11 thoughts on “News/Politics 5-4-21

  1. https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/evidence-reveals-that-military-team-collaborated-with-lab-where-covid-pandemic-originated_3798920.html

    “The Chinese regime has said its controversial virology institute had no relationship with the military, but the institute worked with military leaders on a government-sponsored project for almost a decade.

    The Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) participated in a project, sponsored by the National Natural Science Foundation of China (NSFC)—a regime-funded scientific research institution—from 2012 to 2018. The project was comprised of a team of five military and civil experts, who conducted research at WIV labs, military labs, and other civil labs leading to “the discovery of animal pathogens [biological agents that causes disease] in wild animals.”

    The WIV is located in central China’s Wuhan City, the COVID-19 pandemic ground zero. As an advanced virology institution, the WIV has the only P4 lab—the highest biosafety level lab—in China and the biggest repository of bat coronaviruses in Asia. The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, commonly known as novel coronavirus, is “96 percent identical at the whole-genome level to a bat coronavirus,” Chinese researchers wrote in a research article (pdf) published in February 2020.

    In recent months, the Chinese Foreign Affairs Ministry and Shi Zhengli, the WIV virologist nicknamed “Bat Woman” for her research on coronaviruses of bat origin, denied there is a connection between the WIV and military, and said that no WIV researchers were infected with COVID-19.

    However, according to an investigation conducted by the U.S. State Department, “several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses.”

    “The WIV has engaged in classified research, including laboratory animal experiments, on behalf of the Chinese military since at least 2017,” states a State Department fact sheet.”

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  2. Things are looking up

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  3. AJ – (regarding your last comment last night to Cheryl) – This is a quote from Erick Erickson. I have not double-checked all these statements, but I am pretty sure that I have read of them previously.

    (Note: The point has been made that Chauvin’s knee was on Floyd’s back or shoulder, not his neck. Even so, that still could have caused compression on his lungs.)

    “It is absolutely true that had George Floyd not tried to use counterfeit money, he’d be alive.

    It is absolutely true that had he listened to the police, he’d still be alive. That is all true.

    It is absolutely also true that had Chauvin not kept his knee on George Floyd’s neck for an additional four minutes after Floyd stopped moving, Floyd would be alive.

    It is also true that had Chauvin allowed the medical personnel who offered to examine Floyd a chance to do so, Floyd would be alive.

    It is also true that after six minutes of his knee on Floyd’s neck, Chauvin could have let up his knee when spectators noted something was wrong.

    It is also true that after almost nine minutes, when paramedics arrived, Chauvin still would not let his knee up off George Floyd’s neck and had to be prodded to do so.

    Chauvin was not convicted of making a bad decision in a split second. He was convicted because he made multiple decisions over nearly nine minutes, well after Floyd was no longer moving.”

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  4. AJ, following up on Kizzie’s post above: Absolutely George Floyd made some mistakes in judgment. But he wasn’t the one on trial. If you burn down someone’s house with him in it, and then investigators find out he was already dead before you lit the fire, do you get a get-out-of-jail-free card?

    I think that if Chauvin had restrained Floyd for two or three minutes after he resisted arrest, then rolled him onto his side, sat him up, etc., even if Floyd had died, Chauvin wouldn’t have been charged or wouldn’t have been found guilty. But once the suspect had ceased all resistance, and seems to have passed out, Chauvin had no legal or moral grounds to continue to kneel on him.

    If I hit your elderly mother over the head with a baseball bat, and she has a heart attack, and the autopsy determines she died of a heart attack and not blunt trauma, I am still culpable. Whether my actions directly caused her death or simply contributed to it, she would probably not have died that day without my actions. If my actions were self-defense, an accident without any negligence involved, or fully reasonable under the circumstances, that is one thing. But if my actions were unreasonable and illegal, the fact that other factors were also involved in the person’s death doesn’t let me off the hook. It lessens the charge, the crime, but it doesn’t take it to the level where no crime was involved at all.

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  5. Tychicus – Newsmax seems to be saying that they investigated further and are now retracting their previous reports. News sources do that quite frequently.

    “Newsmax would like to clarify its coverage of Dr. Coomer and note that while Newsmax initially covered claims by President Trump’s lawyers, supporters and others that Dr. Coomer played a role in manipulating Dominion voting machines, Dominion voting software, and the final vote counts in the 2020 presidential election, Newsmax subsequently found no evidence that such allegations were true. Many of the states whose results were contested by the Trump campaign after the November 2020 election have conducted extensive recounts and audits, and each of these states certified the results as legal and final.

    There are several facts that our viewers should be aware of. Newsmax has found no evidence that Dr. Coomer interfered with Dominion voting machines or voting software in any way, nor that Dr. Coomer ever claimed to have done so. Nor has Newsmax found any evidence that Dr. Coomer ever participated in any conversation with members of “Antifa,” nor that he was directly involved with any partisan political organization.”

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  6. Here’s another way to put what I wrote in 5:05: It would seem that George Floyd had several factors that made him vulnerable. And I would actually agree that resisting arrest shouldn’t be a “safe” thing to do, that you actually take your life into your hands if you do so.

    Nevertheless, every time we have another life in our hands, we try to do the least harm possible to that person. Sometimes it is necessary to restrain a person for his own safety or the safety of other people. But you don’t use a level of force beyond what is necessary for quickly subduing the person. Mace or pepper spray are preferable to bullets if the situation isn’t an immediate threat to life. When you are kneeling on a person and you tell him that he should get into the backseat of a car and he tells you he is now willing to do so but that he can’t get up with you kneeling on him, and he is already handcuffed and unable to run away, letting him get up is the proper response. If he stops resisting, you lessen or remove the pressure. If the criminal stops running and puts his hands in the air, you stop shooting. If he stops resisting arrest, then you continue with the arrest and not with the restraint.

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  7. It is possible that the video I saw missed something, but I did see a rather long video of Floyd’s arrest. His resisting was because he was claustrophobic and terrified of getting in the backseat alone. He tried explaining this to the officers, and IIRC, he asked for one of them to get in the back with him. His “resisting” (again, from what I saw, and I realize there could have been more) was resisting due to fear, and was not a violent kind of resisting. He was already handcuffed, too, at that point, I am pretty sure.

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  8. Kizzie, yes, it was resisting due to fear, and that fear might well have been exacerbated by drugs in his system. And I think he told the police he’d once been shot by police. Police need somehow to bring someone under control, especially if he is a danger to himself or others. (Floyd was in no state to drive, for instance.) He may well have made the police mad because he resisted so forcefully, and he was so large. (Then again, I think I read that Chauvin didn’t even come along until after he was back outside the car, but I might be wrong about that.) Still, just as when disciplining a child, you cannot let anger affect your treatment of them, so with police work. Legitimate danger has to affect what you do, but anger can’t.

    We don’t know what motivated the officers that day. But continuing to hold a man well after he had ceased resisting and was in medical distress was what turned that event from an arrest into something else, and made a charge of some level of murder seem appropriate to pretty much everyone, including the jury.

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