45 thoughts on “News/Politics 8-5-19

  1. So does this clueless clown not get that he loses a tit for tat like this?

    Let’s be honest, more Americans are killed by Mexicans than the other way around in most every year you want to look at. So go ahead and try it, but you won’t like the response. And no whining when it happens.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mexico-vows-take-legal-action-against-u-s-wake-deadly-n1039096?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

    “Mexico vows to take legal action against U.S. after El Paso massacre

    At least seven of the 20 dead in Saturday’s attack, described by Mexico’s foreign minister as an “act of barbarism,” are Mexican nationals.”

    “Ebrard called Saturday’s shooting an “act of barbarism.”

    “The president has instructed me to ensure that Mexico’s indignation translates into … efficient, prompt, expeditious and forceful legal actions for Mexico to take a role and demand that conditions are established that protect … Mexicans in the United States,” Ebrard said in a video posted on Twitter.”

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    A simple Google search shows I’m right.

    Clean up your own house first.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/garystoller/2018/02/21/mexico-where-more-americans-are-murdered-than-in-all-other-countries-combined/#7ee9a838de37

    “Mexico: Where More Americans Are Murdered Than In All Other Foreign Countries Combined”

    “Advisories released last month by the U.S. State Department tell Americans not to set foot in five Mexican states — Sinaloa, Colima, Michoacan, Guerrero and Tamaulipas — because of violent crime. Traveling to those states is as dangerous, according to the State Department’s safety ratings, as traveling to Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq. And Americans with plans to go to 11 other Mexican states should “reconsider,” the agency says.

    Most recent State Department data may also cause travelers to pause before booking a trip to Mexico. In 2016, according to my analysis of the data, more Americans were reported killed by homicide in Mexico than the combined total of Americans killed by homicide in every other country abroad.

    More than 31 million Americans visited Mexico in 2016, the National Travel & Tourism Office says, and State Department data shows there were reports of 75 American homicide victims there. In comparison, 49 million Americans traveled to all other foreign countries, and 69 were reported killed by homicide.”

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    You were saying…….

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  2. Now on to dirty Joe.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/bidens-corruption-problem.php

    “BIDEN’S CORRUPTION PROBLEM

    Joe Biden is being portrayed as the Democrats’ safest potential presidential nominee, despite his obvious flaws as a candidate. But one wonders how Biden’s history of swamp corruption will play if he actually faces the scrutiny of a national run. Biden’s family has gotten wealthy, like those of so many low-paid “public servants”–Tom Daschle and Harry Reid are obvious examples. How does that happen?

    Politico headlines: “Biden Inc. Over his decades in office, ‘Middle-Class Joe’s’ family fortunes have closely tracked his political career.” It begins:

    The day the Bidens took over Paradigm Global Advisors was a memorable one.

    In the late summer of 2006 Joe Biden’s son Hunter and Joe’s younger brother, James, purchased the firm. On their first day on the job, they showed up with Joe’s other son, Beau, and two large men and ordered the hedge fund’s chief of compliance to fire its president, according to a Paradigm executive who was present.

    After the firing, the two large men escorted the fund’s president out of the firm’s midtown Manhattan office, and James Biden laid out his vision for the fund’s future. “Don’t worry about investors,” he said, according to the executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing fear of retaliation. “We’ve got people all around the world who want to invest in Joe Biden.”

    At the time, the senator was just months away from both assuming the chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and launching his second presidential bid. According to the executive, James Biden made it clear he viewed the fund as a way to take money from rich foreigners who could not legally give money to his older brother or his campaign account. “We’ve got investors lined up in a line of 747s filled with cash ready to invest in this company,” the executive remembers James Biden saying.”

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    The Politico piece….

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/02/joe-biden-investigation-hunter-brother-hedge-fund-money-2020-campaign-227407

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  3. Trump is right again.

    https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2019/08/03/cbs-baltimore-golly-murder-rate-actually-higher-guatemala-honduras-el-salvador/

    “The ongoing social media battle between President Trump and Congressman Elijah Cummings of Maryland has drawn in all sorts of supporters on both sides and provided more than a few amusing moments. One of the most recent spun off from a claim that the President made about Baltimore (Cummings’ home town) having a higher murder rate than some of the most dangerous places in the western hemisphere. It actually came from the White House account, not Trump’s personal one.”

    “As usual, this had heads exploding among democrats who rushed to defend Cummings and claim that the President was “lying” again. Unfortunately for them, at least a few media outlets did their homework and went to fact check the numbers. CBS in Baltimore did the required digging and was forced to concede the unpleasant truth. The President was right. (Emphasis added)

    WJZ reviewed data from 2018, the last full year for which data is available. Data from the U.S. State Department’s Overseas Security Advisory Council lists El Salvador’s murder rate at 50 per 100,000 residents in 2018.

    The council’s report listed Guatemala’s 2018 murder rate at 22 per 100,000.

    Honduras’ 2018 murder rate was not included in OSAC’s annual crime and safety report published in April, but a report from the Observatory of Violence at the National Autonomous University of Honduras gave a figure of 41.4 murders per 100,000 residents.

    HOW DOES BALTIMORE COMPARE?

    Charm City ended 2018 with a total of 309 murders, according to the Baltimore Police Department. So far in 2019, police report 196 homicides have occurred. Using the U.S. Census Bureau’s July 2018 population estimate for the city of 602,495, Baltimore’s 2018 murder rate is 51.3 murders per 100,000 residents.

    The article ends with two simple words. CLAIM: TRUE.”

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  4. And the FBI continues to run cover for Comey.

    Nope. No deep state here…..

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/455228-chris-wrays-fbi-continues-to-cover-for-team-comeys-russia-shenanigans

    “The FBI is going to court to fight the public release of a small number of documents the State Department sent to agents from Christopher Steele, the British intelligence operative and Hillary Clinton-paid political muckraker, during the 2016 election.

    Normally, such Freedom of Information Act cases don’t merit public attention. This one does.

    To hear the FBI tell it, the release of former Deputy Assistant Secretary Kathleen Kavalec’s documents is tantamount to giving up the keys to President Trump’s nuclear briefcase, aiding the enemy or assisting terrorists.

    “We know that terrorist organizations and other hostile or foreign intelligence groups have the capacity and ability to gather information from myriad sources, analyze it and deduce means and methods from disparate details to defeat the U.S. government’s collection efforts,” an FBI assistant section chief swore in an affidavit supporting the request to keep the documents secret.

    The FBI can’t afford to “jeopardize the fragile relationships that exist between the United States and certain foreign governments,” the FBI official declared in another dramatic argument against the conservative group Citizens United’s request to release the memos.

    And if that wasn’t enough, the bureau actually claimed that “FBI special agents have privacy interests from unnecessary, unofficial questioning as to the conduct of investigations and other FBI business.”

    In other words, agents don’t want to have to answer to the public, which pays their salary, when questions arise about the investigative work, as has happened in the Russia case.

    The FBI’s July 10 court filing speaks volumes about Director Christopher Wray’s efforts to thwart the public understanding of what really happened in the FBI’s now-debunked Russia collusion probe.”

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    “On its face, the FBI’s behavior in the Citizens United case isn’t about protecting national security secrets. It’s about protecting the bureau’s reputation from revelations its agents knew derogatory information about Steele and his work before they used his dossier to support a surveillance warrant targeting the Trump campaign and failed to disclose that information to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC).

    And that makes this court fight a waste of taxpayer dollars an unnecessary breach of public trust.

    “Only through our litigation will the American people discover what the political operatives inside the Obama State Department and FBI were doing in 2016 with the fake Steele dossier before the FISA court,” said David N. Bossie, the president of Citizens United.”

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  5. I see on FoxNews that the man who killed 20 people in El Paso could face hate crime charges.
    WOW They got him now!
    Is that worse than murder
    At least they haven’t called him a racist yet.

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  6. Trump says he is open to all ideas that will work.
    It isn’t about what will work anymore.
    It’s about a political agenda. Not that it hasn’t always been.. But there is a hatred for Trump that surpasses everything else.
    I wonder if they will keep trying to impeach him during a second term.
    Seems they would let the ballot box decide.

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  7. Once again, there were red flags….

    https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/bellbrook-police-conduct-investigation-home/74z9iRBtYqBqxOQ6kSsdzL/

    “Dayton Shooting: Suspect ID’d, reportedly had prior hit-list”

    “Chris Baker, who just resigned this summer after 14 years as Bellbrook High School principal, was asked about Betts’ time as a Bellbrook student.Asked about reports that, while a Bellbrook student, Betts was suspended for causing a lockdown by writing a “hit-list” on a bathroom wall, Baker said, “I would not dispute that information, but I don’t want to get involved any more than just making that comment.”A woman who went to high school with Betts recalled the hit-list.“I know he made the list,” she said. “I’m not sure who the names were on there…He had a plan to shoot up the school.”When she first heard about the shooting, she said Betts’ name came to her mind.

    “I guessed it might’ve been him just from that list,” she said.”

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  8. Like I said…..

    https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2019/08/05/wait-mexico-wants-sue-us-el-paso-dangerous/

    “We should all have sympathy and empathy for the families of those who were lost on Saturday, including the legal visitors and tourists from Mexico. But with that said, I have to wonder if AMLO has gone off his meds this week or something. He’s seriously insinuating (if not directly stating) that El Paso is too dangerous and we’re not doing enough to keep visitors safe?

    For anyone who is unable to find a map close to hand, here’s a reminder that El Paso is across the border from Ciudad Juarez in the Mexican state of Chihuahua. If that name sounds familiar it might be because up until around 2012, Juarez was listed by Mexico’s own Citizens’ Council for Public Security and Criminal Justice as being “the most violent city in the world,” largely due to the endless wars between rival drug cartels. Things have improved there a bit since then, of course. According to a report that just came out this March, Juarez is now only the sixth most violent city in the world. And just for the record, five the six most violent cities are all in Mexico. (LA Times, emphasis added)

    In Tijuana, where local gangs have been battling over a lucrative domestic drug market, the report tallied 138 killings per 100,000 residents last year, or about seven killings on average per day. The Mexican resort city of Acapulco was in second place, with 111 killings per 100,000 people. Caracas, the Venezuelan capital, which has been beset by crime and food shortages amid the country’s political crisis, was in third place with 100 killings per 100,000 people.

    The fourth- and fifth-most violent cities, according to the Citizens’ Council, were in two of Mexico’s northern border states: Ciudad Victoria, in the state of Tamaulipas, and Ciudad Juarez, in Chihuahua. Irapuato, a city in the state of Guanajuato that has been the site of fierce battles over control of stolen gasoline, is sixth on the list. There were 15 Mexican cities on the list of 50, more than any other country in the world.

    By comparison, the murder rate in El Paso last year was 2.9 victims per 100,000. Yes… that’s 2.9 as compared to nearly 100 in Juarez. The murder rate in Juarez is nearly double that of Baltimore, and that’s really saying something.”

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    Stay in your lane with that clown car PM Ebrard.

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  9. I posted a link to this last night but it was very late

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/el-paso-shootings-free-speech-curbs/

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    We Should Fear Free-Speech Curbs More Than Exposure to Racist Manifestos
    By JOHN FUND
    August 4, 2019 8:46 PM

    ~ People can decide for themselves what to make of hateful words, whether in Mein Kampf or a murderer’s manifesto. ~

    As horrifying as the killings by the El Paso and Dayton shooters are, let’s not make free speech another casualty of these murders.

    In the wake of the El Paso shootings, many commentators have attacked the Drudge Report for publishing the killer’s alleged 2,300-word manifesto entitled “The Inconvenient Truth.” The document states the killer drew inspiration from white racial-supremacy theories found in a manifesto written by the murderer of 51 Muslims at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, last March.

    The document gets specific in its hate. It denounces the “invasion of Texas” by Hispanics, the “cultural and ethical replacement” of whites, and “race mixing” as “selfish.” …

    In addition to understanding the twisted motivations of mass killers, a reason that it’s important to allow ordinary citizens to access their writings is that the media can’t always be counted to provide a full interpretation or context of their motivations.

    How many Americans know that the El Paso killer also made it clear that he hates automation and corporations, and blames them for a stagnant economy even while he blames Hispanics for environmental degradation? His solution harkens back to the most fanatical views of zero-population-growth advocates: “If we can get rid of enough people,” he wrote, “then our way of life can become more sustainable.” Ambitious left-wing projects such as universal health care and Universal Basic Income “would become far more likely to succeed if tens of millions of dependents are removed.” …

    … No one is denying that white supremacism is on the rise, but people should not have their eyes and ears covered over with cotton wool by those who think they can’t handle the full story. As blogger C. J . Harris Kretzer tweeted:

    People have a right to read the “manifesto” for themselves if only to judge the killer’s motives for themselves as opposed to trusting the media’s interpretation of the killer’s motives. I like to have original source material to view and judge for myself.

    Indeed, Mein Kampf, Hitler’s infamous manifesto, is freely available in most countries. Even German authorities recently legalized its publication, saying that people needed to understand the nature of evil and how it expressed itself. Restricting access to the rantings of mass killers only makes their writings a form of “forbidden fruit” — all the more sought after because they are censored.
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  10. Then just post the manifesto minus the editorializing, like I did yesterday. Then folks can make up their own mind based on facts presented by the author, and not on the editorialized versions of what some journalist thinks they said, like National Review piece.

    Stuff like this…

    “… No one is denying that white supremacism is on the rise, but people should not have their eyes and ears covered over with cotton wool by those who think they can’t handle the full story.”

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    Where’s the stats to back that up? Just saying it’s so may work for Democrats and journalists, but some of us need a little more than that, like hard evidence. Maybe some DoJ stats at least.

    Or just do like Drudge did, just the facts, no editorializing.

    In the shooters own words. You’re all smart enough to figure out what he’s saying without the aid of the talking heads.

    https://drudgereport.com/flashtx.htm

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  11. In other news….

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/08/archaeologists-claim-they-found-the-church-of-the-apostles-in-israel/

    “Archaeologists Claim They Found the Church of the Apostles in Israel

    The church supposedly stood on the home of the apostles Andrew and Peter.”

    “A team of American and Israeli archaeologists claim they found the Church of the Apostles supposedly built over the home of Jesus Christ’s apostles Peter and Andrew. From Fox News:

    Experts from the Kinneret Institute for Galilean Archaeology at Kinneret College, Israel and Nyack College in New York, have been excavating the site of el-Araj on the northern shore of the Sea of Galilee. The archaeologists believe that el-Araj is the site of the ancient Jewish fishing village of Bethsaida, which later became the Roman city of Julias.

    Prof. Steven Notley of Nyack College told Fox News that the group’s previous annual excavations at the site had uncovered evidence of the church’s existence, such as pieces of marble from its chancel screen and small gilded glass blocks called tesserae that were used in ornate church wall mosaics. “These discoveries already informed us that the church was waiting to be found somewhere nearby,” he explained, via email.

    Mordechai Aviam from the Kinneret Academic College said the objects found during the excavations matched descriptions given by early Christian pilgrims and Bavarian Bishop St. Willibald.

    Willibald claimed “Bethsaida lay between the biblical sites of Capernaum and Kursi.”

    The archaeologists have only uncovered the southern portion of the church.”

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    More…

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7303247/Church-Apostles-Israel-dig-uncovers-ruins-sprawling-religious-complex.html?fbclid=IwAR2pthBys3HT9ukcSsoYFaJ2Z-f6R8znqNTt0CcyBm_k_2xXLEZ7xzsroNg

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  12. There are many reasons why Biden is not the best choice for the Democrats his family is not one of them. Anytime this issue is raised one merely has to point to Ivanka and Don Jr.

    Tme has slipped past Biden. 2016 was his year, he missed it. The Democrats need someone who will motivate people to the polls. Biden isn’t the guy.

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  13. Read the manifesto. A rambling collection of white supremacist’s talking points. Even his criticism of corporations is linked to immigration. I’m sure the left will point out the phrases “send them back” and “fake news” in the manifesto. His reference to the Great Replacement shows a familiarity with European racist ideology, where a concern for the “soil” or environment is common.

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  14. Interesting juxtaposition today.

    On one hand, the Mexican president is rightly mocked for his comments on the safety of Mexicans in the US. On the other hand. AJ posts an article comparing Baltimore to Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala.

    Democrats usually run most large cities. Thus you need to give then credit for low murder rate cities as well. For example, cities such as Seattle, Portland, San Jose, New York etc have low murder rates. Much lower than small cities in the old South or rural counties most of them run by Republicans.

    As I pointed out before violence is a bipartisan problem. Both sides can cherry pick stats to blame others but in reality its a problem throughout the US usually accompanied by poverty.

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  15. I read it yesterday before I posted it, in it’s entirety. Twice.

    And as I said then….

    “He’s like a woke leftist with far-right white supremacist tendencies.”

    Or, if you prefer, a far-right white supremacist with woke leftist tendencies.

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    You’re on the left side of things HRW, so let me ask you to explain what reasoning there is for punishing some of these murders more than others with “hate crime” designations?

    Simply because he mentioned hating one group previously, they should have a more severe penalty? It seems like the pro-hate crime crowd thinks they are somehow more serious than the other murders.

    That sounds ridiculous. Why should the 8(?) Mexicans killed carry a more severe penalty than the other murders that occurred in the same event? It’s Texas, the death penalty is the death penalty, which would cover murder, so why is it necessary?

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  16. “As I pointed out before violence is a bipartisan problem. Both sides can cherry pick stats to blame others but in reality its a problem throughout the US usually accompanied by poverty.”

    Yes, but poverty is only part of it, and a real discussion never happens because then we’d have to discuss race and how some groups are more likely to commit certain crimes and you’ll just say we’re racists. We know how that goes.

    Same with the white supremacist thing. It’s largely a problem in the minds of the left of their own making. And like the race card, once played you guys think it means you can dismiss facts you don’t like, as wells as arguments from those you disagree with. More than half of what the left (and media) calls racist or white supremacist in reality, isn’t. I’ve no time for such fruitless endeavors.

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  17. Like someone else said…..

    “Huh. What an odd thing for a racist, white supremacist to say…..”

    “Trump: ‘In One Voice, Our Nation Must Condemn Racism, Bigotry, and White Supremacy’

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  18. The left would normally support this.

    But Orange Man Bad, so we’ll have to wait and see.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-shootings-remarks

    “Trump condemns ‘white supremacy,’ calls for mental health and gun reforms after double mass shootings”

    “President Trump called Monday for reforms at the intersection of mental health and gun laws — including so-called “red flag laws” to take guns from those deemed a public risk — in the wake of back-to-back mass shootings over the weekend that left at least 31 people dead.

    “Our nation is overcome with shock, horror and sorrow,” Trump said, in solemn remarks from the White House. “We are outraged and sickened by this monstrous evil.”

    In unequivocal terms, the president also condemned white supremacy, responding to reports that the shooter in El Paso wrote a racist manifesto.

    “In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy,” Trump said, standing beside Vice President Pence. “These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hatred has no place in America.”

    The president notably did not call for explicit changes to gun laws beyond red flag laws, despite tweeting earlier Monday morning about the possibility of linking background check legislation to immigration reform. However, he said he is open and ready to listen to ideas “that will actually work.”

    Among his list of proposals, Trump called for reforms to mental health laws “to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violence,” adding that we must “make sure those people not only get treatment but when necessary, involuntary confinement.”

    “Mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun,” Trump said, going on to call for red-flag laws to allow the seizure of firearms from those judged to pose a grave risk to public safety.

    The president also called for “cultural” changes, citing violent video games. Further, Trump said he has directed the Justice Department to propose legislation ensuring that those commit hate crimes and mass murders “face the death penalty and that this capital punishment be delivered quickly, decisively, and without years of needless delay.””

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  19. And yes, some of those were mass shootings…..

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/05/chicago-weekend-shootings/

    “Several shootings, including two mass shootings, left seven people dead and 53 injured in Chicago over the weekend, according to ABC 7 Chicago.

    More than a dozen people were injured, and one fatally injured, in two mass shootings in one police district Sunday, ABC reported.

    The first mass shooting occurred around 1:20 a.m. when an unnamed suspect opened fire from a black Chevrolet Camaro in Douglas Park Sunday, according to Chicago CBS.

    The injured include a 21-year-old man shot in the groin, a 25-year-old woman shot in the arm and leg, a 20-year-old man shot in the right side, a 19-year-old woman shot in the right leg, a 22-year-old woman with unknown injuries, a 21-year-old man shot in the left leg and a 23-year-old man shot in the chest and hand.

    A group of unidentified shooters opened fire on people at a block party around 3:45 a.m. Sunday, killing 33-year-old Demetrius Flower and injuring eight others.”

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  20. And we can’t have a serious discussion on this without including the prescribed drugs many of these shooters take, the anti-depressants, all their nasty little side effects, and what not as well.

    I don’t think this country is ready for a serious discussion yet, sadly.

    While this group at the link clearly has an agenda as well, they provide some useful info at the link;

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data

    “Op-Ed: We have studied every mass shooting since 1966. Here’s what we’ve learned about the shooters”

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    “Our goal has been to find new, data-driven pathways for preventing such shootings. Although we haven’t found that mass shooters are all alike, our data do reveal four commonalities among the perpetrators of nearly all the mass shootings we studied.

    First, the vast majority of mass shooters in our study experienced early childhood trauma and exposure to violence at a young age. The nature of their exposure included parental suicide, physical or sexual abuse, neglect, domestic violence, and/or severe bullying. The trauma was often a precursor to mental health concerns, including depression, anxiety, thought disorders or suicidality.”

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  21. And the group behind the study mentions what I said yesterday. Don’t give them what they want. I understand the press wanting all the details, that’s how they write stories, but sometimes not telling all is the more prudent approach, if stopping this is indeed the goal.

    From the link above….

    “One step needs to be depriving potential shooters of the means to carry out their plans. Potential shooting sites can be made less accessible with visible security measures such as metal detectors and police officers. And weapons need to be better controlled, through age restrictions, permit-to-purchase licensing, universal background checks, safe storage campaigns and red-flag laws — measures that help control firearm access for vulnerable individuals or people in crisis.

    Another step is to try to make it more difficult for potential perpetrators to find validation for their planned actions. Media campaigns like #nonotoriety are helping starve perpetrators of the oxygen of publicity, and technology companies are increasingly being held accountable for facilitating mass violence. But we all can slow the spread of mass shootings by changing how we consume, produce, and distribute violent content on media and social media. Don’t like or share violent content. Don’t read or share killers’ manifestos and other hate screeds posted on the internet. We also need to study our current approaches. For example, do lockdown and active shooter drills help children prepare for the worst or hand potential shooters the script for mass violence by normalizing or rehearsing it?

    We also need to, as a society, be more proactive. Most mass public shooters are suicidal, and their crises are often well known to others before the shooting occurs. The vast majority of mass shooters leak their plans ahead of time. People who see or sense something is wrong, however, may not always say something to someone owing to the absence of clear reporting protocols or fear of overreaction and unduly labeling a person as a potential threat. Proactive violence prevention starts with schools, colleges, churches and employers initiating conversations about mental health and establishing systems for identifying individuals in crisis, reporting concerns and reaching out — not with punitive measures but with resources and long-term intervention. Everyone should be trained to recognize the signs of a crisis.”

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  22. DJ,

    Doesn’t matter, either way it’s unhelpful, and full of facts not entered into evidence. It proves my point. How about “Just the facts”?

    And do you really think most folks make the distinction between a news story and a story that’s got breaking news in it, but includes commentary too? C’mon…..

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  23. There is a difference between opinion pieces and straight news. Sadly, the internet has led to mass confusion over this point. The point stands. There’s a difference. Commentary pieces are completely legitimate.

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  24. Your posts are all commentary, right?

    On some of the partisan channels (Fox, etc.) there’s still an effort at keeping the news division separate, but in our culture of everyone throwing out opinions it’s sadly getting lost.

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  25. News consumers have to be extra vigilant these days. And that’s on all of us. Commentary can and should be taken with a grain of salt. It’s opinion.

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  26. Seems strange to add hate crime charges, even in Texas you can only be executed once. Perhaps they added just to ensure the death penalty eould be given.

    I’m old school Marxist/Labour, that is I tend to focus on economics not social issues. If we change the economic structure, social problems will lessen. Thus, i tend to ignore sjw ideas. I do see relevance in identifying hate crimes as motivation can be important. For example, excessive tagging/grafitti can lead to a vandalism charge which usually ends in probation and community service. If the grafitti was a hate crime lets say on the local mosque or temple then adding hate crime is useful for it may change the sentence to include a restorative justice element.

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  27. Obviously crime rates and murder rates are complicated discussions and poverty is only part of answer. The culture of the area needs to be considered. Why is the rural old South historically and consistently more violent than its rural counterparts in the Northeast and Midwest? What cultural dfferences are there? Interestingly the rural white south and the urban black north have a similar honor culture, similar poverty, a gun culture, etc. Of course one can cite many more factors…..and yes race should be discussed (of course, it depends on how you frame it)

    As for the Chicago weekend, the difference is targetted vs random violence. In Chicago the perpetrators had a specific target in mind. In el paso that wasnt the case. Random mass shootings have a shock value.

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  28. Trump is saying the right things but one of his first acts was to rescind restrictions on mentally ill purchasing guns. I don’t have much hope in anything changing in terms of gun laws.

    The US is the only developed nation with a mass shootings problem. It needs to look at what other countries do differently esp at countries culturally similar (Canada and Australia) And then ask why not in the US?

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  29. I’ve always had a problem with the concept of “hate” crimes — crimes should be a person’s actions. The same crime should not receive different penalties for the perpetrator’s motive, perceived or real. It’s punishing people for what’s inside their head and I think that’s a very slippery slope — and an area that’s ripe for subjective rulings, depending who’s defining the “hate.”

    But for now it seems to be entrenched in our legal system.

    And yes, I’d guess that adding as many elements as they can to the charges provides backup and insurance for getting a conviction.

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  30. Btw there’s no woke leftism in that manufesto. Its all right wing white supremacy. It borrows heavily from the European far right so it may appear slightly different from what you might expect.

    White supremacist is an issue. It is domestic terrorism. There is a network of individuals over the internet reinforcing and motivating each other. To ignore it is to be an ostrich. Do people cry race/wolf? Sure just like some people cry Islamic terror/wolf.

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  31. I agree there’s a difference. It’s the media who seems confused. Even their so-called “straight reporting” in most cases includes the writer’s commentary. While that may not be the case in your local paper, it is when it’s the national media.

    And as for The National Review piece you linked, nowhere does it say it’s commentary. It says Politics & Policy.

    And at the end, the reporters line says

    “JOHN FUND is National Review’s national-affairs reporter. @johnfund”

    Doesn’t say editorial, opinion, or commentary anywhere DJ. Not once.

    Check for yourself, show me where I’m wrong.

    And you wonder why folks are confused.

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  32. National Review is a conservative, political website, it has a “point of view,” I would consider any piece I read there to have a conservative slant (although this one contradicts that as you take issue with what you perceive as a liberal slant?).

    I agree that too often straight journalists have strayed from being objective. I only hope the industry will eventually “right” itself, perhaps after this current political whirlwind the nation is in has calmed down in 20+ years or so. Probably not before then.

    So until then, readers need to be especially discerning — and also fair minded in their own views when reading pieces they may not agree with. Dismiss it, but don’t be shocked and angry that a writer has an opinion with which you disagree. Just move on.

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  33. Unfortunately, we’re all getting trained to read only things we agree with. So my other suggestion for media consumers is to branch out and read publications that aren’t necessarily in line with what the reader wants to read or sites that are expressly partisan, left or right. Commentary is fine, pieces written from a conservative or liberal viewpoint on sites promoting those views are fine. But keep also reading the news elsewhere.

    It’s one of the major downsides of the Internet and the 24/7 news cycle with dueling channels, left, right, and otherwise. Nowadays people wouldn’t know an objective news article if it hit them in the face. They’d assume there’s an angle, a “point” being made. Sometimes true, but not always. Bias can also exist in our heads.

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  34. What I have a problem with is when he clearly made statements which had nothing to back them, and acted as if it was established fact. The falsehoods in his opinion was the issue. Truth is supposed to matter, and it would be nice if reporters would keep that in mind when waxing poetic with an opinion disguised as news.

    People always just move on.

    And now look where we are.

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  35. DJ,

    I agree, variety is key, and I do try to read and watch the other side. MSNBC, CNN, NBC, Mother Jones, The Week, etc…

    But that can make your brain hurt after a while. 🙂

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  36. Here’s some good news.

    https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2019/08/05/cesar-sayoc-gets-20-years-pipe-bombs/

    “Cesar Sayoc mailed 16 homemade pipe bombs to people including Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and CNN last year. He was eventually caught after the FBI found a fingerprint on one of the packages and connected it to Sayoc via a prior arrest. Sayoc pleaded guilty to mailing the packages back in March and today he was sentenced to 20 years in prison for his crimes. That was less than the life sentence prosecutors wanted but double the 10 years his attorneys were recommending.”

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  37. An interesting essay (yes, commentary — I don’t always agree with all the points in everything I post; agree or disagree, this struck me as thoughtful):

    https://www.city-journal.org/el-paso-dayton-shootings-2020-election

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    Darker Days Ahead?
    The El Paso and Dayton shootings brought the 2020 presidential election, and America’s future, into sharp and disturbing focus.

    Lance Morrow
    August 5, 2019

    When Hutu tribesmen in Rwanda killed some 800,000 of their Tutsi neighbors over 100 days in 1994, they did not use guns. They worked with machetes, knives, and clubs. Bullets were too expensive. In some cases, the Hutu offered the Tutsi the option of purchasing a bullet to be used on themselves for a quicker death.

    After the El Paso and Dayton mass shootings, I found myself thinking about the Rwandan genocide. …

    America has been fantastically rich and lucky, and on the whole exempt from the ethnic and religious violence in some parts of the world that seems almost a mere facet of human nature—part of the human capacity for evil. It seems that there has always been a binary politics of slaughter, of the kind erupting, for example, among Hindus and Muslims around the time that India gained its independence.

    At first glance, the killings in El Paso and Dayton appear entirely different from such foreign horrors. They were spasms of private madness, one would think—surely not tribal or programmatic or ideological or religious acts. And yet, there seems an inkling in these dramas, and in other recent mass shootings—the one in the Pittsburgh synagogue, for example—of something ominously new in the way of American violence: a whiff or germ or intuition of a new infection, as if the deeds were not just crazy (though certainly they were that), but belonged to a category that might be more sinister; as if they contained the germ of the Rwandan or Bosnian something. In the twenty-first century, such germs go around on the Internet at the speed of light. “Manifestos” appear—electronic solidarities of the like-minded.

    If President Trump and the Democratic presidential candidates had experience of the real thing, of the sort of evil collective violence I am talking about, they would turn aside from the road that leads to the Balkans. Trump would stop playing peekaboo with that universal capacity for evil—would stop poking the beast in the crowds as if to provoke it. Democrats, who share the blame, would drop their tribal identity politics—their pandering embrace of illegal immigration, for instance, with its implication that people are above the law if self-righteous Democrats say that they are. It would be too much to expect them to abandon their hallucinogenic promises of the Big Rock Candy Mountain—gaudy and irresponsible visions that bid fair to reelect the president whom they condemn for being gaudy and irresponsible.

    I’d guess, though, that neither side will stop. They will go on being themselves, oblivious to their own faults. If Trump and the Democrats were Roman Catholics going to confession, they would argue loudly with the priest and tell him that their sins were not sins at all because they are incapable of sin. …

    … Every presidential election tells you something about who Americans are and who they wish to be. This time, the answer will be bitterly inconclusive. Whoever wins, the divisions will remain and probably grow worse. …

    … The Democrats’ obsession with identity politics has colluded with Trump’s provocations to split Americans into polarized tribes—American versions of Croat and Serb, Hutu and Tutsi, Sunni and Shi’ite, Hindu and Muslim. There seems no way to stop this. …
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