AHMC) has 25. Since the current surge escalated about 2 weeks ago, we have been holding steady at our capacity with 100 patients in our three facilities along with a small back log of patients awaiting admission to the hospital in our emergency rooms.

    3. COVID cases have been running consistently between 30-33 of those 100 patients. Please note that the Mendocino County stats on COVID admissions posted on the county website includes ONLY those COVID patients actually admitted into the hospital. It does NOT include patients who were seen in ERs and then sent home. So, when we say we have 33 patients admitted with COVID, we mean in a hospital bed. About 1/3 of those are in an ICU and about 1/4 are intubated.

    4. Of the 30-33 COVID patients admitted at any one time, the number who are fully vaccinated has run consistently around 3 to 4 or about 10%. The range has been 8% to 12%. This compares with the state average in California where 9% of all COVID admissions to a hospital are in vaccinated persons while 91% are in unvaccinated persons. Once again, since the percentage of vaccinated persons in Mendocino County is roughly 64% (age 12 years and up) and statewide is 66%, this is incontrovertible evidence that the vaccines are working to reduce the risk of more serious illness and hospitalization.

    5. To look at it another way, we have 49,600 persons vaccinated in Mendocino County. Yet since July 20th, 2021, there have been only 210 vaccinated persons test positive for COVID.

    6. There have been 17 COVID related deaths in our county since July 20th, 2021. Three were in vaccinated persons, each of whom had advanced age (one was 99 years old) and/or serious co-morbidities. Meanwhile, 14 deaths were in unvaccinated people which included several under the age of 50 who had no comorbidities.

    I understand that some folks may not believe in vaccination and may decide not to get vaccinated themselves. While I do not agree with the reasoning behind this, as I strongly believe that the vaccines are both safe and effective, I respect that personal decision. However, it is not helpful to any of us to have people spread false information or fuel false conspiracy theories that we in health care are all somehow in cahoots with… what.. big pharma? the Russians? the Chinese? a secret underground? Honestly, I just worked a very long and difficult night shift because of this pandemic. I desire nothing more than seeing this thing come to an end. There is no benefit to any of us, especially front-line workers like myself, to covering up the facts. If we have not been more forth coming with the numbers, and I think we have been transparent, then I apologize. It is because we are busy trying to put out the fires and perhaps haven’t had the time to rebuttal every conspiracy theory that pops up on social media.

    My ask to all of us is, continue to treat each other with respect and understand that this is a real challenge and that we will prevail, I am certain of that. How many lives are lost in the process, however, depends on whether we stick to the facts or get sidetracked in self-indulgent conspiracy theories that only serve to undermine the sincere efforts of public health officials and health care workers.”

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  4. Talk about conspiracy theories? Can someone explain why this administration demands vaccines/masks/testing mandates yet this is happening? You can bet your bottom dollar there are no vaccines/masks/testing going on here…but don’t pay attention to the man behind the curtain…let’s just not pay attention at all…it’s all going to be ok…so says Biden’s handlers I suppose.

    WASHINGTON, D.C. – On Friday, U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) sent a letter to Troy Miller, acting commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Stephen Dickson, administrator of Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), regarding FAA’s issuance of a two-week temporary flight restriction (TFR) in the area surrounding the U.S.-Mexico border at Del Rio, Texas.

    “Drones have been a vital tool for news media to tell the complete story of the unmitigated crisis at the border,” the senator wrote.

    “Border apprehensions have averaged more than 6,700 per day in July and August. Border Patrol sectors across the country are overwhelmed with the volume of migrants crossing our border. The American public have a right to know the crisis that is happening on our borders, and the suppression of the media’s ability to tell that story is deeply troubling.”

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  5. Kizzie,

    I love how your doctor above laments and whines about it being politicized, and then does the same.

    Also he whines about his late night shifts, yet supports mandates that allow for the firing the nurses who worked those shifts side by side with him.

    But now they’re not good enough because they didn’t get the jab?

    He does nice graphics from the state of Indiana on Facebook, but where’s his links to hospital data to back his assertions?

    No. Where. To. Be. Found.

    No thanks. He’s part of the problem and offered no real solutions.

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  6. Meanwhile, from a real doctor and not a Facebook post that totally left out these folks, as if they don’t exist in the equation…..

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    So you see why I could care less about what some “doctor” said on Facebook, right?

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  8. What a joke and waste of taxpayer money, all because they’re a bunch of cowards afraid of protesting GrandMa’s and some idiot with a Viking hat.

    This was always just a show.

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    Idiots.

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  9. AJ – The post from the doctor did not touch on natural immunity in any way, nor did he comment on the mandate for medical staff. The other links I posted are not from him, but from other sources.

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  10. One of the links was from Atrium Health, which I think is in North Carolina, and the other was from the Indiana Dept. of Health.

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  11. Good clarifications, kizzie. Thanks.

    I like Dr. Makary – and the information about the strength of natural immunity is helpful to have and is good knowledge to build on. The more we know the better.

    And for those who choose not to roll the dice with the disease — or for whom it would be a serious and even life-threatening risk medically, whether they’d even know that or not — there is the vaccine.

    Why has all of this caused so much arguing? It all seems pretty straight forward to me.

    I like Kizzie’s posts, they’re meant to bring light (take it or leave it), not heat, to the subject.

    Finally, all of us are grateful (I presume?) that we’re not dealing with disease as they had to in the Dark Ages, right? We have a growing body of knowledge and tools here in our more developed nations. It could be a whole lot worse (and is for many in the world — who still need supplies, better treatments and vaccines which they’d be glad to receive).

    Just my 2 cents.

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  12. I suspect, just like protests and rallies have the potential Antifa to stir things up, the internet has its own brand of that. And we have become somewhat lazy in our researching and tend to take bites of info rather than reading it through and understanding what is being said. Those Antifa types do not hesitate to take advantage of the confusion.

    Similar to what happened in a garden once, a long time ago. People knew what was what, but somebody whispered a little partial truth in their ears…..

    At the same time, it is totally okay to have different views on most things. I don’t think most people on either side want to see the destruction of America, though there are a few on both sides. But they have differing ideas of how to succeed. I may look at some and think it is foolish and childish thinking but it is still their thinking. How to fix it? Education. But real education, not what is passed off as education.

    But even with that, sin is there. Waiting at the door to devour.

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  13. True, mumsee. And yes, social media, for all its benefits, hasn’t served us well when it comes to public discourse and understanding — and even just to develop the skill of listening to other views rather than to reacting immediately to something you don’t like, true or not.

    I do think CNN was disappointed at the weak showing today at the Capitol. They finally broke away to show film clips of the much livelier event from Jan. 6. Again.

    But no surprise really, you had to know there would be way more police and press than participants who seemed to have stayed away in droves.

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  14. So explain to me why natural immunity isn’t being calculated in immunity qualifications? I’m guessing it has to do with verification issues?

    Guess I’ll go look that up.

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  15. From Dr. Makary in the WSJ …

    ~ … Only around 10% of Americans have had confirmed positive Covid tests, but four to six times as many have likely had the infection. … ~ …

    Found another article on NPR that talks about antibody tests but those appear to be not definitive always (which refers more to antibodies from vaccination, but would probably also apply to antibodies acquired from a case of Covid?)

    ~ But scientists in the field say there’s still considerable uncertainty about what these levels of detectable antibodies really mean when it comes to protection. And a lack of standardization among the commercially available tests for antibodies makes it even harder to decipher the results.

    “There is no test that will give you that [degree of certainty] at this point,” says Gigi Gronvall, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security who has studied serology testing and COVID-19. “There are tests that would show that you’ve been vaccinated or not, but is that going to be the kind of information you need?”

    Maybe not, she suggests. Why? Antibody tests only give one view into the body’s collection of defenses against the coronavirus. In fact, it’s just a subset of antibodies, made in response to the virus or a shot of the vaccine, that neutralize the spike protein on the virus. The spike protein is what enables the coronavirus to break into cells and replicate.

    There are tests that would show that you’ve been vaccinated or not, but is that going to be the kind of information you need?

    “We have a mix of antibodies. Some of them are very good and protective. Some are not as protective,” and each person will have their own mix of these different types of antibodies, says Ali Ellebedy, an immunologist at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis who’s studying the antibody response to the coronavirus. …

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    Proof of vaccine is probably the most sure way to confirm some protection right now?

    I don’t think natural immunity is being ignored or not given any credit; it seems like it just hasn’t been documented completely enough yet — and there may still not be a way to get a “hard copy” proof of any kind — to provide what a vaccination card does, at least for now.

    But I may be missing something.

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  16. The other way is a confirmed positive Covid test received at the time of infection, but as the one article mentioned, most folks don’t have that.

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  17. So a question….

    Is it the vaccinated who are causing the majority of new infections due to shedding abnormally high amounts of the virus after vaccination?

    It appears so.

    But by all means, keep blaming everyone else because the vaccine you bet on isn’t working as advertised.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/evidence-mounts-that-people-with-breakthrough-infections-can-spread-delta-easily

    “Evidence mounts that people with breakthrough infections can spread Delta easily

    A new study finds that this dominant variant can grow in the noses of vaccinated people as strongly as in unvaccinated people.”

    “A preliminary study has shown that in the case of a breakthrough infection, the Delta variant is able to grow in the noses of vaccinated people to the same degree as if they were not vaccinated at all. The virus that grows is just as infectious as that in unvaccinated people, meaning vaccinated people can transmit the virus and infect others.

    Previous studies in hospitals in India; Provincetown, Massachusetts; and Finland have also shown that after vaccine breakthrough infections with Delta, there can be high levels of virus in people’s nose whether they are vaccinated or not. The next logical step was to determine whether vaccinated people could shed infectious virus. Many experts suspected they did, but until this study it hadn’t been proven in the lab.

    “We’re the first to demonstrate, as far as I’m aware, that infectious virus can be cultured from the fully vaccinated infections,” says Kasen Riemersma, a virologist at University of Wisconsin who is one of the authors of the study.”

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    Just stop with blaming the unvaccinated for every outbreak. The vaccine does nothing for the Delta variant, right now the dominant variant, and can easily be spread by the vaccinated too.

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  18. Did anyone stop to think that maybe the vaccine is worsening the outbreaks, and that it is in fact the vaccinated who are a danger to the unvaccinated?

    Maybe some should consider it and stop blaming others.

    If you’re so desperate to blame someone, blame Fauci and China. They’re responsible for all of this. Everyone else here is just a victim of their stupidity, just as much as you are.

    https://news.yahoo.com/delta-infections-among-vaccinated-likely-192553854.html

    “(Reuters) – The following is a roundup of some of the latest scientific studies on the novel coronavirus and efforts to find treatments and vaccines for COVID-19.

    Delta breakthrough infections likely contagious

    Among people infected by the Delta variant of the coronavirus, fully vaccinated people with “breakthrough” infections may be just as likely as unvaccinated people to spread the virus to others, new research suggests. The higher the amount of coronavirus in the nose and throat, the more likely the patient will infect others. In one Wisconsin county, after Delta became predominant, researchers analyzed viral loads on nose-and-throat swab samples obtained when patients were first diagnosed. They found similar viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated patients, with levels often high enough to allow shedding of infectious virus. “A key assumption” underlying current regulations aimed at slowing COVID-19 transmission “is that those who are vaccinated are at very low risk of spreading the virus to others,” said study coauthor Katarina Grande of Public Health Madison & Dane County in Madison, Wisconsin. The findings, however, indicate “that vaccinated people should take steps to prevent the spread of the COVID-19 virus to others,” she added. In a separate study from Singapore, researchers found that while Delta viral loads were similar in vaccinated and unvaccinated patients, the viral loads decreased faster in the vaccinated group. The Wisconsin https://bit.ly/2TRHvnu and Singapore https://bit.ly/3yk70MZ studies were both posted on Saturday on medRxiv ahead of peer review.

    Lambda variant shows vaccine resistance

    The Lambda variant of the coronavirus, first identified in Peru and now spreading in South America, is highly infectious and more resistant to vaccines than the original version of the virus the emerged from Wuhan, China, Japanese researchers have found. In laboratory experiments, they found that three mutations in Lambda’s spike protein, known as RSYLTPGD246-253N, 260 L452Q and F490S, help it resist neutralization by vaccine-induced antibodies. Two additional mutations, T76I and L452Q, help make Lambda highly infectious, they found. In a paper posted on Wednesday on bioRxiv https://bit.ly/3fpi5Fn ahead of peer review, the researchers warn that with Lambda being labeled a “Variant of Interest” by the World Health Organization, rather than a “Variant of Concern,” people might not realize it is a serious ongoing threat. Although it is not clear yet whether this variant is more dangerous than the Delta now threatening populations in many countries, senior researcher Kei Sato of the University of Tokyo believes “Lambda can be a potential threat to the human society.” “

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  19. AJ – At the end of one of your posts, you write:

    “Just stop with blaming the unvaccinated for every outbreak. The vaccine does nothing for the Delta variant, right now the dominant variant, and can easily be spread by the vaccinated too.”

    And in the next post, you write:

    “If you’re so desperate to blame someone, blame Fauci and China. They’re responsible for all of this. Everyone else here is just a victim of their stupidity, just as much as you are.”

    Who is the “you” that you are referring to? One of us, such as DJ or me? If so, let me assure you that I don’t think that any of us have been blaming the unvaccinated for anything. I can’t speak for anyone else, but my posts have merely been trying to share stats about its effectiveness. I am not blaming anyone for anything.

    (If any of the links or quotes have cast blame, that was unintentional on my part.)

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  20. Well, now there’s a ‘theory.’ 🙂

    I’m out for the night with that one.

    (And I really would like an explanation on what’s meant by natural immunity being “ignored” — I guess I’m not clear and probably need more info on what’s meant by that. Thanks –

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  21. Actually the vaccine IS protective against the Delta variant. Viruses do what they do, the mutate and change and they survive for as long as they can. That’s long been the established behavior of all of these viruses.

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  22. As for Lambda (and Mu), yep, those could pose stronger challenges. Some think that delta’s dominance has kept those at bay, however … and immunity is growing, between vaccinations and natural immunity (since so many folks have caught Delta).

    Not sure I even get your point, you do seem to like arguing however.

    Afraid I’m worn out by all that that.

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  23. To go along with what DJ said, the doctor I quoted earlier wrote:

    “This is very consistent with what we are seeing reported in the medical literature for COVID vaccination effectiveness against the Delta variant, namely about 88% effective with 12% still getting infected. Since roughly 2/3 of the population in the county is now fully vaccinated, this is clear evidence that the vaccinations are effective in reducing infection… otherwise, the percentage of new cases would more closely match the vaccination rate and we would see 64% of new cases in vaccinated persons instead of only 11%.”

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  24. The real, I had it explained to me, don’t recall who did the explaining, when I asked if the vaccinations were pushing the new strains: the vaccine was developed for Alpha and Beta but delta and lambda and mu developed in countries that were not yet vaccinated so it is very unlikely. The time line does not allow for it. I still wonder but it makes sense.

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  25. Gosh sometimes I find myself thinking this government and it’s cohort the media is spreading so much misinformation that they want us divided..imagine that!
    As I have read and observed some do suggest the vaccinated can carry the virus therefore we must wear masks to protect the unvaccinated.
    Then there is that thing about those with natural immunity which means “nothing”?……for they too must be vaccinated….and I still wonder why no one trusts…no one…Lord help us 😞

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  26. You know something is very wrong when health care workers – even at the risk of their jobs – refuse to take the experimental injections. They have seen the truth with their own eyes…

    Let’s figure this out: we must protect the protected from the unprotected, by forcing the unprotected to get the protection that didn’t actually protect the protected?

    Don’t listen to them…

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/125-staff-part-ways-with-indianas-biggest-hospital-system-after-refusing-vaccine_4003886.html

    “Indiana University Health, the biggest hospital system in the state, has announced that 125 staff members are no longer employed there after refusing to comply with the organization’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate.

    “Indiana University Health has put the safety and well-being of patients and team members first by requiring employees to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 by Sept. 1,” IU Health said in a Sept. 16 statement. “After a two-week unpaid suspension period ending Sept. 14, a total of 125 employees, the equivalent of 61 full-time employees, chose not to receive the COVID-19 vaccine and have left the organization.””

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  27. That’s it DJ,

    Ignore the “science” you disagree with.

    But keep blaming those who disagree with you, by all means.

    Kizzie,

    I’m speaking to the Covid scolds.

    Who they are has been obvious. See above.

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  29. So discreet….

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  30. Tychicus – It is not that the vaccinated want or need to be protected from the unvaccinated, but that we care about the unvaccinated and want them to also be protected. And yes, the vaccine does protect from the worst of the virus, like my seatbelt analogy on the daily thread.

    Seatbelts do not guarantee that a person will not be injured, even perhaps seriously if the accident is bad enough. But in the same kind of accident, the person wearing a seatbelt is going to be much better off than the person not wearing one, even if they also end up injured.

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  31. The experimental injections aren’t even vaccines in the medical and legal definition of a vaccine. According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a vaccine is “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.” Immunity, in turn, is defined as “protection from an infectious disease,” meaning that “If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.” If a ‘vaccine’ cannot provide sterile immunity to the target pathogen, how then can it actually be called a vaccine? When did the term ‘vaccine’ lose its meaning and become whatever a manufacturer/government declares it to be? As noted by David Martin, Ph.D., “The legal ramifications of this deception are immense.” These experimental injections should therefore NEVER be ‘mandated’.

    Possible lessening of the severity of symptoms can hardly be classified as a “protective vaccine.” The experimental injections certainly don’t prevent infection or transmission. In fact, they make transmission more likely and we now have asymptomatic spreaders. And how do you explain that the most vaccinated countries in the world also have the highest rates of infection?

    Unvaccinated people without COVID do not spread the virus because they are not infected; unvaccinated people who have had COVID are more likely to get tested than vaccinated folks and, if they get infected, are more likely to stay home than vaccinated people; so, they actually spread less than vaccinated folks. Therefore, the vaccinated people actually constitute the greatest risk to everyone and are most likely to act as super spreaders. The epidemic is actually the vaccinated spreading to the unvaccinated.

    Still not much has been said about the 120+ million who have already recovered from COVID. They have immunity that’s far superior to vaccination. Should they be ‘mandated’ to take the experimental injections? If so, then this clearly isn’t about immunity, is it?

    What about the under-18 demographic? They have an infection survival rate that’s within 1/1000th of 1% of what the vaccinated supposedly have… should they be ‘mandated’ to take the experimental injections? What’s the actual argument?

    What about others who are perfectly happy with a 99.95+% survival profile? If the experimental injections work (which they don’t), then concerned folks can protect themselves. What’s the argument for forcing 9,995 out of 10,000 who don’t actually need it? What’s the argument for forcing even ONE person against their will? Who has that right?

    More people have already died from “COVID vaccines” in the last eight months than all other vaccines combined over the last 30 years. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of adverse reactions. Why are they even on the market? What is really going on? (You should already know some of the answers to these questions by now…)

    If you are concerned about protection, then why don’t you promote the safe and effective therapies that have already been around for decades? And natural immunity?

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  32. Pretty low turnout yesterday. Maybe there aren’t “that many” folks who share those views?

    AJ, I’m not “blaming” anyone.

    All of this “twitter” anger and outrage is simply exhausting, not to mention spiritually very unhealthy. Seriously, it can lead to many spiritual dangers (and clearly already has).

    Maybe a good time to take a break, everyone?

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  33. And was I called “a scold”?

    Or did I misread what seemed like a serious (and offensive) slip down into actual name-calling here?

    There’s a way to discuss issues seriously and respectfully without the personal attacks. I don’t see it used here often enough. It would be refreshing — and would better reflect our mutually professed faith.

    Countless Scripture verses apply.

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  34. Kizzie I have heard the seat belt analogy used multiple times from those who hold fast to the mandated vaccines edict. It just falls short with me. Using a device to keep one safe while in a car is far different from mandating someone inject an unknown (to them) substance into their body. Some are demanding an injection into every l e g a l citizen of this country…no objectors allowed. A person can get into a car and choose not to put on the device even though that would not be legal…but that would be their choice.

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  35. NancyJill – I have not come out in favor of mandates, I am merely encouraging the use of the vaccine. Unfortunately, since the mandate issue has come up, many people assume that people who are pro-vaccine are pro-mandate as well. I’ve seen that at least a couple times today on Facebook.

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