Our Daily Thread 5-24-18

Good Morning!

Today’s pics are from Peter, who is also celebrating a birthday today!



Anyone have a QoD?


59 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 5-24-18

  1. Happy birthday, Peter! I hope you got some apple from those blossoms. I have apples and cherries this year
    The peaches froze. 😦

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  2. Susan, or Sue used to be a popular name for girls, but I don’t know of any young girls with that name.


  3. Cheryl, we also have the lazy susan in the bottom cabinet, which seems to be the only practical solution a the corner cabinet. However, I don’t like it very much either. Nothing fits very well, can’t store large things because of the pole in the middle, and things fall off easily when I move it. I tend to use only the portion I can reach without rotating it. One good idea I got from my dear DIL is a large plastic bowl in which I store little things like packs of peanut butter crackers, granola bars, and little snacks I keep around for the kiddos.

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  4. I got curious. So I asked around. I know, from your conversations that it has to do with kitchen of dining room, but
    What is a lazy Susan?


  5. It’s a circle of wood or plastic with a pole running through the middle that allows it to turn. It’s typically used in corner cupboards where you can’t quite reach in well enough to store items.

    The idea is you set you bowls or whatever on the lazy susan, turn it slightly, set something else down until you’ve filled the circle with items and then whenever you want something, turn the circle and pick it out.

    Families often had them in the center of a table and you set items like salt and pepper, napkins, creamer, sugar, whatever and whenever you want one, rather than reach across the table, you turn the lazy Susan and it rotates around to you.

    We set the Ipad on it one dinner with Stargazer on Facetime. Whenever one of us wanted to talk, we turned the lazy Susan to face us and then Stargazer could see who was talking to him.

    Or, in his words, ‘At least I was no longer stuck in the corner on the computer where you easily walked away and I could only hear you.”


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  6. Good morning. I am going in late so I can do a few home chores.

    I heard another family is leaving the church, I suppose after this most recent decision was made. There will be a 45 day period before the final rental of the sanctuary is a done deal. Either party can back out during the 45 Days.

    I need to hem a pair of pants I bought for Art. I tend to buy what is on clearance which means I have to alter them.


  7. It seems I will be busy today. My spices are on the lazy susan in the bottom corner cupboard. Well, they are also in a drawer and in an upper cupboard. Most of the lazy ones are the Costco big containers (I know, you are not supposed to get those as they last too long) where they are easy to find.


  8. Chas, you learn something every day!

    A restaurant off of I-75, named Buckner’s, has lazy Susan’s on all their round tables. They set their bowls and dishes full of food on the food-go-round for people to serve themselves.
    It’s wonderful food and if you are ever in the area, it is a perfect place for a special meal.




    Your photo is fabulous. You did that blossom justice!

    You get such a nice present for your birthday each year with it being so near to the end of the school uear.

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  10. A sobering post from Dr. Mohler. I have to say, I’m impressed by his willingness to admit to the presence of wrongdoing when so many others have consistently swept it under the carpet or tried to downplay it: https://albertmohler.com/2018/05/23/wrath-god-poured-humiliation-southern-baptist-convention/

    Sexual misconduct is as old as sin, but the avalanche of sexual misconduct that has come to light in recent weeks is almost too much to bear. These grievous revelations of sin have occurred in churches, in denominational ministries, and even in our seminaries.

    We thought this was a Roman Catholic problem. The unbiblical requirement of priestly celibacy and the organized conspiracy of silence within the hierarchy helped to explain the cesspool of child sex abuse that has robbed the Roman Catholic Church of so much of its moral authority. When people said that Evangelicals had a similar crisis coming, it didn’t seem plausible β€” even to me. I have been president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary for twenty-five years. I did not see this coming.

    I was wrong. The judgment of God has come.

    Judgment has now come to the house of the Southern Baptist Convention. The terrible swift sword of public humiliation has come with a vengeance. There can be no doubt that this story is not over.

    We cannot blame a requirement of priestly celibacy. We cannot even point to an organized conspiracy of silence within the denominational hierarchy. No, our humiliation comes as a result of an unorganized conspiracy of silence. Sadly, the unorganized nature of our problem may make recovery and correction even more difficult and the silence even more dangerous.

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  11. Phos, I read the link and Mohler’s comment.
    I assume he is referring to some event, but I don’t know what.
    Our church has just called a pastor who is immediately from Southwestern. I am a graduate of Southwestern. It was a conservative school in those days, but it’s eschatology was non-millennial.

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  12. Chas, there have been several stories surrounding very high profile Southern Baptist leaders that broke around the same time, and it is clear that Mohler thinks they are only the tip of the iceberg:
    The resignation of Frank Page: https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/march/frank-page-resigns-southern-baptist-executive-committee-sbc.html
    Both Paige Patterson and Judge Pressler are mentioned in this one: http://www.bpnews.net/50228/sbc-added-as-defendant-in-pressler-lawsuit


  13. Yikes.

    I’d seen that video on the Dreher link before, just in the past week or so. And yes, it is creepy particularly in light of all that’s going on. There’s a need for God’s people, all of us, but also including popular preachers who are riding high amid their own adoring circles, to rediscover how to “put on” humility.


  14. Thank you for the birthday greetings.

    The photo is at the farm house where we go to church. The lady of the house has many varieties of flowers and flowering trees/shrubs. We got our lilacs form her bushes, as well as a red bud tree.

    I recently bought a used Canon digital SLR, so the pictures are my experimenting with the different settings. It’s a great camera to have with grandchildren, since most digital cameras have a delay when you press the button. And I don’t want a smart phone, so I can’t take pictures that way.

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  15. There is an old saying, “The bigger they are, the harder they fall”. Man (and Woman) are human. Therefore they are flawed. It stems from original sin. I have told you before that whenever I have said “I would never….” I have ended up doing it. I am a flawed human. We elevate our leaders to demigods and they are NOT. Sometimes “power corrupts”.
    On the other hand, I have a situation at the office that I am going to have to handle. Several women have come to me about a few comments one of the newer agents has made.
    One woman is of Cuban descent. He very suggestively told her he only spoke Spanish around women. One just told me that she can’t tell me exactly why, but he makes her skin crawl. I am a big believer in the “skin crawl test”. He doesn’t make my skin crawl, but I am too close to his age and she is very much younger than he is.

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  16. Kim is right, we’re all vulnerable to sin — and that can become easy to forget in our “good” times, when success and especially when any kind of power come our way. It can obscure our own vulnerability and we forget our need to always ‘put on the armor of God’ every day.


  17. DJ, Rod Dreher has a more recent piece further updating the situation: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/paige-patterson-southern-baptist-rape/

    The sad thing about this, is it is all so familiar to me. I came out of two different ultra-conservative movements that were ostensibly Christian, ATI and the IFB (Independent Fundamentalist Baptist). The same kind of degradation of women was apparent (Gothard used to pontificate on how men shouldn’t have wandering eyes, but it turned out that his praise of young teen girls for their “bright eyes” was just code for the same kind of leering that Patterson indulged in), the same kind of sweeping scandal under the rug, the same kind of circling the wagons of the powerful and widely admired. I have said it before and will say it again, the Church is the Jonah of the modern world. Jonah’s disobedience caused the storm and he had to be put overboard before the storm would stop. Mohler’s piece is based on a section of Scripture:

    But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters.
    Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
    For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? (I Peter 4:15-17)

    Far too much of what the Church is being criticized by the world for is genuine evildoing.


  18. I think that we can’t say “I would never . . . ” in a sense of “I’m too good to do that,” but that we should say, “I will never (with God’s help) . . .” as a vow / commitment.

    Happy birthday, Peter!

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  19. A table top lazy susan can also be used for cake decorating or playing scrabble.

    I like my bottom cabinet lazy susans. It always takes the little ones a bit of time to realize they are not good for little fingers, if they are not careful.

    The devil likes nothing more than to go after God’s people. It should drive us all to our knees to pray for those in these positions, for each other and for ourselves. We seem to keep forgetting we are in a spiritual battle.

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  20. Meanwhile, life does not always come together as we plan. For instance, this morning husband brought me a nice bunch of rhubarb from his garden. I had some as always with my celery and eggs for breakfast, But the extra is going into a nice rhubarb tart. Sadly, my lemon tree is just flowering now so the lemons won’t be ready for months. So I will probably substitute orange zest.

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  21. The New Testament has far more to say in condemnation of evil spiritual leaders in the Church than it does about how the Church is under attacks by the devil. Just take the second chapter of Peter’s second epistle:

    But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their unrestrained ways, and the way of truth will be blasphemed because of them. They will exploit you in their greed with deceptive words. Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep…

    Bold, arrogant people! They do not tremble when they blaspheme the glorious ones; however, angels, who are greater in might and power, do not bring a slanderous charge against them before the Lord. But these people, like irrational animalsβ€”creatures of instinct born to be caught and destroyedβ€”speak blasphemies about things they don’t understand, and in their destruction they too will be destroyed, suffering harm as the payment for unrighteousness. They consider it a pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, delighting in their deceptions as they feast with you. They have eyes full of adultery and are always looking for sin. They seduce unstable people and have hearts trained in greed. Children under a curse! They have gone astray by abandoning the straight path and have followed the path of Balaam, the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness but received a rebuke for his transgression: A donkey that could not talk spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s irrationality.

    These people are springs without water, mists driven by a whirlwind. The gloom of darkness has been reserved for them. For by uttering boastful, empty words, they seduce, with fleshly desires and debauchery, people who have barely escaped from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption, since people are enslaved to whatever defeats them. For if, having escaped the world’s impurity through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in these things and defeated, the last state is worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy command delivered to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb: A dog returns to its own vomit,and, β€œa sow, after washing itself, wallows in the mud.” [HCSB]

    Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, and Jude all had no trouble calling out false teachers. In fact, their language, which is inviting to those who are caught in sin and gentle to the broken and repentant, is harsh and blistering against leaders of God’s people who have broken their trust. Jesus overthrew the powers of evil on the cross, so that the devil is an already defeated foe (Colossians 2:15). We are tempted and drawn away into sin, James said, by our own lusts (1:14). Church leaders who are caught in sin cannot blame the devil for their fall.


  22. I keep coming back to, How do they think they’re going to get away with such behavior? God is not mocked and He sees all.

    Obviously, they have a very low opinion of God if they think they can lead a church and not be humble, seek justice and to love mercy.

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  23. My point above wasn’t to excuse the behaviour. It was to point out that these people became too self important and believed themselves to be demigods because they were treated that way, so they were above reproach and could do as they pleased. Who was to condemn them?

    I suffered through a fundamentalist church school, which might be why I allowed my own child more freedoms which have come home to haunt me.

    Me? As much as I have fought against feelings of guilt, I now have to say I was born guilty and it has only gotten worse.

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  24. DJ, the phrase ‘the world, the flesh, and the devil’ actually occurs nowhere in Scripture. The trio of temptations that is warned about, in I John 2:14, is “the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life.” If the beginning of the story of Job shows us anything, it is that Satan is always under constraint when it comes to attacking the righteous. He is always limited in what he can do to believers, because the One who seals the people of God is greater than Satan. The discipline that comes to the one who claims to be a believer but is living in sin, was that such a one was to be delivered to Satan for the destruction of the flesh by being put out of fellowship with other believers (I Corinthians 5). In other words, one is most exposed to attacks of Satan not by being self-controlled and obedient to God, but by being disobedient. James was absolutely correct in saying that it is human lust which first draws us away to sin, the devil is merely a secondary actor. As a roaring lion, he seeks out those who are already primed to fall prey to him.


  25. Happy Birthday, Peter.

    Time for me to go buy a birthday present. No, sorry, not for you. πŸ˜‰ For my daughter whose birthday was ten days ago. Well, for one of my two daughters whose birthday was ten days ago — the one who lives hours from home but is coming tonight. The other birthday girl got her presents the day of. πŸ™‚

    Enjoy your day, Peter.

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  26. I stayed up way too late reading a book last night and am paying for it this morning. Then I couldn’t go to sleep. I think my brain was too full of the book and couldn’t settle down. Good thing that it is Friday.


  27. This evening is the high school banquet for juniors and seniors. The parents and others have been working all week to turn the Teen Centre into something else with a theme. There are always games to play and a lovely meal. Plus the parents put on a play for them where all of the teens appear probably acted by their own parents. Tomorrow night we get to go see the play and the decorations.


  28. Tonight we will all go down to watch them arrive. Quite an event. I will take lots of pictures. Of course they are all beautifully dressed up, but it is all in how they arrive. Several times some have come by helicopter. One time it was a backhoe with a couch in the bucket containing four teens. By bicycle with a cart behind it, on horseback, on pillow covered platform with knights carrying it. I love when it is their fathers who escort them in.

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  29. Roscuro, I am not sure where you got the idea anyone was excusing anyone of anything by saying the devil wants to go after God’s people. Nor was it meant to excuse anyone. Are you saying the devil does not tempt Christians? I believe he does want to bring down Christian leaders and Christian families. All the more to discourage others from the truth. We are certainly told to pray for one another, among other things.

    There have certainly been wolves in sheep’s clothing since the beginning of the church. Paul says as much. Some who fall into sexual sin may fit this category; others may not.


  30. K, I noted in my last post that the devil does try to attack Christians, but that he is not allowed very much power. While worldly and demonic influences do play a role in temptation, such influences can have no real power over the believer who is walking in the Spirit and not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. When we quench the Spirit and walk in the flesh, then we lay ourselves open to further temptation:

    So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

    The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. [Galatians 5 NIV]

    Note that witchcraft and idolatry, two practices associated closely with demonic activity, are the result of walking in the flesh. Jesus said we would know false teachers by their fruits, for one does not gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles. When leaders wreaked destruction in the New Testament Church, the response of Scripture is to hold those leaders accountable, not to ascribe their failures to spiritual warfare. Paul even speaks of delivering two such false teachers over to Satan so that they would learn not to blaspheme (I Timothy 1:20).

    One of the methods that has been used to downplay recent spiritual scandals of leadership has been for the supporters of those leaders, and the leaders themselves, to claim that there was spiritual warfare going on. I recall hearing, while in ATI, oblique references to what I now know was the IBLP scandal of the 1980s, which involved sexual abuse of female employees by Gothard’s brother, but it was described to ATI followers such as having been a spiritual attack attempting to destroy the organization – a subtler way of saying, “The devil made me do it.” Ascribing the destruction that bad leaders wreak in the Church as the result of spiritual warfare can serve to obscure the enormity of the sins of those leaders and allow them to escape being held fully responsible for their actions.


  31. So far the day has gone well. Several students wished me a happy birthday. When i got home, Mrs L and I went hiking in a nature preserve here. Some steep hills of packed mud and a little overgrowth first, then to the paved trail for extra mileage. We’ve been taking hikes almost every day this week so I can be ready for the cave Saturday. I’m giving tours in the non-modernized cave (no electricity). Each tour is about a mile and I’ll give 5 of them.

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  32. I do agree that we can open ourselves up to the devil in all kinds of ways. Yes, a lot of people want to blame all kinds of things on spiritual warfare when it is not at all. Blaming the devil has been true since the garden of Eden, as has blaming the woman. 😦

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  33. D2 pointed out that my age is the same as the year Mrs L wax born, 61. And that she’ll be the age of the year I was born.


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