38 thoughts on “News/Politics 1-10-20

  1. This morning I’m trying to figure out how some people mistakenly believe Iran “inadvertently” shot down a passenger jet.

    You don’t accidentally target and fire a missile. It’s a deliberate process with multiple steps. You don’t slip, hit a button, and set one off. This was an intentional act, with a clearly targeted target. They may have erred in selecting their target, but the act was as intentional as it gets. People should stop pretending otherwise.


    “PIERS MORGAN: Deluded liberals will rage and Iran will seek revenge but America looks stronger thanks to Trump’s decision to take out the world’s most dangerous terrorist”

    “I’ve been pondering what to write about Iran’s top military leader Qassem Soleimani ever since he was killed last Friday.

    Sometimes in this high-speed, social media-driven, fake news-corrupted era, patience is a virtue for journalists, especially opinionated columnists like me, and it makes sense to take a pause before committing to any firm conclusions.

    My initial feeling on hearing the news was one of relief that such an obviously despicable human being was dead.

    My second feeling, one that I suspect most people had whatever their view of President Trump’s decision to order Soleimani’s death via a drone strike on his car convoy at Baghdad airport, was concern at what this meant for world peace.

    But now, five days later, and after Iran hit back at America last night with missile strikes at US bases in Iraq, I know what I think, and it’s this: Trump was absolutely right.

    Let’s be very clear: Soleimani was the world’s most dangerous terrorist.

    No ‘ifs’, no ‘buts’, no carefully-worded equivocation.

    Iran’s second most powerful man was leader of the Quds Force, Iran’s brutally despotic Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, and presided over two decades of despicable terror acts committed by proxy terrorists right across the Middle East, from Iraq to Yemen and Syria to Lebanon.

    As such, he was no different ideologically from other terror leaders like Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden and ISIS commander Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

    Like them, his life was devoted to killing people via terrorism.

    And like them, he was killed by US forces to stop him directing more terror acts.

    Yet unlike Bin Laden and Baghdadi, Soleimani’s death has been met with howls of protests from the world’s liberals.”


  2. They’re self-deluded, and not to be trusted. Thankfully the Trump admin sees this fact too.


    They leak like a sieve.


    “Brooks said, “There were questions asked for specific information and the people on the dais simply did everything they could to get around providing the specific information, which allowed the inference that they had reservations about sharing that classified information with Congress in that kind of setting — which in turn leads to the inference that they had a reasonable amount of distrust as to whether shared classified information would in turn be shared by members of Congress with the news media or our enemies.”

    Brooks pointed to a statement that Vice President Mike Pence gave to Fox News on Thursday as further evidence that U.S. officials wanted to withhold information because they were worried about protecting sources and methods.”

    ““To protect sources and methods, we’re simply not able to share with every member of the House and Senate the intelligence that supported the president’s decision to take out Qassem Soleimani,” Pence told Fox News. “I can assure your viewers that there was a threat of an imminent attack.”

    Responding to Pence’s statement, Brooks said, “That’s very consistent with the concern that Congress cannot be trusted to keep classified information classified.””


    It is sad that they enable our enemies like this, but that’s what they do.

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  3. This terrorist sympathizer should be deported back to the 3rd world hell hole he slithered out of.

    Where else but Rep. Iman’s Dearbornistan.


    “Dearborn imam eulogizes Soleimani, calls his killing a ‘cowardly and heinous act’

    Imam Ibrahim Kazerooni prays for the soul of Qassem Soleimani; tells congregants that “he brought hope to the marginalized and fear to the enemies of Islam, particularly the U.S.””

    “Iraqi-American Sheikh Ibrahim Kazerooni of the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Mich., said in a Jan. 3 sermon that America’s killing of Iranian general Qassem Soleimani and Iraqi Shi’ite militia leader Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis earlier that day was a “cowardly and heinous act,” and that the only countries celebrating his death were the United States, Israel and Saudi Arabia.

    He led a prayer for the souls of Soleimani and al-Muhandis, and told the congregation that Soleimani had “brought hope to the marginalized [and] hatred and fear to the enemies of Islam, particularly the United States.”


  4. And in other news…..

    More winning for Trump policy.


    “U.S. Appeals Court Lifts Block on Using Military Funds for Border Wall

    Two judges who halted the block were appointed by Republican presidents; the dissenter is an Obama appointment.”

    “2020 is sure starting out with a lot of win for President Donald Trump.

    Early last month, U.S. District Judge David Briones barred the Trump administration from using $3.6 billion in military construction funds to pay for the border wall.

    This week, a U.S. federal appeals court stayed the ruling that blocked the use of those funds to build a wall along the country’s border with Mexico.

    The New Orleans-based 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals granted a stay pending the Trump administration’s appeal of a Dec. 10 decision by a federal judge that barred the funding transfer.

    In a 2-1 ruling, the panel noted that the U.S. Supreme Court had stayed an injunction in a similar border wall case from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

    The court also said there was a “substantial likelihood” that the parties challenging the funding transfer – the county of El Paso, Texas, and the Border Network for Human Rights – lacked standing to sue the Trump administration.”


  5. An interesting and scary read…..

    The medications that change who we are


    “They’ve been linked to road rage, pathological gambling, and complicated acts of fraud. Some make us less neurotic, and others may even shape our social relationships. It turns out many ordinary medications don’t just affect our bodies – they affect our brains. Why? And should there be warnings on packets?”

    ““Patient Five” was in his late 50s when a trip to the doctors changed his life.

    He had diabetes, and he had signed up for a study to see if taking a “statin” – a kind of cholesterol-lowering drug – might help. So far, so normal.

    But soon after he began the treatment, his wife began to notice a sinister transformation. A previously reasonable man, he became explosively angry and – out of nowhere – developed a tendency for road rage. During one memorable episode, he warned his family to keep away, lest he put them in hospital.

    Out of fear of what might happen, Patient Five stopped driving. Even as a passenger, his outbursts often forced his wife to abandon their journeys and turn back. Afterwards, she’d leave him alone to watch TV and calm down. She became increasingly fearful for her own safety.

    Then one day, Patient Five had an epiphany. “He was like, ‘Wow, it really seems that these problems started when I enrolled in this study’,” says Beatrice Golomb, who leads a research group at the University of California, San Diego.

    Alarmed, the couple turned to the study’s organisers. “They were very hostile. They said that the two couldn’t possibly be related, that he needed to keep taking the medication, and that he should stay in the study,” says Golomb.

    Ironically, by this point the patient was so cantankerous that he flatly ignored the doctors’ advice. “He swore roundly, stormed out of the office and stopped taking the drug immediately,” she says. Two weeks later, he had his personality back.

    Others have not been so lucky. Over the years, Golomb has collected reports from patients across the United States – tales of broken marriages, destroyed careers, and a surprising number of men who have come unnervingly close to murdering their wives. In almost every case, the symptoms began when they started taking statins, then promptly returned to normal when they stopped; one man repeated this cycle five times before he realised what was going on.”


  6. It’s about time this farce ends.

    McConnell Signs Hawley’s Resolution to Change Senate Rules, Dismiss Articles of Impeachment


    “Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell signed a resolution by Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) that dismisses the articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump:

    Changing the rules would either require a two-thirds vote or for Republicans to deploy the “nuclear” option.

    The resolution would give the House 25 days to send articles of impeachment over to the Senate. After that, a senator could offer a motion to dismiss “with prejudice for failure by the House of Representatives to prosecute such articles” with a simple majority vote, according to Hawley’s proposal.

    McConnell has repeatedly lashed out at Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) for delaying sending over the two articles of impeachment.

    “This is what they have done: They have initiated one of the most grave and most unsettling processes in our Constitution and then refused to allow a resolution,” he said on Thursday.

    ‘The Speaker began something that she herself predicted would be ‘so divisive to the country’ … and now she is unilaterally saying it cannot move forward towards a resolution,” he added.”


    That’s the point, to try and hang a dark cloud over the president, while providing him no opportunity to dispute their lies. It’s rigged, has been from the start.


  7. Sorry ’bout your damn luck.

    Like I said, this isn’t a run away or all out war scenario. Never was, much to the dismay of the left.


    “To The Liberal Media’s Dismay, There Will Be No Disastrous War With Iran

    Only a mainstream media that’s been blinded by hatred of Trump could be this disappointed their predictions of all-out war with Iran haven’t come true.”

    “The last few days have been an ongoing spectacle of media bias and incompetence in the coverage of the Qassem Suleimani strike and its fallout.

    Mainstream outlets, suffering mightily from Trump derangement syndrome, practically rooted for a wider conflict with Iran in the hopes it might damage Trump, then evinced genuine disappointment when Iran backed down after half-heartedly lobbing a few short-range ballistic missiles in the direction of U.S. troops stationed in Iraq, which inflicted no casualties.

    But just think what could have been! Three days ago, The Atlantic’s David A. Graham wrote a piece headlined, “It’s 2003 All Over Again,” in which he argues the recent killing of Iranian general Suleimani by U.S. missile strike last week is just like the runup to the 2003 invasion of Iraq under George W. Bush.

    “The U.S. stands on the brink of an unpredictable war in the Middle East,” Graham writes, then describes a scenario in which an American president, “untutored in foreign affairs,” is pushed into war by a hawkish vice president and a powerful Cabinet secretary seeking to “follow through on their deep-rooted ideological commitments.” Meanwhile, as civilian leaders “march toward war,” military officers seem unprepared and “startled by the administration’s belligerence.”

    See the connection? Graham sure does. “Each new piece of information about President Donald Trump’s decision to assassinate Iranian General Qassem Soleimani produces sobering parallels with the situation 17 years ago.”

    What a difference two days make. After a face-saving missile attack on an Iraqi airbase that houses some U.S. troops, which American officials were apparently told about in advance by Iraqi intermediaries, the fight seems to have gone out of Iran. Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif tweeted Tuesday night that Iran had “concluded proportionate measures” and that it does not “seek escalation”—an admission by Tehran that President Trump had called its bluff and the ayatollahs aren’t willing to risk a broader conflict.

    Further confirmation came when Shiite Cleric Muqtada al-Sadr told pro-Iranian militias in Iraq not to retaliate, saying in a statement, “the crisis is over.”

    On Wednesday, Trump confirmed that no U.S. troops were injured in the missile attack and that Iran now “appears to be standing down.” Instead of ratcheting up the bellicose rhetoric, Trump gave the Iranians an off-ramp, saying America “is ready to embrace peace with all who seek it,” and calling for new multilateral negotiations to replace the defunct 2015 Iran nuclear deal.

    So far, all of this is very unlike the leadup to the Iraq War, let alone the beginning of World War III. To the media’s dismay, Trump isn’t turning into Bush, and Iran isn’t turning into Iraq. In fact, the entire saga has been deterrence-through-strength 101. Trump surgically took out the world’s number-one terrorist and successfully managed a de-escalation with Iran, but all the liberal media can muster in response is fear-mongering, dissimulation, and what amounts to a collective sneer at Trump and his supporters.”


  8. Of course they do…..

    Media, Democrats Continue to Cover for Iran’s Terror Regime


    “Democrats continue strategy of aiding and abetting the terror regime of Iran”

    “Iran could not pay for better cover and crisis communication services than what they are getting from the Democrats and the media. If Iran thought they could use the U.S. media and Democrats to obstruct and interfere with Trump’s Iran strategy, they were right on the money. Yesterday, the Democrat-controlled House voted on a meaningless measure designed to limit Trump’s war powers and generate some anti-Trump propaganda for the news jesters. It’s non-binding so really just a cosmetic gesture. As we all know, nothing is more of a deterrent to an enemy than knowing your opponent is hamstrung to respond to your murderous provocations. The Democrats are here for that.

    Obama’s DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson isn’t playing along. Johnson told Fox News yesterday, “What I have said is that under existing [Justice Department] Office of Legal Counsel [OLC] opinions on the president’s constitutional authority to engage the armed forces without a congressional authorization, if you read those opinions, he had ample constitutional authority to take out General Soleimani, if you regard that as an isolated strike,” Johnson said. “What these OLC opinions say is that the president can take lethal force so long as it’s short of war if it’s in the important national interest. And this and this operation was.”

    Trump knows it’s risky to tell the Democrats anything because they only care about regaining power and not the national interest, they would absolutely risk American lives in order to hurt Trump. In any case, it’s impossible to respond in time-sensitive conditions by convening a bunch of congressional hyenas to debate a military action. That’s why the executive has the power to make these calls. One part of this virtue signalling that is especially hard to swallow is all the pearl-clutching and slobbering about going to Congress to declare war. We didn’t hear a squeak about war powers when Obama was dragging the U.S. and droning all over his favorite places in the Middle East.”


  9. The more we know, the worse it gets.


    “New Details About Meeting FBI Source Suggest Carter Page Was Set Up

    Now that we know Stefan Halper wasn’t a mere fellow dinner guest at the gathering but was instead sitting abreast the table at his own college, it screams ‘set up.’”

    “Yesterday’s exclusive at The Federalist, revealing that Carter Page first met Stefan Halper at a small dinner at Magdalene College in Cambridge, triggered an immediate response from Svetlana Lokhova, the Russian-born British citizen who sued Halper last year for defamation for branding her a Russian spy.

    Magdalene College was Halper’s college, Lokhova tweeted, adding that he held a lifetime fellowship there.

    This added detail raises even more questions concerning the mid-July encounter between Halper and then-Donald Trump campaign advisor Page, given what we now know from Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s investigation into the four Page Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) applications. We know from Horowitz’s report that the FBI tasked Halper, identified solely as Source 2, to target Page, campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, and a high-level Trump campaign member, Sam Clovis. And we know the IG’s report concluded that the FBI had not used any confidential human sources prior to the July 31, 2016, launch of Crossfire Hurricane.

    These facts made Halper’s mid-July encounter with Page at a conference in the United Kingdom suspicious. The added fact that Halper met Page not during the conference proper, but at a small dinner gathering to kick off the conference, seemed even more suspect. Now that we know Halper wasn’t a mere fellow dinner guest at the gathering but was instead sitting abreast the table at his own college, it screams “set-up.”

    One wonders, otherwise, what would prompt one of the limited number of seats at the welcome dinner to be allocated to Page, given the number of dignitaries and distinguished attendees in town for what was billed as “a major international conference focusing on the 2016 U.S. presidential election and implications that this will have for future U.S. foreign policy.”

    So, did Halper have a hand in extending an invite to Page for this private dinner gathering in order to forge a connection with the campaign advisor? He seems to have had the clout to make that call, as one of only ten Life Fellow faculty members of the college, an apparent substantial donor of Magdalene College, and a member of the college’s Buckingham Society, which is reserved to those who have arranged bequests to Magdalene.

    One also wonders whom, besides Halper and Page, attended this intimate dinner gathering. The confirmed speakers for that event included the keynote speaker, former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright; former head of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove; German Ambassador to the UK Peter Ammon; the British former Defense and Foreign Secretary, Sir Malcom Rifkind; the BBC’s diplomatic correspondent, Bridget Kendall; and Republican Party strategist and former Congressman Vin Weber.

    Albright and Dearlove may be the obvious names of interest, but Vin Weber shouldn’t be overlooked. He was a featured speaker at the conference and billed at the time as a “Republican Strategist,” although he would later profess that he couldn’t “imagine remaining a Republican if Trump becomes president,” and promised that “if my vote decided the election, I would vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump.””


    More here on the farce that was the IG report.


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  10. And this is a good thing.


    “The Iranian response to the killing of Qassem Soleimani seems to have been a mix of extreme internal discombobulation — witness the ­funeral stampede, the apparently accidental downing of a passenger plane — and calculated prudence.

    The discombobulation suggested just how shocked the Iranians were by the severity of President Trump’s response to months and months of Tehran’s attacks and provocations.

    The toothlessness of Iran’s missile response surprised everybody who was fearing or predicting or weirdly rooting for worse (since worse would have demonstrated that Trump had been reckless and bad).

    It shouldn’t have been surprising. The purpose of the Soleimani strike was to make it clear that the world’s foremost power would no longer tolerate the ­increasingly intense provocations and offenses Iran had aimed in our direction for four decades and especially the half-year leading to the Soleimani killing.

    Whatever the mullahs are, they aren’t foolish. They pushed, and then they pushed some more, and then they pushed Washington and Trump too far — and their response demonstrates that they know it. The Tehran regime had no way to know what America might do in response to a serious counterassault, and so it didn’t make a serious effort.

    As a high-ranking US official said to me this week, “the Iranians learned what Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio learned in 2016. Nobody out-escalates Donald Trump.”

    It was — so far — a spectacularly effective effort to establish deterrence on Trump’s part. There are two ways this happened. One had to do with the elimination of the specific threat posed by Soleimani.

    A senior diplomat told me ­intelligence reports suggested that Soleimani was the most radical of the Iranian leaders, the one who pushed the hardest for the most extreme actions. If so, his departure from the scene ­silences a powerful confrontational voice at the Iranian table — and thus the killing was a deterrent act in itself.

    It may be true that if you kill one terrorist mastermind, another will rise in his place. But the fact is that masterminds like Soleimani do not grow on trees. If you think of him as the Steve Jobs of state-sponsored terror, then it seems plausible to likely that he will be followed by a less-creative type — the Tim Cook of terror, say.”


  11. Freedom of religion is in our Constitution.
    And that’s a good thing. We need to respect that with all other issues of liberty.
    It’s important.
    But we need to be aware that there is a religion that hates everything we Americans stand for.

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  12. It has already been noted that this is not the first time an airliner was accidentally shot down in the region, and the last time it happened, it was a U.S. Navy captain and crew at fault – the death toll was even higher that time, with 290 killed. If the U.S. Navy can make that mistake, then the Iranians, with their aging Soviet era missile system, also could. Not even the U.S. military thinks this was anything more than a mistake. Furthermore, the worst thing for the Iranian government would be for the Ukrainian and Canadian governments to determine after investigation that the plane was actually shot down by missile. The Iranian people were, before Christmas, enacting mass protests against their government, to the point where the government shut down the internet in an attempt to control the protests. But as Iranian-Canadian Marina Nehmat, author of The Prisoner of Tehran about her experiences as a political prisoner under Khomeini, has observed (https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/to-those-who-have-perished-since-the-iranian-revolution/) any outside military attacks could cause the Iranians to be galvanized behind their government simply in defense of their country – they might hate their government, but they are fiercely loyal to their land. There were more liberal and secular elements in the the 1979 Iranian Revolution that Khomeini took down, but he probably would have had a harder time taking over completely had Iran not been at war with Iraq almost immediately after the Revolution government came to power. So, let the news get out that their government accidentally shot down a plane that had 83 Iranians and 63 Canadians who had family in Iran, and it will serve to enrage the people further against their government. Outside countries do not need to do anything more than prove irrefutably what happened. Iranians have not forgotten what happened to Iran Air Flight 655 in 1988. They will not forget this disaster in either.

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  13. During the Vincennes incident, the antiquated Iranian air traffic control directed the commercial jet into a known and active hostile territory where the US and Iranians were already shooting at each other.

    US authorities were horrified at the downing and actions were taken that it would not happen again. That made the area even more vulnerable for the US military, and certainly, the Iranian government knew it.

    The Iranians today are blaming President Trump for their error rather than admitting a horrible mistake. I understand your point above about the government not wanting to pour gas on the fire.

    It’s terrible when innocents lose their lives–I can’t imagine what the parents of those students are thinking and feeling.

    In “retaliation” for the Vincennes downing, a US Navy wife in San Diego was targeted. She heard a strange rattle in the back of her car while waiting at a stop sign, got out to investigate–and ran away when she saw a pipe bomb attached to her muffler.

    The next year, a personal friend of mine–with whom I had dinner last fall–was named as a possible target.

    Pregnant and with a toddler, she was asked if she wanted to go into protective custody until the Navy could ensure her safety.

    She went home and lived to tell the tale.

    Evil is evil.

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  14. Roscuro,

    Yes, everyone is aware of the Vincennes.

    It does not in anyway excuse or explain the current actions by Iran. So why do you continue to bring it up?

    The US isn’t always the bad guy. You get that, right?


  15. Yikes. I’m glad we don’t suffer such nonsense in the US.

    “Toronto Police Threaten Journalist For Calling Soleimani A Terrorist…”


  16. Now comes the fun part, where this farce id destroyed for the nakedly political hit job it is. 🙂


    And I have to share the first response to the news. 🙂

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  17. Hit them when you must and should, but no need for large scale war. Just continue to apply the pressure, and let the Iranians remove their leaders by whatever methods they see fit.

    This would be even easier to accomplish had Obama not already returned pallets of money to them first. But either way, there’s a new sheriff in town, and the Iranians know it.


    “Pompeo, Mnuchin Announce Sanctions on Iran’s Steel and Iron Industries, Eight Officials

    Trump promised new sanctions that will remain in place until Iran changes its behavior.”

    “Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Secretary of Treasury Steve Mnuchin announced President Donald Trump’s administration placed sanctions on Iran’s textiles, mining, and iron ore sectors.

    The sanctions come after Iran attacked two Iraqi military bases with American troops.

    Mnuchin stated that the administration chose the eight “senior Iranian officials for their involvement and complicity in Tuesday’s ballistic missile strikes.”

    The eight Iranian officials include ” Ali Shamkhani, the Secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council; Mohammad Reza Ashtiani, the Deputy Chief of Staff of Iranian armed forces; and Gholamreza Soleimani, the head of the Basij militia of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC).”

    Pompeo told reporters that intelligence indicated Iran wanted to kill more Americans, which justifies the new sanctions:

    “There is no doubt in my judgment as I observed the Iranian activity in the region that night, they had the full intention of killing US forces, whether that was our military folks or diplomatic folks in the region,” Pompeo said.

    He added: “I’m confident that the response the President has taken is appropriate. The President has said we don’t want war. We want Iran to behave like a normal nation.”

    Pompeo also told the reporters that the government had “specific information on an imminent threat” of an attack on Americans:”


  18. Just gonna leave this here…..



  19. Actually, it goes a long way to helping explain the current actions in Iran, who with a Soviet era missile system would be using radar from the same era when the U.S. shot down an airliner by mistake. So, yes it is quite relevant. There is also the element of self reflection, that if a 1st world military power could make the mistake, then a less well equipped military also could. Even before our prime minister confirmed it was likely an accidental missile strike, Canadian outlets were already drawing comparisons between the two incidents, as the similarities were already apparent (the National Post is a conservative leaning publication): https://nationalpost.com/opinion/colby-cosh-on-flight-ps752-coincidental-calamity-or-mirror-of-vincennes. It is not about blaming the U.S., but rather a reminder that awful mistakes are more likely to occur in a highly charged situation. A military under a dictatorship with aging equipment on high alert for incoming craft on their capital might well be too quick to press the trigger. Once done, even if the mistake was immediately realized, it would be too late. The subsequent reluctance if Iran to admit the mistake is just what would be expected from a beleaguered government sitting on a tinderbox of a country. It is the wealthier families lies who can afford to send their children to university for degrees overseas – a powerful faction to be disaffected once the government’s responsibility becomes clear.

    I also bring up the incident to show that all the talk about the need to hold the Iranians responsible would if it were reversed, also apply to the U.S. Iran uses the tragedy if Iran Air Flight 655 to foment Iranians against America. So, Canadians fails to see the logic of responding the way the


  20. Touche’.



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  22. Rebel media is a rabble-rousing publication that intentionally tries to stir up outrage. One of their journalists tried to insist that the Armenian-Canadian who drove a van down a Toronto sidewalk and killed 10 people was an Islamic terrorist, even though everyone knows Armenians are traditionally Christian – the journalist continued to claim there was a cover-up even after it became apparent the driver had been inspired by the Incel movement. That is the kind of inflammatory nonsense that Rebel engages in, trying to stir up conflict and belief in conspiracy theories. So the police telling one of their journalists they would be arrested for trying to start a fight in the middle of a small pro-Iranian demonstration is deserved. Free speech is limited when it is being used to intentionally provoke violence. Rebel journalists like to go and stir up trouble and whine about their rights being infringed on when their nonsense isn’t tolerated. A real journalist would be simply observing the pro-Iranian protestors and recording their statements, not declaring their own opinions.


  23. Yeah except the two incidents share little other it being the same countries and a missile being involved.

    And so you know, this flight appears to have ignored or overlooked a US ordered no fly zone for the area because they expected a response.



    “U.S. Issued No-Fly Order Over Iran, Iraq Hours Before Ukrainian Plane Downed

    FAA stopped U.S. commercial traffic over the region, potentially saving American lives”


    “Just hours before a Ukrainian plane was shot down Wednesday over Iran, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration issued a no-fly order over Iran and Iraq, potentially saving scores of American lives.

    A Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) warning of potential hazards along flight routes in the war-torn region was first issued Tuesday evening by the FAA, just before a Ukrainian plane crashed near Tehran. U.S. officials believe Iran may have mistakenly shot down the plane in its airspace as tensions with the United States hit new levels.

    “Our NOTAMs were published roughly three hours before the accident,” an FAA spokesman confirmed to the Washington Free Beacon Thursday.”


  24. Even CNN thinks an explanation from the Ukrainian airliner is in order. What reason did they have to take off within hours of a missile attack in the area?

    Some think this is an attempt at blaming the victims, and it might be. But it’s actually a legitimate question too. It seems risky and unwise, especially in hindsight.


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  27. It was an order to U.S. planes – the Ukrainians are not accountable to the Americans. There were similar attempts to blame Malaysian Airlines for the shooting down of their Flight 17 over Eastern Ukraine. The fact is, if planes did not fly over that region of the world in spite of the conflicts taking place below, many passengers would be left stranded. The Iran Air Flight 655 incident is also relevant here, as that flight was taking the same 30min route to Dubai that it had through eight previous years of war between Iraq and Iran. Life has to go on, even in war time. People cannot remain indefinitely in limbo.

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  28. Kevin, they may have been, but they would also have been aware of the reasons for the American no-fly directive – that the risk to American planes would be greater, since the tension was between the U.S. and Iran, not Ukraine and Iran, and none of the passengers on the flight were American. Tehran is in the north of Iran, close to the southern end of the Caspian Sea and quite far away from the border with Iraq, so there was also no reason to fear any accidental collisions with missiles being fired into Iraq (and the barrage fired into Iraq had been over for a few hours). The risk would have seemed manageable. There have also been reports that the flight started nearly 30 minutes late, so that may have confused the Iranian military as to what aircraft was actually in the sky.


  29. They didn’t need to follow the directive, but they should have heeded the warning.

    Either way, it’s stupid to fly in an active war zone, which the whole world was saying it was. The rest just sounds like making excuses for what the Iranians did.

    As for risks, they took a big one, and they paid a heavy toll for picking wrongly. While they didn’t need to “be accountable to the Americans” as you put it, they should have listened. Now they will be held accountable by the survivors families for the needless risk they took.


  30. Roscuro,

    ” Tehran is in the north of Iran, close to the southern end of the Caspian Sea and quite far away from the border with Iraq, so there was also no reason to fear any accidental collisions with missiles being fired into Iraq (and the barrage fired into Iraq had been over for a few hours). The risk would have seemed manageable. ”

    That’s inaccurate.

    The plane was in the air near a military base, and the location of the missile nest was near the airport as well. They weren’t far away at all from the base, or the missile nest that shot them down. In fact, they flew directly between the missile base and anything they might be targeting in Iraq, which was southwest of the base and missile site.. A stupid move.


  31. AJ, not to disagree with most of what you’ve said, what I’m having trouble following is that you seem so sure the crew of a Ukrainian airline flight would necessarily have been aware of a warning issued only a few hours earlier by a US agency.


  32. Aviation info of that type is shared with all air traffic in the region as standard operating procedure, especially when attacks are ongoing as they were hours before.

    The issue here is why would you fly a commercial plane thru the kill box of 2 bases engaged in hostilities and rocket fire mere hours before? They flew right down the middle between the US base in Iraq sitting southwest of the army base in the map above. Sure it was the shortest route, but the most dangerous as well given rocket fire in the area.

    It was a needless and disastrous risk to take. A detour or further delay was clearly in order.


  33. Kevin,

    A little more info about what the US does in this situation.


    “The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said it would ban US carriers from operating in the airspace over Iraq, Iran, the Gulf of Oman and the waters between Iran and Saudi Arabia after Iran launched a missile attack on US-led forces in Iraq.

    Tehran fired more than a dozen ballistic missiles from Iranian territory against at least two Iraqi military bases hosting US-led coalition personnel, the US military said on Tuesday.

    The FAA said it issued the airspace ban “due to heightened military activities and increased political tensions in the Middle East, which present an inadvertent risk to US civil aviation operations”.

    Several non-US airlines had flights over parts of Iraq and Iran at the time, according to FlightRadar24 data. They are not directly affected by the FAA ban, but foreign carriers and their national regulators typically consider US advice carefully when deciding where to fly.”

    Before the latest guidance, the FAA had already prohibited US carriers from flying below 26,000ft over Iraq and from flying over an area of Iranian airspace above the Gulf and Gulf of Oman since Iran shot down a high-altitude US drone last June.

    Singapore Airlines said after the attack on US bases in Iraq that all of its flights would be diverted from Iranian airspace.

    Carriers are increasingly taking steps to limit threats to their planes after Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was shot down in 2014 by a missile over Ukraine, killing all 298 people on board.”


    Everyone in the region was made aware of the risks.


  34. Kevin,

    And as you can see here, when the US warned days ago about flying in the area, several other countries acted appropriately to the warnings. Many took a smart, pro-active approach on their own.


    “Airlines re-route or cancel flights around Iraq, Iran after missile strike on U.S. troops”

    ” Major airlines canceled Iran and Iraq flights on Wednesday and re-routed others away from both countries’ airspace following an Iranian missile strike on U.S.-led forces in Iraq.

    Germany’s Lufthansa, Dubai-based Emirates and low-cost flydubai were among airlines that canceled flights, as the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration barred American carriers from the area. But several other carriers continued operations over the affected airspace.

    Iran early on Wednesday fired more than a dozen ballistic missiles from its territory targeting at least two Iraqi military bases hosting U.S.-led coalition personnel, the U.S. military said.

    Within hours, the FAA barred U.S. carriers from airspace over Iran, the Gulf of Oman and the waters between Iran and Saudi Arabia, citing “heightened military activities and increased political tensions in the Middle East, which present an inadvertent risk to U.S. civil aviation operations”.

    The flight ban came shortly before a Ukraine International Airlines Boeing 737 burst into flames shortly after take-off from Tehran, killing all 176 people aboard in a crash blamed by Ukrainian authorities on an engine failure.

    Non-U.S. operators are not bound by the FAA decision, but they and other regulators consider its advice carefully when determining where to fly. Later on Wednesday, the EU Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) recommended to national authorities that European carriers avoid Iraqi airspace.”


    This was completely avoidable.


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