53 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 2-16-16”

  1. I’ve told you before that Elvera is beginning to have mental problems.
    Sometimes it can be amusing.

    I went out to get the paper. But the paper hadn’t come yet.
    Elvera came to check on me because it’s slippery out there.
    that’s good.
    But she said, “No paper?”
    “The paper hasn’t come yet.”
    “The people across the street don’t have theirs either.”

    😆

    Good morning everyone. It is icey out there. It is 36 degrees, so I didn’t expect my front porch to be slippery. But I almost slipped down. I walked across the grass to check the paperbox.

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  2. Really icy here too. We got a couple inches of snow and then a 1/2 inch glaze of ice on top. Now it’s turned to just rain. It’s bad, schools are closed, but it’s supposed to hit 50 this afternoon, so it won’t be that way for long. 🙂

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  3. I mentioned that I almost slipped down going out for the paper.
    I was walking across my front porch and hit some Ice. I started falling but caught a bannister and regained stability.
    However, at my age, a fall can be disastrous
    Many of the men in my SS class who have serious physical problems have it originating with a fall. In once case, the physical problems translated into mental. He doesn’t recognize anyone anymore.
    I don’t know what it is about a fall that does that.
    My mother fell and broke some bones. In the hospital, her bones recovered, bit it was the start of a mental breakdown.
    I don’t know what it is about a fall. But, as I said, at our age, problems often start with a fall.
    And so many do not recover from a simple fall.
    Maybe Phos, or someone has some insight into that.

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  4. Our schools are on a two hour delay. They don[‘t want to close schools because NC requires so many school days, regardless of the reason.
    And Hendersonville children are already in school until June 10.

    I told you before, in Va. there is (was?) a state law that schools can’t operate past Memorial Day. That’s because so many attractions hire students to work.

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  5. Good morning.

    Chas: My mom has fallen three times in last few months. She is unable to get up without assistance. Amazingly, she hasn’t sustained any injuries. After the last fall, she finally began using a walker, which three doctors recommended she use six months ago…

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  7. Good Morning….no snow nor ice are falling here…just melting 🙂
    Oh I felt myself gasp as I read your post Chas….be careful out there…just don’t go out there…thankful that you had the quick reflex to grasp ahold of the bannister and the strength to hold on!! Stay safe all you east coasters….

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  9. I think we have discussed before that smoke alarm’s batteries seem to go dead and start chirping in the middle of the night. Never during the daylight hours when you are awake and mentally able to handle it.
    Ours started chirping at 5:45 this morning. I heard the first one and grabbed my phone–why? Because all of our doors and windows have an alarm on them and I thought surely BG can’t be this stupid to be sneaking in or out at this time and I can check her location on my phone. It chirped several more times. Mr. P asked me what was making the noise (He finally woke up!) I told him, so he calmly got out of bed went to a drawer, got a pack of batteries, and fixed the situation. I managed to get 30 more minutes of much needed sleep.

    He had a bad storm roll through last night. Not only was it buckets of rain falling, but the wind gusts were up to 60 mph. Some people lost power because the grid they are on hasn’t been updated in 35+ years and the growth has strained the system to the point that if the winds blows sideways the power goes out…which is why I will be posting a prayer for Lucinda on the prayer thread this morning.

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  10. Linda, I read through most of the article. He gives reason to think more deeply, but part of his piece seems like propaganda. He is right about all believers are now the same in God’s sight. But I feel there is a God given right for the nation of Israel to exist, and the nation has been losing land over time and they are the ones under the guns and weapons pointed by terrorists. I do not trust what that man wrote about Israel at all, and what he is blaming Israel for is actually what bad guys on the other side are doing. Is real is about defense, not offense. The Muslims have always been about offense, although some do take a peaceful route, but those who go opposite of the offensive radical Muslims will get slammed even if they are moderate Muslims. We need to be saying who the true terrorists are and not mislabel those who may be having to hurt innocents as a matter of defense against aggressors who use women and children as shields to perpetrate their violent aggression and takeovers. Many may be deceived by this man’s portrayal, God made it clear there would be many deceiver in the world.

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  11. You know I blame a lot of my warpness on my Fundamental Christian Education. It wasn’t all bad. I had some phenomenal teachers and some very knowledgeable and godly people put in my life. It is deeply ingrained in me to always support Israel. I think this article is someone trying to show how enlightened he has become. I am not happy that it seems our government is turning their back on Israel.

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  12. My mom has fallen many times. It is the reason she finally agreed to live with my brother. He told her that any more falls was going to bring in social workers and then none of us would have a say in where she lives. She would much rather be with one of us, than in a facility.

    She did have to stay in a nursing home for rehab once. She absolutely hated it. Ironically, my dad had to stay in the same facility and didn’t mind it at all.

    I am happy to say she is doing quite well. She is back working on her art projects and reads up a storm. Not that there are not issues, but that is the time of life in which she lives.

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  13. Re: Benjamin Cory.

    In reading one of his other comments, I gather that he takes a very liberal position on most things.
    Concerning Israel”
    There is a theory held by many devout Christians that God has abandoned Israel. They have what is called a “Replacement Theory”. That is, all of the promises God has made to Abraham et. al. now accrue to the Church. I once heard a preacher say, “I believe God is finished with Israel. This just after the 1972 war.
    I, obviously do not agree with this theory. A reading of Romans 11 will convince an objective person that God still has plans for Israel
    An observation of events since 1948 sustain that.

    There is a description of a battle in Zechariah 12. That prophesy is as of yet unfulfilled.
    I believe that some day it will be.
    Verse 8f says:: In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
    9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, ………..
    Someday there will be a great battle.
    I don’t want to be on the wrong side.
    Aside from that. Even if you don’t believe the Bible, we must understand that Israel is our friend. The only real friend we have between London and Tokyo, maybe Canberra.
    Someone once said that nations do not have friends, only national interests.
    We have friends. Other than Canada, we must know that England, Israel, Australia and now Japan, are our friends.

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  14. Interesting article, Linda. The theology is one which many churches uphold. There are some statements that have some problems, IMO.

    OTOH, no one in the Israel of the patriarchs was ever to support the nation of Israel ‘right or wrong,’ We are not called to support Christians ‘right or wrong.’ We are not called to support modern Israel ‘right or wrong.’ It would be good for all Christians to remember that.

    I have a problem when I hear prayers for Israel and their people, but none for the Christian Palestinians, who also have some severe hardships. We should not neglect the one or the other. Modern Israel is a complicated subject and no one faith has complete control.

    The history is questionable and clearly the author has no use for Israel, however. That gives us a good idea of the bias of the article.

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  15. Falls are the reason daughter is living with my dad and stepmom. They keep a close watch on her but dad tells daughter to sometimes let grandma go up the stairs alone (with daughter at the base of the seven steps) but never down. It helps her build her confidence and independence but still be kept in her own home. That woman can be sneaky! But daughter is well able to get up in a moment’s notice. My dad would but he is practically deaf. This is the woman who came to Christ at eighty through Jim Wilson’s Bitterness study, with him walking her through it. That was about fourteen years ago.

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  16. In Zechariah 12:6, God says (paraphrasing) “In that day I will make the governors of Judaea like a blowtorch in a woodpile.”
    It’s that way now.
    All the world has a problem with a country about the size of New Jersey.

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  17. Luke 13:35
    Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

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  18. I have fallen on ice when I’ve been visiting in snow country, no fun! Real estate friend at the dog park (he lived next door to me for a while when he bought the house to “flip”) took a bad fall just before Christmas (he’s probably in his mid-70s?) on the cement slab where the water fountains are and “shattered” his left arm. It was a real mess and he’s only recently reappeared at the dog park, still in a sling and his hand still rather swollen (cracked his wrist also). No surgery, he’s just had to keep it all as immobile as possible. And, of course, he has a giant, pony-sized dog, a great Dane, who’s hard to to handle.

    Cheryl probably has more time to comment on the Israel issue and I haven’t read the link yet. But we’ve been going through some of that in our study of Romans.

    Annms, how did the online “traffic school” go? I did that once several years ago when I’d gotten a speeding ticket, decided next time I’d just go to the “physical” school classroom and give up a Saturday. It was more trouble than it was worth and I encountered a lot of computer glitches along the way (plus I was doing it in the middle of a horrendous heat wave, the house was baking and I was stuck at that computer in a sunny room — it wouldn’t work on my laptop, had to use my old desk top — for hours on end). Maybe they’ve improved the experience 🙂

    It’s record-shattering hot here, I did the weather story yesterday and the meteorologist I interviewed said *maybe* rain Wednesday night and a few days of cooler temps, but then it’ll shoot up again by Sunday. No “big” rain events on our horizon.

    Kim’s “Buckets” of rain sound wonderful to me.

    But … my roses are blooming! And they’re beautiful.

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  19. Going out to pick up the paper sounds quaint to me nowadays, though I did that for years until maybe … 5-8 years ago? I miss the ritual of hearing the delivery folks doing their stop-and-go trek up and down the block before dawn.

    Now it’s all online so most of us have succumbed (and I’ll admit I don’t miss having to deal with the pile of newspapers to toss at the end of the week). Do a lot of people still get physical newspapers in your neighborhood Chas?

    I suspect it’s only a very few where I live, but since I’m out of the habit of walking the dogs in the early mornings I don’t really know.

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  20. We still go up to the mailbox to get the paper. At least, the little folk do. It is their half mile walk. Then the papers are read, nine year old laughs at the comics, then he rolls them into paper rolls of a dozen or so. Then the papers either are used as fire starter or taken to the garden.

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  21. And for years, from ten to age about seventeen, I was the one delivering the paper at four or five in the morning. And I did try throwing but that did not work for me so it was trudge to each door, open the screen, put it inside. I never did well at collecting. Just enough to pay the bills, everybody else was free.

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  27. Chas, on your question about falls and broken bones, yes, there is an increased risk of mental problems in the elderly after they break bones. It is something we were taught to watch for. In caring for elderly people who were in the hospital for a repair of a broken hip, I saw so many of them disintegrate mentally. Why is not quite certain, although there are a couple of possible explanations.

    In some cases, there may be small strokes, as it is very common for people to have a stroke after breaking their hip. It is not actually the hip (pelvic) bone that breaks, but the ball of the femur, and the femur is a deadly bone to break. As I’ve mentioned before, many years, my father was in a coma and nearly died as a result of a broken femur. The yellow marrow in the shaft of the femur is fat, and after a break, it can leak into the blood stream and become fat globules which can block vital blood vessels in the brain or lungs, causing strokes, cell damage, and possibly death from the lack of oxygen supply.

    Another observation is that bladder infections are frequently discovered in conjunction with treating the broken hip. In the senior’s care facility where I trained, if a patient began acting out of character, the first thing we checked for was a bladder infection. For some reason, an infection in the bladder produces mental changes, which can be mistaken for dementia. The thought is, that the bladder infection was what caused the fall in the first place (loss of coordination and balance due to mental disturbance from the bladder infection). Again, in the cases I took care of, there was a concurrent bladder infection.

    It is probable that it is a combination of circumstances, but mental changes with a broken bone, especially a broken hip, are well documented in healthcare. Broken bones are no joke. Be careful out there.

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  29. I’m wearing address and sandals to Bible study, but we’re supposed to get a little rain tomorrow, thanks be to Fod– please.

    Batteries chirping in the night: fire drills, obviously.

    My husband just changes all the batterie, now, when one starts to chirp.

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  30. Linda, on your link, I agree, in part. He is theologically correct to say that the promise to Abraham was fulfilled in Christ (Galatians 3:7-18), and thus all who follow Christ are partakers of that promise. He is also correct in saying that certain branches of dispensationalist theology distort the gospel. It is a grave disservice to the Jews to treat them as if they are simply on another path to God because of their historical heritage. Christ made it clear to the Jews of his day that if they did not accept him, there was no other way they could come to God (John 8:31-58).

    Unfortunately, he weakens his excellent points by some obvious errors. For example, in his point that Israel wasn’t just made up of Abraham’s descendants, he rightly points out that Christ’s genealogy includes a Canaanite women, Rahab, and a Moabite, Ruth; but he spoils all of that by claiming Caleb was an Edomite, when it is crystal clear from the Bible that Caleb was of the tribe of Judah, which is why he was on the spy mission as one man was sent from each tribe (Numbers 13:1-16). Also, he uses too much propaganda against Israel. It is best not to strain an audience’s credibility by using over dramatic accusations. Our national media tends to be more critical than not of Israel, and they haven’t reported such wild accusations.

    Let me be clear, I support the right of Israel to exist, not because I believe I or my country will be blessed for my support or because I’m looking for some eschatological fulfillment, but because the world, in the form of the UN, granted the Jews a place to live in the Middle East in 1949. On the grounds that having given our word, we should not then break it, Israel should be allowed to continue. However, as a country, Israel should be held to the standard which we hold every other country. If they are committing human rights abuses towards their neighbours, they should receive censure, perhaps even sanctions if the offenses merit it. After all, God will not overlook injustice by the government of Israel, any more than he will overlook it in the government of the U.S. or Canada or Russia or North Korea. Why should we?

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  33. I see our spell checkers are once again helping us write creatively.

    9:19 am: “Is real is about defense.”

    12:12 pm: Someone is wearing address to Bible Study.

    As a friend of mine observed several decades ago, “Computers help you make mistakes millions of times faster than you could on your own…”

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  34. Kim, yes anesthesia can have some effect. I was just looking around at the available literature on the subject, and came across this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279058/

    Delirium is the most studied organic psychiatric disorder in patients who sustained a hip fracture, and it has been associated with increased morbidity and mortality rates, a longer length of hospital stay, and an increased risk of nursing home placement (9).
    Its incidence ranges from 16% to 62% after surgery for hip fracture (10). It usually peaks between 2 and 5 days after surgery (11)…

    The pathophysiology of post hip fracture delirium has not been yet clarified. Patients with hip fractures experience a high number of stressful events that may affect the development of delirium. The accident, the transfer to the hospital, the clinical and radiological examinations, the type of anesthesia and surgery, the administration of opioids, the sleep deprivation and the pain that is not always properly treated might have an important role in the development of delirium (10).

    Recently Juliebo et al. run a prospective cohort study to identify risk factors for pre-operative and post-operative delirium in elderly patients with hip fracture. Pre-fracture cognitive impairment, indoor injury, fever, delayed surgical intervention were identified as independent risk factors and statistically significant for pre-operative delirium. BMI less than 20 and fracture occurring indoors were instead recognized as independent and statistically significant risk factors for post-operative delirium (9).

    Other researches focused on the role of biological markers in the development of post-fracture delirium in elderly patients. Stress hormones as well as pro-inflammatory cytokines (Interleukins: IL-6, IL-8, IL-12) can affect some mental functions such as attention, memory, mood and perception. Several pro-inflammatory cytokines have been implicated in determining the development of the main symptoms of delirium in elderly patients. In humans, the most investigated pro-inflammatory cytokines are IL-6 and IL-8, even though only inconsistent correlations were shown. Van Munster et al. found that in a cohort of 120 hip fracture patients older than 65 years, with and without delirium, there were higher levels of cortisol and IL-8 before delirium, and of IL-6 and S100B during delirium (17).
    Iolascon, G., Cervone, M., Gimigliano, R., Di Pietro, G., & Gimigliano, F. (2011). Neuropsychiatric disorders in hip fracture. Clinical Cases in Mineral and Bone Metabolism, 8(3), 49–53.

    The body’s inflammatory response has also been linked to the depression which develops after someone has a heart attack. As the beginning quote says, we’ve long linked delirium to sickness, but we still don’t fully understand the whys and hows of it.

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  37. Looks like there’s an interesting discussion going on here, but I’ll have to catch up with it later, or tomorrow, as I am babysitting Forrest all day today (9am to a 6:30 or 6:45pm). But I am taking a few minutes here, as Forrest is playing by himself for a bit, to write more about my church & prayer, as we had been discussing last night.

    Like some of you mentioned, we have what we call a “connection card” for people to fill out with prayer requests, & those are prayed for at a prayer meeting each week.

    But part of the reason for offering people to come to the altar for prayer at the end of each service is if the sermon was something they needed to respond to. For instance, if a sermon was about bitterness, anyone who struggled with bitter feelings would be encouraged to come forward for prayer. Or a sermon on facing difficult circumstances would end with prayer for people in particularly difficult circumstances. That kind of thing – “doing business with God”, as I’ve heard someone say, while the need is fresh in one’s mind & heart.

    See ya later.

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  39. About the link…..

    While he makes some legit/good points, he loses points on many more. As Roscuro said, a lot of it reads like anti-Israel propaganda. And as she also noted, he seems to think Jews are simply on another path to God. That I believe comes from Corey’s self-identified “Progressive Christianity” and “Emerging Church” type viewpoints. It’s not at all surprising given the views those groups have of organized religion and Israel. Of course Israel would be a sticking point from a post-modern, go along to get along, we’re all on our own journey’s, type of mindset. They won’t play nice with those other faiths in the area.

    Plus, and this is the big sticking point for me, they view the Bible as less than what it is, God’s word. They view it as “scripture as a record of human historical & spiritual experiences and theological reflection thereupon instead of a composition of literal or scientific facts.”

    None of it was anything new. Men have been trying to use the Bible to make their point, and many times getting it wrong, for eons. This will continue for a time yet, man being man and all. This is just another example. While some of what he says is true, his worldview and other inaccuracies taints it.

    Here’s a couple links that will give you a better idea where he’s coming from. And why he’s wrong.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerging_church

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Christianity

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  40. I went back and reread that first point in Linda’s link to make sure I had read it right, and I noticed that not only did he call Caleb an Edomite – the genealogy of the tribe of Judah in I Chronicles 2 (which is fascinating reading) makes it abundantly clear that Caleb was a descendant of Judah – but he said Othniel, the first judge, was also not an Israelite. Well, since Caleb is the son of Hezron [Hezron, according to I Chronicles 2, lived to a great age and even had a child posthumously, so it is entirely possible that there are no gaps despite the 400 year span between Judah entering Egypt and Caleb leaving it], who was the son of Pharez, who was the son of Judah by his daughter-in-law, Tamar, then Othniel is also of the tribe of Judah: “And Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb’s younger brother, captured it. And he gave him Achsah his daughter for a wife.” (Judges 1:13, ESV)

    It seems strange that the writer could mess up his point so badly, but then again I remember hearing a young pastor say that after the Philistines stole the Ark of the Covenant, the men of Jabesh-Gilead stole it back again by night – thus mixing the story of the Ark’ return with the story of the recovery of King Saul’s body – so I suppose it is possible. He may have confused the presence of the Kenites in Othniel’s story (Judges 1:16) and in the genealogy of Judah (I Chronicles 2:55) with the tribe of Judah. However, the Kenites were not Edomites. As Judges 1:16 tells us, they were the descendants of Moses’ father in law, Jethro, the priest of Midian (Exodus 3:1). Incidentally, the Midianites were descendants of Abraham, by Keturah (Genesis 25:1-5). Jethro proved to be a wise advisor to Moses, instituting the system of judges (Exodus 18), and his son, Hobab, stayed with the Israelites to guide them through the wilderness (Numbers 10:29-32). So that is the origin of the Kenites. Later, one of their number, Jael, would kill Sisera (Judges 4:17-24), while another, Jehonadab the son of Rechab, helped Jehu carry out God’s curse against the house of Ahab (I Kings 10:15). Jehonadab, also know as Jonadab, gave a special charge to his descendants, telling them never to build houses or drink wine, a charge which Jeremiah later tested. When the Rechabites, as they were then called, kept the charge, Jeremiah gave them a promise from God that their line would never fail (Jeremiah 35). However, Jonadab’s charge reveals something about the strangers which lived among Israel – they were distinct: “‘You shall not drink wine, neither you nor your sons forever. 7 You shall not build a house; you shall not sow seed; you shall not plant or have a vineyard; but you shall live in tents all your days, that you may live many days in the land where you sojourn.” The Kenites or Rechabites long and faithful sojourn remind me of the description of Christians as pilgrims and strangers. In some ways, they were a continuation of Abraham’s lifestyle as wanderers who “looked for a city” (Hebrews 11:13-16).

    Another lot of stranger within Israel were the Nethinims, the temple servants, who did the hewing of wood and drawing of water for the work of the temple. They were the Gibeonites, which Canaanite city tricked Joshua into making a covenant with it (Joshua 9). As an aside, the Gibeonites servitude was the real fulfillment of Noah’s curse of Canaan (Genesis 9:25, Joshua 9:23). They served so the Temple so faithfully that they returned from the Babylonian captivity with the Jews (Ezra 7:7), helped Nehemiah rebuild the walls of Jerusalem (Nehemiah 3:26), and swore the covenant of obedience (Nehemiah 10:28). It is their example which makes me say we should keep our word about granting the nation of Israel. After Saul tried to wipe out the Gibeonites, in violation of Joshua’s covenant with them, even though that covenant was unadvisedly made, God visited Israel with famine for three years until Saul’s sons were killed in payment for Saul’s genocide (II Samuel 21:1-14). As Psalm 15 says, “he that swears to his own hurt and does not change” will never be moved. Something that the settlers of North America should have done well to remember before they violated their treaties with the natives. Sometimes I wonder if what is happening today is partly the consequences of our perfidy.

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  44. Apple version . . . G-D.

    Perhaps a better question would be to ask, WHY does God love Jerusalem so much?

    Because He chose it?

    Would anyone like to explain why the God who sent the Assyrians, Babylonians and others to destroy the Israelites because of their apostasy, then saw them attempt to destroy the Son he sent to save, why would He bless them now?

    I appreciate the comment above about the Palestinian Christians and I always tend to favor the underdogs . . .

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  45. I would recommend reading “The Siege” by Conor Cruise O’Brian. It will give a good, unbiased history on Zionism and the founding of Israel. I would disagree with the author of the article.

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  46. I don’t want to hog the thread, but Michelle, you asked 🙂 This is what came to mind when I read Jo’s comment about praying for Jerusalem:

    “Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.”
    (Galatians 4:24-26, ESV)

    In light of Paul’s interpretation, to me praying for the peace of Jerusalem is the same as praying for the peace of the Church, by praying for the rulers of our countries, “that we may live a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty” (I Timothy 2:2). This is not to say that we shouldn’t pray for the earthly Jerusalem, as we should pray for all places where conflict threatens innocent life. The Psalm (122) from which the “pray for the peace of Jerusalem” comes was written about David’s Jerusalem, but in the greater context of Scripture it looks forward to the new Jerusalem (Revelation 21:2).

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  47. I hope I am not misunderstood when I say this: I don’t think modern Israel was the one God meant when He said he would bless those who bless his people. Modern Israel is nothing more than a secular nation, not the “chosen people” of the Old Testament. That said, they are our strongest allies in the Middle East and we should help them in their battles against their enemies.

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  48. I taught on the Timothy passage today, Roscuro! Yes, I agree, we need to pray for rulers and certainly for the peace of Jerusalem since so many are agitated by events there, but I tend to agree with Peter right above me.

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  50. Karen, that is the thought with our church. The sermon on Sunday was on taking the time to lament. When David lamented over the death of Saul and Jonathon. He didn’t immediately go down and say “I’m king now”, he took the time to sorrow and bade the people to mourn as well. It was quite timely for the person I prayed with as she said she knew it was okay to mourn and to cry as well.

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  52. I guess I would agree about the nation of Israel, but God still has plans for that people and for that place. I feel we are to pray as Roscuro said, but also for Jerusalem itself as God continues to do His work there no matter how secular they are.

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