Our Daily Thread 9-29-12

Good Morning!

Happy Saturday!


Happy Anniversary to my lovely wife Cheryl.

I love you.



160 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 9-29-12

  1. Happy anniversary Allen and Cheryl. I hope that yours is as pleasant as mine was yesterday.

    Thanks to all those who wished me a Happy Anniversary yesterday. Lunch turned into a whole day and we had a great time.


  2. Good Saturday morning and a most blessed congratulations to AJ and the Mrs…and you,too, photoguy and Mrs…a wonderful thing to celebrate!
    Since being back in Colorado, my sleep has been so messed up….that two hours difference isn’t adjusting back to “normal”…I’m waking at 4 in the morning and crashing at 8 in the evening…I’m toast, but, I’ll be there on time Monday morning for jury duty! 😆


  3. Happy Anniversary Mr & Mrs AJ. Did I know it was Photoguy’s anniversary?
    Happy Belated anniversary. Sounds like Mr & Mrs Photoguy had a nice one.
    My wife came back home to me about six yesterday.

    I missed the comics yesterday. I’ll have to go all the way back to Thursday to look.


  4. Hey y’all, I’d like to invite you to take a look at the latest completed carving project over on my facebook page. Email me at jpunderw at yahoo dot com if you don’t know how to get there.


  5. Kevin Berasley on September 28, 2012 at 10:20 pm said:
    Peter, did you forget that it’s Friday? You know what that means!

    Chas on September 29, 2012 at 7:47 am said:
    I found them. Peter must have delegated the comics to Kevin. B.

    Thanks, Kevin. No, Chas. I forgot Thursday and I just couldn’t get here yesterday, since I didn’t get home until 10PM last night. It was homecoming week at school, and the football game promised to be a nail-biter, so I went. It’s a 40 mile drive from home to school, so I didn’t come home before the game. A nail biter it was, indeed. Our school is ranked 5th in Class 2A in Illinois. Usually, a school has homecoming against a push-over. But we played the number 2 in state Class 1A school. Yeah, you guessed it. The game was not decided until we intercepted a pass with two minutes left and an 11 point lead.

    I’m glad this week is over. Now, school can get back


  6. Happy anniversary AJ and Mrs. Also a belated happy anniversary to Mr. & Mrs Photoguy!

    It’s supposed to be hot here today – perfect for one last (hopefully) lawn mowing.


  7. Re. MIM’s 11:22 on yesterday’s political thread:

    “The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. I Cor. 2:14 NIV


  8. A very Happy Anniversary to you and your wife, The Real.

    A belated congratulations on your anniversary, Photoguy.

    This packing to go away for a year is difficult, so many decisions, so many little details to be worked out.

    Which makes a good QoD: If you had to leave home and most of your possessions behind, what three things would you absolutely have to take with you, for personal or practical reasons? A Bible is already assumed of course.


  9. Roscuro/Phos: I would take photos for sure. But I can’t think of anything else I could not get once I got there.

    I have not been around here much since I cannot get this site at school. New network filters prevent blogs for some reason. So, would you please remind me again, where and why are you going?


  10. Peter, I never actually said where I was going for discretionary reasons. That was on World – here might be more private. I am going to do medical missions work. The station is isolated, so most things I can get here, I can’t get there.


  11. Those were fun videos!

    It makes me kind of sad to see how happy the Arnazs were and realize they divorced later. I bet films like this are precious to their kids.

    MIM’s work is beautiful.

    My husband was commissioned an ensign 35 years ago this weekend. We were married ten days later. It’s been a terrific life.

    However, it was only on our eleventh anniversary that we had spent more anniversaries together than apart. This year Ill be on a week-long work retreat so he’ll have to look up some of the fruit of our wedding to celebrate!

    So, Phos, if we wanted to donate to your “trip”–since I suspect we are in part responsible– how would we do that?

    If you go to my website, I have a contact page or our mutual friend can contact me through FB.

    Bible, pictures, camera– would you contact me? I have an idea.


  12. Congrats to AJ & Mrs on all the blessed years together that have led you to this anniversary. May you be dancing together to “Smoke Gets in Your Eyes” for many years to come.


  13. Good morning. Happy anniversary to AJ and Photoguy!

    Roscuro: Good luck packing for your new adventure! I think it is so admirable that you are going to do medical mission work. My sister and her family are currently serving with Samaritan’s Purse in Kibigora, Rwanda, for a year. They arrived mid-August and her husband has already saved many lives as a general surgeon. It is so tragic that there are so few doctors in third world countries. The statistics on # of doctors available for the population is something staggeringly small. What is the Bible verse that says something like, “The workers are few, but the need is great?” (This is a paraphrase; can’t remember the exact wording or verse). I had the opportunity to speak with my sister yesterday on the phone. Things are going well, but she and the kids are quite homesick. She said the suffering is so great it is sometimes overwhelming, but that she is so glad to have the opportunity to share God’s love with this underserved population. When do you leave? I’ll be praying for you. May your journey be filled with joy!


  14. My new job continues to be wonderful. My prayer is “Dear God, don’t let me screw this up”. We had agreed that I would be paid on the “first and the fifteenth”. I received my pay yesterday (still haven’t received my last check from Guy I Used to Work With). When Cal handed me my pay envelope he told me there was a little something extra to help out with gas to and from work until we could get things moving and I could start earning some commissions off of what the agents sold. When I got to the bank this morning there were 5 twenties= $100 in cash to help. I can’t tell you what it means to have my efforts rewarded. I am very thankful for this job.

    I went to the local jewelry store just a little while ago to buy Mr. P’s wedding ring. (I will have the diamond band that fits with the engagement ring and for a plain band I have my mother’s wide platinum band I can wear). The women in the jewelry store wanted to know why “I” (in bold) needed a wedding band. One of them started laughing at me and said she was there when I emphatically stated I would NEVER get married again!

    Mr. P and I will meet with the minister tomorrow afternoon to discuss everything but the plan is to get married NEXT Sunday after church (with a nod and a wink to Chas and Elvera)

    I had not planned to tell you all what I was up to but roscuro/Phos prompted me to go ahead and say something. I know last year everyone sent well wishes to me to forward to Cheryl. Some of you included gift cards and such. P and I are combining two households and will have to put some things in storage until we build or buy a house. We have everything we need. If any of you would like to commemorate our marriage in any way please contribute to the medical mission trip. This is fitting as P works in the medical field and has expressed an interest in doing something like this.


  15. Hubby is in Alabama for the weekend on a golf trip with a bunch of guys he’s been friends with since elementary school. I’m hoping it’s not raining on them. We miss him as he had to go on a dove hunt last weekend for business and is very rarely gone two weekends in a row. My youngest (Becca) burst into tears Friday morning as he was leaving for the airport. I’m glad he doesn’t have to travel much for work; it’s nice having him home every evening.

    We’re having a lazy Saturday here in Houston. Oldest slept ’til 10:00. She had a dear friend spend the night last night and I have no idea what time they went to bed. I cratered around 11:00. At that point, they were in bed with lights out but were still talking quietly. Becca is painting pictures and hoping someone can come over for a playdate this afternoon. Nothing is on the agenda for the day, which is incredibly rare. I’m enjoying immensely the slow-pace of this day after a very busy week!


  16. Yes. Very generous, Kim, but what will Phos do with a silver punch bowl on the mission field? 🙂


    I SO much wish I could be in your church next Sunday. My dream wedding come true!


  17. P brings a crystal punch bowl into the marriage so I really won’t be needing an additional one, now on the other hand he is also bringing only 6 sterling silver gumbo spoons. I would love to have a complete set of 8 so I would graciously let Phos used them for a year if she would forward them to me upon her return. (Didn’t she once say something about the healing properties of silver?) 😉


  18. Cheryl, I answered you.

    The Fair. Hopefully the thing learned this year is communication. One of the boys missed his sheep showing because he neglected to tell us when he needed to be there. Apparently he was told to be there before seven but when I asked if there were any changes to plans in the evening, he did not offer it. That is common with these children especially as they compartmentalize, holding onto a bit of control. Sadly, it backfires on them. Your ride needs to know when the ride is going.

    But there were several blue ribbons and red ribbons and that sort of thing. Fun is being had by all.


  19. Good evening. Well, either I am so close to dementia I don’t know what time it is, or the gray sky overhead is confusing me whether it is night or day. The chickens are confused also because we turn a light on early with a timer so they think it is time to lay eggs. If they could think, they might say, wWe are slaves! We should revolt and overthrow those people who enslave us and feed us and protect us from the predators . . . . Well, if they could think, at that point a light bulb might come one and they would say, Oh! We are just dumb chickens

    Anyway, it is later than I think, is it not?

    AQOD: Besides coming to believe in God (something I assume is true for all who participate here except me), have you ever changed your mind about some big, serious matter? What was your old conviction; what is your new conviction; how did the change come about?


  20. Ooh, so many congratulations in order! And isn’t Cheryl’s (formerly Cheryl D) anniversary coming up real soon, too??

    Phos, in my mind you’ll look just like Sister Luke/Audrey Hepburn. Oh wait. Wrong church. 🙂 Will you get to wear some kind of little missionary outfit, though? 🙂

    Michelle, I’ll be in contact with you via FB.

    Nancy, how does your jury duty system work there? Bring a book or a Kindle. As Adios says, you can always nap a lot — but the worst part of jury duty is all the waiting around and sitting in that crowded room. I wonder if, in the ‘olden’ days, they used to allow smoking there? Ewww. Now that would have been full-on misery. Well, I guess unless you were a smoker.

    I’m off to take my friend in the assisted living facility (and her friend, Patsy), out for a big shopping trip to Walmart, the Dollar Tree, and lunch at McDonald’s. It’s a tight squeeze to get the 2 walkers in the Jeep, but we managed it last time so everything really does fit if pushed and juggled and jiggled just right.

    It’s also our church’s turn to do the casseroles for the mission this week so I think I’m going to try to get that done before I go to pick up the gals. Got the shopping done for it last night.


  21. Roscuro/Phos, I tried but somehow can’t find any e-mails from you (and, thus, your address). But I see you got in touch. If you still have my e-mail address, could you e-mail me again so I have it? Thanks!


  22. Kim: Congratulations on the wedding! I pray all the details will come together smoothly and you will enjoy this most precious event. It is a true mystery how God makes one out of two. Of course, it’s not as if you will instantly feel like one. That takes time. According to our pastor’s sermon last week, it takes most people on average of ten years to go from thinking of “me” to “we.” So, be patient with each other and forgive freely. I’m so excited for you!


  23. Random, for me it would be abortion (though that was a pretty natural outflow of my conversion experience). Not that I ever thought abortion was “ok,” but I was felt it should be legal.

    Coming to believe in God — and seeing life as nothing short of a divine wonder — I came to see how really evil and wrong it was for a society to say, in effect, it’s OK if you want to go ahead and do that.

    For many years I also was opposed to the death penalty. That’s an issue I continue to wrestle with. I know most of my fellow church goers are supporters of the death penalty — and I do think the case can be made biblically that the government “bears the sword” for those kinds of purposes in carrying out justice.

    But it’s always been a tough one for me and I especially recoil at the people who seem to rejoice and glory in executions, no matter how horrible the deeds of the person were.

    But in general, I once had quite liberal political views — now, not so much, though I still have a curious mix of ideas that make it not always easy to “fit in” with either of the major political parties. But on balance, I’m definitely more conservative than I am liberal these days, on most things anyway.

    How about you? What “big” issues have you changed your mind about?


  24. Used to think public school was adequate, now I don’t.
    Used to think children were annoying, now I don’t.
    Used to think killing children is okay if needed, now I don’t.
    Used to think people were all better than me, now I don’t.
    Used to think death was the end, now I don’t.

    Now I think school is very important and parents are responsible for the education of their children, academically as well as emotionally, mentally, physically, and spiritually.

    Now I think children are an absolute blessing.

    Now I think children start out as people and there is no reason to kill them, inconvenience definitely not a reason.

    Now I think people are much the same all over, made in the Image of God with feelings and ideas much like mine.

    Now I think I am living eternally from the day I was made alive in Him.

    God is working.


  25. Let’s see,
    I used to believe in population control
    I have actually donated money to that cause and to the Sierra Club
    I used to think abortion was OK
    I used to think my father was a conspiracy theorist
    I used to think I never wanted children
    I used to think I was a sinner and there was no way God would ever forgive me
    I used to think God had abandoned me

    I used to think a lot of things.


  26. Three things I would want to take would be pens, paper and reference books. I suppose an Ipod that could access the internet might suffice for all three of those things and more.

    Random, I changed my view on abortion. I once was pro-choice and now I am pro-life. I once did not believe much in prayer and now I spend a good bit of time in prayer. I once rarely spent time reading the Bible and now I try to read it each day. I once did not recognize sin in my life or the lives of others because I did not know God’s word enough to know what that word meant (living outside of the way God would have us to live). Now I admit to being a sinner and ask forgiveness as is necessary. These are a few of the changes.

    Just curious, Random. Do you have a higher authority than yourself, outside or over and above, the legal system of the land? By this question, I mean to ask what guides your moral behavior other than your own feelings in the moment?
    Christians don’t always live up to God’s prescribed way but He guides us and helps us to think to do the right thing. When we fail, He gives us opportunity to consider what we have done and make things right. He offers forgiveness when we come to Him asking. It is humbling, thinking more of Him and how we have failed Him than we think of our pride and the attitude that our own desires rule us.


  27. Kim, I was a member of the Sierra Club for a while — they offered great weekly moonlight “training” hikes up and down some hills near where I lived in my 30s. There’s a group near where I live now that goes out every Tuesday night with their dogs — I see them returning as I’m driving home from work sometimes.

    But I’ve heard that particular hike is rather grueling (up and down the ocean cliffs). Many of the people I see are older than I am, though, these fast-walking reedy men & women who could probably walk across country at the age of 80!

    But, yes, population control.

    Odd, but I still hear a lot of folks “complaining” about those who have big families. I just heard someone doing that at work the other day, going on about someone they knew who they thought were just having “too many” children.

    First of all, why is it any of their business? And to me now, big families are a joy, a reason to rejoice — besides, they’re just picking up the slack for people like me who had no kids, right? 🙂


  28. QoD: Pictures/papers box, laptop, cellphone

    AQoD: I was once a raging agnostic, but now I am a Christ follower. Back then, during the Vietnam War, I bought into the whole democracy by force thing, now I am a great believer in non-violence.


  29. I’m a believer in non-violence too, although in fairness I think the notion behind the Vietnam effort was in “holding the line” against the advance of communism at the time in that region.

    It may have been wrong-headed and poorly executed (it was definitely the latter), but I think the idea more was defending one side against the advance of a dictatorship.

    I am grateful that our country offers a conscientious objector status to its citizens, however, and I see that as a legitimate option for some especially tender Christians.

    Interesting to see how many here were once pro-choice in abortion, isn’t it? My roommates father was a member of the Knights of Columbus and I remember in the late ’70s how they were conducting protests. At the time, I thought how against “women’s rights” that was.

    But that said, I remember recoiling when I’d here of women in college who got abortions basically as an after-thought to birth control. One woman I know had several abortions, which I found absolutely shocking even in my “pro-choice” days.


  30. AQoD: Like many here, I used to believe abortion should be legal and a woman’s choice. In fact, my very words used to be, “While I wouldn’t do it, I think it is a woman’s right to choose it.”

    I have changed how I view nutrition monumentally in the last months (although, I was heading down that road in thinking for quite some time before we actually acted on it.)

    I used to lean Liberal politically, and no longer do so.

    I used to be staunchly for the death penalty, and now … not so much. The biggest reason? 1) Because how can someone repent and come to Jesus if they’re dead? and the second? 2) Because our criminal justice system makes way too many mistakes for me to trust it not to make one in something like this.


  31. Oh, a HUGE one. I used to strongly believe in public school (my father was a teacher for 30 years, my mother a teacher’s aid — not to my father — for about 30 years, my sister is a teacher, I am a teacher).

    In fact, I used to be ANTI-homeschooling. I thought it was wrong. I thought parents couldn’t do it. I thought kids were hurt by it. I was very much against it.

    Now, I’m a homeschooling mom, and quite adamantly for it (although I do recognize its flaws. Every system … and I’ve done them all now — public school, private school, charter school, and homeschool — all of them have their flaws.) Still, I am now homeschooling! And, that was a HUGE change in my thinking. 😉


  32. Seriously. I didn’t just NOT like homeschooling. I was ANTI homeschooling. 🙂 Bizarre change.

    Not like me either. I tend to be very … well, wishy-washy is NOT the right term. What would be the positive version of that?

    Nevertheless, I can see all the various arguments, and so I can honestly hold an opinion and still recognize the value of a different opinion. I am willing to change given the right evidence. And, I rarely hold an opinion without SOME reservations.

    But, not with homeschooling. I was just plain against it.

    Ah, how God does change us, no? 🙂


  33. Donna,

    I am glad that you are not implying that I am a Communist. [Replying to an earlier message] on a previous day’s thread, I think.]

    In the history of humanity, we can find many examples of humans doing evil things to each other. Catholics killed and tortured each other in the Inquisition. Protestants in England tortured and killed so-called witches and engaged in genocidal actions against Irish, and aborigines in Australia and North America. Soviet and Chinese Communists killed millions of Christians.

    In every religious group, every secular group, one can find examples of terrible actions as well as examples of wonderful, altruistic, and caring actions. I wasn’t present for any of these activities, but I accept the generally accepted historical record as reasonably true.

    There is no point in comparing who was “worse” or “better” as a group. We can’t go back and change the past. All we can do is live in the present and behave as well as we can. I noticed that there was a “hate crime” conviction of some Amish who cut off beards and hair from other Amish. I am not sure how to regard such an incident.

    For one thing, I’ve always thought of the Amish as the most peaceful and tolerant of all groups, and as a kind of epitome of peaceful and tolerant Christian ideals put into practice. On the other hand, merely cutting off hair rather than heads (and other more vulnerable parts of human anatomy) is rather peaceful comparatively speaking.

    Equally confusing to me is the conviction of the offenders by a secular court. Is this an example of Christians being persecuted? Or an example of Christians being protected?


  34. God does really change us, amen.

    And while it’s not for every family, I’ve seen some remarkable products of homeschooling among my friends. I mean remarkable (as in producing stunning successes — at younger than normal ages — at Ivy League colleges and beyond).

    But the anti-homeschooling feeling is still very much alive, I see it in the eyes of every education reporter when the topic comes up; the eyes glaze over or actually almost roll in condescention. 😀


  35. I’m reading through a book written by an author who Tammy (and my doctor) recommended — high protein, but what’s interesting is the history behind obesity as it’s been studied in various populations through the years. “Why We Get Fat and What to do About It” by Gary Taubes.

    My doctor says Taubes’ more academic treatment of the subject — “Good Calories, Bad Calories” — is making the rounds among the medical community.


  36. That Amish case is odd. And one of the defendants is named Mullet. 😉 Too weird?

    But in a word, sin. And no, even if we close ourselves off in a farming community where no modern conveniences are allowed, where there is no TV and no radio and no Internet — there will be sin to deal with and mourn over, in our nation, in our neighbors and, most importantly to see and know, in ourselves.

    “If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
    ― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956


  37. In reply to another question comment. I don’t recognize a higher power. Humans are animals with very large brains. I don’t know how the universe came into existence. We can be vicious and destructive and we can be kind and caring. It’s all part of our evolution. I have never killed another human being (as far as I know, but I have walked in my sleep at least once or twice, so the issue may be in doubt more than I know). I have been educated and “brainwashed” by my culture, my friends, and my family. (Haven’t you?) Less than 5% of humans seem to be sociopaths. Most humans seem to be reluctant to kill other humans. Organizations such as police forces and military have to invest a lot of time and effort into overcoming the natural reluctance to kill. I have killed rabbits and squirrels. I felt a little queasiness but I have trained myself to be a killer, at least of small animals. Should I work on educating myself to kill higher animals? If so, why?


  38. I always knew I needed the Lord.
    I always liked maps.
    I always liked airplanes and wanted to be a P-51 pilot when I was a kid.
    I always liked girls, but I changed my mind about which ones a couple of times.
    I was always conservative.
    I never believed in abortion nor homosexual marriage, or taxing certain people.
    What else?
    I’ve always been me, for good or bad.
    It’s never too late to change. But maybe so.


  39. A recent exchange with Mickey of World Mag Blog fame produced this response:

    Hi Michelle:

    Thank you for sharing the good news from the blog regulars. We’re glad to hear how God continues to work through these relationships. And we’re glad you all are still able to stay in touch through the new Wandering Views site.

    Take care.



  40. I have changed my mind on homosexuality. As a child, I hardly knew what a “fag” or a “queer” was, but I saw those words written on walls and thought they represented something terrible. As I grew into adolescence, I realized I was heterosexual. I was very shy with women, and very slow to gain experience with women. I married the first woman who did not reject me. I suspect her reasons were similar (taking into account that men and women are different).

    As I grew up I met very strong and “macho” men who were not insecure about themselves and were very relaxed around homosexuals. I realized that homosexuals were just ordinary people with very odd “wiring” in their sexuality. I also as a public school teacher observed a great deal of bullying and unpleasantness toward children who were regarded as “different” in some way. The most common type of bullying and “scapegoating” was against children perceived (sometimes correctly sometimes incorrectly) as homosexual. It was very difficult to eradicate such behavior among children. Bullying can appear in any group and be directed toward any group. When I taught in a mostly black school, the black students bullied white students. I am sure in a group where Christians or Muslims predominate; the other group is most likely to be bullied. I did teach in a high school that received quite a few Iranians (at the time the Shah was toppling). Although as strangers to America, the Iranians were nervous and awkward (and probably bullied a bit by the American majority, though we (teachers) strove to prevent such behavior, we did after a while detect some of the Iranians bullying a few of their own peers. After we sorted it all out (difficult with language, etc.) we realized the Muslim Iranians were picking on the Jewish Iranians.

    Please don’t tell me that Christian children never engage in such behavior.

    The food and medical comments are interesting. If I don’t get my lazy butt up off this chair where I am sitting and persecuting the good people of this web site, I may fall over dead this minute. So I am going to go to the gym right now and then do an errand my wife wants me to do, or she may sic one of the hens on me. As men learn to say, “Yes, dear.”

    Oh, yes, it never occurred to my wife and I to reject our daughter when she told us that she was going to marry her female roommate. However, well I will write that later. If I don’t go senile first.


  41. Hi Mumsee,

    Your question can lead to some very, very long posts. 🙂

    So, leaving out the “why” of what we are doing, as well as the “how” of how it works, I’ll just tell you the “what.”

    1) Regular meals with low-carb/starch snacks between meals, for a total of 6 “meals” a day (we eat six times a day.)

    2) Moderately low carb and going lower. Starches, and carbs of any sort, are not necessary … despite what we’ve been told. Our bodies make glucose from what we eat … protein and fat too.

    3) Less gluten. I’d avoid it all together if it weren’t so difficult. The bread and wheat we eat now-a-days changed substantially from the the 1970s. And, for many people, it was already a problem even before the changes (due to how much it has changed since Biblical times). So, no breads, no cereals, no cakes, no pastas … my kids eat a bit of this stuff. I eat virtually none of it.

    4) So, we eat protein of all sorts (although, preferably grass-fed or natural fed when I can afford it); vegetables of all sorts, including tons of salad (organic, when I can afford it); my kids eat some fruit (I will too, once I reach my goal weight); nuts; seeds; and berries (very moderately while we’re losing weight).

    I recommend watching the following:

    UCTV’s “The Skinny on Obesity” (listen to the professor and basically ignore the outside people that they interview).

    *Wheat Belly* by Dr. William Davis

    Gary Taubes (as Donna suggested)

    The movie *Fat Head* http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/70115017?strkid=623402970_0_0&trkid=222336&movieid=70115017 (This is fun to watch, because it is quite entertaining as well as enlightening.)

    This works for more than 80% of people, especially people inclined toward diabetes. It has certainly been working in our family.


  42. Random, I’m told by Christian parents that, indeed, raising children — early believers or not — has done much to convince them of our natural human bent toward sin. 😉

    I’ve worked with and known (and been related to) gays for a long time now. I once would have had no problem with gay marriage.

    While I still work with and know and like many gay people, I’ve come to see sanctioning gay marriage as a wrong road for a society to go down.

    I also am seeing some very real-life conflicts that are pitting religious freedom of conscience against a secular society that more and more refuses to accept that there is any legitimate “opposing” view on the matter of gay marriage.

    It’s bound to get more interesting.

    I said “high protein” and that obviously over-simplifies the nutrition issue. Tammy can tell you much more.

    Although now that she’s back swigging the Diet Coke …

    Casserole is done, ready for the refrigerator (the new refrigerator that I still LOVE-love-love); dishwasher is running, counters are cleaned. Time to pick up my shopper (one has since dropped out of the expedition).


  43. We also avoid high-fructose corn syrup like the plague, and really try to use very little sugar other than what is found naturally in fruits, because “God packaged the antidote with the poison” in the case of fruit. It is full of fructose (which is metabolized differently than other sugars in the liver, but the fruit balances this out with lots of fiber that counteracts the negative effects of the fructose.)


  44. Happy Anniversary, Allen & Cheryl!

    Photoguy, sounds like you and your wife had a very nice day yesterday.

    QoD: I never go anywhere anymore, but when I used to travel a little, I had a hard time “traveling light”; it would be hard for me to narrow it down to only three things if I had to leave home.

    AQoD: I’ve changed my mind on a few things.

    1. Seeing children as blessings and receiving as many as the Lord would give us, in His timing rather than our own. We would not have 4th, 5th or 6th Arrows if God had not turned my and my husband’s hearts in that area. I cannot imagine life without them (and all of our precious children).

    2. Vaccinations: I’ve changed “camps” more than once on this issue. Started out doing vaccinations without thinking about why. It’s just what people did, as far as I knew. Several years later I changed my mind for reasons I’ll not go into at this time. Several years after that, I changed my mind again, and started getting my children’s vaccinations back up to date. And then, after seeing the drastic deterioration on many levels in my youngest child at the time, 5th Arrow, after he began getting shots at 19 months, I stopped vaccinating, except for allowing one shot for tetanus (which also includes diphtheria and pertussis) for 6th Arrow, which is a vaccine that I think makes sense.

    3. Public schools: I’m a former p.s. teacher, having resigned after 2nd Arrow was born 19 years ago to be home with my kids. I kept my teaching license current for a while by taking graduate courses, in case I would ever go back to school teaching. However, I cannot bring myself to consider going back to teaching in the government schools anymore. Too many young minds are being corrupted with a secular humanistic worldview, and I refuse to be a part of a system like that, no matter how much I think I could make a difference in the lives of the children I would teach. I can reach out to children much more effectively and share my faith with them one-to-one through private music lessons (as I have done). I can’t talk about Jesus in the secular school system.


  45. As for the term “paleo,” I agree with this guy (Chris Kresser), “I really wish there was a word (other than paleo) I could use to describe a nutrient-dense, toxin-free, whole-foods based diet. Because that’s kind of a mouthful, and it leaves a lot open to interpretation. A raw-food vegan could hear me say that and think I’m talking about their diet. I’m not.

    So I go on using the term “paleo” to loosely refer to a diet that emphasizes animal protein and fats, starchy & non-starchy vegetables, fermented foods, raw dairy (when tolerated) and fruit, nuts & seeds (in moderation).”



  46. Wow, Kim, that is very generous, thank you. Yes, silver is used in some wound dressings, as an antibacterial, but I don’t think a punch bowl would have the proper alloy – though maybe it could be used as a foot-washing basin 😉 😛

    Michelle and Cheryl, emails have been sent.

    I was at a family function, hence the delay in response time.


  47. AQoD:

    My answer is pretty much like most other people’s here, but I’ll answer anyway. You say, “Besides coming to believe in God…” but upon being persuaded of the triune God, the basic premise of my whole belief system was turned around and most of my other beliefs followed.

    When I was atheist/agnostic, I believed that we were each autonomous–that we “belonged to ourselves” and were ultimately accountable to ourselves alone. That was fundamental to my belief system and I distinctly remember when I was as young as preschool age, the conscious thought that, “It’s my me.” This was my internal thinking at that age whenever it was suggested that I had any kind of obligation to anyone or anything outside of obligations I placed upon myself. I’m glad that I remember that phrase so clearly because it’s such a concrete reminder to me of the turnaround God worked in me and how deeply ingrained my prior thinking really was.

    So one can pretty well guess what I believed prior to my conversion about most issues based on that premise.


  48. Ree states it well. To ask someone “Besides coming to believe in God …” is like saying, “Tell me about the car accident, but don’t mention the cars.”

    Once you do decide to believe, it can (and should) affect every other aspect of your life.


  49. 6 Arrows: Tetanus is certainly an important vaccine – it is like rabies, there isn’t much they can do for you if you get it. There are definitely unneccessary vaccines, like those for chicken pox and flu. However, I don’t think many people realize how serious a disease measles is and why they started vaccines for it. It is the sixth leading cause of death worldwide, just below tuberculosis and malaria. In our better nourished society, it isn’t as likely to kill, but the virus disables the immune system for months afterward, making people dangerously vulnerable to other sicknesses.


  50. Re- No carb diets: It is true that we make glucose from what we eat. Even a diabetic, who cannot use their blood sugar, can break down proteins into glucose. However, in so doing, they are releasing ketones, a protein byproduct into their bloodstream. This by-product is toxic, especially to the brain. If the ketoacidosis is not treated, the person will slip into a coma and die. There have been reports that people on things like the Atkins diet have developed similar conditions. Carbohydrates are one of the three basic nutrients of biological systems and are vital to cellular respiration. Certainly, there are too many refined carbohydrates being consumed in modern diets, but it will only create another imbalance to eliminate them completely. If modern wheat varieties bother people, try ancient, traditional ones like kamut or spelt. Bread is still the staff of life.


  51. Yes, Tammy, it doesn’t make much sense, does it? To ask the question that way is to reveal how little one understands what it means to be converted to Christ.

    But it also sounds strange to me to talk about “deciding to believe.” When I became persuaded of the truth of the Christian faith, I could not help but to believe. When it comes to actively trusting, though, that’s where I see the decision process being an issue.


  52. I knew someone years ago at work who was 21 and obese. She also had a heart condition from birth. She went on one of the high protein diets and died. It was really sad because she was on only child. One thing that made it so awful was our boss did not believe she was all that ill when she was in the hospital. He was pretty harsh with her, thinking she was just exagerating. I was one of the few who visited her in the hospital. I also sent her a card/note/letter. I was living at home at the time and had gone out. My mother had put a letter that came in the mail from her on my bed. I got the letter the same day I heard she died. 😦 Our whole office went to her funeral. I never knew if my boss had regrets over how he had treated her.


  53. I was put on a diet for diabetes early this year. I strickly stuck to it until I lost enough weight to fall out of the range of having diabetes. I have kept the weight off that I lost but have not lost more because I have not strickly followed the diet. I still am careful but don’t stick to the small portions as much as I use to. The carbs were a part of the diet but portions would be like one piece of bread for a sandwich or half a biscuit. It was a well-balanced diet with a great variety of healthy foods. I was really surprised that it included so many foods. I am thinking of following it more closely now for a time since I am trying to be a part of the 40 Days of Prayer and Fasting for the election season.

    I am very happy with Tammy’s results for her whole family. It makes a difference if everyone is agreeable to changing their dietary habits in a family or workplace. I have not really had that much support along those lines.


  54. No one has mentioned that they would take a roll of Duct Tape with them as one of the three items. This week my son was having difficulty with the latch on his computer and I suggested duct tape as a remedy. Since his cell phone is still lost and we only communicate a few words by e-mail I don’t know what he thought of the duct tape suggestion. Well, my guess is he thought it was TACKY. Sorry, I know that was silly.


  55. Chas, I was thinking you were a dispensationalist. I’m glad. I was raised with it too, though more as something that was “assumed” than as something that was ever taught (as to how it’s different than other systems, for example). Once I started actual reading about it, I was very quickly convinced it’s an artificial way of interpreting Scripture.

    For one thing, prophecy just isn’t something we’re supposed to treat that way, that we know in advance exactly what will happen when. We’re supposed to see it come to pass and say, “Ah, that is what it meant! But of course, it had to play out that way.”

    But the Jewish sages would never have imagined that the Messiah they were waiting for would be God Himself, that He would be born of a virgin, that He would be crucified, that He would be resurrected from the dead, or that He was not coming to establish an earthly kingdom at all. Those elements were all there in prophecy, but they didn’t recognize them until they happened. I think the end of the ages will prove likewise.


  56. Eating healthy carbs but cutting out the highly refined ones has worked well for me. I started following Dr. Ann’s Eat Right for Life program a year ago. I was reluctant to cut out the diet Pepsi, but Dr. Ann’s book said that artificial sweeteners distort our sense of what is sweet. So I gave it up, and I was amazed at the result. Now I can enjoy plain yogurt, unsweetened cereal, blackstrap molasses, coffee with only skim milk added.

    I cut out what Dr. Ann calls the “great white hazards” – white sugar, white flour, white rice, and white potatoes, all of which have a high glycemic load (even though the potatoes aren’t refined – apparently they’re that way naturally). I switched to whole wheat bread, brown rice, sweet potatoes, and while I don’t avoid products with sugar entirely (Dr. Ann considers chocolate OK if it’s at least 60% cacao, breakfast cereals if they have at least 5 g fiber and no more than 10 g sugar), I cut back a lot.

    I have had no food cravings since then. I get hungry between meals, but I have plenty of healthy snacks I can eat – fruit, nuts, raw veggies with hummus, sometimes a granola bar (I get the ones with the most fiber and least sugar). I’ve lost at least 35 pounds, and dropped about two sizes (I think – it’s hard to tell because women’s clothes aren’t sized consistently – I currently wear clothes with tags marked sizes 10, 12, and 14).

    Occasionally I do have something that has refined carbs, such as at church coffee hours, or when we are traveling and stop for a meal at a fast food restaurant. But I find it remarkably easy (compared to how it used to be when I was trying to eat healthy) to go back to my normal eating habits after that brief “disruption.”


  57. I find it hard to eat properly. I have many food allergies, so snacks like nuts or an apple are out. I find I crave sugar all the time. I admire you all for being able to change your eating habits – it is encouraging me to try again, a bit harder, to eat smaller portions and eliminate the ‘whites’. I know I felt better when I was able to do that once before.


  58. Pauline, the one I would wonder about is white rice. A very good portion of the world has rice has a huge portion of their diet . . . and one of my brothers was amazed when traveling in India to find that they eat white rice and not brown. (I can’t speak for other rice-producing, high-rice-diet areas.) I have a hunch that rice is a lot better for us nutritionally than it is given credit for.


  59. Kare, I’ve never eliminated sugar from my diet, never tried to. That’s partly because genetically I have had a tendency to be underweight and no risk at all for diabetes. (I have gained quite a few pounds in the 11+ months since my wedding, so it looks like I can’t be as casual about eating anything I want to and not worrying about it, but my tendency for all my life, more than 40 years, has been to eat more than I wanted, if anything, to avoid being too underweight.)

    But with sugar, I have heard from several people who eliminated it totally for a period of time that once you get past a few months, you have no craving and really no interest in it. It’s worth a try if you want to get rid of it.

    (And everything I’ve heard about diet drinks makes me very strongly opposed. If I get one accidentally, I dump it. I will not drink the stuff.)


  60. Cheryl,
    The type of rice they use in India is usually basmati, which has a lower glycemic index and higher nutrition than other white rice. I haven’t tried it myself, but perhaps I will try buying some next time I need rice.


  61. In my teens, I cut out all sugar (using honey as an alternative) and all white flour out of my diet. I did this to see if I could bring my asthma under control. It worked. Afterward, I found any sort of manufactered dessert was sickeningly sweet. I am no longer on such a strict diet, although I still limit my sugar intake, since too much will cause my symptoms to worsen. Sometimes, when everyone else is having something like ice cream and cake, I’ll take a small portion, but I really don’t enjoy a lot of sweet things anymore. A little goes a long way.


  62. Phos,

    Even doctors get it confused. As a (former?) diabetic, and with a son who is diabetic, I can tell you with absolute confidence that Ketoacidosis is NOT the same as Ketosis, which is the burning of fat. You MUST go into ketosis if you plan on losing any fat. Ketosis is “fat burning.”

    And, my numbers in the last six months have never been better. My HBA1c, my cholesterol, my … well, you name it and it is better. My doctor is thrilled. I am a far healthier person.

    People (usually doctors) who have never really studied it (doctors, if they’re lucky, get about 1 semester of nutrition in medical school, and, of course, it is the standard nutrition that hasn’t worked for 25 years) say all KINDS of things, but they have actual little knowledge. While I don’t do Atkins, there really isn’t a single study that shows it is dangerous. In fact, when diets are compared directly, Atkins usually wins in just about all areas. Hands down.


  63. My understanding from my time in Okinawa is that the people think the same about rice as people here do about bread. For generations it was brown rice but then white refined rice came along and brown rice was a sign of poverty and white rice was a sign of wealth. Now it is cheaper to buy white rice and it stays in storage longer because the good stuff is gone from it. But they are beginning to suffer the consequences of “wealthy” eating.


  64. In addition, I want to carefully and kindly point out something that people often forget … vegetables and fruits have more than enough carbs to fill any possible “essential” carb need. And, they have enough fiber by far to fulfill our fiber needs. It’s not as if veggies and fruits are proteins or fats. 😉


  65. I did well with watching what I ate and exercising last year, but summer came and time allotment changed and I have fallen off the wagon but am planning to climb back on beginning Monday. Two or three of the girls will be joining me as they felt much better last spring with our exercise and eating plan.

    Anyway, I never made it off of the bp meds so will continue to strive toward that goal. Though I did lose over two times what the doctor had told me to lose. But then, I never went in to see the doctor either. You folks are an encouragement and I appreciate it.

    How are you doing, the real? Sticking with it? You had made tremendous progress.


  66. Mumsee,

    That, and there is a strong misunderstanding of the data as to just how much rice people in Okinawa ate. They honestly didn’t eat nearly as much as people assume they ate (with plenty of fish, veggies, etc. on top of it). And, as you mentioned, it was not the highly processed rice. And, finally, when people are barely getting enough to eat, then carbs don’t matter so much because they use them up way before they get turned into fat. Super high-powered athletes can eat a lot of carbs too because, with all their training, they use them up before Insulin has a chance to kick in and convert them to fat.

    If you’re a high-powered athlete, or living on subsistence rations, then more power to you. Most of us are not in such a position and need to lower our carbs, particularly carbs from WHEAT (90% plus of all wheat is a dwarf variety developed in the 1970s and with MUCH higher gluten content), and all carbs that have been highly processed.


  67. Tammy, that is something that continues to confuse me. People say they are on a no carb diet while eating veggies and I thought veggies were carbs.


  68. Janice,

    DEFINITELY Duct tape!!!!!

    And, if you had room, WD40.

    As they say, if it doesn’t move and it should? WD40.

    If it does move and it shouldn’t? Duct tape.



  69. I think that is why they have continued to remain mostly healthy, though I understand it is deteriorating now. So much veggies and fish in their diets countered the white rice. As well as what you said about smaller amounts consumed.


  70. No one (well, I should modify that, there really are a few people who get all their energy from ketosis), so VERY few people are on a no-carb diet, and I certainly don’t know any. People are usually on some version of a low-carb diet.

    Within that, they can range from “moderately low-carb” to “low carb” to “very low carb.”

    I’m probably moderate, but would like to move a little closer to low to push the weight loss a bit.

    To go on a “no carb” diet requires a care and a consistency that I don’t have, and which I could never convince my family to have. And, while it is not dangerous if you stick to it religiously, it is my understanding that it is dangerous to see-saw back and forth with it.

    So, I have no plans to go “no carb.” 🙂

    Most low-carb diets, including Atkins, are a version of low-carb, ranging from “low” low-carb when at the beginning (for about 2 weeks) to moderately low-carb the rest of the time. None of them advocate for no-carb.

    But, in the movement, there are a few extreme people who go fully no-carb. They are rare, however, and not what the vast majority do. 🙂 That is WAY to weird and disciplined for me. 😉


  71. Interestingly, the people who go “no carb” base it on the Inuit diet of pretty much all fish and seal blubber/meat. They couldn’t grow anything else, and they seemed to do just fine.

    Personally, I would find that kind of diet very, very boring. 😦


  72. I think Mumsee has hit it on the head with the types of rice too. We don’t realize just how much we’ve “played” with the genomes of the various carb staples. People in Biblical times wouldn’t recognize 90% of our wheat as “wheat.” Our rice has a very high glycemic index compared to old-fashioned Asian rice. It goes on and on. Our foods have been tampered with and processed to the point that we really don’t know what we’re eating, unless we’re smart enough and/or lucky enough to grow it ourselves.

    And, even then, the GMO foods are sneaking into our seeds. I read an article recently somewhere that said that 60% of our heritage seeds were contaminated with GMO seeds.

    Sadly, it isn’t required for the “tamperers” to prove that the foods are safe for humans, because they are just versions of regular food. But, when you’re messing with genomes, there could be all sorts of weird side-effects besides making the food grow faster, or be bug resistant.

    And, honestly, do you really believe that a food that will do bad things to a bug when it eats it doesn’t do SOMETHING to a human who eats it regularly?

    I don’t trust or like Monsanto (research them). They are the makers of Round-up, but they also now control the food market, and are a huge lobby group. They have our government in their pockets, and they have even managed to get the government to put pressure on other countries that don’t permit GMO foods, because they fear that they are not safe.

    Americans eat more GMO foods than anywhere else.


  73. Mr. P and I are watching football after an afternoon of putting a lot of his stuff in storage. I check in with all of you and told him what I had done today. He is all in favor of it and said he wishes Phos well on her mission trip.


  74. Tammy, from your description, you would have been a Type II diabetic. Type II diabetics develop resistance to their own insulin. It is reversible through diet, exercise and weight loss – so congratulations on your successful reversal. 90% of diabetics are Type II.
    Type I diabetics cannot produce insulin at all, and thus are often called insulin-dependent as they must receive injections of the hormone. They are the ones who go into ketoacidosis if they do not have insulin. Insulin is a transport portein produced by the pancreas which carries blood glucose into the cells to be used for cellular respiration. Yes, it also stimulates production of fatty acids if there are too many carbohydrates; but before medicinal insulin was developed, Type I diabetics would waste away, because they could not use the food they ate. When I said that there had been reports of a similar condition with the Atkins diet, I was thinking of accounts like Janice’s of her coworker. Ketoacidosis develops from ketosis if the body is unable to neutralize the acidity of the ketones fast enough. Losing weight too fast can be dangerous, which is why most dieticians advise no more than 1-2 pounds per week.


  75. Yes, 1-2 lbs a week for a woman. 3-4 for a man.

    Fortunately (?) I’ve never had to worry about losing too much too fast. 😦

    And, my son is a combination Type 1/Type II (he really doesn’t neatly fall into either category), and so I’ve done a lot of research on both. 🙂


  76. My son has a working pancreas, but it works at a far lower level than a Type II should. In other words, it *barely* works.

    However, he too has lost a lot of weight, and it has significantly cut down the amount of Insulin he has to use. If he eats lower carb, he doesn’t have to use any.

    When he eats something high-carb, he gets out the Insulin. 🙂


  77. Re: eating right.

    I believe God made our bodies to eat just about anything non-poisonous, as long as we eat it in moderation. A little sugar is not harmful; neither are most of the chemical/genetic modifications. It is overdoing it that causes harm to our bodies.


  78. After reading all the comments here tonight, I fell into one of my overly mirthy moods, and asked myself, “What is the silliest thing I could post without getting myself banned”?

    I thought, “Suppose I invent the “duct tape diet?” As usual, art cannot compete with reality.


    Don’t eat the overly long URL. You will get indigestion and gain a pound in the process.


  79. Phos, spelt bread was one my doctor said would be better to get. Having a hard time finding it, though.

    Chas, I thought you were a dispensationalist as well.

    So the big Walmart excursion has come and gone. But when we got there, my friend takes out her eyeglasses to put on and they’re banded together with a huge, bright blue rubber band that slashed straight across one lens.

    “What happened to your glasses!?” I asked.

    The piece where the tiny screw went in (metal frames) was broken, so I said before we shop for anything else we’re stopping in the optometrist section to see if they can fix that.

    The blue rubber band just was not a very good look, if you know what I mean. It was apt to land her on one of those websites where they post pics of people shopping at Walmart …

    Anyway, they couldn’t be fixed but the optometrist was able to find another pair of frames (only $28) that the lenses would fit into with a bit of reshaping on the grinder.

    Altogether, it just cost $50 (which I went ahead an paid as she’s on a fixed disability income).

    Lots of stuff always at Walmart to look over. I bought a new kitchen rug for $5. Things are very inexpensive there.


  80. ps, I liked (and agreed with) what Cheryl posted about prophecies being seen in retrospect, not typically (at least in much of any detail for us) before they come to pass.


  81. Peter,
    It really depends on what you mean by “moderation.” There is so much sugar in the things we eat now-a-days that you simply cannot eat anywhere close to an acceptable degree of “moderation” without being very, very careful. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but we eat POUNDS of sugar a year in comparison with the few ounces people ate back in the old days. And, if you go back before the development of the sugar granule, most people ate NO refined sugar at all.

    And, of course, what do you mean by sugar? It wasn’t until the 19th and 20th centuries that we developed beet sugar and high fructose corn syrup (which is in EVERYTHING).

    Table sugar, fructose not associated with the fruit it belongs to, and easily obtained refined sugar … these are all relatively new inventions, and strongly correlate to the development of many modern illnesses. Before this, people used mostly things like honey, and considered in season fruit to be a *dessert.*


  82. In fact, my father (who is really not THAT old) still considers fruit (with milk) to be a dessert. That is what he grew up with. 🙂


  83. It brings up a funny story. Not all that long ago in the scheme of things, people put fruit into stockings. They did so, because out-of-season fruit was very hard to obtain, and they considered it special and a “treat.”

    So, growing up, my husband had still always gotten an orange in the toe of his stocking, even though getting oranges out-of-season was much less difficult by that time.

    I now move you forward in time to our first Christmas together. I got my stocking and looked in it. There wasn’t a lot inside, because my hubby has never really understood how *easy* it is to fill a woman’s stocking. 🙂 But, the thing that got me (yes, I was young and shallow), was that he’d put an orange in the bottom.

    I looked him in the eye and said, “An orange? Did you just get this from the refrigerator? From the oranges that I just bought at the store??” The answer, of course, was “yes.”

    I was appalled, and he was surprised. That had just been the tradition at his home. It wasn’t at mine. 😉

    So, after that, it became rather fun to tease him every year about the time he “bought” me an orange for Christmas. 😉

    Nevertheless, in order to honor his tradition, we moved to putting chocolate “oranges” in our kids’ stockings every year.


  84. Tammy, that reminds me that I always got fruit in my Christmas stocking as a kid, too (along with nuts). My parents moved out here from Iowa when they first got married and having so much fruit available in the wintertime really was a treat.


  85. Well, Donna, I grew up in San Diego, as did my husband. So, the fruit and nuts thing (my husband’s family also had nuts at Christmas as a special treat) must have been on the West Coast too. 🙂 Of course, they’d moved from Texas, and my native San Diegan family did not have similar traditions. We were CANDY all the way!! lol


  86. BTW, I am NEVER going to be like the guy I posted above (Peter Attilia), but he’s still rather interesting. (Really, he represents the extreme. He’s really healthy. He’s an MD. He’s quite interesting. But, he’s definitely extreme.)


  87. “The type of rice they use in India is usually basmati, which has a lower glycemic index and higher nutrition than other white rice. I haven’t tried it myself, but perhaps I will try buying some next time I need rice.”

    It’s actually mostly north Indians who eat basmati rice. My husband is north Indian so that’s what I’ve always cooked as long as I’ve been married. But north Indians actually eat wheat more than rice or at least as much in the form of various flatbreads. South Indians, on the other hand, eat mostly rice, including lots of foods made with rice flour. Traditionally it was because rice grew in the southern climate and wheat grew more in the north. I guess basmati rice grows in the northern climate, too.

    Anyway, the point I wanted to make is that Type II diabetes is epidemic among south Indians much more so than among the general population here. It’s fairly common in north Indians, too, but it seems like about half of the south Indians eventually get it. And they’re the ones eating tons of non Basmati white rice every day. I’ve actually never heard that basmati rice had a lower glycemic index number (or however you say it), but that’s good to know if it’s true since that’s the rice we eat most. I occasionally cook brown rice with some non-Indian dishes, but that’s pretty rare. You can get brown basmati rice, too, but it’s just not the same.


  88. Morning! I slept the best I have since being back in CO!
    Jury Duty= sitting in a large room with many strangers and reading a book. Hours 8:30-5:00 with an hour for lunch. We must fill out a survey, profiling what books we like to read, what TV programs are our favourite, which radio host we like the most. What we like to do for enjoyment, entertainment, to relax…that sort of thing. I called a recorded message yesterday and was told I was to be on “stand by”….I must call between 11:30-12:30 to see if I am needed within the hour….it takes me 45 minutes to get there and after parking the car in the specified area, which takes 10-15 minutes to park then walk to the court house, going through security….if they call me, they can expect me to be either just on time or a tad bit late!
    Kim….I’m praying for you and Mr. P…and BG of course! Just the thought of what the Lord is doing in your lives…well….it just makes me smile! 🙂
    I emailed makeitman yesterday so I could see his wonderful creations on FB and haven’t heard back…hoping I didn’t send it to an unreal makeitman! Have a most blessed Sunday everyone!


  89. NancyJill, I can get you out of jury duty for the rest of the week if you would like me to.
    What books do you read? The Bible, anything by Billy Graham, C. S. Lewis, and Nora Roberts. (this works because it shows that you are repressed and angry).
    TV Shows? Fox News. Otherwise I don’t watch tv, what with all the Liberalism, sex, and misifnformation on the airwaves these days.
    Radio? Rush Limbaugh.
    As an added bonus you can tell them your father was a cop and your husband is an attorney.
    They will mark you as
    A. Republican
    B. Too conservative
    C. Too intelligent

    The will dismiss you all speedy quick like and probably never call you again because you cannot be bent and swayed to their will. If you really want to have fun with them you can tell them you can “look at a person and tell if they are guilty” and toss in that whole “eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth” thing too!

    I haven’t been called in YEARS!


  90. 😦 During the fellowship hour after church, my son pointed out to me – and the person I was talking with – that I was wearing my sweater inside out.

    🙂 The person I was talking with said it didn’t matter, clothes were made that way these days, so probably no one else took any notice.

    I’m not sure if that shows how tired I was this morning (sinus problems, doctor says ragweed is worse than usual due to the very hot summer), or how unobservant (I did stand in front of the mirror while putting on my makeup, though of course I’m not wearing glasses at that point).

    Just a few days ago at work, after being in the office for almost a month, I noticed for the first time that there is a drawer on the underside of the desk. It’s one of those shallow drawers like you have in the middle of traditional desk (where there are regular drawers on either side), but this is curved worksurface rather than a traditional rectangle. And when the drawer is pushed in, it doesn’t show unless you’re two feet back from it, or else looking down in that direction. But it still makes me feel very unobservant not to have noticed it sooner. (I had wondered about getting a pair of scissors and a ruler; now I know where they are!)


  91. That’s funny, Kim! I would say that you’re shirking your civic duty, but the truth is, even without any exaggeration or “truth stretching”, they’d reject you for the things you really do believe and stand for anyway. So why should they waste your time?


  92. Pauline, at work one Monday morning, we branch chiefs were having our weekly meeting with the division chief, Barry (not the one we all know and love). We finished the meeting and were sitting around chatting. Barry said, “Charlie, can I ask you a personal question?” “Sure”
    “Why are you wearing one brown and one black shoe?”
    I burst out laughing! They were surprised because they likely thought I would be too embarrassed to do anything. But we laughed about it for a few minutes.
    Then, as I left, I went over to the real pretty secretary, put my face about four inches from hers and said,
    “Linda, as I gaze deep in your eyes of blue,
    All I can think of is this stupid shoe.”
    They laughed again.

    When I got back, I asked my secretary, “Why didn’t you tell me that I had one brown shoe and one black shoe?”
    It started again.


  93. I was trying to make sense of “dispensationalism,” as

    1) It seems important to some people here.

    2) It is a fairly recent doctrine in Christianity.

    3) It is not subject to any empirical test, so people can argue about it for thousands of years, without much of consequence happening. Unlike the great Cascadian earthquake, which is quite likely to happen even in my lifetime.

    From a random website:

    This system of dispensational teaching including the concept of the pre-tribulational rapture was first developed among the Plymouth Brethren in the early 19th century in England and Ireland. John N. Darby in particular is credited with forming much of this theology. Dispensational theology was popularized more widely in evangelical and fundamentalist circles in North America through a series of Bible Conferences beginning in the late 1870’s. By the early 20th century about the time of the writing of _The Fundamentals_ (from which the term fundamentalist is derived) dispensationalism became the most popular prophetic theology in fundamentalist schools and Bible Institutes in America.
    This is only a quick summary of some of the dispensational ideas to give you an idea of what I mean when I use the term. I am not a dispensationalist myself. I do have friends who believe this theology and who I respect.

    Your divine mileage mary vary.

    Random or Modesty or Stephen –whatever god decides to allow me to post today.


  94. I have been before a jury, as a plaintiff. We won. Destroying a “cult.” (Not sure if the word has any meaning, or is appropriate to use.)

    I have been on a jury. We aquitted the defendant (accused of a minor crime, with the evidence dubious and questionable). Intuitively, we suspected he was going to get himself in trouble. By a weird coincidence, we had an opportunity to talk to him in the jury room after the trial. We lectured him sternly. We said (summarizing), “We acquitted you. But we think you are going to get yourself in a lot of trouble if you don’t get a grip on your temper.” He promised to change his ways and do better. I suppose one of us could have given him a sermon, though none of us were (as far as I know) Reverends. I tried to channel Roger Williams, but I don’t think that qualifies me. I’d love to know what happened to the acquitted defendant, but that’s life. We seldom know how things turn out, just as we never know if someone goes to Heaven or to the Bad Place.


  95. My computer keeps crashing, but only on the Linux partition of the hard drive. Is Windows 7 a sacred operating system, but Linux a damned one? Do operating systems have theologies? (NOT a question of the day.) Ma ybe the chickens have an opinion. I will go ask them what they know about computers.

    One of them ate a yellow jacket yesterday, so perhaps they are under divine protection.


  96. I have many family members who would love to be on a jury, to experience justice in action. I am not one of them as I figure I would not be a good jury member. Falling asleep, being distracted, that sort of thing. But two of the family members have been called. One, my mom as she was dying of cancer in her final days. And the other a son deployed to distant lands. Neither was able to answer the call.


  97. I’ve been called to jury duty several times, have served on one jury and was an alternate once. I’d say if you’re pegged as a conservative, prosecutors will like you, defense attorney’s won’t. 🙂 A liberal, defense attorneys will like you, prosecutors not so much.

    So everyone at least usually has a shot. Everyone also has a good chance of being “bumped” by one side or the other.

    Reporters in general haven’t been particularly popular for juries, however, although of late it hasn’t seemed to have much affect based on colleagues who have recently been called.

    Out here they’ll often ask if you personally know any police officers, or if anyone in your family arrested/tried/convicted of anything.


  98. My maid of honor, an attorney in L.A. told me once she never chooses jury members she wouldn’t mind living next door to.

    “Why not?” I asked.”Wouldn’t they be reasonable, intelligent, kind folks?”

    “Exactly,” Elizabeth said. “And therefore harder to manipulate.”


  99. I served as an alternate once, on a first-degree murder trial. Very interesting, and no way would I have tried to get out of it.

    One of my relatives travels for a living, speaking. He got a call to jury duty once when he would be out of town. He called and explained that he needed to be excused. They said no, he had jury duty and needed to come in. The rest of the conversation, as I recall (I of course was not there) went something like this:

    R: This meeting has been scheduled for two or three years, and they’ve advertised it, and they’re counting on me to be there. But I’ll be home for three weeks in April, and I can do jury duty then.

    Court: Sorry, sir; we need you to fulfill your scheduled service.

    R: I have a meeting in the next state the week before, and another meeting in that state the next week. I’ll have my motor home with me, and I can’t just drive home, and it costs too much to fly home on this sort of notice. Besides, they have 500 people or so coming to be there for me, and they’re counting on me. Sir, this is really important; I really just cannot be there. There is no way.

    Court: Sorry, sir, there’s nothing I can do.

    R: How do you choose juries, by the way, in this state? From driver’s licenses?

    Court: From registered voters.

    R: Only from voter registration, nothing else?

    Court: That is right, sir.

    I don’t know what he did about that particular court date (my hunch is he didn’t cancel his meeting), but I do know that ever since then he has registered to vote as close to election day as possible, and then “unregistered” as soon as the election is over, to avoid being in a jury pool when he reasonably cannot be there.


  100. Chas, when my husband was courting me, when he would come to town for a long weekend, we would skip Sunday school (we’d go out to Dunkin’ Donuts for breakfast instead) and just go to church.

    One week my pastor came over, warmly greeted my fiancee and me, and then said, “Everyone was laughing at me in Sunday school, and you might as well laught at me too.” He plopped one foot on the pew next to us and pulled up his pants legs on both legs–one blue shoe and one black one, as I recall, but two different colors at any rate. Nothing like being up front and being thus mismatched.


  101. I went to work at a hospital once with one navy, and one black, pump. It was a funny day. I felt like Lucy.

    I’ve only been called for jury duty during the time I was the sole caretaker of a young child, so I was excused. I was thrilled to be excused. I did not want to do it. I do not think I would make a good juror. And, whatever we decided, would haunt me.


  102. I served on two juries in LA in the 80s. On the first we acquitted a fellow of DUI. We thought it likely he was not innocent, but there were some problems with the evidence and we couldn’t convict.

    On the other we convicted a fellow of armed robbery. So I’ve been on both sides.

    I was excused once after being interviewed, surprised because I was excused by the prosecution. I thought my answers made me more likely to be excused by the defense.

    I’ve only been called once in 17 years here in Michigan, but the only case up the day I went in was settled before they even got jurors in for interviews, so we were sent home with thanks and a few bucks.

    Being on jury duty can be boring, mostly because of all the waiting and uncertainty that you would even be on a jury, but to me the opportunity to serve the community in that way makes it worthwhile.


  103. Michelle,
    Fascinating article indeed. I remember when I taught Spanish, and gave extra credit assignments to read books (in English) about Hispanic history/culture and write a book report, how dismayed I was at the poor quality of the writing. I was just a few years out of high school (I graduated from college at age 20), so it’s not that methods of teaching writing had changed since I was in school. And this was in an area of well-educated, well-to-do parents, not like the school in the article.

    I had never seen examples of my classmates’ writing when I was in school. I knew I was a good writer, but it had never occurred to me, until I read my students’ writing, that my teachers might have enthused over my writing because it really was a pleasure to read compared to most of what they got.


  104. The closest I came to serving on a jury was having my number called and sitting in the juror #1 set in the jury box while they explained the case, gave us instructions, and started asking us questions. One question was rather long and I wasn’t sure I fully understood it, so I asked for it to be repeated or rephrased. So far as I can remember, that was the only thing I said before being dismissed. And, to my surprise, it was the prosecutor rather than the defense attorney who requested that I be dismissed. As it was a “peeping tom” case, I would have thought that as a conservative and a woman, I might have been considered a good juror by the prosecution, and the defense would want to dismiss me. I might well have been dismissed anyway when they found out I had been the victim of sexual assault, but I was dismissed before they got to those kinds of questions.


  105. I have received the card to come in for jury duty several times. Once was when I was homeschooling I had no one else to care for/teach my son during the day. He stayed with a neighbor for half a day and his Sunday School teacher kept him for the other half day for jury selection day. While there we were asked if there would be any reason any of us could not serve. No one else spoke up, so I did. I explained about homeschooling and having no one to keep my son and teach him. That was not a strong enough excuse for them. I explained I would be worried about him with his asthma and distracted from listening to the case. It still was not acceptable. At the end of the day we were all dismissed because the defense declared the makeup of the jury was racially imbalanced.

    My most recent experience was that I was within the first twelve called into the room. It was for a murder case with multiple offenses in addition to that. Amazingly the defendant pleaded guilty after several breaks of going into closed door meetings with the attorneys and judge. It was pretty interesting to get that small taste of it, but I am glad I did not have to sit in on all those details. It probably would have been a long trial, too.

    My husband has been on a jury a few times. I can’t remember the details, but I think he enjoyed doing his service.


  106. I enjoyed reading the article on writing at the Atlantic, Michelle. I hope many school systems will act on that information. And that includes homeschool systems, too!


  107. Michelle, I printed it so I could remember to read it more thoroughly when my children are all in bed. Looks interesting, thanks.


  108. Tammy said: It really depends on what you mean by “moderation.” There is so much sugar in the things we eat now-a-days that you simply cannot eat anywhere close to an acceptable degree of “moderation” without being very, very careful.

    Yeah, that’s right. We read the labels and avoid HFCS. We avoid processed sugars and bleached wheat. Anything natural we eat in moderation. It’s a lot easier to maintain a healthy diet than people realize.


  109. A number of years ago I was covering a local ceremony of some kind that was outdoors. It was first thing in the morning and I was sitting near the front in the rows of folding chairs that had been put out.

    As I was taking notes, something caught my eye.


    I had on one black pump and one navy pump, identical except for the color. I quickly tucked my feet under the chair and as soon as the program was over and I’d interviewed anyone I needed to interview, I dashed home to change before going on in to the office.


  110. And I have only been called for jury duty once. It was for the Federal district court in Kansas City. Except, by the time I got called, we had moved to the St. Louis district.

    When I was young, I convinced a friend to register to vote. He didn’t want to because he thought he would get called to jury duty. Since he worked nights he figured he would have to serve. I said the chances were slim. He got called a few months after registering. Oops!


  111. The case I served on was for solicitation in a public park (Griffith) The guy was charged with soliciting an undercover cop (male). We decided some of what led up to the encounter bordered on entrapment by the vice cop and let the defendant off.

    He seemed very grateful; he’d just dropped the boyfriend off at the airport and was “strolling” through the park afterward. At that time, there were sections of Griffith (where LA’s zoo, observatory and miles of hiking and riding trails are iconic) Park used as gay pickup areas. Guys would literally sit out on lawn chairs during the daytime waiting for possible dates to come by.

    All rather sad and I wondered how the guy made out afterward. Mind you, this was in the late 1970s, some time ago now.

    I can’t remember the details of the case on which I was an alternate, only that I sat in a little room with the other alternate and a deputy as the jury deliberated … and deliberated … and deliberated. I had a book but after a few hours I became really bored and just wanted out of that room. I think the deliberations went on for most of a day, at least it didn’t stretch into a 2nd day.

    I was in a jury pool again a few years ago but before the selection process was finished, the attorneys reached some kind of plea deal and we were all dismissed. And the set-up now is that if you serve one day and don’t get onto a jury, you’re free of your service.

    I’m probably due to get another summons, come to think of it. It’s been at least a couple of years.


  112. The first time I went in for jury duty it was at the LA County courthouse in Pasadena. In her orientation presentation the jury supervisor told us they used both voter registrations and driver’s licenses. “All you have to do to avoid jury duty,” she said, “is not vote and not drive.”


  113. Interesting article, Michelle. When I was a young teen, I wasn’t a very good writer and didn’t have a good grasp of grammar, although I read widely. A homeschooled friend came to visit us and she proposed a game every morning before lunch, where we each wrote a topic, usually one word, on a slip of paper and put it in a hat. We then each drew a topic and wrote an essay (long or short as the inspiration came), then folded over the paper and handed it to the next person to write. The result was that we each wrote about four or five essays on separate topics and read them out loud before lunch. Some were badly written, some were silly, some were creative and some were hilariously funny – but we learned to view writing as a way of expressing ourselves.
    After that, we wanted to learn the rules of grammar, so my mother got us a sentence analysis course. All my reading seemed suddenly to fit together in ways I had not seen before. In one year, we went from not being sure of what a noun was to being able identify a participle at a glance. I went on to get excellent marks in nearly every writing assignment I was given in college and I was once asked in French class if I had an English major because I explained what an indirect object was (so they could compare it to the way that French uses the objet indirect). My siblings are also very good at writing. But it was our friend, who viewed writing essays as fun, that got us started.


  114. Thanks for the sure fire way to avoid Jury Duty Kim!! 🙂 The one time when I actually had to show up…I did say the Bible was my favourite book…the one and only other gal left in the room with me at the end of the day said she put that down on the survey as well! I average receiving a summons once every five years…I have only gone to the court house once…three times I was “on call” and once, court was called off on that Friday due to budget cuts!
    I once went to the grocery store and I thought my shoes felt kind of funny as I got out of the car….I looked down and lo and behold, I had on one black leather clog and one brown leather clog…they we not the same style, but, obviously were next to each other when I grabbed them off the shelf in the closet….I decided to go on in and do my grocery shopping…attempting to hide my feet under the grocery cart at all times! And I so hate it when I put on navy tights with a black dress…thinking they were black…I have done that a couple of times…once I ran into Target and purchased a black pair and changed them in the car 🙂


  115. Peter,

    I’m glad that you find it so easy to maintain a healthy diet. I find that it is a great deal of work and requires time and dedication.

    I think if it were easy for most people, they’d do it. They don’t, because for most of us, it simply isn’t.


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