“13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.”
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”
HOW MANY ARE TOO MANY?Did you ever hear about Natalee’s & Billy’s preventable deaths?
Of course not, that’s why I do this.I’ve now posted the deaths of 1,060 people killed or allegedly killed by an illegal.
There have been 1000’s of these preventable deaths over the years but MSM doesn’t report them because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
Another illegal arrested (2 times), not deported and was then able to allegedly kill Natalee & Billy.
Look at how many of the 1,060 preventable deaths I’ve posted were committed by an illegal that was previously arrested and/or deported.
Open borders = preventable deaths. To Democrats they’re just collateral damage.
Please repost so Natalee & Billy aren’t forgotten and inform people of their preventable deaths.
I’m not selling anything, I’m not writing a book, making a documentary, etc. There’s nothing in this for me.
I see what’s happening to our country and I’m trying to do something about it. I ask you to repost because MSM doesn’t report these preventable deaths and people should know about them.
I try and post a photo of the victim so you can see that these preventable deaths happened to real people, to real children and families that had their lives taken from them by someone that was illegally in our country.”
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As for the Iranians…..
They would clearly as Christians have a legit claim to asylum. But there is a process, which ya’ll were so concerned about for illegals, and some of them came in illegally and disqualified themselves. Just because Biden ignored the law doesn’t mean Trump has to.
Deny it all you want. Our government is creating victims by its own actions. Taking away someone’s status when it has been granted to them lawfully and then snatching them off the street while hiding your identity behind a mask is cowardly and terrorizing. Those supporting this behavior are certainly not supporting law and order. You’re unwittingly supporting a secret police which will not always be used to your personal satisfaction. What we sow we will also reap.
PS Do you think the behavior of the church in Germany in WW2 was reflective of Roman 13:1-7?
I would think the churches that obeyed Hitler thought they were reflecting Romans 13:1-7. Scripture is clear that God created government to do good, not evil. Paul clearly did not follow all the laws of government. He paid the price. The issue is huge, of course, and encompasses all the bible.
I do not like the masks. However, when these people are doxed for doing their job, that is a concern. I would prefer strong consequences for those who dox law enforcement for doing their jobs. That may keep people from doing it.
I am leery of those posting videos showing an arrest with a motive clearly shown. It was clear that the people did know this was ICE, just by what was said. Who knows what was believed by the one being arrested, that caused the panic? The rhetoric is ridiculous in many cases and pure propaganda.
We had an ICE raid in a city. A roofer was arrested and there were protesters. The man picked up was back on the job in less than an hour. Apparently, their status was clear. We saw little of that, but did see the protesters over and over again on the news.
I am sorry that more refugees fleeing persecution were not brought in during the Trump first administration. There are thousands around the world, I am sure. All of those have to wait longer, though, when others come in illegally.
I also wish the racism promoted today would end, such as the teacher’s contracts in MN that lay-off white man earlier simply because they are white men. That is only one example. The devil loves to divide and encourage hate, and will use immigration, labor contracts or whatever.
As for immigration we can also bring up that we are called to hospitality. Does that mean we are called to open our home up to anyone who shows up on our doorstep? Or perhaps anyone who squats in our homes?
Is it wrong for us to break the law, but not illegal immigrants? It is happening all around us. I know it is in my state.
The hospitality question is interesting. I have thought that personal hospitality is probably so emphasized Biblically and culturally because without it, many travelers might have perished. And by making hospitality an important part of culture, people live together in peace even if they are strangers.
It seems to me that hospitality has a softening affect in the heart. From what I can see that is greatly diminished here (and from my own heart too). Many may feel it is no longer needed since the State takes over many of those functions. Rightly or wrongly.
Yes, it can be a problem to take our money too much to solve problems that individuals used to solve. We see that in taking in children or relatives etc. What should the balance be? Only God has the total answer.
“The 2nd-largest COVID-19 vaccine safety study EVER conducted — comparing 46 MILLION vaccinated to 40 MILLION unvaccinated — found massive increased risks of:
“USAID funneled + $40 MILLION in taxpayer money to scientists in Wuhan, China to do gain of function mutations.
This directly led to the creation of Xi Jinping-19 and its release in 2019, in coordination with the U.S. Communist Democrat Party and the Chinese Communist Party, with the goal of overthrowing the United States government.
In other words, USAID funded the deaths of 20 million people around the world and the overthrow of the United States government in 2020.
Gina Haspel covered it up with bribes, and this is precisely what Anthony Fauci was preemptively pardoned for — by an autopen, because the puppet was incapacitated.”
“Axios this morning reported that grassroots Democrats want people to prepare for violence and also be willing to get shot when visiting immigration facilities.
Hours later, someone tried to ambush Border Patrol agents.”
—-
“BREAKING: Three federal & TX law enforcement sources tell me an active shooter with a rifle & tactical gear ambushed Border Patrol agents as they arrived at a Border Patrol annex facility in McAllen, TX this morning. Local police and federal agents returned fire, killing him. I’m told this was a purposeful ambush/attack against federal agents and a press conference is planned for later this morning. No federal agents injured. Im told a McAllen police officer may have been shot, but is in stable condition.
Recent news does seem to indicate that our economy is doing well under the Trump administration. That is encouraging to read, and I hope that it will continue to do well.
In regard to much of the opposition against Trump, it seems to me that his public persona is quite a bit to blame for that, fair or not. My Bible reading lately has been in Proverbs, and the other day, a couple or so verses seemed apropos to this matter.
Proverbs 16:18-19, 32
~ “Pride goes before destruction,
And a haughty spirit before a fall.
Better to be of a humble spirit with the lowly,
Than to divide the spoil with the proud.
He who is slow to anger is better than the mighty,
And he who rules his spirit than he who takes a city.” ~
One of Debra’s comments from the other day began with – “A government full of retribution and anger will spawn more of the same. We need righteous judgement and mercy and repentance.”
AJ, don’t be naive. The murder of millions in Germany started with governmental thuggery and blame-shifting propaganda. It’s a slippery slope and that is precisely why we should avoid all appearance of going in that direction.
And yes, I do want to question the use of government agents in masks. The use of masks and other forms of intimidation and terror encourage a like response from an armed populace.
Have mercy our government is not murdering anyone. Nor does this administration have that intent… cannot speak for democrats desire to do that but if they did it would be conservative Christians!
That is the point NJ. We are not murdering anyone yet. We are simply behaving like thugs and calling even hard working mothers and fathers criminals. We are threatening to strip people of citizenship. We are threatening to deport CITIZENS who commit ‘crimes’ (and who knows what will be considered a serious crime next). We are doing these things while wearing a mask so we are not accountable for our behavior. And to all that I say shame on us. We should be better than that. And we should get better than that before things get really out of control.
I have no idea what you are talking about Debra. When did this administration round up legal citizens and ship them off? I don’t watch propaganda news sources so I must have missed that.
The wearing of masks is simply to protect the face of the arresting officer…they…legal US taxpaying citizens are being threatened by illegal criminals and their leftist cohorts. Again…this administration is killing no one and the treatment of these illegal invaders is better than those held in captivity by Biden’s administration for daring to be at the capitol on Jan 6….
Genuine asylum seekers are being sent “home” where they are likely to be murdered. Is that all that different from nations that turned a blind eye to people fleeing Nazi Germany? We used to pride ourselves on being a nation that would take in desperate people. Yes, they need to follow the law–but sometimes desperate people run and hide, and it isn’t at all a good look when asylum-seeking refugees are arrested by multiple people in masks while their pastor pleads for mercy. It really, really isn’t. Many of us have refugees among our ancestors. Is this the kind of nation they were coming to?
It’s possible to say both “I voted for this man partly because he promised to deport criminal illegal aliens” and “Grabbing those with an asylum application while wearing masks is the wrong ‘look’ for America on many levels.” Remember when the SWAT team pointed guns at a frightened little boy, and how bad it looked? Or when Ku Klux Klan members wear hoods to do their dirty work? Do we roll our eyes when the child screams in terror or the black person fears for his life? Why do we have no compassion for the woman who has fled state-sponsored persecution because of her faith, and who then ends up grabbed by masked men in the nation where she thought she would find safety?
Should we not, in this instance, at least feel some sympathy for fellow believers? If it’s a pastor in China pleading for his people, we feel sympathy, but if it’s America we feel disdain?
Debra has some good concerns. When you authorise a group of people to act for the state and they appear heavily armed, masked and with no way to identify them, the state does appear to endorse thugs.
Its fairly simple to solve while keeping ICE agents safe; first and foremost like any police-type force, they should have a uniform (and not one you can buy on Amazon). Second, agents should all have an ID number prominently displayed on that uniform. Finally, agents should have the necessary paperwork to match their activities. This isn’t a radical idea — police already do this.
During the Biden admin, ICE deported or returned (not sure what’s the difference) about a million migrants a year without resorting to this level of cartoon thuggery. Surely ICE can continue to do this.
Given their appearance and behaviour, people are resorting to calling the police to report armed men wearing disguise refusing to identify themselves in their neighbourhood. This of course is a waste of resources and could lead to problems between the two forces (incidents between police and ICE have occurred in LA)
Mistakes are made. When you expand ICE without training and allow them to arrest/kidnap without paper work, mistakes will happen. Legal residents and foreign tourists are being detained — usually sorted out in hours or days but sometimes it’s a trip to El Salvador. There’s a reason tourism is in serious decline — mistakes have been made, and the world knows.
When you hang out at Home Depot, chicken processing plants, schools and courts, you’re not arresting “criminal invaders”; you are arresting migrants, legal or illegal.
You probably don’t, NJ. Most people have enough trouble in their own lives to not want to keep up with everything that’s happening. At least twice the President has said he would like to deport bad people even if they are citizens. Once was there n this clip at the WH with the president of El Salvador. Another was more recent.
I despise historical analogies especially any that resort to Nazis/Hitler as a reflexive act. Thus for my friends on the left I’ve always suggested Mussolini or Franco as a better analogy than Hitler when discussing Trump.
Similarly, when discussing ICE, its not the SS of 1941 that we should use, and honestly I’ve not heard anyone seriously propose that’s where the US is at right now. A better analogy is to view ICE’s behaviour as similar to the thuggery of the SA in the early to mid 30s. They didn’t target Jews but rather foreigners, Roma (gypsies) and others they felt were leeching off the German people. This included the “degenerates” of Berlin — gays, communists, refugees, etc — who were dumped into Poland or elsewhere.
The AfD, who received support from Vance and other Republicans, advocate a return to these policies. They want to deport not only non-Europeans refugees (Syrians, Iraqis, Afghanis) but also Ukrainian and Russian young people who are in Berlin to evade the draft and for some to avoid LGBQT persecution. Meanwhile, right wing Poles are “patrolling” the border to make sure the “degenerates” stay in Berlin.
The behaviour of ICE then is a model for others worldwide as they seek to persecute refugees and those who are different. I was in Berlin again this year and of course hung out with those degenerates and the fear is palpable. We seemed to have entered a world where rules no longer matter and the thugs rule according to colour, creed, etc. I try to ignore the news — I’m retired and should be relaxing and enjoying my life but I really don’t like what I see. This isn’t a matter of political disagreement as in the past but something that appears more existential
Ha! I wouldn’t say I have enough bad in my own life that I don’t keep up with what’s going on! I find myself relatively well informed on matters about me but I choose what sources I believe and what I don’t.
That clip did appear to be edited but heck what do I know right? I have heard our President say silly things that can be alarming yet have never seen him follow through. I don’t believe he wants to ship off citizens as I do believe he knows we have a system to try and convict citizen criminals however flawed that might be.
If someone comes to this country illegally they need to leave..and apply to come back legally. Too many play the asylum card thanks to Biden and they remain here illegally. Our country is a stinkin’ mess and for once we have a President who is trying to straighten out this mess. Is he doing it perfectly? Nope. But he is trying!
Say what ya’ll will but I know no one..not one person who rejoices over the pain and in these situations. Could the ICE process be better executed? Absolutely. We need to figure this out but like I said before…Trump became President just less than SiX months ago!! He is facing a huge mess the leftists have caused in our nation.
NJ, I did not mean to imply you are not informed. Yes the clip is edited as that interview was longish if I remember correctly. But I thought it conveyed the idea in context. I also dislike sources that take things out of context, but we are swimming in information these days and the President doesn’t make it easy to take him seriously sometimes. Still, I think we are treading on dangerous ground and HRW has a point (several actually) worth considering.
I’m going home from work now and I’m pooped. Peace to all. :–)
Wandering Views 
Romans 13:1-7
“13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.”
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”
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And let’s stop please with the idea that somehow those who broke the law are victims, when there are real victims out there.
Illegal immigration is not a victimless crime. Not to those whose identity or job is stolen, and not to the victims of crime.
https://x.com/howmanyare2many/status/1941894635921584433?t=s7aZNSFyXNpKGwLrsdMhwQ&s=19
“Deportation can save lives like this.
HOW MANY ARE TOO MANY?Did you ever hear about Natalee’s & Billy’s preventable deaths?
Of course not, that’s why I do this.I’ve now posted the deaths of 1,060 people killed or allegedly killed by an illegal.
There have been 1000’s of these preventable deaths over the years but MSM doesn’t report them because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
Another illegal arrested (2 times), not deported and was then able to allegedly kill Natalee & Billy.
Look at how many of the 1,060 preventable deaths I’ve posted were committed by an illegal that was previously arrested and/or deported.
Open borders = preventable deaths. To Democrats they’re just collateral damage.
Please repost so Natalee & Billy aren’t forgotten and inform people of their preventable deaths.
I’m not selling anything, I’m not writing a book, making a documentary, etc. There’s nothing in this for me.
I see what’s happening to our country and I’m trying to do something about it. I ask you to repost because MSM doesn’t report these preventable deaths and people should know about them.
I try and post a photo of the victim so you can see that these preventable deaths happened to real people, to real children and families that had their lives taken from them by someone that was illegally in our country.”
——
As for the Iranians…..
They would clearly as Christians have a legit claim to asylum. But there is a process, which ya’ll were so concerned about for illegals, and some of them came in illegally and disqualified themselves. Just because Biden ignored the law doesn’t mean Trump has to.
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Deny it all you want. Our government is creating victims by its own actions. Taking away someone’s status when it has been granted to them lawfully and then snatching them off the street while hiding your identity behind a mask is cowardly and terrorizing. Those supporting this behavior are certainly not supporting law and order. You’re unwittingly supporting a secret police which will not always be used to your personal satisfaction. What we sow we will also reap.
PS Do you think the behavior of the church in Germany in WW2 was reflective of Roman 13:1-7?
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I would think the churches that obeyed Hitler thought they were reflecting Romans 13:1-7. Scripture is clear that God created government to do good, not evil. Paul clearly did not follow all the laws of government. He paid the price. The issue is huge, of course, and encompasses all the bible.
I do not like the masks. However, when these people are doxed for doing their job, that is a concern. I would prefer strong consequences for those who dox law enforcement for doing their jobs. That may keep people from doing it.
I am leery of those posting videos showing an arrest with a motive clearly shown. It was clear that the people did know this was ICE, just by what was said. Who knows what was believed by the one being arrested, that caused the panic? The rhetoric is ridiculous in many cases and pure propaganda.
We had an ICE raid in a city. A roofer was arrested and there were protesters. The man picked up was back on the job in less than an hour. Apparently, their status was clear. We saw little of that, but did see the protesters over and over again on the news.
I am sorry that more refugees fleeing persecution were not brought in during the Trump first administration. There are thousands around the world, I am sure. All of those have to wait longer, though, when others come in illegally.
I wish all our legislators would fix the system.
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I also wish the racism promoted today would end, such as the teacher’s contracts in MN that lay-off white man earlier simply because they are white men. That is only one example. The devil loves to divide and encourage hate, and will use immigration, labor contracts or whatever.
As for immigration we can also bring up that we are called to hospitality. Does that mean we are called to open our home up to anyone who shows up on our doorstep? Or perhaps anyone who squats in our homes?
Is it wrong for us to break the law, but not illegal immigrants? It is happening all around us. I know it is in my state.
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I know you will forgive the typos, because we are called to forgive. 😉
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The hospitality question is interesting. I have thought that personal hospitality is probably so emphasized Biblically and culturally because without it, many travelers might have perished. And by making hospitality an important part of culture, people live together in peace even if they are strangers.
It seems to me that hospitality has a softening affect in the heart. From what I can see that is greatly diminished here (and from my own heart too). Many may feel it is no longer needed since the State takes over many of those functions. Rightly or wrongly.
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Yes, it can be a problem to take our money too much to solve problems that individuals used to solve. We see that in taking in children or relatives etc. What should the balance be? Only God has the total answer.
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“Do you think the behavior of the church in Germany in WW2 was reflective of Roman 13:1-7?”
C’mon Debra.
That’s a totally unfair comparison. Jews were being murdered by the millions.
Illegal invaders are being sent home.
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As usual, the govt an d media lies to you.
Not safe.
Not effective.
Quite the opposite, in fact.
https://x.com/NicHulscher/status/1941876899564622038?t=SNz0JzvUO1URRcoMdtHRHA&s=19
“The 2nd-largest COVID-19 vaccine safety study EVER conducted — comparing 46 MILLION vaccinated to 40 MILLION unvaccinated — found massive increased risks of:
💔 Heart Attack: +286% after 2nd dose
🧠 Stroke: +240% after 1st dose
🫀 Coronary Artery Disease: +244% after 2nd dose
⚡ Arrhythmia: +199% after 1st dose”
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Just gonna leave this here….
🔥 It. Down.
https://x.com/Real_RobN/status/1941892403809677496?t=jS2TLHM9yYy0KqFRbQvdxA&s=19
“USAID funneled + $40 MILLION in taxpayer money to scientists in Wuhan, China to do gain of function mutations.
This directly led to the creation of Xi Jinping-19 and its release in 2019, in coordination with the U.S. Communist Democrat Party and the Chinese Communist Party, with the goal of overthrowing the United States government.
In other words, USAID funded the deaths of 20 million people around the world and the overthrow of the United States government in 2020.
Gina Haspel covered it up with bribes, and this is precisely what Anthony Fauci was preemptively pardoned for — by an autopen, because the puppet was incapacitated.”
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Once again, the dems and media are inciting violence.
https://x.com/SteveGuest/status/1942232224859918485?t=eHiWkpFOfhKcoBZIGf1eWA&s=19
“Axios this morning reported that grassroots Democrats want people to prepare for violence and also be willing to get shot when visiting immigration facilities.
Hours later, someone tried to ambush Border Patrol agents.”
—-
“BREAKING: Three federal & TX law enforcement sources tell me an active shooter with a rifle & tactical gear ambushed Border Patrol agents as they arrived at a Border Patrol annex facility in McAllen, TX this morning. Local police and federal agents returned fire, killing him. I’m told this was a purposeful ambush/attack against federal agents and a press conference is planned for later this morning. No federal agents injured. Im told a McAllen police officer may have been shot, but is in stable condition.
Photos via law enforcement sources.”
https://x.com/BillMelugin_/status/1942230364073967869?t=eYGoz5X6vF4RKbm_qGW-7A&s=19
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Anyone still want to question why agents are forced to wear masks?
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Recent news does seem to indicate that our economy is doing well under the Trump administration. That is encouraging to read, and I hope that it will continue to do well.
In regard to much of the opposition against Trump, it seems to me that his public persona is quite a bit to blame for that, fair or not. My Bible reading lately has been in Proverbs, and the other day, a couple or so verses seemed apropos to this matter.
Proverbs 16:18-19, 32
~ “Pride goes before destruction,
And a haughty spirit before a fall.
Better to be of a humble spirit with the lowly,
Than to divide the spoil with the proud.
He who is slow to anger is better than the mighty,
And he who rules his spirit than he who takes a city.” ~
One of Debra’s comments from the other day began with – “A government full of retribution and anger will spawn more of the same. We need righteous judgement and mercy and repentance.”
To that I say, Amen.
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A reminder to pray for our leaders.
mumsee
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AJ, don’t be naive. The murder of millions in Germany started with governmental thuggery and blame-shifting propaganda. It’s a slippery slope and that is precisely why we should avoid all appearance of going in that direction.
And yes, I do want to question the use of government agents in masks. The use of masks and other forms of intimidation and terror encourage a like response from an armed populace.
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Have mercy our government is not murdering anyone. Nor does this administration have that intent… cannot speak for democrats desire to do that but if they did it would be conservative Christians!
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That is the point NJ. We are not murdering anyone yet. We are simply behaving like thugs and calling even hard working mothers and fathers criminals. We are threatening to strip people of citizenship. We are threatening to deport CITIZENS who commit ‘crimes’ (and who knows what will be considered a serious crime next). We are doing these things while wearing a mask so we are not accountable for our behavior. And to all that I say shame on us. We should be better than that. And we should get better than that before things get really out of control.
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I have no idea what you are talking about Debra. When did this administration round up legal citizens and ship them off? I don’t watch propaganda news sources so I must have missed that.
The wearing of masks is simply to protect the face of the arresting officer…they…legal US taxpaying citizens are being threatened by illegal criminals and their leftist cohorts. Again…this administration is killing no one and the treatment of these illegal invaders is better than those held in captivity by Biden’s administration for daring to be at the capitol on Jan 6….
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Genuine asylum seekers are being sent “home” where they are likely to be murdered. Is that all that different from nations that turned a blind eye to people fleeing Nazi Germany? We used to pride ourselves on being a nation that would take in desperate people. Yes, they need to follow the law–but sometimes desperate people run and hide, and it isn’t at all a good look when asylum-seeking refugees are arrested by multiple people in masks while their pastor pleads for mercy. It really, really isn’t. Many of us have refugees among our ancestors. Is this the kind of nation they were coming to?
It’s possible to say both “I voted for this man partly because he promised to deport criminal illegal aliens” and “Grabbing those with an asylum application while wearing masks is the wrong ‘look’ for America on many levels.” Remember when the SWAT team pointed guns at a frightened little boy, and how bad it looked? Or when Ku Klux Klan members wear hoods to do their dirty work? Do we roll our eyes when the child screams in terror or the black person fears for his life? Why do we have no compassion for the woman who has fled state-sponsored persecution because of her faith, and who then ends up grabbed by masked men in the nation where she thought she would find safety?
Should we not, in this instance, at least feel some sympathy for fellow believers? If it’s a pastor in China pleading for his people, we feel sympathy, but if it’s America we feel disdain?
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Debra has some good concerns. When you authorise a group of people to act for the state and they appear heavily armed, masked and with no way to identify them, the state does appear to endorse thugs.
Its fairly simple to solve while keeping ICE agents safe; first and foremost like any police-type force, they should have a uniform (and not one you can buy on Amazon). Second, agents should all have an ID number prominently displayed on that uniform. Finally, agents should have the necessary paperwork to match their activities. This isn’t a radical idea — police already do this.
During the Biden admin, ICE deported or returned (not sure what’s the difference) about a million migrants a year without resorting to this level of cartoon thuggery. Surely ICE can continue to do this.
Given their appearance and behaviour, people are resorting to calling the police to report armed men wearing disguise refusing to identify themselves in their neighbourhood. This of course is a waste of resources and could lead to problems between the two forces (incidents between police and ICE have occurred in LA)
Mistakes are made. When you expand ICE without training and allow them to arrest/kidnap without paper work, mistakes will happen. Legal residents and foreign tourists are being detained — usually sorted out in hours or days but sometimes it’s a trip to El Salvador. There’s a reason tourism is in serious decline — mistakes have been made, and the world knows.
When you hang out at Home Depot, chicken processing plants, schools and courts, you’re not arresting “criminal invaders”; you are arresting migrants, legal or illegal.
hrw
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You probably don’t, NJ. Most people have enough trouble in their own lives to not want to keep up with everything that’s happening. At least twice the President has said he would like to deport bad people even if they are citizens. Once was there n this clip at the WH with the president of El Salvador. Another was more recent.
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I despise historical analogies especially any that resort to Nazis/Hitler as a reflexive act. Thus for my friends on the left I’ve always suggested Mussolini or Franco as a better analogy than Hitler when discussing Trump.
Similarly, when discussing ICE, its not the SS of 1941 that we should use, and honestly I’ve not heard anyone seriously propose that’s where the US is at right now. A better analogy is to view ICE’s behaviour as similar to the thuggery of the SA in the early to mid 30s. They didn’t target Jews but rather foreigners, Roma (gypsies) and others they felt were leeching off the German people. This included the “degenerates” of Berlin — gays, communists, refugees, etc — who were dumped into Poland or elsewhere.
The AfD, who received support from Vance and other Republicans, advocate a return to these policies. They want to deport not only non-Europeans refugees (Syrians, Iraqis, Afghanis) but also Ukrainian and Russian young people who are in Berlin to evade the draft and for some to avoid LGBQT persecution. Meanwhile, right wing Poles are “patrolling” the border to make sure the “degenerates” stay in Berlin.
The behaviour of ICE then is a model for others worldwide as they seek to persecute refugees and those who are different. I was in Berlin again this year and of course hung out with those degenerates and the fear is palpable. We seemed to have entered a world where rules no longer matter and the thugs rule according to colour, creed, etc. I try to ignore the news — I’m retired and should be relaxing and enjoying my life but I really don’t like what I see. This isn’t a matter of political disagreement as in the past but something that appears more existential
hrw
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Ha! I wouldn’t say I have enough bad in my own life that I don’t keep up with what’s going on! I find myself relatively well informed on matters about me but I choose what sources I believe and what I don’t.
That clip did appear to be edited but heck what do I know right? I have heard our President say silly things that can be alarming yet have never seen him follow through. I don’t believe he wants to ship off citizens as I do believe he knows we have a system to try and convict citizen criminals however flawed that might be.
If someone comes to this country illegally they need to leave..and apply to come back legally. Too many play the asylum card thanks to Biden and they remain here illegally. Our country is a stinkin’ mess and for once we have a President who is trying to straighten out this mess. Is he doing it perfectly? Nope. But he is trying!
Say what ya’ll will but I know no one..not one person who rejoices over the pain and in these situations. Could the ICE process be better executed? Absolutely. We need to figure this out but like I said before…Trump became President just less than SiX months ago!! He is facing a huge mess the leftists have caused in our nation.
Nj
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NJ, I did not mean to imply you are not informed. Yes the clip is edited as that interview was longish if I remember correctly. But I thought it conveyed the idea in context. I also dislike sources that take things out of context, but we are swimming in information these days and the President doesn’t make it easy to take him seriously sometimes. Still, I think we are treading on dangerous ground and HRW has a point (several actually) worth considering.
I’m going home from work now and I’m pooped. Peace to all. :–)
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I have a nephew who is a border patrol agent in that town. May God be merciful.
Jo
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