59 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 1-31-19

  1. OK Jo. I’m doing it.
    Go back to bed!
    Good morning everyone else.
    It’s 18, just like they said it would be. But it’s supposed to warm up now.

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  2. Take note if you live in a state this applies too.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/29/polar-vortex-halts-u-s-mail-parts-midwest/2716080002/

    “So much for “Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night.” The U.S. mail won’t be delivered Wednesday in large swaths of at least 10 states due to the crippling cold of the polar vortex.

    The USPS announced that no mail will be delivered in parts of Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota, North and South Dakota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Some retail offices of the postal service will be open, but couriers won’t be delivering any mail to those areas.”

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  3. It is almost 5:30 in the morning and 25 degrees in this forest. We will have a high of 46 they say. Yesterday much melting of the snowpack happened and my neighbor and I had our walk…it was lovely. Much concern for those enduring this brutal cold and I think it to be a good call for those working outdoors, postal carriers, to not be out and about! A day or two of non delivery better than risking life. During a blizzard our postal carrier hasn’t even attempt to venture out here which is just good sense.
    The last day of January? Where or where did that month go?!!

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  4. Good morning, all.

    AJ, we’re looking forward to getting as high as those temperatures by this afternoon. It’s -29° right now, but will ascend to just a little below zero. Tomorrow we’ll rise above zero, they say.

    That USA Today article referred to yesterday being the day no mail would be delivered in those parts.

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  5. We’re one of those places where mail won’t be delivered. Funny, since it’s “warmer” today than yesterday. But I’m home again because the forecast called for another round of -20° windchill or lower.

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  6. Our first winter in our CT house, we watched our neighbor across the street out shoveling his driveway as soon as the snow storm calmed down.

    We lived on top of a granite slap, 1/10 of a mile up a rutted road through woods to the highway below (where the neighbor lived across the street). We figured we’d shovel in the morning.

    Error. The snow plows came along the highway (it’s Route 12 for those of you familiar with CT), and dumped three feet of snow in front of the mailbox. It rained then turned to ice and by the time we got down there the next morning, even a pickaxe (which I’m now thinking we didn’t own) couldn’t get through it.

    We had to pick up our mail at the post office for the six weeks it took to finally melt away.

    We always shoved out the mailbox and the bottom of the driveway after that.

    Now that I think about it, we may not have been able to drive up the hill to the house for a week either.

    It’s important to remember this Los Angeles native had never seen it snow until she moved to CT at the age of 22. I was clueless about a lot of things. Having to pay attention to the weather was the first surprise. I didn’t grow up with weather. 🙂

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  7. The header photo is from December. I don’t know what kind of plant that is, but quite a bit of shrubbery around here had leaves that turned color and stayed on the plant (and some have fallen off since, but not all). When we get frost, those leaves are edged with it, as here. Unexpected December color.

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  8. hmm, trying to remember what I was told about cutting and pasting on this chrome….not succeeding.

    Somebody sent me one of those snowday songs that had me laughing and thought I would share it. If you want to google it, it is a youtube of the swartz creek Minnesota snow day song.

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  9. Six, fro the prayer thread.
    As I said yesterday, in Thule, they kept at least one generator running all the time. I presume the heat the generator made from running would keep the fuel from freezing. I don’t know at what temperature it froze, but once started, the machines would always run.

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  10. Mumsee, that’s what my husband was doing at work yesterday — trying to keep the trucks running periodically. (None of the drivers worked yesterday, nor had the warehouse people, who load the trucks, worked the night before.)

    Chas, yeah, I don’t know exactly what the county where my son works does as far as generator use, but the situation could be dire, with the weather as it is, combined with possibly some poor decision-making on the part of whoever handles that. He said that county administrator is an idiot, so who knows what part that has played in some of the problems they’re now facing.

    First Arrow mentioned that someone from Texas is up at the building where son works. The Texas guy said about the frigid temperatures, “I…have…NEVER…felt…anything…like…this.” It’s quite a shock to the system.

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  11. Last week sometime, I mentioned that I had been praying fervently for YA one night. I do pray for her almost every day by name (but every day when included in “our dear friends” – as she is dear to Chickadee), but sometimes I pray especially for her.

    Anyway, a little part of what spurred me to pray that night was being reminded of how narrow-minded and willfully ignorant she can be, as we had one of our now rare Facebook “discussions”. She still holds on to the notion that CPCs are “fake medical centers” that lie to women and don’t help them after they give birth. Also, she had disparaged the source of an article I shared with her, and I pointed out that the source has many liberal views, such as being anti-Trump, pro-choice, pro-LGBT, etc. She replied that holding those views did not make one particularly liberal, but is the bare minimum of being a decent person.

    But what really spurred my heart to pray was a brief discussion we had on a biblical matter. (to be continued)

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  12. Did I ever tell you all about the time, a few years ago, when YA and I were discussing the Christian florist being sued for not providing her services for a same-sex wedding? I pointed out that she was in danger of losing not only her business, but also her home and life savings, and I asked why there couldn’t merely be a fine to pay, but not taking away a person’s whole livelihood. She replied that she didn’t “give a fig” what happened to the woman, even if she lost everything.

    I reminded her of a few verses in the Bible about loving our enemies, and especially fellow believers (which the florist is). Her reply was that she would take that up with Jesus when she sees Him, and explain to Him why she feels the way she does about “horrible people” – as if He would understand why she couldn’t be bothered to obey His word. I shuddered at the thought.

    Well, YA said something similar in this recent discussion. She had brought up one of her favorite verses, the one about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven. (She says this verse “resonates” with her. She hates the rich that much.) I can’t remember exactly what I said or what verses I shared with her, but I also said that that verse should sadden us for those who are so blinded by their treasures or this world.

    This time, her reply was that if Jesus had an issue with her over her attitude, then she would just remind Him of His throwing the money-changers out of the temple. Again, that attitude makes me shudder.

    Even Nightingale, who is currently not a believer, said that YA’s response was wholly inappropriate for one who is supposed to believe in God’s holiness.

    So that is what had me praying fervently for her, as well as her sister and my daughters. The whole discussion (actually, I think there were two discussions on two different posts, but in one day) had me once again remembering why I don’t comment on her posts anymore.

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  13. Janice – You are going to be amazed at how much more clearly you will see! My left cataract, which was the first one removed, was the thickest my surgeon had ever seen. Before surgery, looking only through that eye, I couldn’t make out the facial features on my daughter sitting about three feet away. Her face was just a blur. After surgery, I could see pretty clearly even across the room! (I do still need glasses, but not the strength of prescription I used to have.)

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  14. Kizzie, I’m shaking my head about the conversation with YA. It sounds like she thinks she’s going to set Jesus straight. Wow!

    A couple days ago we were talking about the hottest and coldest temperatures we’d ever been in. I got a new personal record low when I took the dog out (briefly!) this morning, -16F, with -37 wind chill. I hope that remains a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

    6, do you say what state you’re in? Wherever it is, I’m glad I don’t live there. -29, wow! (I realize this isn’t such a big deal for some of our Canadian friends.)

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  15. Mary and Tom moved from NC to Fl. because of his job.
    It got down to 54 in Jacksonville yesterday.
    It was too cold for the kids to play outside.
    It’s all relative, isn’t it?

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  16. Chas, yes, it is all relative. We have many East Coast transplants who complain about “cold” weather here now. 🙂 I actually do think our bodies adapt fairly quickly to new environments.

    We’ve had thunder, lightening and rain here this morning — and I came out to the Jeep to discover a large coolant leak. So after getting to work, I took it to the repair place to have them take a look. Let’s hope it’s a hose or something simple. I’m in the process of trying to find a new, more ‘middle-class’ mechanic, this one is too high-end for me (they specialize in hybrids and most of their clientele is from “The Hill” and drive very nice cars — long story about how I wound up going there maybe a couple years ago, but I laugh sometimes thinking if someone took a photo of the cars waiting in their lot to be serviced, mine would be the part of the picture that “didn’t fit”). I reminded the guy that money’s an issue for me 🙂 — but I did want to take it back to them since they’d put in a new radiator just about 2 years ago or less. So if the leak has something to do with that, it’s covered.

    One of our piers has closed down due to the rain and high surf. We have a stronger storm coming in Saturday. But because of our many years of drought, very few people, if any, will complain about whatever rain comes our way.

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  17. Kevin, I haven’t revealed what state I’m in, other than to make reference once or twice to my living in the Upper Midwest. I’m in one of those states that was mentioned above in AJ’s 7:11 post, but we’re not in your state. We have a car with a University of Michigan window decal on it, though. 🙂

    And you’re right, -29F is probably not that uncommon a thing for our Canadian friends. We don’t get that cold every winter, I am thankful to say. Temperatures like that just hurt, for me anyway, physically. Early in our homeschool years, our older children participated in home school group ice skating at an indoor arena. After two or three hours of being in the 30-something-degree arena, bundled up and chatting with other homeschool parents, I’d still get very cold. It would take about four or five hours at home in a warm house for me to get back to feeling like my body temperature was normal; where my core wasn’t tense, and it no longer felt like there was an air conditioner blowing on the insides of my bones.

    I’m not made for these extremely cold temperatures, and even being in moderately cold temperatures, like around the freezing mark, for a few hours — which temps seem a pleasantly warm thought to me this week! — is hard for me to tolerate.

    Give me that 54° Chas is talking about. 🙂

    On another note, not only are we going to go above zero tomorrow, but on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, they are predicting highs in the 40s. That’s about 70-80 degrees warmer than it was last night!

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  18. Kizzie, 12:16, what Kevin said, first paragraph of his 12:49. Won’t she be surprised when Jesus sets her straight on a few things.

    I’m going to remind Him… I can’t even fathom. Who does she think she is, speaking of our holy and just Lord in that way, like He needs reminders or admonitions or some sort of clue for which she is the messenger?

    Terrible.

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  19. Glad you are praying for her, Kizzie. It sounds like she is possessed. Maybe as Jesus suggested, a combo of prayer and fasting is necessary to bring the rebellious spirit that wants to set God straight out of her. Also, on the rich people, she neglects the following verse that says with God it is possible for the rich to be saved. It is not their wealth that condemns but it is their lack of faith and trust in Jesus. YA is in the same boat with the rich unbelievers. They are all poor in spirit. It almost seems as if there is mental illness going on with her that may be hard to distinguish from being possessed. She is to be pitied and prayed for about her spiritual poverty

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  20. This is Missouri, where the weather changes frequently. A quote attributed to Mark Twain says, “If you don’t like the weather today, wait a little, it will change,” with variations from “a little”, to “a few minutes/hours/days”. Well, that is the case now. Yesterday it was -12 for a low with a high of 1 above. Today it’s up to 20. By Sunday we are supposed to have 60°. Yes, this is Missouri.

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  21. Agree with earlier comments regarding YA’s comments …

    And we also need to remember that “rich” is relative. She is “rich” compared to most of the rest of the world. Perhaps she is the one Jesus is referring to in that verse …

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  22. Peter, we had wind chills well below zero yesterday, and I know it has made it above 10 today, but like you we’re headed to 60 Sunday or Monday.

    And apparently the mail pretty much isn’t being delivered at all this week (we only got part of it Monday–my husband gets scans of what is expected to be delivered–and none since then). He thinks the mail people are wimps, since he dealt with colder than this in Michigan as a little boy. I understand having yesterday off (maybe . . . I’ve never seen it done before), but not the other days. Yesterday was unusually cold; today is simply cold. And cancelling mail three days in a row is more than a minor inconvenience to some people. If they are going to stop mail delivery at 20 degrees now (or whatever the standard they are setting), even here that means some days every winter, and in Minnesota and parts of Michigan that might mean not seeing mail till spring. To those of us who do business by mail, that is not OK.

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  23. I rained hard for hours yesterday, unusual for here. Someone wanted to use the van that I am using. So they hiked up in the rain to get it. I asked nd was able to stop by their home, downhill on the way to market from mine, to get the van back. The roads were in good shape for walking and then I didn’t have to climb the very steep hill with all my market produce. blessed again

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  24. I haven’t seen my car since before Christmas. Prayers appreciated for our auto shop. They were going to look at it this week and let me know. We here all know that it can take months to get parts.

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  25. After saying that we should be saddened by the thought that one’s riches can blind one to the Truth, I said that we should look in the mirror when we read that verse. I told her that our families, which are lower-middle class economically, are rich compared not only to most throughout history, but even in comparison to most of the world today. We have plenty of food in our fridges, safe roofs over our heads, seasonally appropriate clothing, etc.

    She replied that that is not the kind of rich Jesus was talking about, that He was referring to the really, really rich.

    Well, I tried. She is blind, seemingly willfully so. And yet, she believes that she loves Jesus. She recently called herself something like a Progressive Jesus Freak. It was the thought of her one day standing before Him and finding out that He isn’t the Jesus she thinks He is that spurred me to pray fervently that night.

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  26. Kizzie, the problem is she loves not the Jesus of the Bible but a Jesus made in her own image, a political, social justice warrior, not the Lord of the universe. She’s not alone, but it is so sad to see that much hardness in someone who proclaims to be of the faith. I don’t hear a lot of evidence that she’s a believer, sadly. And that’s the most dangerous part, she’s fooled herself and thinks she’s just “fine” with God.

    Far better to be someone who doubts their salvation (due to their own sin or unfaithfulness) than someone who’s pridefully boastful of it on a sinking foundation.

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  27. We are told not to favor rich or poor in the church. That presumably means there are rich people in the church. Will YA love them and be willing to share heaven with them? Jesus loved rich people. One had a tomb ready for him to use.

    Another point is that hating the rich is bigotry. No one should be judged by their class or social standing. I do know that those who claim not to judge, who claim no bigotry etc. seem to have all kinds of it. They are just selective and illogical enough to not recognize the irony

    . Prayer for a softening of the heart and some sense to come to YA seems to be the best course.

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  28. I am curious as to why anyone would be in danger in 50 degree weather, if they are properly dressed? You cannot freeze skin in those temps, as far as I know, and I do not understand why there would be any danger.

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  29. The ending sentence in the Babylon tale….

    However, hypothermia can occur in that situation A person can lose body heat in relatively warm weather. It would take some work but could be done. So, if everybody starts stripping off their clothing and running around, expect hypothermia. Wait, that is already what they do there….never mind. Except in the dog park where they dress appropriately for the weather.

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  30. I was at Rome, NY on business. I and some others from my agency were chatting with some of the Rome guys.
    Outside, it was cold with an occasional snowflake.
    We were shivering, they were remarking on what a nice day it was.

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  31. I visualize DJ stuck in the eye of the needle like Pooh Bear gets stuck going through things because he has been in the honey pot too frequently! DJ, keep trying. You will make it! As for me, I just have a log in my eye that the doctor thinks is a cataract. I am afraid she is in for a big surprise!

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  32. I am sitting on the couch in the office waiting area, and I can see Art struggling with composing a letter. He is a perfectionist so I do not know how late we will be here. I had to remove all the things from the office I was in today because a preparer has appointments in there tomorrow. Wow! Art is at a breaking point so we can leave now. I hope Super Bowl traffic won’t tie us up. Have a good night y’all and enjoy the warming trend!

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  33. 🙂

    I’m having to find a ride home tonight, Jeep will be in the shop overnight. Expensive car drama isn’t what I needed this month.

    But I am grateful I have a car to fix 🙂

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  34. DJ – Sorry to hear how expensive that’s gonna be. 😦

    Kathaleena – Sadly, YA, and others like her, do not see their own hatred while they are busy pointing out how hateful/racist/bigoted others are. To her, as well as some others, merely disagreeing with things like same-sex marriage, the transgender issue, abortion, etc. makes one hateful. She has claimed more than once that people who warn against raising the minimum wage too high “hate the poor”.

    What really blew my mind, though, is when she said that the parents who decide not to vaccinate their children in order to avoid autism “hate autistic children”. (She has had three different posts over a couple years saying this.) Now, I agree with her that vaccines do not cause autism, but I do not believe the anti-vaccination parents hate autistic children.

    A couple years ago, we went round and round on that. (One of her points was that those parents would rather have a dead child than an autistic child.) I tried pointing out that here in the U.S., we have not seen those childhood diseases in so long, that some people don’t realize how deadly or disabling they could be. We parents, I said, want to protect our children from any undue difficulty if we can, and those parents honestly do not think they are putting their children at risk of dying or being disabled from one of those diseases.

    But no, she continued to insist that they hate autistic children, and would rather their child die than be autistic. (She also said that my statement that autistic people may have difficulties in life was derogatory.)

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  35. Btw, those three times that YA posted that thought, she was sharing one of those things that goes around Facebook, she did not write them herself, although she agrees with them. That means there are other folks out there that believe that stuff.

    Nightingale has explained that a lot of the stuff YA shares is from sites that are known to be mostly for younger people, teens to college age, so there is an immaturity, and lack of logic, in a lot of them.

    Nightingale considers herself a feminist, but has expressed her disagreement with many of the younger, immature feminists, the “If a man says it, it’s wrong” crowd.

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  36. Peter – Other places, such as here in Connecticut, have the same kind of saying (“If you don’t like the weather, wait _______ and it’ll change”).

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  37. Kizzie, I am not personally against immunizations, but I know several reasonable people who are, and the longer I live the less I trust that established science is always truthful, so I’m actually sympathetic to the argument.

    I don’t think it is necessarily true that people who are against vaccinations are ignorant of how bad those childhood diseases can be; rather, they know that vaccines themselves can harm and kill and they doubt the effectiveness of them is worth the risk. Or in some cases they have a few they consider worth the risk, but not all of them. And they aren’t convinced that the science shows immunizations to be all that effective. For me personally, the risk of a flu shot is far greater than the potential reward–they don’t necessarily work, shots certainly aren’t good for you, and I only get the flu about once a decade or less (just twice in my adult life, so about every 15 years). In my thinking, my getting shots (which are at best medically iffy, and which in some cases use cells from aborted babies) ten or fifteen times for each time I need it, and assuming that the vaccine will be the right one that one year I need it, would actually be foolish for me to do.

    I know a family in which two of their three children have spent their lives in wheelchairs since early childhood, and they link it to a vaccine. My dad might have died from a flu shot (Mom linked his kidney failure to the vaccine; I myself don’t know what the timing was of the shot, but she made that link). Someone very close to me has a chronic illness he/she believes might be related to vaccines. And my husband has two nephews (through his late wife, and I’ve never met them, thus it’s hard to see them as my own nephews) with profound autism–and whatever the cause, one who has interacted with people with full-blown autism don’t speak of it glibly. It’s a far more more debilitating issue than Down syndrome in terms of ability to engage in community.

    Anyway, I doubt that the issue is lack of awareness of the seriousness of such illnesses. Certainly with illnesses like the chicken pox, which most of us had as a fairly tame childhood illness, that wouldn’t be the case. I’m guessing some parents would be more than willing to vaccinate against serious diseases such as polio if there were a need, but think that vaccinating against dozens of illnesses brings more danger than value to their children. My mother stopped nurses from putting drops in my eyes when I was a baby; she had been a nursing assistant (not sure what “level” of nursing her training equated to) and she knew the purpose of the drops was to protect a baby from what was then called venereal disease after the baby passed through the birth canal. She knew she didn’t have what they were going to treat me for, and she didn’t want harmful, unnecessary things going into my eyes because some other babies might need them. All parents should be given enough information about each vaccine to know likewise whether the risk is greater than the possible reward for that vaccine. Treating vaccines as so safe that all children should have all of them, no matter how low the child’s risk for that disease, is indefensible.

    A few weeks ago I saw a poster or something from decades ago showing two boys, one of them with a heavy case of smallpox (and it was a rather scary image), one of them with just a few smallpox sores. The poster was from the the days when smallpox was a menace, and it pointed out that both of these boys had been exposed to the same person with smallpox; one of the boys had been vaccinated (and thus got only a slight case), and one had not (and thus had a severe case). It was a very sobering picture, and a picture is worth a thousand words. What it wasn’t was a medical argument. It was arguing with anecdotal evidence and with a scary photo. It might “work” to get parents to vaccinate their children, but I honestly have no idea whether what they implied is actually true. And I’m way too cynical of advertising propaganda (which is what that was) to assume it tells the truth. Was there actual evidence that vaccinated children were less likely to get smallpox–less likely by a considerable margin–than unvaccinated children were? I don’t know. But the funny thing is, I would have been more likely to say yes, there probably was such evidence before I saw those photos than I would say that now. Because seeing those photos showed they were making arguments by propaganda, not by evidence, and I am very skeptical of such arguments. If posters like that are really what convinced parents to vaccinate, it may all have been based on a very clever advertising campaign, and not on medical evidence at all. Having seen the posters, I am now left to wonder myself. If I were rearing a family now, I’d sure be doing my own research and not assuming that everything I have heard is true. Drug companies have a lot to gain from selling vaccines–I’d want to do the research for myself.

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  38. I would agree with your statements about vaccines, Cheryl. One that I have seen the damage from first hand is the HPV vaccine. They were young ladies with secondary health issues, ie diabetes, and the vaccine set off a cascade of events leading to permanant mental disability. It is not something to take lightly. I have opted out of some vacvines for my son, ad he is not exposed to those risk factors. If circumstances change, we can revisit those options.

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