40 thoughts on “News/Politics 4-21-20

  1. See, this is why I’m against stimulus/bailout money for states and municipalities. It won’t be used for Covid costs and helping citizens. It will instead be directed to illegals and bailing them out of their own poor past decisions. Then they’ll go right back to spending money they don’t have.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-illinois-seeks-federal-bailout-pensions-coronavirus-20200419-ymvxr3m2lzd3zcoyytbahkyqki-story.html

    “Illinois’ shameless, dishonest ask for a federal bailout”

    “It is not surprising an Illinois politician finally put in writing what economists and financial watchdogs have been warning for years: That elected officials who failed to take seriously decades of fiscal warning bells in this state eventually would seek a bailout from the federal government.

    What is beyond galling is using the coronavirus as an excuse. But that’s what Illinois Senate President Don Harmon, D-Oak Park, did last week in a letter circulated among Illinois’ congressional delegation and obtained by The New York Times. Harmon requested more than $41.6 billion in bailout aid as part of the next coronavirus relief package, including $10 billion for Illinois pensions, due to economic collapse from the virus.

    Even by this state’s low standards, asking federal taxpayers from California to North Carolina, from North Dakota to Texas — farmers, small business owners, teachers, nurses, bus drivers, bartenders — to help dig Illinois out of its pre-coronavirus, self-inflicted, financial hellhole is astonishingly brazen. Every member of Congress should carefully scrutinize pleas from states whose unbalanced budgets, embarrassing credit ratings and vastly underfunded pension systems predated virus outbreak.

    “I realize I’ve asked for a lot, but this is an unprecedented situation, and we face the reality that there likely will be additional, unanticipated costs that could result in future requests for assistance,” Harmon, who has been in office since 2003, wrote in the letter.

    It’s absolutely true states and cities are suffering from dramatic revenue losses due to mandatory shutdowns in the retail sector, investment losses in pension funds and high demand for unemployment resources. But to suggest Illinois is worthy of such a generous bailout given its history is preposterous. Just look at the history.

    Illinois’ pension system faced roughly $20 billion in unfunded liabilities in the mid-1990s. Today, those unfunded liabilities — retirement promises to state workers and other government employees — have risen to more than $137 billion, the worst in the country.

    Since 2003, Democrats have controlled the state legislature and failed to stabilize those liabilities. That year under then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich, Illinois borrowed $10 billion and still shorted the pension funds. Lawmakers skipped full payments to the pension funds in 2006 and 2007, then borrowed again to make partial pension payments in subsequent budget years. Even after raising income taxes 67% for four years in 2011, lawmakers stood by as unfunded liabilities rose and rose and rose.”

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    Democrats are looking for everyone to pay for their reigns of financial terror.

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    https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/04/il-senate-democrats-using-wuhan-coronavirus-to-get-federal-aid-to-solve-their-financial-mess/

    “Harmon tried to justify his demands by stating the aid already received went to “costs directly related to the COVID-19 outbreak.” But now the federal government has not addressed the “negative effects to state and local economies across this country.”

    But $41 billion? Harmon wants:

    $10 billion for the state’s depleted pension plans
    “$15 billion in block grant funding to shore up the state’s spending plans for this fiscal year and the next two”
    $9.6 billion for local governments
    $6 billion for unemployment insurance system
    $1 billion to provide public health support for those in the “historically underserved communities.”
    Yes, Harmon wants the federal government to give Illinois $15 billion to help the state spend more for the next 2.5 years.

    Pensions drag down Illinois. Harmon notes in his letter that the state’s “largest liabilities are its unfunded pension liability at $138 billion and other post-employment benefits liability at $54 billion.”

    Harmon forgets that it is not the federal government’s responsibility to bail out state governments. This especially applies to corrupt and wasteful states like Illinois.

    I mean, the CARE Act sent $2.7 billion to Illinois along with $2.2 billion to local communities.”

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    Why should taxpayers in other states reward this type of financial stupidity?

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  2. The children aren’t your’s clown, and they need educational options that work.

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  3. More….

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/harvard_shows_itself_as_grotesquely_greedy_and_hostile_to_parents_and_faith.html

    “Harvard shows itself as grotesquely greedy, hostile to parents and faith”

    “Greed isn’t Harvard’s only problem this week. An article in the latest issue of Harvard Magazine went viral today. It’s entitled “The Risks of Homeschooling” and recounts ideas from Elizabeth Bartholet, the Wasserstein public interest professor of law and faculty director of the law school’s Child Advocacy Program.

    According to Bartholet, keeping children in the hellhole of an American home, one without credentialed parents and, quite possibly, with excess religion, is destroying a generation. The only way to save these children is to put them in public schools — you know, the ones that routinely fail American children.

    Bartholet’s most predictable complaint is that the 50 states don’t impose strict rules on parents, thereby allowing people without the proper credentials to teach their own children. Another concern is that if children are kept at home, there’s no way teachers can report suspected child abuse. If the state’s not spying on you, you must be doing something wrong. As proof of this, Bartholet points to Tara Westover’s memoir, Educated, about her childhood with survivalist parents who educated her minimally while off the grid. Apparently, one memoir is enough to indict an entire cohort of homeschooling parents.

    For Bartholet, though, the worst thing is that homeschooling is…Christian!

    But surveys of homeschoolers show that a majority of such families (by some estimates, up to 90 percent) are driven by conservative Christian beliefs, and seek to remove their children from mainstream culture. Bartholet notes that some of these parents are “extreme religious ideologues” who question science and promote female subservience and white supremacy.

    These evil Christians have prevented legislators from following the more enlightened German and French legislatures, which have banned homeschooling entirely:

    She views the absence of regulations ensuring that homeschooled children receive a meaningful education equivalent to that required in public schools as a threat to U.S. democracy. “From the beginning of compulsory education in this country, we have thought of the government as having some right to educate children so that they become active, productive participants in the larger society,” she says.

    [snip]

    In the United States, Bartholet says, state legislators have been hesitant to restrict the practice because of the Home Schooling Legal Defense Association, a conservative Christian homeschool advocacy group, which she describes as small, well-organized, and “overwhelmingly powerful politically.”

    [snip]

    “The issue is, do we think that parents should have 24/7, essentially authoritarian control over their children from ages zero to 18? I think that’s dangerous,” Bartholet says. “I think it’s always dangerous to put powerful people in charge of the powerless, and to give the powerful ones total authority.”

    The illustration supporting the article shows a sad homeschooled child, locked behind bars in a house made of books, watching public school children play. The books making up the house are “Reading,” “Writing,” “Arithmatic” [sic], and “Bible.””

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  4. Narcissism makes you do stupid things. 🙂

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  5. Some folks aren’t gonna like this news.

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  6. Brutal, because it’s true.

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    Just remember, this is all on Nancy.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/04/not-funny-nancy-pelosi-caused-a-week-delay-in-funding-the-paycheck-protection-program/

    “Not Funny: Nancy Pelosi caused a week delay in funding the Paycheck Protection Program

    The PPP has been out of money since last Thursday, with expanded funding stalled by Pelosi’s demands for unrelated spending. Assuming a deal is reached this week, a week will have been lost. To a business about to go under, a week is a lifetime. Only someone completely out of touch like Pelosi could fail to understand that.”

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    “It appear that finally PPP will be expanded, but only because Republicans agreed to a portion (not all) of the additional funding Pelosi wanted. That funding, for hospitals and testing, was not controversial, but Pelosi’s other objectives, such as unrestricted aid to states to help mostly Democratic states dig out of union pension problems.

    Fox News reports tonight:

    Negotiators from the House, Senate and White House are close to finalizing an accord on the so-called “phase 3.5” response to the coronavirus pandemic and hope to have an agreement late Monday or Tuesday, Fox News is told.

    The response will include $310 billion for the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP), which offers grants to small businesses struggling to make payroll, sources tell Fox News. The $350 billion fund depleted last Thursday.

    A separate provision worth $60 billion (including $50 billion in loans and $10 billion in grants) would be allocated to economic disaster loans. Also included: $75 billion for hospitals and $25 billion for coronavirus testing. The total of the package would be north of $470 billion….

    Speaking on the Senate floor, McConell criticized Democrats for delaying action on replenishing the PPP. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., justified the delay on Sunday by saying she wanted more funding for testing and hospitals — uncontroversial demands that even left-of-center commentators have pointed out that Republicans never opposed.

    “It’s now been four days since the Paycheck Protection Program ran out of money. Republicans have been trying to secure more funding for this critical program for a week and a half now,” McConnell said. “At this hour, our Democratic colleagues are still prolonging their discussions with the administration, so the Senate, regretfully, will not be able to pass more funding for Americans’ paychecks today.”

    Assuming this deal happens, and a bill is passed on Wednesday or Thursday this week, almost an entire week of PPP funding progress will have been lost. That a week in which pending loans, some of which have been sitting at banks since early April, will not be processed and funded, and another week before new applications could be filed.

    To a business about to go under, a week is a lifetime. Only someone completely out of touch like Pelosi could fail to understand that.”

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    No one on the R side was against the funding for hospitals and testing. That could have easily been accomplished, but Pelosi and Dems wanted to be greedy and help the cities/states that Dems are already poorly managing too.

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  7. They don’t care about helping US citizens and workers. They care about leverage and advancing their failed agenda. They even admit it.

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  8. This man should be removed from office for his traitorous crimes against the president and US citizens. He has clearly violated their rights and weaponized the surveillance tools our govt. uses.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/adam_schiffs_dirty_impeachment_tactics_coming_to_light.html

    “Rep. Adam Schiff spent months launching secret impeachment hearings, never thinking his conduct would be called into question.

    He is now caught in the crosshairs of a formidable government agent, Mr. Brendan Carr, Federal Communication Commissioner. The impeachment may be over, but Mr. Carr is formally investigating Rep. Schiff for violating privacy laws — more like obliterating ethical boundaries — by setting up his own surveillance state to target the president’s allies.

    Carr is currently uncovering the diabolical nature of the congressman’s “surveillance state.” At the time, Schiff resorted to such desperate measures because he didn’t have much of an impeachment case: Therefore, he issued secret subpoenas to phone carriers hoping to mine the private data of his political opponents, or in effect ransacking their private lives.

    The objective was to obtain and publish the calls of Trump’s allies.

    Much to his delight, Schiff’s subpoenas to the phone carriers resulted in their turning over nearly 4,000 pages of confidential records, in the process violating their customers’ rights to data privacy.

    None of this has escaped the notice of the top gun at the FCC. Carr is proposing a $200 million fine against the phone carriers for failing to protect their customers who have a legitimate expectation of privacy.

    The FCC commissioner, in reviewing the nearly 4,000 pages, had a very pointed question to ask as part of his investigative letter to the House Intelligence Committee (where Schiff serves as chairman). “Is Rep. Schiff continuing to issue secret subpoenas?” That translates to mean: Does the congressman plan to continue to run roughshod over the private lives of political opponents while employing abusive impeachment tactics?

    Before the FCC stepped in, Schiff had already performed much of his cloak-and-dagger work targeting some of the president’s most ardent supporters. Schiff’s committee took additional clandestine measures in issuing the subpoenas, even slapping a gag order on Republican leaders.

    Undoubtedly, those targeted by the congressman were blindsided by the process because they were deprived of their legal right to fight the surveillance requests. They included Rudy Giuliani, attorney for the president, Rep. Devin Nunes, ranking Republican on the Intelligence Committee, John Solomon, conservative journalist, and others.

    As part of the FCC investigation, Carr dropped a major bombshell, which most likely won’t make the news cycle on CNN or other leftist outlets. Carr lambasted Schiff for “exceeding his authority” by publishing call records that lack “any apparent nexus to the Committee’s legitimate work.””

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    And I’d triple the fines for any carrier that played along with his illegal acts.

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  9. Even more of Schifty’s lies are exposed.

    Nunes was right all along, and he was excoriated by Dems, the media, and Never-Trumpers for daring to tell the truth.

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  10. This will be controversial.

    “Research Projects Reveal Coronavirus Has Lethality Rate in Same Ballpark as Seasonal Influenza”

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    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/stanford-researcher-dr-ioannidis-coronavirus-infection-fatality-rate-ballpark-seasonal-influenza-video/

    “Stanford University researcher Dr. John Ioannidis presented his findings from a recent coronavirus study in Santa Clara, California.

    The research project looked at 3,300 people in Santa Clara County in California. The Stanford study revealed that 2.5% to 4.2% of people tested for COVID-19 were positive for antibodies.

    The data indicates that there are between 50 to 80-fold more infections in the general population than confirmed cases.”

    In describing his findings Dr. Ioannidis concluded that the coronavirus has an infection fatality rate that is in the same ballpark as seasonal influenza. Dr. Ioannidis added, “It suggests that even though this is a very serious problem, we should not fear. It suggests that we have solid ground to have optimism about the possibility of eventually opening our society and gaining back our lives.”

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    More…..

    https://www.andrewbostom.org/2020/04/covid19-lethality-unhysterical-data-are-emerging/

    “Simply and accurately defined, the CFR is the ratio of the number dying from a severe infectious illness, the “numerator,” to the total number infected, the “denominator.” Clear evidence of infection, no matter how severe or mild (even unnoticed by the infected person), is determined, typically, by “immunoassay”, a blood “seroprevalence” test that measures the presence of so-called “antibodies” to an infectious agent such as SARS-Cov2. It is understandable, during the early throes of an outbreak like covid19 disease, that rapid tests which detect (ostensibly) “live virus antigen” (i.e., specific fragments of its genetic code “RNA”), in readily accessible body fluids (eg., from the throat, or mouth), among the most ill, are prioritized, often to the exclusion of blood seroprevalence antibody testing. However, this viral antigen methodology, and testing scheme, overrepresenting the severe cases, introduces profound biases which may vastly underestimate the “denominator” of total cases, especially the mildest, required for determining an actual CFR. Accordingly, as of 4:30pm, Saturday, 4/18/20, accepting at face value the gross over-counting of covid19 fatalities, absent appropriate validation by Centers For Disease Control (CDC), and individual state (glaringly, out of hospital deaths in New York, and Massachusetts) “guidelines”, the widely referenced Johns Hopkins Corona Virus Resource Center (JHCRC) tallied 37,938 deaths. Applying the concurrent JHCRC enumeration of covid19 cases relying solely on selective “live virus” testing, i.e., 4,690,482, yielded 37,938 deaths/ 4,690,482 cases, a CFR of 1.03%.

    Contra these JHCRC tabulations, emerging covid19 case “denominator” findings from both an innovative, thoughtful analysis of U.S. CDC influenza-like illness (ILI) data for March 2020, and initial U.S. seroprevalence assessments (here; here; here), tell a different, less biased CFR story, one very consistent with the historical impact of pandemic influenza on the American population. The 1957-58 influenza A H2N2 virus pandemic, and its overall U.S. mortality, and CFR, provide useful benchmarks for comparison. Also originating (like SARS-Cov2) in China, the CDC estimated that just over 25% of the U.S. population then (census of ~ 170 million), some 45 million persons, were rapidly infected with the new virus between October, and November, 1957. Despite a vaccination program, there were ultimately 116,000 deaths, a resulting pandemic H2N2 influenza A CFR of 0.26% (116,000 deaths/45,000,000 infections).

    Silverman and colleagues analyzed a decade of background non-influenza ILI, per CDC records, and identified a non-influenza ILI surge beginning the first week of March, 2020. They correlated this vast excess of ILI with established SARS-Cov2 proliferation patterns across U.S. states, indicating the surge was indeed due to the new virus, but orders of magnitude greater than the number of covid19 cases reported (i.e., as detected by viral antigen testing). After conservatively re-calibrating their estimates, these investigators calculated that some 8.7 million Americans were infected between March 8 and March 28, 2020. Moreover, when asked specifically about the current number (prevalence) of those infected in the U.S. (as of March 17-19, 2020), given covid19 cases dating back to January, 2020 (on 1/19/20, the first covid19 case was reported in WA state), lead investigator Silverman commented (14:48-15:05), “at least 10% of the U.S. population”—a minimum of ~33 million Americans infected (current U.S. population equaling 329.5 million). The CFR from these data, 37,938 deaths (per the JHCRC)/33,000,000 cases, or 0.11%—generates a current estimate for covid19 less than half the 0.26% CFR of the 1957-58 H2N2 influenza pandemic. As a final CFR comparison between the 1957-58 influenza, and current covid19 pandemics, we can use the latest (3/17/20) much ballyhooed Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) model estimate (the 6th iteration in under 3-weeks: 4/1; 4/5; 4/8; 4/10; 4/13; and 4/17) for covid19 deaths through August 4, 2020, and assume an equivalent number of infections, 45 million each. It is important to note the 4/17/20 IHME model no longer expects “full social distancing through May (2020).” Projecting 60,308 covid19 deaths/ 45,000,000 infections, yields a CFR of 0.13%, half the 1957-58 pandemic influenza CFR.”

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  11. A bit much, no?

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/21/oregon-lockdown-ads-leaving-home-might-make-you-a-murderer/

    “Oregon Lockdown Ads: Leaving Home Might Make You A Murderer

    It’s the pandemic iteration of ‘Have you stopped beating your wife yet?’ ‘If we don’t stay home, 1.4% of all Oregonians could die.’ The current numbers don’t even come close to that.”

    Two ghoulish ads out of Oregon’s “Stay Home Save Lives” campaign aim to keep Oregonians compliant with Gov. Kate Brown’s coronavirus lockdown through falsehood, fear, and guilt.

    A 60-second video titled “Accidental” has garnered more than 2.8 million views on YouTube, not including when it plays as an ad before other videos. By the alarming tone it strikes with its block-lettered assumptions overlaying somber black and white pictures, you’d think Oregon’s health authorities were begging citizens with a hankering for human flesh not to chew their neighbors. It opens with a question we apparently all should be asking ourselves daily: “Did you accidentally kill someone today?”

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    “The fear-mongering in one of the other highly viewed ads is even more blatant and dishonest. Titled “Numbers,” the 31-second video warns: “If we don’t stay home… we will continue to spread the coronavirus. If we don’t stay home, 1.4% of all Oregonians could die.”

    The ad continues: “An average person knows 600 people, meaning 5 people you know could lose their lives.” It ticks through a slideshow of categories like “barista,” “neighbor,” “teammate,” and “hairstylist” to the beep of a heart rate monitor accelerating toward flatlining. The list ends poignantly on “your child” as the beep becomes a sobering monotone.”

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  12. Some interesting court decisions….

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/21/courts-begin-to-halt-selective-government-bans-on-americans-worship/

    “Courts Begin To Halt Selective Government Bans On Americans’ Worship

    Abolishing group gatherings is fine if such limits apply to everyone, but if they only apply to churchgoers that’s a moral and legal problem.”

    “The COVID-19 panic has prompted local and state government officials to temporarily shut down businesses, large group gatherings, and anything else they deem unsafe. Unfortunately, some local officials have taken this too far by targeting religious people. In some states, people of faith have filed lawsuits alleging local authorities have violated their free exercise and free speech rights.

    Even during a global health scare, we must fiercely protect our First Amendment rights. Let’s go through some recent religious freedom litigation case by case.

    Kansas Governor Tightens the Clamps
    Two churches in Kansas got a federal court to grant a restraining order last weekend to keep the provisions from Gov. Laura Kelly’s Executive Order (EO) 20-25 signed on April 17 from taking effect. The churches claimed parts of it infringed on Americans’ constitutional rights to worship freely.

    Kelly’s order not only specifically states people must social distance in a religious setting, but gives at least 26 exemptions to the order such as gatherings in office buildings. The numerous exemptions provide proof that her EO explicitly targets people of faith, singling them out and applying rules to them that are not applied to nonreligious activities.

    For example, Alliance Defending Freedom Senior Counsel Tyson Langhofer told me that based on the order, 100 people could gather to discuss a real estate deal in an office building but 11 people could not gather in that same building for a Bible study: This is an infringement of the First Amendment because the EO’s mandates do not apply equally to both religious and secular activities.

    The two churches suing are in rural settings where Internet service is sketchy so online services are difficult and even drive-in services were difficult due to fuzzy radio service.”

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    “NC Allows Abortions, Bans People Praying 6 Feet Apart

    On April 4, police in Greensboro, North Carolina arrested eight people from “Love Life,” a pro-life organization, who were peacefully praying outside an abortion clinic. Law enforcement officials charged them with violating the city’s ban on mass gatherings due to COVID-19.”

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  13. While I’m sure it seemed like a great idea to the driver, I mean really, who wants to be in an enclosed area with numerous recently deceased Covid 19 victims, the optics are atrocious.

    Head. Desk.

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  14. I mean c’mon, as the pic above shows, someone has at least one foot standing on the bodies. That’s just wrong and disrespectful.

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  15. I don’t think he is standing on the bodies, that would be awkward and unstable. They are covered. They are being transported from site of death to the correct place. The hearses or whatever were probably all full. This may even be in response to the many dead bodies being kept on site a couple of days ago that caused such angst. It may have been the only vehicle available for transport and the bodies needed to be moved. Most people I know, that deal with dead animals, do it respectfully. I assume they same would be offered to dead people.

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  16. Still cogitating on that Harvard thing. I liked the misspelling of arithmetic. But other than that…a sad world view.

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  17. Look at his right foot. It is on the white covering, and as high up as the top of the side of truck bed. That’s about 2 feet. If the bed possesses what we’re told it does, he clearly is standing on the white covering with something underneath. What else would be under there?

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  18. A board? The front of the truck bed? Lots of options. If it was my dead body, and he needed to stabilize on my body (or the body of one of my loved ones) he is welcome to do so. I appreciate they were not leaving the bodies to pile up in the food fridge at the local nursing home or hospital or whatever. Remember, the other places’ morgue was filled and the overflow was refrigerated. Move them along to the medical examiner and proper interment. I appreciate the willingness to improvise and not just whine about lack of properly regulated body movers.

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  19. Like I said….. 🙂

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/xenophobe-in-chief-democrats-blast-trumps-plan-to-suspend-immigration-to-the-us/ar-BB12Yz4K?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

    “Congressional Democrats slammed President Donald Trump after he announced that he plans to suspend immigration to the United States, arguing that such a move does nothing to protect Americans from the coronavirus and deflects attention away from his handling of the outbreak.

    House Democratic Caucus Chairman Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., tweeted that Trump is the “xenophobe. In. chief.”

    “This action is not only an attempt to divert attention away from Trump’s failure to stop the spread of the coronavirus and save lives, but an authoritarian-like move to take advantage of a crisis and advance his anti-immigrant agenda. We must come together to reject his division,” tweeted Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, chairman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.

    Shortly after 10 p.m. ET on Monday, Trump announced in a tweet, “In light of the attack from the Invisible Enemy, as well as the need to protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens, I will be signing an Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States!””

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    They know it’s about protecting US jobs for US workers, but Orange Man is always Bad, and they don’t care about US workers losing jobs to low wage foreigners now, or ever.

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  20. From the David Norton Blog:
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    “FAR more people have died in the last month than normal, proving that Covid deaths are not merely other deaths being counted as Covid. In fact, the number of excess deaths is MORE than what has been attributed to Covid, indicating that Covid deaths are being undercounted, presumably because some are dying before they can be tested or hospitalized. In New York City there are 4 TIMES as many deaths as there would be normally.

    QUOTE At least 28,000 more people have died during the coronavirus pandemic over the last month than the official Covid-19 death counts report, a review of mortality data in 11 countries shows …

    These numbers undermine the notion that many people who have died from the virus may soon have died anyway. In Paris, more than twice the usual number of people have died each day, far more than the peak of a bad flu season. In New York City, the number is now four times the normal amount. …

    the total death numbers offer a more complete portrait of the pandemic, experts say, especially because most countries report only those Covid-19 deaths that occur in hospitals.

    “Whatever number is reported on a given day is going to be a gross underestimate,” …

    “In a lot of places the pandemic has been going on for long enough that there has been sufficient time for late death registrations to come in, giving us a more accurate picture of what the mortality really was.”

    The differences are particularly stark in countries that have been slow to acknowledge the scope of the problem. Istanbul, for example, recorded about 2,100 more deaths than expected from March 9 through April 12 — roughly double the number of coronavirus deaths the government reported for the entire country in that period. …

    In March, the Indonesian government attributed 84 deaths to the coronavirus in Jakarta. But over 1,000 people more than normal were buried in Jakarta cemeteries that month …

    We estimated the excess mortality for each country by comparing the number of people who died from all causes this year with the historical average during the same period. The Economist is also tracking excess deaths in this way.

    In many European countries, recent data show 20 to 30 percent more people have been dying than normal. That translates to tens of thousands of more deaths. UNQUOTE”

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  21. So the question you have to ask yourself Kizzie, is do you believe the NY Times, as your friend David appears to, or do you believe researchers, doctors, and scientists from Stanford, USC, the LA Dept. of Health, and the other researchers who’ve said the same this week?

    To me, it’s not a hard question at all.

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  22. The NYT is falling for the ever changing numbers and changing definitions of what is and isn’t Covid related. They’re using the larger number, of course, which involves counting people who died of things like heart attacks without testing, as a Covid death.

    Fudged numbers are not helpful, especially when other countries are doing the opposite.

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/

    “The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone’s life.

    Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said the federal government is continuing to count the suspected COVID-19 deaths, despite other nations doing the opposite.

    “There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem,” she said during a Tuesday news briefing at the White House. “Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.

    “The intent is … if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that,” she added.

    Asked whether the numbers could skew data the government is trying to collect, Birx said that would mostly apply more to rural areas where testing isn’t being implemented on a wide scale.”

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    Or NY City, which added 3,700 in a little more than 24 hours, all without testing any of them.

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  23. And those with negative tests….

    The NYT clearly has an agenda here. They’re taking Jen (I’m a conservative dammit!) Rubin’s advice and running up the toll because Orange Man Bad and they want to pin as many deaths on him as they can get away with. Truth means nothing to them. Only the agenda….

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  24. AJ – The article had nothing to say about Trump one way or the other. As for David, his expertise is in statistics, and he shares articles from a vast array of sources, taking each article for itself (IOW, not believing or disbelieving an article merely due to its source). The article has links to the Economist and a European death monitoring site. At the end, its sources were listed:

    “Sources: Stephane Helleringer, Johns Hopkins University; Vladimir Shkolnikov, Max Planck Institute for Demographic Research; Tom Moultrie, University of Cape Town; Patrick Gerland, United Nations; S V Subramanian, Harvard University; Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality; Jakarta Department of Parks and Cemeteries; Daily Mortality Surveillance System (Spain); Statistics Netherlands; National Institute of Statistics and Economic Studies (France); Federal Statistical Office (Switzerland); Leroy Mathias, Dupont Yves, Bossuyt Nathalie, Bustos Sierra Natalia. Epistat, Belgium Mortality Monitoring, Sciensano (Belgium); Statistics Sweden; Office for National Statistics (England & Wales); Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; NYC Department of Health and Mental Hygiene (New York City).”

    Meanwhile, I have read anecdotal evidence by nurses telling of the hard cases and deaths they have been seeing.

    The rate of death and the number of deaths are actually two different questions. Even if the death rate turns out to be about even with the flu, the problems may be that more people overall are (or could be) infected with COVID-19 and that without this social distancing, even more people would become infected and sick, adding more deaths

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  25. About time.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-senate-passes-484-billion-small-business-relief-bill.html

    “The Senate passed a $484 billion coronavirus relief plan that includes aid for small businesses and hospitals and money to expand testing.

    It heads to the House, which hopes to approve the legislation as soon as Thursday.

    Congress will move to pass more legislation after it approves the small business bill this week. “

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  26. But on page 54, it goes on to say:

    “In this context, “confirmation” does not require documentation
    of positive laboratory testing specific for avian or other novel
    influenza A or other identified influenza virus. However,
    coding should be based on the provider’s diagnostic statement
    that the patient has avian influenza, or other novel influenza A,
    for category J09, or has another particular identified strain of
    influenza, such as H1N1 or H3N2, but not identified as novel or
    variant, for category J10.”

    So it sounds like a “diagnostic statement” can be acceptable for flues and for COVID-19.

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