58 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 7-5-19

  1. Good evening Jo.
    Good morning everyone else.

    From yesterday: Individual rights is a new thing in the world.
    Read the Proverbs.
    The King rules everything but your soul.

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  2. QoD Am I a bird or worm?
    On June 21, the sun went down in Greensboro at 8:40 p.m. Tonight it goes down at 8:39.
    It took almost two weeks for the day to shorten a minute on the evening side.
    It will start moving fast next month.

    As for Aj “waiting”, it’s like an author saying he never read his book.

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  3. Funny, Chas. Morning all. Home again, home again. A friend had me over for dinner which was lovely. She also got me some market produce.
    I had trouble getting to this site. Couldn’t figure out what was wrong. I even unplugged my modem and tried again. Still wouldn’t work. Finally it hit me. Here we have to log on before we can get on the internet. duh…

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  4. Good Morning. I am enjoying being lazy.
    Next week will start a 4 week run of really long days. I may as well rest up now.
    Vanity? The steri strips are starting to fall off and I am beginning to see the scar. Ugh. Oh well, two other worn at work have almost the same one except on had thyroid cancer and one had to have her thyroid removed. I didn’t have that.

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  5. Good morning! The fireworks were not right outside our door (on the street) last night but were in the distance so Miss Bosley stayed in my lap instead of under the bed.

    When I went outside, a mockingbird was dive bombing our visiting cat. I got some food for the cat, and I think the bird left when I came on the scene. I have not seen the mockingbird do that here. Must be a nest nearby.

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  6. Oh that sounds like fun Janice. Do you crochet? I have crocheted a few afghans in the past but no longer..arthritis in the fingers made it difficult. But, I do some hand stitchery. Wool appliqué mats and pillows, pincushions. There is a shoppe in town that has a stitch-in every first Tuesday of the month. Ladies gather together with their projects and chat while working their hand stitched projects. You get to see other projects being done, pick up on some helpful tips from other gals and you can get to know others. The ladies have differing walks in life and several who attend are not followers of Christ. I don’t go every month but when I do it has been fun and at times interesting. You just never know what plan may unfold in our Lord’s timing…

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  7. I haven’t heard anyone else mention this, but I was amazed at the coordination of the flyovers with the president’s speech. Each squad was flying around the flagpole out of range until someone signaled them to be at the Lincoln Memorial in so many minutes.
    There couldn’t have been rehearsals because they would be reported.

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  8. I joined the quilting group at church. I was surprised to find that none of the ladies quilted. Someone got the idea from another church and wanted to do it. It has been an interesting experience, to say the least.

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  9. I remember when son was doing his final fly before leaving Mountain Home. He called us to say they would be flying through some canyons south of us about an hour and a half away. We left immediately, he left a while later. We got into the mountains in time, just as he was flying over. We were thirty miles away, he was closer to four hundred miles away. They made several swoops over us and then left and so did we. Amazing!

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  10. Mumsee – I prefer cotton undies.

    But if you are referring to for undergarments for babies, I would recommend cloth diapers. The diaper covers they have these days are so much better than the old plastic pants.

    On the other hand, disposable diapers are easier, as you don’t have to deal with cleaning the dirty diaper after changing.

    (I used disposable with mine, but Nightingale used cloth with The Boy.)

    Environmentally, there is the matter of the waste of the disposable ones vs. all the water and detergent used to wash the cloth ones.

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  11. To add to the discussion from yesterday, Kyle added this:

    “The word happiness did not mean the same thing in 1776 that it does now.

    The contemporary meaning seems to be a transient emotion based on having an immediate desire met.

    At that time it meant more like satisfaction with one’s life and fulfillment of one’s major goals.
    It meant things like having a house and property, having a career, and having a family. The point of the Declaration was that people had a right to pursue those aspects of life without being hindered by the state.”

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  12. Chas – Re: “The King rules everything but your soul.”

    That’s what God warned the Israelites about their desire for a king, isn’t it? People had more “liberty” under His rule than under a king’s.

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  13. Disposable diapers are so good these days that babies don’t ever get that feeling of being wet or dirty. They even have a little color strip that goes from yellow to blue to let you know. I think that may be what has caused the delay in potty training of recent years (BG turned 3 in September and refused to potty train. “Me no want no Bahbee jeep!” Yes, I was to that point of bribery —actually my friend with the used Barbie Jeep was making the bribe.
    Cloth diapers? My friend M used them and swore her girls potty trained early because of it.
    Papa and Mimi? Papa takes her outside every morning and lets her run around the backyard and play in her pool “nekkid as a jaybird”.
    She startles herself when she tinkles and has poohed at least once in her pool, but is well aware now of what is going on. She tells us now when she has to poo.

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  14. I paint turquoise garden benches. That’s my craft.

    I have a little mystery going on that has me worried — The check I mailed my tax preparer (dated 5/8) for doing my 2018 taxes hasn’t been cashed. At first, I figured he was just letting all the checks come in before cashing them in bulk (though mine also had a written question inserted about a matter from my earlier taxes); but when we got into July, I decided I’d better give him a call. (He’s a friend, we grew up across the street from each other and my mom used his dad, also a CPA, for her taxes before she transferred to the son — so I’ve also used him since her death when I had to start doing the long form; he’s several years older than I am).

    Anyway, I gave him a call this morning and I was surprised when it went to a voicemail for another company, located in the east from what I saw online. It’s possible he lets these folks handle his accounts/business during the off season(?), his business is definitely just a one-man operation now, although he has the office still — this past year he said he had about 300 clients still and didn’t mention anything about retiring or transitioning his accounts elsewhere. It has me concerned and I’m hoping nothing’s happened to him. Anyway, I left a voicemail with this company saying I was a client of his and was trying to reach him, I’m sure they’ll call back although maybe not until Monday as it’s a long holiday weekend for most businesses, I think.
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    We had very loud fireworks last night, I went out onto the front porch and could see them in all directions over the tree lines. As usual, the animals were unnerved by it all 😦 so I was glad when things started quieting down around 10 p.m.

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  15. No crafting groups to join. The elderly women who used to craft, some of whom taught my siblings and I crafts have all passed away now, and their groups died with them. Although we have the skills – we all sew and can embroider, Second and Youngest both crochet and knit, and I have made two quilts – we are far too busy to use them on a regular basis right now. Maybe when we are seniors, we can teach the new generation.

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  16. I believe you are right about the disposables making potty training more difficult. I would probably go with cloth. I did that without the nice covers that are available today. One consideration may be any use for the diapers and covers in the future.

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  17. My mom and I dabbled in quilting — she more than me — years ago and I took a beginners’ class. But I didn’t seem to have the patience for it, though I loved (and still love) quilts.

    That reminds me, I have a quilt top of my mom’s that she’d almost finished just before her death and I always wanted to have that put together but I haven’t.

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  18. Kizzie, it is perhaps true that pursuit of happiness meant at that time the ability to pursue fulfillment and life goals. But the pursuit of such things as a career, family, home, and property, is not, as Jefferson stated it was, a right that the Creator has endowed to humans. God gave a command to humans to be fruitful and multiply (Genesis 1:28), a responsibility the curse of sin made difficult and painful (Genesis 3:16). But humans were never given a right to a family; rather, God asserts His right to open and close the womb (Genesis 30:2, 22), so that the fruit of the womb is within His gift (Psalm 127:3), the gift of life. Work is another human responsibility (Genesis 1:18, 2:15, I Thessalonians 4:11), also made onerous by the curse (Genesis 3:17-19). Houses and property, are, like life, gifts by the hand of God, given and taken at His will (Job 1).

    When it comes to family and property and all those things that all humans hope for to bring them happiness, Christ issues a challenge and a promise for those who take up the challenge (Mark 10:17-31):

    ‘And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” And he said to him, “Teacher, all these I have kept from my youth.” And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” Disheartened by the saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

    ‘And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How difficult it will be for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!” And the disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said to them again, “Children, how difficult it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” And they were exceedingly astonished, and said to him, “Then who can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man it is impossible, but not with God. For all things are possible with God.” Peter began to say to him, “See, we have left everything and followed you.” Jesus said, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”’

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  19. I’m in a small crafting group from church. We mostly work with paper stuff, though, like making gift bags or gift boxes, and I hosted in February and we made Valentine’s cards. I’m not sure the age of all the ladies, but I’m definitely the youngest, and I think all but one are at least 15 years older than me.

    They had a different idea than I did about what a crafting group meant. I thought we would get together and bring our supplies and each work on our own things. Maybe we would announce a theme, like “spring” or “flowers” or “purple,” and we’d bring supplies relevant to that and share supplies, but I would make cards and someone else might make scrapbook pages. Instead, the host has chosen a project and showed us how to do it, and then we have done it. One week it was making necklaces. I chose not to attend the day they were making wreaths for the doorknob. They were cute, but “not me,” and I’d have no place to put one and would feel silly giving it to someone who might not want it. (And we needed to buy the supplies.) But it has mostly been fun and a way to get to know some ladies a bit.

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  20. I found my CPA’s email so sent him an email just saying I wanted to make sure he’d received my check (since it hadn’t been cashed) and that it hadn’t been lost in the mail.

    But I’m worried that something’s not right. 😦 He’s a tie to the “old” neighborhood so while we see each other only once a year it’s one of those relationships you still kind of treasure.

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  21. You’d think if he were transitioning his clients to this other firm (it’s based in VA) he would have sent something out telling us about it, unless it’s just a temporary (off-season) arrangement for some reason. But the check not being cashed is what has me concerned.

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  22. Grandson who was here for a visit, used disposables and that was easy and effective. But I am not fond of the huge amount of waste or the cost. I wondered about the speed of potty training as well. I suspect we will go with a combination. Unless, of course, we go with adoption, which has been mentioned a couple of times. We will support whatever she decides, trying to give her wisdom on all counts. I, however, am already quite attached to the little one.

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  23. Back in the Dark Ages, I used cloth diapers on all mine except when traveling. I was an interviewer for the Navy Relief Society and wrote up a cost-benefit analysis between cloth and disposable and cloth won hands down. I’d imagine it’s the same now.

    We live on a well, though, and didn’t pay for water. I hung out to dry on the line, so I didn’t pay for electricity to dry them most of the year. The best part was I got to keep the diapers afterward and they make great rags.

    Running around naked in the yard is a great way to acclimate children to the need . . . . It works best if your neighbors don’t watch. 🙂

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  24. Kizzie, on your last post from yesterday, which I did not see until after I posted the above:
    I agree that rights has served as an acknowledgement of what is due each other. But my view is that the flawed beginning of the concept of human rights exposes that humans rights are an artificial construction, and as an artificial construction, the concept is breaking down over time.

    Much has been made about certain generations having a sense of entitlement, but to feel entitled to more than we are actually entitled to is simply human nature. Human pride and hunger for power dates back to the beginning of time. That is what I see as being flawed about human rights, that it states what humans are entitled to receive from other humans. Ultimately, in asserting one’s rights, the focus is on the self, not on others. Even struggles for the rights of other, e.g. religious freedom, the advocates argue from self interest, i.e. “If they can take away their right, then they can take away ours.” By failing to take into account the inherent self centeredness of fallen humanity, the Enlightenment concept of rights set the stage for rights becoming an excuse for selfish behaviour.

    I have not denied the goods of having life, liberty, nor the ability to pursue of fulfillment. What I have pointed out is that they are not givens, not things that we can take for granted as belonging to us by right of being born human. I have instead pointed out that they are gifts granted by the Creator and/or responsibilities that we have toward God and one another. The whole law, Paul declared, is encompassed in the phrase, “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself” (Romans 13:9-10). Christ said the first and second greatest commandments were to love God with a whole heart, mind, soul, and strength, and to love our neighbour as ourselves, and when the lawyer who had quizzed Christ tried to justify his own selfishness by inquiring just who that neighbour was, Christ gave an illustration that left no wiggle room for only loving those who loved us (Luke 10:25-37, also Luke 6:31-35). The foundation for how humans treat other humans is not our own rights, but our responsibility to God and our neighbour.

    Humans rights relegated God to a passive Creator who designated birthrights to humans and left them to work out between themselves how to observe those rights. Responsibility acknowledges a God who actively interferes in humanity, setting up governments and taking them down again once His purposes are accomplished. Rights makes the Creator a safe, distant entity who leaves us to pursue our own fulfillment, provided we do not step on other people’s toes. Responsibility holds that God will hold us accountable, bringing grave consequences both now and in eternity for failing to love our neighbour as ourselves. Rights completely leaves our need of a Saviour out of the course of history, rather saying humanity can encompass its own salvation by asserting our rights. But a sense of responsibility to God and other humans will leave us with no doubt of our inability to love either God or our neighbour and our need of the One who loved humanity to the point of laying down His rights and dying in our place.

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  25. Daughter on Okinawa is coming for a visit. She plans to stay ten days. It will be interesting to have the two sisters here. Older one (the one living here) is in constant competition with younger. Which could explain the pregnancy. Younger has not yet told older that she is pregnant again with second child. (this is the one with serious PPD from the baby born in January.) She plans to tell her here, she does not want the competition or the drama that comes from talking with sister. Should be an adventure.

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  26. Roscuro – I understand where you are coming from, but I don’t think that having certain rights within a society negates also having responsibilities. It isn’t either/or to me.

    It can be said that the commandments in the Ten Commandments that are considered “horizontal”, such as the ones about not stealing, not bearing false witness, and not committing adultery, have to do with each of us respecting the “rights” of others, such as the right to own property without it being stolen.

    Of course, you are right that it is not a given that God will allow any of us to own property or have a fulfilling career or whatnot. But that is between God and the individual believer, and no one else should interfere either way, which is why pursuing those things, if God allows, is a right among us.

    I do indeed recognize that the meaning of rights to an unbeliever is going to be different from that of a believer, as with so much else in life. To me, the fact that so many have taken the idea of having rights to an extreme (as in feeling entitled and/or ignoring responsibilities) is not an indictment of the idea of rights, but an indication of how sin spoils everything. (For example, sex in marriage is a God-given gift that has been perverted into all sorts of sins.)

    “Do to others as you would have them do to you” to me encompasses both the idea of recognizing the rights of others as well as our own responsibilities to others.

    You and I are certainly defining the idea of rights quite differently in our own minds. Be assured, though, that even though I have debated these ideas with you, I am also considering your words to me, not merely “arguing”.

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  27. Actually, I shouldn’t have said “not merely ‘arguing’ ” because I consider this more of a discussion of thoughts than an argument. At least, that is my aim.

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  28. Thinking back to when I was young, in my twenties, I made full bedspread size afghans (in the days after college when I was very busy). I worked on them during my lunch break and had a whole small group of ladies in the accounting department that I taught I also taught one of the preschool teachers where I worked how to crochet granny squares, and a swimming instructor at one of Wesley’s group homeschool facilities (it was in a Girls and Boys Club location that had a pool). I don’t think age or stage has a lot to do with it for many people. It is just a nice skill to have. Now I do small dishcloths that I complete in about an hour and give as gifts

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  29. Applied the 2nd turquoise coat on the bottom of the bench; when that dries, I’ll do the top and it’ll be done.

    I’m thinking I’ll do the larger patio bench in the same shade since I like it so much (and I have so much of the paint it left over!). That’ll be a bigger job but now I’ve had some practice.

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  30. The question of diapers: if the baby has allergies from disposables then use cloth as I did to start with. The covers worked well but were fairly expensive. We also used a diaper service for awhile. But, if the young one goes to daycare or preschool, disposables are a necessity. The teachers have to be able to change them very quickly and get rid of them. I had a class of five two-year-old boys (yes, it was too much). They all seemed to poop after snack before the parents came to get them. I had the stinky class. Not fun. We had no changing table so I had to change them using a mat on the floor. Preschool teachers earn their wages. The next year I said I could no longer change diapers because it hurt my back. Then I felt guilty the whole year for not helping the other teacher except to make sure eleven two year olds did not get hurt during that time while she changed them. We had twelve. Way too many!

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  31. Kizzie, don’t worry, I am not considering this discussion in the light of an argument.
    There are some problems that I see with viewing certain of the Ten Commandments as being laws that support the rights of others.

    The purpose behind the prohibition against sins involving other humans, such as murder, sexual immorality, theft, and covetousness, extends far beyond infringing on other people’s rights. Moral purity is not required because committing fornication is violating other people’s rights, but because God requires us to be pure, which is why looking to lust is as sinful as actually committing adultery (Matthew 5:27-32). Moral purity is not simply a matter of social expedience, but of faithfulness to God (I Corinthians 6:12-20). The same goes for covetousness, which like lust happens in the heart, and the result of covetousness, which is theft (John 12:6). Paul states that covetousness is idolatry (Colossians 3:5) and Christ said greed was incompatible with serving God (Luke 16:13-14). Both in the Old and New Testament, God’s people are called not just to outward obedience, but inward holiness. In giving the law, God continually tells Israel, “Be ye holy, as I, the Lord your God am holy”. Christ, in the Sermon on the Mount, commanded, “Be ye therefore perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect” (Matthew 5:48). All the laws of God are not about preserving human rights, but about worshiping God. Humans are made in the image of God, so our treatment of them directly affects our worship of God (Genesis 9:6, James 3:9-10, I John 3:11-17).

    The Ten Commandments were given some 5000 years before the concept of human rights was laid out by the Enlightenment. Interpreting the Commandments regarding human relations as being about protecting human rights would be a modern cultural lens on the words of the eternal God. I would point out that the law given to Moses was for a completely different purpose than the laws that are based on human rights. I have often seen the quote by John Adams on the American Constitution:
    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    But of the law of God, Paul the Apostle says this:
    “We know that the law is not meant for a righteous person, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and irreverent, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral and homosexuals, for kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching based on the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was entrusted to me.” (I Timothy 1:8-11)

    Laws based on human rights depend on the goodness of humanity, while the law of God displays the sinfulness of humanity.

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  32. 1st Arrow was a daycare kid for 3 years, so for him it was disposables only. My other kids had a SAHM, so cloth diapers were more doable, and I always used them at home, and sometimes for short daytime visits elsewhere, for all the later kids except 2nd Arrow, who was disposables only, like her older brother.

    I never used cloth diapers at night, though.

    Potty training age was all over the map with mine, and didn’t correlate with the type of diaper worn. I do think the prevalent use of disposables after they became available on the market has contributed, at least in part, to the later average potty training age we seem to have now, and it’s possible my disposables-only might have potty trained earlier, and/or my cloth diaper wearers later if they had used the kind they didn’t. But I don’t know for sure. My latest to potty train was one of the cloth-diaper wearers. He didn’t potty train much ahead of his younger sister, who is a full 3 1/2 years younger. But he was the one who got severely developmentally delayed after he turned 18 months, so whatever triggered that event and years-long downward spiral probably had much more of an effect on his difficulty potty training than anything having to do with diapers.

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  33. With potty training, son was ready around age two, but asthma and lots of illness happened then along with antibiotics that caused diarrhea. That meant a delay of a year for potty training. It was starting preschool at age two that brought on all the illness. I took him out and restarted him at age three. Sickness continued until we homeschooled first grade. Then he never needed any more antibiotics. He was allergic to many of them by that point. Homeschooling was a gift from God.

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  34. I’ve also heard it recommended to let the child run around naked indoors, but in uncarpeted rooms, for a couple of days, with the potty chair readily available. Those who use paper diapers can switch to cloth for training pants; paper “training pants” are worse than useless.

    Mumsee, when is the baby due?

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  35. I stopped into Lowe’s for some lidded cans (for discarding paint remover etc.) and took a spin through the gardening shop while I was there, picking up 3 lobelia (dark blue) plants to replant into one of my bright Mexican Talvera pots to also put on the little bench (along with the turquoise/light blue metal ‘hose winder bowl’).

    Editor asked me to do a “copy block” (a lengthy caption to go with a photo layout) earlier this morning so I did that but was a little frustrated by the request as it’s a vacation day for me. But that’s the way it is now with our looser, work-from-home, short-staffed operation. Took about an hour, not a big deal. And I’m really just still grateful they ok’d today as a vacation day for me.

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  36. Mumsee, am I right that these are both from your second group, and not biological sisters? That the one who is pregnant with #2 is married but the other one is not? Two children 13 months apart will be difficult at first, but they should play very well together. I had read that about 18 months is an ideal age difference–they’re great playmates, the older won’t show jealousy of the younger, etc. Closer than that can be hard on the mother since her body hasn’t yet recovered and the older may be still nursing when the second pregnancy happens, sleep issues are more difficult, etc., but the children will end up being close to twins and they can be really close. My sister and I are 15 1/2 months apart. My sister was closer to our younger brother when we were growing up than to me. I suspect we might have been closer growing up if we hadn’t had a younger brother OR if he had had a brother near his own age (the closest brother was almost 10 years older than he was), but having three of us growing up together kept us from being super close.

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  37. Dj I love the wispy look of lobelia, not to mention the almost glow in the dark saturation of blue! I had a lovely pot of lobelia growing amongst my dark green bushes in front of the porch a couple of years ago. My master Gardner neighbor came over and gasped! She said she had never been successful at growing them here in the forest. Well it must have been a fluke because I have never gotten one to survive since!! 😑

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  38. Roscuro – I probably “oversold” what I meant to say about those particular commandments. Of course you are right that they have more to do with our relationship to God, and our inner motivations, than to our fellow man. And yet, I think that God intended them, secondarily or as a result, as a protection for others.

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  39. Cheryl – I have heard that the optimum age difference is three years, but I forget why. 😀

    If The Boy ever has a sibling, there is going to be at least a ten year age difference (unless something happens really quickly in the next year and a third). I hope that if another child does come along, they will develop a close relationship eventually.

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  40. Kizzie, I haven’t heard the three-year optimum, but I personally would strongly disagree. My youngest brother was three years younger than I (38 months) and as children that felt like a huge difference. He was impossibly “little” for us to really be much in the way of playmates. I know that sometimes such big gaps come naturally, but I personally always thought that if one could choose sex and age and so forth, the “ideal” would be two children of the same sex 18 months apart, then a two-and-a-half to three-year gap, then two more of the other sex who were 18 months apart. Three years seems to be the gap that a lot of parents choose on purpose so that they won’t have two babies at the same time, but for the sake of the children themselves it seems less than ideal. My little brother and I are close now, but that wasn’t till we were adults and lived in separate states–he was just too much younger than I was.

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  41. Cheryl, these are the first adoptees, a sibling group of three. Twenty is twelve and a half months older than twenty one who is nearly eleven months older than brother. The younger two were very close, the older two squabbled a lot. It should be interesting!

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  42. The spacing between each of my kids, from one to the next, was always 3-4 years except between 4th and 5th Arrows, who are not quite 2.75 years apart. My kids have for the most part gotten along well with each of their siblings all through the years.

    How many big brothers, at age 29, will go to their little 11-year-old sister’s piano competition to cheer her on?

    The bonds between and among my children are many, multi-faceted, and sweet. A true blessing to see how God built our family just as He did, and how He’s forged those bonds that tie them.

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  43. I am so happy all my daughters get along well, too, and make an effort to get together when possible. The first two were about two years apart and the last five years from the second. She had a slightly different experience from the first two and was more mothered by them probably.

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