56 thoughts on “News/Politics 11-7-20

  1. In a word….

    Both.

    https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/11/06/2020-polling-part-2-incompetence-partisanship-pollsters-need-explain-failure/

    “2020 Polling Part 2: Incompetence Or Partisanship? Pollsters Need To Explain Their Failure…Again”

    “If you missed part 1, in which I highlighted some of the worst polling we saw in 2020, it’s here.

    Now let’s move on to something which I don’t think is terribly controversial at this point. Having done this 2 elections in a row, the media’s credibility is pretty well shot. You don’t have to take my word for it. Plenty of observers on the left are saying it right now. Writing at the Atlantic, David Graham has a piece whose headline calls it a catastrophe for American democracy:

    This is a disaster for the polling industry and for media outlets and analysts that package and interpret the polls for public consumption, such as FiveThirtyEight, The New York Times’ Upshot, and The Economist’s election unit. They now face serious existential questions. But the greatest problem posed by the polling crisis is not in the presidential election, where the snapshots provided by polling are ultimately measured against an actual tally of votes: As the political cliché goes, the only poll that matters is on Election Day. The real catastrophe is that the failure of the polls leaves Americans with no reliable way to understand what we as a people think outside of elections—which in turn threatens our ability to make choices, or to cohere as a nation.

    In short, there’s no reason anyone should trust the polls or the media that relies on them at this point. NPR’s media analyst David Folkenflik reached a similar conclusion:

    Hard not to conclude that it’s another black eye for polling and for the news organizations that rely on them. And why do I say that? Well, most of these polls, you read them in newspapers, you see them on TV, you might hear them on our network. They have media branding on them, even those done by colleges or private firms. The polls and the medias are intertwined on this stuff. So when you see a lot of wrong results, that reflects on us, too, regardless of whether Biden or Trump ultimately wins. And it looks like Biden – things are going in his direction. That huge blue wave, I don’t think we’re seeing it. The Dems were projected pick up seats in the House. They’re losing seats in the House…

    People thought 2016 was a hot mess, and this may end up being worse for polling.

    I like the bit about polls and the media being intertwined. Another way to put it is that pollsters produce a product and the media distributes that product. In fact, in many cases, the media is directly funding the product.”

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    And that media is biased and incompetent.

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  2. Republican’s ran up the wins.

    And yet another reason their presidential results don’t ring true.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/11/a-decade-of-power-gop-racks-up-state-legislative-wins-ahead-of-redistricting/

    “‘A Decade of Power’: GOP Racks Up State Legislative Wins Ahead of Redistricting

    “It was a huge night for state Republicans”

    “Over at the Federalist, Joy Pullmann asks, “We’re Supposed To Believe The GOP Had A Great Election Night Except For President?“. It’s a good question because the Democrats expected a “blue wave” repudiation not only of President Trump but of the entire Republican party all the way down the ticket. It didn’t happen, and it didn’t happen bigly.

    Indeed, the GOP made unexpectedly large gains in the House, so much so that there’s speculation they are within range of obtaining the majority there. While I’m not sure that is likely, the actual gains so far for Republicans in the House were replicated at the state level as well.

    The gains were so notable that they prompted a Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee spokeswoman to observe: “It’s clear that Trump isn’t an anchor for the Republican legislative candidates. He’s a buoy. He overperformed media expectations, Democratic and Republican expectations, and lifted legislative candidates with him.”

    The GOP’s state legislative branch gains are going to have a huge impact on redistricting for the next decade or so.

    The New York Times bemoans the loss for their side (archive link):

    Democrats had hoped for a “Blue Wave” to sweep statehouses that Republicans had controlled for years, running expensive ad campaigns and extensive get-out-the-vote efforts. But as the results came in, it became increasingly clear that they had failed on multiple fronts.

    . . . . Democrats failed to take control of the Texas House from Republicans, a prize that had seemed within reach. They also lost the battle for North Carolina’s House and Senate, chambers they had set their sights on after years of Republican control. And they failed to flip the Iowa House, according to the N.C.S.L. Democrats also failed to flip the Houses in Pennsylvania and Michigan, Mr. Storey said.

    “Our electoral targets in this election were in difficult states that remain gerrymandered from a decade ago,” said Patrick Rodenbush, communications director for the National Democratic Redistricting Committee. “It was always going to take a ‘blue wave’ for us to get deeper into the map in states like Texas and North Carolina, and that didn’t happen for Democrats.”

    . . . . Statehouses are important because they are the places where issues like abortion, guns and police reform get decided. They are particularly critical this year because of a process known as redistricting: the redrawing of state and national electoral maps after the decennial census. While some states use nonpartisan or bipartisan commissions to draw these maps, the process in most states is controlled by the majority party in the state legislature. The most recent census is being finalized, and data will be sent to the states for redistricting beginning next year.

    Republicans still have a distinct advantage since winning two dozen chambers in the 2010 election cycle, double the average number of chambers that flip every two years, according to Mr. Storey. Before Tuesday’s election, Republicans controlled about three-fifths of all 98 partisan legislative chambers. If no other chambers flip as new results come in, that Republican dominance will not change.

    “It was a huge night for state Republicans,” said David Abrams, deputy executive director of the Republican State Leadership Committee, which focuses on electing Republicans to state offices. “Democrats spent hundreds of millions of dollars to flip state chambers. So far, they don’t have a damn thing to show for it.”

    Politico has more (archive link) in their article entitled, “‘A decade of power’: Statehouse wins position GOP to dominate redistricting””

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  3. Software doesn’t ‘glitch’ – it only does what is coded.

    Which means that direction was given to human programmers by human managers to have the software behave in that way.

    Such managers are now trying to cover their you-know-what, but there is definitely election fraud in Michigan (among other places).

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  4. The fraud just keeps coming.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/nevada-gop-sends-criminal-referral-to-barr-alleging-thousands-of-cases-of-voter-fraud

    “Nevada GOP Sends Criminal Referral To Barr Alleging Thousands Of Cases Of Voter Fraud”

    “The Nevada Republican Party sent a criminal referral to the Department of Justice on Thursday alleging thousands of examples of voter fraud.

    “Our lawyers just sent a criminal referral to AG Barr regarding at least 3,062 instances of voter fraud,” the Nevada Republican Party said in a statement. “We expect that number to grow substantially. Thousands of individuals have been identified who appear to have violated the law by casting ballots after they moved from NV.”

    Fox News reported that a Justice Department spokesperson confirmed to the network that the criminal referral was received and that “attorneys will follow the standard practice of investigating.””

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  5. The courts are involved in PA.

    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/amistad-pennsylvania-judge-orders-secretary-of-state-to-segregate-ballots-statewide-301168059.html

    “Amistad: Pennsylvania Judge Orders Secretary of State to Segregate Ballots Statewide
    Up to 16 days allowed for the proper assessment of provisional ballots”

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    Including the Supreme Court.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-supreme-court-orders-pennsylvania-ballots-received-after-election-day-be-segregated-report-says

    “Supreme Court Orders Pennsylvania Ballots Received After Election Day Be Segregated”

    “The United States Supreme Court issued an order late on Friday evening directing that the ballots received in Pennsylvania after Election Day must be segregated from the rest of the ballots and secured — and if counted, counted separately.

    “All county boards of election are hereby ordered, pending further order of the Court, to comply with the following guidance provided by the Secretary of the Commonwealth on October 28 and November 1, namely, (1) that all ballots received by mail after 8:00 p.m. on November 3 be segregated and kept ‘in a secure, safe and sealed container separate from other voted ballots,’ and (2) that all such ballots, if counted, be counted separately,” Associate Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito wrote in the Order. “Pa. Dep’t of State, Pennsylvania Guidance for Mail-in and Absentee Ballots Received From the United States Postal Service After 8:00 p.m. on Tuesday, November 3, 2020 (Oct. 28, 2020); Pa. Dep’t of State, Canvassing Segregated Mail-in and Civilian Absentee Ballots Received by Mail After 8:00 p .m. on Tuesday, November 3, 2020 and Before 5:00 p .m. on Friday, November 6, 2020 (Nov. 1, 2020).”

    “Until today, this Court was not informed that the guidance issued on October 28, which had an important bearing on the question whether to order special treatment of the ballots in question, had been modified,” the Order continued. “The application received today also informs the Court that neither the applicant nor the Secretary has been able to verify that all boards are complying with the Secretary’s guidance, which, it is alleged, is not legally binding on them. I am immediately referring this application to the Conference and direct that any response be filed as soon as possible but in any event no later than 2 p.m. tomorrow, November 7, 2020.””

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    Now start subtracting all those Biden votes you added in violation of the first order. What happens?

    Trump’s back in the lead when late ballots aren’t included too.

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  6. There should be no ballots after closing on election day.
    Everyone had months to get a ballot in. I voted a month ahead of the election.
    Not a single vote should be taken after the polols close.

    I see where Trump is challenging the outcome. We know the Bidens are crooks, but I doubt that it will affect the election.
    But Hunter Biden will sell America to China.

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  7. More on the supposed ‘glitch’… LT. Gen Thomas McInerney, US Air Force (Retired), explains here about the software program built by Dennis Montgomery through NASA and the CIA that started as a program called HAMMER. The Obama admin took this system and put in an application called SCORECARD, which is ‘cyber warfare’ that changes votes at a certain point in the voting stream (it switches 3% of the vote). It was used in the 2012 election in Florida, and also in the Dem primaries when Bernie Sanders ‘lost’ to Biden.

    Referring to election night, McInerney says, “It’s going to look good for Pres. Trump, but they’re going to change it. That’s the danger that America and everybody must realize.”

    Yet another reason why Biden, who previously urged patience for the counting process to play out, has now quickly declared victory today. However, all the fraud and corruption will be revealed…

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  8. A Successful Presidency, a Maddening President
    By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
    November 7, 2020 11:30 AM

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/a-successful-presidency-a-maddening-president/amp/
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    President Trump did many good things. But he never recognized the majesty of the presidency as something to rise to.

    President Trump is projected to lose a close election.

    This being modern America, nothing is final until the courts have spoken (particularly the Supreme Court, which has been too timid to say much). That process must be allowed to play out. To my knowledge, there is no hard evidence at this point of anything so monumental that it could change the result, but disturbing anecdotal reports merit investigation. And Biden’s margin of victory is so razor-thin in some states that recounts may be warranted if the president chooses to press the matter.

    Undoubtedly, post-election litigation would be pursued if the shoe were on the other foot. Democrats, after all, went straight to the litigation mat when they lost a close one in 2000, even though Al Gore had been on the cusp of conceding. And “the Resistance” spent three years not accepting the outcome of the 2016 election, on the basis of a bogus “Russia collusion” narrative ginned up by the Clinton campaign. In this era, we take matters far less consequential than the election of our president to court. I’m not suggesting that this is a good thing, I’m simply stating a fact.

    Let’s take a deep breath and let matters play out. There is no crisis of the regime. Joe Biden is presumptively President-elect Biden. He will be my president and the president of all Americans — even as many of us vigorously oppose much of what he wants to do, as we surely will. He should get the chance to be a good president that Democrats never gave Donald Trump. For Biden’s sake, and especially for the country’s, the departments and agencies of government should prepare for a smooth transition of power. …

    … For those who supported the president’s reelection (including me), the result is hard to swallow. It was not, however, hard to see coming. …

    … The right way to look at Trump’s unlikeliest of triumphs was as a gift . . . and an opportunity. It was a chance to appeal to Republican skeptics and the vast middle, to do the hard work of changing a 46–54 deficit into 54–46 support, and beyond. Trump had the policies to do that, along with a unique way of appealing to voting blocs who’d tuned out traditional Republicans.

    Yet the president could never get over himself. …

    … An unpopular president’s surest first step to becoming a reelected president is the realization that he has a lot of work to do with the public, especially with convince-ables willing to give him a chance – which is a lot of people, because most Americans are not hardcore partisans; they like to like their president. Such self-awareness spurred Richard Nixon to reelection in one of American history’s biggest actual landslide victories — in the Electoral College and by every other measure.

    Donald Trump never could go there. He was under siege more than he deserved to be, but he brought a great deal of it on himself by gratuitously punching down at non-entities he should have ignored. Just as important, when troubles came, and they came in waves, he would recede into the comfort of his adoring base. They made excuses for his every foible, spun his errors as the shrewd maneuvering of a master businessman, and never demanded that he clean up his act. To the contrary, they found the act irresistible, just as he found his place at the center of the world’s attention irresistible — whether commanding attention for good or bad reasons. …

    … President Trump did many good things. The constitutionalist overhaul of the federal judiciary will be his great legacy, especially if a President Biden revives Obama-era “pen and phone” governance. …

    … Still, how maddening that he never recognized the majesty of the presidency, befitting its awesome duties, as something to rise to, as something worth striving to be worthy of. He never seemed to grasp that the great power of the presidency is that when the president speaks, it means something — and that forfeiting this power is ruinous. He never seemed to understand that, in a country where we like to like our president, when your policies are more popular than you are, you’ve got a problem. …

    … Donald Trump’s nemesis wasn’t Joe Biden. It was Donald Trump.
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  9. I think I’m seeing (from some street gatherings on TV) that some of the former anti-trump crowd seem to have passed on to Republicans their “RESIST” signs lol

    The tale of two elections

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  10. President-elect Biden? Twenty years ago the media declared Al Gore to be president-elect – how did that work out for him? The sitting president hasn’t conceded, and he has lodged valid and legitimate legal challenges in various states. So right now, with no concession and with court cases pending, who has actually decided the election outcome?

    The states haven’t certified who the winner is, and the media doesn’t have the authority to do so.
    Did something suddenly happen that replaced the Electoral College with media organizations?
    The msm won’t even report on election anomalies and irregularities – can they really be considered media anymore?.

    Voter fraud is one of the worse things ever. From all the circumstantial evidence, it’s clear that there has been a coordinated system of cheating. President Trump is actually OBLIGED to determine what actually happened, and prosecute those who are responsible. We MUST expose and prevent such fraud and corruption – if we don’t, then every future election will be corrupted, and we will no longer have a Republic.

    As Hershel Walker says, “To be the man, you gotta beat the man, not CHEAT the man!”

    Stay tuned…

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  11. Nope, no fraud here….

    https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-11-07-wisconsin-clerks-may-have-unlawfully-altered-thousands-of-absentee-ballots/

    “Wisconsin Clerks May Have Unlawfully Altered Thousands of Absentee Ballots”

    “County and municipal clerks and poll workers across Wisconsin may have unlawfully altered witness statements on thousands of mail-in ballots across the state, “The Dan O’Donnell Show” has learned.

    Wisconsin Statute 6.86 provides that an absentee ballot must be signed by a witness, who is also required to list his or her address. If a witness address is not listed, then the ballot is considered invalid and must be returned to the voter to have the witness correct.

    Instead, multiple sources tell “The Dan O’Donnell Show,” municipal clerks and vote counters across the state simply filled out witness signatures themselves. Acting on false and unlawful advice from the Wisconsin Elections Commission (WEC), these clerks may have inadvertently invalidated thousands of absentee votes.

    “The statute is very, very clear,” said retired Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Michael Gableman, who worked as a poll watcher in Milwaukee on Election Day. “If an absentee ballot does not have a witness address on it, it’s not valid. That ballot is not valid.”

    The WEC sent uniform instructions to voters with their mail-in ballots that informed them that “your witness must sign and provide their full address (street number, street name, city) in the Certification of Witness section” and warned that “if any of the required information above is missing, your ballot will not be counted.”

    However, on October 19th, the WEC sent instructions to clerks that they can simply fill in the witness address themselves so that the ballot would not be invalidated.

    “Please note that the clerk should attempt to resolve any missing witness address information prior to Election Day if possible, and this can be done through reliable information (personal knowledge, voter registration information, through a phone call with the voter or witness),” WEC wrote. “The witness does not need to appear to add a missing address.”

    “In defiance of and direct contradiction to the statute, the Wisconsin Elections Commission gave guidance–that is, cover–to all 72 county clerks and turned the statute on his head,” Gableman said. “They said, ‘Gee, we know the law says an absentee ballot without the witness address is not valid, but county clerk, you have a duty to go ahead and look up on your own the witness’ address if there’s no address on the absentee ballot.”

    Anticipating a legal challenge to this seemingly highly unlawful advice, the WEC instructed clerks to write in these witness addresses in red pen so that they would be easy to find during a recount or audit of the vote.

    The Republican Party of Wisconsin estimates that thousands of witness addresses may have been changed, thus invalidating the ballots on which they appeared. The statutory remedy for this is to subtract a commensurate number of votes for the candidates for whom those ballots were cast, meaning that vote totals may substantially change.”

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  12. This is not over. Please continue to pray for our President, his lawyers, favor in the courts, and for righteousness to prevail in this election. It’s not over.

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  13. Its over, except for Trump’s temper tantrum. I await the day he is carried out like a crying 4 year old at a restaurant. It was closer than I anticipated but if you recall my win270 map on Tuesday, I was pretty much correct. The polls were right in some states wrong in others. 538’s credibility is now lower than RCP.

    Georgia surprised me. Despite the polls giving Biden a 1% edge I thought voter suppression similar to two years ago would give it to Trump. I see the Republicans are trying to suppression the vote after it was counted in Fulton County but that will be hard to do. Republicans may have wished Stacey Abrams was allowed to win — she spent the last two years signing up new members and working to make sure voter suppression was more difficult.

    The Penn debacle was a Republican creation. The Republican state legislature refused to start counting the mail in ballots early (like Florida, Arizona, Ohio, etc). The idea was for Trump to jump to an early lead and declare victory hoping the media and others would forget about the mail in ballots stored in a warehouse. They didn’t — some of those ballots were sitting there for more than a month, once they started counting it was evident Biden would catch up.

    I’m sure Trump will drag this on forever through the courts hoping the Supremes he appointed will save him but in the end its over. There will be no concession speech and in fact there will calls by Republicans to have state legislatures appoint their own electors and stall the process even further.

    Trump knows from his business failures the longer you drag something out the more likely the costs will be lower…banks will take the loss just to close the file. He may hope if he drags it out somehow his corruption and tax problems will disappear. On the other hand if he’s thinking clearly (and I doubt he is), he may exit allowing for Ivanka to run in 2024. Hopefully, the adults in the room (are they any left in the White House?) will push him out.

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  14. Any evidence of fraud or other ballot counting problems needs to be thoroughly investigated. Fraud, unfortunately, occurs probably in every election to some degree, but it’s in pockets. And we certainly need to come up with more universal standards and much tighter procedures before the next election comes around, assuming mail-in, early and extended voting is to become more of the norm. Voters on both sides need to be assured that the system is as drum-tight as possible.

    But to declare, as Trump is now doing, that this election, in fact, “has been stolen” and that he’s actually somehow “won” is simply not true from any of the evidence we have — it’s reckless rhetoric that is, to say the least, not helping right now.

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  15. The Republican party is now the Trump party. One of the difficulties for pollsters is to create a representative sample as the parties have gradually changed. In most western democracies there’s been a rural urban split — in all other countries this meant a centre left agenda but in the US with a greater rural population it favored the rural area until recently. Ironically, its a New Yorker who moved the Republicans as the rural party, 50 years after a California politician started the Republican southern strategy. Together they have create a party that mostly represents rural whites with occasional appeals to the suburban vote. For now, this base along with gerrymandering and the Electoral College gives the party a chance at winning. In the long term they will need to become more open — Hispanic social conservatives is an obvious target demographic.

    Biden want to capture the centre of the political spectrum and so he searched out “moderate” Republican leaders for endorsements. This strategy did not work — John Kaisch did not give him any extra Ohio votes. The Biden win was an urban win. And unlike the rural areas, urban people see a use for government — infrastructure, public health, etc — and if Biden doesn’t deliver, they will stay home like they did for Clinton. The Democrats need to understand who is their base and act accordingly and they need to organize their base. The Republicans are far better at it — although its easier to organize rural areas.

    A look at a country voting map of the US is tellingly — you can find cities, Mexican and African American counties, and Indian reservations by the blue — the rest is red; alot of land with few people.
    https://engaging-data.com/county-electoral-map-land-vs-population/

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  16. I don’t know about other countries, but in this one, we have a legal system and the electoral college. It is not done. One portion of the process is done.

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  17. This election was surprisingly close. That’s worth taking into account going forward.

    Major national media outlets, meanwhile, are now in a very new environment, one that may not be so prolific for them if they changed their ‘brand’ to go virulently anti-Trump in the past few years (CNN comes to mind). Where does CNN go now?

    Fox has added (more) regular Democrat voices in the past year or two which I think is only a good thing, people need to hear reasoned voices from both sides.

    Those media outlets that went all-in on the (tiresome) anti-Trump mission in the past 4-5 years will have a harder time finding a way forward. Talk about an identity crisis. They’ll honestly miss him, I think.

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  18. Actually, the Republican party with Trump leading has proven to be the people’s party. Economy up, jobs good, prison reform, babies in the womb a tad safer, etc. And I have not had to worry about any of my children having to head off to other people’s wars.

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  19. DJ: Pres. Trump was significantly ahead in the vote count until several key states all stopped counting at once (and the vote counts suddenly drastically changed in favor of Biden), and he had a big lead despite the media shenanigans of calling/not calling certain states. The evidence of widespread fraud (in terms of the key battleground states) is clear enough even for us to see, and you can imagine how much more info the president has than we do. He knows he’s being cheated – of course he’s going to make that known. That’s not reckless, that’s standing for what is true and fair and right.

    Notice how the Dems are afraid of any kind of transparency. They know what they did, and they know that they can’t win a fair election. The most pathetic part is that, just like all their other recent scandals, they don’t even care that they cheated – evidence of seared consciences.

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  20. Most countries have a legal system, tradition, and certain electoral steps to take as a new gov’t is formed. However, in almost all cases — the votes set it in motion; the votes are almost all counted and Biden won the vote, the mechanisms have been set in motion. Four years ago I heard similar things from Clinton supporters — its not over, there’s fraud everywhere, the electoral college needs to vote, etc etc. In the end, rule of law and tradition prevailed and Trump became president. Hopefully the same process will play itself out here and Biden will become president.

    Conspiracy theories to the contrary, the election was fairly uneventful. Yes, the vote count might have paused as they went from the easy to count day votes to the more labour intensive mailed/absentee ballots. There may have been some errors here and there but nothing to change the outcome.

    Sure we can argue why FOX called Arizona and why hasn’t the media called NC for Trump. Let’s say recounts move Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin to Trump. Biden still wins 270-268;

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  21. And if that was to happen and a couple of electors chose to vote their conscience, the final count could be reversed.

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  22. In Europe, right wing populists parties are generally called the People’s party. Its an accurate title for the Trump party but like the Europeans version — what “people” are included? In Europe it means “real” traditional Europeans, what would it mean in the US? The one thing European populist parties do differently is they spend money on health care and families. In Poland the right wing populist gov’t gives massive benefits to families and funds health care. However, these benefits are for “real” Poles only — they refuse to take refugees, economic migrants, have established LGBQT free zones and support the Catholic church (“real” Poles are Catholic). Polish politics are interesting in how it mirrors the US — two right of centre parties, 50-50 rural urban split, geographic split based on history, etc.

    I don’t understand the allegations over observers — there are observers and some polls were even live streamed. The objection I believe is in how close they are allowed to observe the poll counters — the six feet social distancing rule is being enforced.

    Apparently, the “crack” legal team led by Rudy G mixed up the Four Seasons Hotel with Four Seasons Landscaping for their press conference. If this is the best, it doesn’t bode well. Meanwhile some people are trolling the Trump campaign by phoning the “fraud hotline” and making wild allegations and then laughing at the operators. In the long run not a good idea because it keeps speculation and rumors going.

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  23. Mumsee — electoral college shenanigans is probably not a good idea for the unity of the country. Its an outdated institution which made sense when transportation and communication were slow but it really needs to be scrapped. Right now it gives far too much leverage to rural votes — a vote in Wyoming is worth 70 times as a vote in California in the electoral college. Rural votes always count higher and the Senate already gives rural states an advantage, there’s no need for more rural advantage. A democrat has to win by at least 3% or 4 million votes to be able to win the electoral college and even that isn’t always enough. A system based on such an inbalance loses legitimacy.

    Right now, it appears the Republicans will have the Senate and a majority of the Supreme Court is conservative — given their minority status in the country that’s a fair distribution of power.

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  24. The electoral system was set up so every tom, dick, and harry did not have equal sway. Because they wanted people with sense and discernment doing the selecting and those people would be changed out every election. We now have instant communication and availability of news and that would appear we could then have an informed electorate. Because of that some people want everybody voting and all of their votes counting. Does not matter if they have no interest, have done no research, are mentally disconnected, are dead and have been for six months or more, are felons, are citizens of another country, have already voted….

    I don’t want non citizens, felons, or many of my children deciding who is going to be leading.

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  25. From what I have seen, President Trump is on the side of the people. Who are the people? Everybody. The problem seems to be, he wants to keep it safer for all Americans, not just a select few. He is not anti immigration, he is anti illegal immigration. We have laws for a reason.

    But because he does not cater to the select few, people consider him to be favoring. Bizarre.

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  26. Trump brought in a broader constituency which was a very good thing and something I hope the party can build upon. Meanwhile, I see the far left ‘squad’ members are still hoping they can pressure Biden to go for broke. That largely hinges, I’d say, on what happens in the Senate.

    But it will be interesting to see who manages to “steer” the Democrat party going forward from here. Even my ex boyfriend, a staunch (centrist) Dem and journalist/journalism professor, says the “woke” movement is just nuts.

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  27. My Democrat journalist/British friend at church, meanwhile, told me after the service this morning that he was elated with the results. We’ve shared some dismay over Trump through the years, but I told him I certainly can’t say I’m ‘elated’ by any stretch of the imagination …. I think he’s fairly moderate, though, as he seemed somewhat onboard with my suggestion that full Democrat control of both houses of congress and the presidency might not be such a great thing.

    He and I have also lamented about the media losing its head over Trump in the past 4 years, it’s become their sole mission in life, in some instances, just to “get” Trump, 24/7. Tiresome to say the least. And frustrating for those of us to see from inside an industry we still care deeply about. I’d say that right now, the national media’s credibility is in shambles. We’ll see if they/we have the honesty, fortitude and vision to reassess the road they’ve been on for way too long now.

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  28. @2:05. Thanks Mumsee. Not sure how I managed that. My phone may be partucipating in that election “glitch”. I should probably check to make sure I haven’t voted for Biden. :–)

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  29. Some have been saying that it is too odd to have the election come out for a Democratic president, but more Republicans down-ballot. But I don’t think it is odd. I did not vote for Trump, but I voted for the other Republicans on the ballot, and I know others who did the same.

    Also, supposedly one of the accusations back when Al Gore lost in 2000 was that Dems down-ballot did well, so the assumption by his supporters was that there must have been some fraud.

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  30. Mumsee — the problem with democracy is everyone gets to vote. Depending on their political viewpoint, people will scratch their head and wonder why they allow “group x” to vote. However, its usually the best way for a government to gain legitimacy. Living in a socialist city, I’m quite used to hearing liberals and conservative wondering why they need to tolerate our voting habits — it probably motivates us to continue our support of the socialist NDP just to annoy the rest of the country.

    Although I think many Republican supporters have a broad vision of who is the people, I don’t think that is the case of Trump and other supporters. His wink wink nudge nudge to racists over the years suggests something different.

    DJ — AOC and friends are arguing that Biden’s victory is due to the urban left vote not the endorsement of moderate Republicans. They think the Democratic party needs to pivot to the left of centre in order to retain and motivate the urban vote. Not surprising, I agree. If they continue to listen to the DLC and the Clintons, Bidens, Kaine, etc the ordinary people will either stay home or vote for the new populist version of the Republican party. With a populist message based on the needs of urban Americans, the Democrats can win but as a centrist corporate party they are doomed to second place.

    The role of “woke” people is exaggerated, mostly by Republicans who see it as an excellent wedge issue. Personally I tolerate the social issues left as a necessary compromise to push the economic issues I think are important. On the other hand, I’ve become convinced in the last ten years or so that its time for rich old white guys to retire and let the rest of the world take over. Women esp seem to have a far better attitude and desire to use gov’t for the greater good unlike the old men who seem to content to collect a salary.

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  31. HRW, all well and good if the US was a democracy, which it isn’t. Not designed to be but rather designed to keep it from becoming the mob rule of democracy. It is a collection of States working together as one country. The many people in California, for example, do not have the authority to dictate life in Idaho. Though, by numbers, they clearly could. And many are working to destroy our country and make it just a place of rule by numbers.

    So, are you saying it is okay for somebody in Argentina to vote in the US or Canada elections?

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