67 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 5-5-18

  1. I’ve been working on this for some time. Given some thought to it recently. I thought I might post it in case someone is interested.

    Nobody taught me this. In fact, I have never heard a lesson of the status of a dead person. Though, there is lots of “looking down from heaven on…….”, And lots of unsaved people assuming that “God understands……” “I’m better than most of….” etc. which I reject.

    These are m y thoughts according to my study and reckoning. I’m putting this down for my own benefit. I’m posting it for yours and possibly to evoke comment.

    The unsaved are asleep. The best insight I have on their condition is Rev. 20:13-15. I know Jesus spoke of the rich man in hell asking for a dip of cool water on his tongue. (Luke 16:22) That would infer that he is already in hell, but that contradicts the Rev. 20 account. And I learned in Seminary not to make doctrine out of parables.

    I believe the spirit of a saved person is in Heaven, with the Lord. (Phil. 1:23) Also the thief on the cross. (Lk. 23:43) Roman Catholics do not believe this, but I do. It supports Paul’s comment. In Phil.1:23. But the spirit, not the body, is present. There will be a resurrection of the body when Jesus returns. (1 Thess. 4:16) Also, Paul’s dissertation In I Cor. 15::22-24. There is, v.44 a spiritual body and a natural body. (I’m not sure I understand all of that.) But the resurrection is before the great white throne. The dead in Christ are not involved in that judgment. In fact, may not be aware of it. They are already in Heaven. (Phil. 1:23 again.)

    The appearance of Moses and Elijah to Jesus (Matt. 17:3) present a problem with this theory. Elijah:. ,No problem. He hasn’t died yet. However, Moses died and was buried. (Deut. 34:5) He was in heaven with Elijah, and evidently has a body, though that could be argued. I infer, though it’s hard to imagine, that the spiritual body is more important than the physical body. I have said, here, more than I understand. What I have a hard time understanding is the concept of eternity.

    I once thought that everyone had to die before receiving the spiritual body. But Paul alludes to the fact that we already have a spiritual body when we were born again. (John 3:16) Also, when Jesus returns, those still alive will be transformed without dying. Heavy stuff here.

    Will we know each other in Heaven? Jesus said there is no marrying. But I hope we know each other. Some speculate that we will not actually be in Heaven, but the New Jerusalem, (Rev. 21 has a lot about this), It is possibly where we will dwell, but I haven’t studied much about that. Mostly, I don’t care. However, the Earth will go through some serious renovation during the tribulation period. According to my reckoning, the Earth is not destroyed. There will be a new heaven and a new earth. (Rev. 21:1) I don’t think that means that the constellations that have been out there for millions of years will be affected. That’s another story.

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  2. Morning! Busy days but I need to take time to stop and drink in the beauty that surrounds me! Glad to see Mumsee is back ! I am off and running…after I grab my second cup of coffee….have a most blessed day ya’ll. Chas thank you for sharing that @6:56….I opened my eyes this morning and watch my husband next to me sleeping soundly…and thanked our Lord for the gift of him… ♥️

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  3. Good thoughts, Chas. And I have no argument or comment other than that. I leave all speculative things to those who have the time to ponder them. In God’s time He will provide the answers.

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  4. Along that line, concerning the constant pain some have, disappointments and loneliness, and emotional trials, Paul has some insight in II Corinthians 4;
    16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. 17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. 18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

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  5. Today is the wedding day! Niece and Soon to Be Nephew will be wed this evening at 6:30. (Formerly Worthless) Nephew will be walking his sister down the aisle. BG will seat Nana. It should be lovely. I am so thankful these three have the bond they have and the Nana they have. She is be 81 in June. Age has not slowed her down…it has shrunk her a bit, but hasn’t slowed her down.
    This morning on FB a photo of Pop (father in law) and Papa(my dad) showed up on my pictures from the past. How appropriate. To steal from Chas’ above post, I like to think they are looking down from heaven. Black is saying to Walking Heavy, “Look. Mine is the prettiest”. Walking Heavy is replying, “They are all perfect”.

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  6. Chas – Your comment earlier – “That sometimes all a person needs is a hand to hold and a heart to understand” – is spot on. One of the things I miss most is the feeling of Hubby holding my hand. And yes, a heart to understand. There were things we understood about each other that no one else can understand, even just little things we would find interesting to talk about that would mean nothing to anyone else.

    As for your comment about death and heaven, something that has made me wonder is a couple verses before those you mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15 – “But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.” I think there is another reference elsewhere from Paul about the dead being asleep. And yet he also says that to die is to be with the Lord.

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  7. Thoughts on the differences between heaven and the new earth (which is what I understand believers ultimately will populate and where we will live)?

    I have the (interior) paint consultant coming this morning in a few hours so we’ll see what her thoughts are on how the inside might look. It’s currently a blank slate, literally — all off-white, everywhere.

    There are some bumps in the road at work with our new city editor — she’s taking over for the guy who’s “had us” for decades, he’s been there longer than any of us. So changes she wants to make are going to be challenging all the way around. It’s human nature to say “but that’s not how we’ve – I’ve done it before.” I feel for her. Yesterday one of our more veteran reporters, a Canadian, loud with a strong British accent, early 50s, who’s pretty obstinate even on his good days, got into it with her. It was a classic head-butting match and he left for the day pretty angry while new editor summoned our old editor (who’s still working in the newsroom but in a new, promoted position) into an office to seek counsel or just to vent. It was the second meeting of editors in the newsroom of the day, the first over something that happened the day before — lots of loud, intense conversations going on these days.

    Morale overall continues to be low as well, of course, not helping matters any. We are all watching and waiting for July 1 which is the start of another fiscal period and is when cutbacks are most likely to hit again. Assuming our hedge-fund ownership doesn’t change, most of us think the paper won’t survive another year at this rate. Everyone is busy behind the scenes making backup contingency plans. I completely cleaned my desk drawers out months ago when the last layoffs were swooping down on us, they’re empty, and I instinctively haven’t repopulated them since. We’re all trying to be ready to evacuate when the word comes.

    So I welcome the weekend away from it all, ready to immerse myself in paint chips (consultant says she brings the really BIG ones).

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  8. Regarding Chas’ comments, a dear friend whose opinion I respect (and the wife of a PCA Pastor) says she believes “we all show up at the same time.” I like that perspective, including the timelessness of God – a concept our feeble brains cannot understand.

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  9. Re: My 8:40 & 9:05
    In light of that, some things that seem urgent now seem super trivial.
    But they have to be done anyhow.
    Deal with it as it occurs. (whatever “It” is.)

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  10. I enjoy thinking about the things to come and am looking forward to experiencing it, but will not be surprised if my little details are wrong. It will be good. Whatever He has planned will be far better than I imagine but my imaginings are quite similar to what you posted, Chas and DJ.

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  11. I think we’ll all be surprised at many things.

    Kim, absolutely. I hope she gets the “feel” of the house when she walks in — I am looking for something pretty but also historic, authentic, early California, blending with the house architecture and features. I don’t have a lot of preconceived ideas when it comes to color in here, only that I’d like the wainscoting and wide window-door moldings and trims to stand out with a contrasting shade, probably white or off-white (OK, so I do have that preconceived notion!).

    Sounds like she arrives with a lot of things and she said she has a system for narrowing down ideas that always seems to work for her in each room. We’ll start with larger areas, move to smaller. I’m really not worried about closets, though I know you’re supposed to paint “everything.”

    I also want to quickly show her my exterior colors, maybe squeeze in my question about what shade of blue to use on front door (or whether to stick to the traditional, accepted scheme and use the dark brown accent color there). But she’s already cautioned that we may have to do this in 2 meetings. We’ll see. I expect to get most of my interior answers with this consultation. I *may* decide to do a followup if I think she might be helpful in fine-tuning some of my exterior painting ideas, including ideas for painting front door, concrete porch/steps/patio outdoor surfaces. (I may have to paint some of those things, such as the concrete, in segments, though, I’m sure it’ll all add up to more than I think now).

    When we talked on the phone a couple weeks ago, she told me she was an interior decorator for many (?) years before this S-W gig (but says she needs to stick to advising on paint colors only in her role w/S-W now). She sounds like a grownup (40s, 50s?) so I suspect she’s seen and worked with and in a variety of homes, including old ones like mine since we have so many old homes still in this area.


  12. And casual, not fussy or formal or “contemporary.”

    She said she takes into account the materials of the walls (plaster and wood in my case), the lighting in the room(s). I thought she’d want photos in advance, but she didn’t. And she also cautioned me about picking shades online (which I’d heard before) because different computer screens will project colors and shades differently, you don’t often see the nuances you need to see.


  13. I am trying to catch up but there are a million things to do here as I try to catch up the place and prepare for company this evening so I will just ask. How are Chas and Elvira doing? Is she home yet? Did she have a good stay?


  14. She had to go from rehab back to the hospital on 27 April, Mumsee.
    But she is home now. We have help several hours a day now until she fully recovers.
    I don’t know how long that will be.
    Not long, I hope.
    Her problem was/is “cleveites” , whatever that is.
    It’s in both legs. The broken one is worse. But the break isn’t the problem anymore.


  15. Wonderful, Chas! I am so glad for you both. Take it easy, enjoy the time, and enjoy the help while it is there. You will learn from it and be ready for when it is not so much there.


  16. Just got back from taking my husband to urgent care. Yesterday morning he woke up unable to put weight on his left leg due to pain in his knee being so bad. (Strictly speaking, he can put weight on it but it hurts something awful, even using the walker.) He had a temporary nerve block in the knee a few weeks ago, as part of a plan for a permanent nerve block after two temporary blocks showed it was effective treatment. (The problem is that the cartilage is mostly if not all gone, so it’s bone rubbing on bone.) And it being temporary, the effect was gradually wearing off. No idea why suddenly yesterday it suddenly got so bad (and a lot worse than before the temporary nerve block). Not much they can do, of course, but he got some new pain meds and a referral to orthopedics. Then we went to the med supply store to rent a wheelchair for the weekend so he can make it through two church services. Somehow I don’t think he’s going to be able to do home communion visits, though.

    Regarding death/heaven discussion, one way I have heard it explained is that from the point of view of believers here on earth, those who have died are asleep awaiting the final resurrection. From the point of view of the believers who have died, however, they are already in the presence of God, because, with God, they are outside of time. Not that I spend much time thinking about it though, as it does not seem important to know how all that works exactly.

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  17. I momentarily got confused with 6 arrows’ husband and the hip issue, I was going to suggest to 6 arrows that they go to an urgent care for that as I’m not sure if the hip issue has been diagnosed. A whole lotta physical pain going around.

    Pauline, so a knee replacement is the ultimate fix?

    All our joints are wearing out. The replacement surgeries are becoming more common but not sure how or even if those are covered by insurance plans.

    Paint consultant just left, what a process that all is. We never got past the front room/dining room, but it really helped to narrow things down. Originally she was suggesting a shade that would be lighter on top, darker on the bottom but eventually we wound up with something I liked much better — a pale blue-gray-green on top and a cream on the bottom with possibly the dining area being a gray-brown that would be a graduated darker shade to the cream trim in the room next to it.

    Ceiling, doors, windows would be offset in white. “Greek Villa” to be precise. Who know there were so many different shades of white?

    She’s from Illinois and just moved here 2 years ago so she got lost in the maze of port truck and terminal traffic when her GPS had her coming over the chaotic bridge area (they’re building a new bridge on one end so it’s a madhouse, she wound up in bumper-to-bumper traffic in her little car amid gigantic container trucks).

    Anyway, the 90-minute visit was working from start to finish, no time to ask her my *extra* questions. And the bedrooms I can figure out later maybe just on my own. The front room & dining room (which are contiguous sorta) were/are my main focus. Besides, the outside gets done first, don’t know when I’ll get to the inside.

    She was good at picking up on my tastes, though, and taught me things — like the fact that my floors and furniture (and most of the decor) or all in warm shades, browns, copper, honey-tones. So choosing something of a contrast was important so everything didn’t just blend together too much.

    She spotted my framed Edward Hicks’ “Noah’s Ark” folk art print on the dining room wall and we worked within those color shades, all of which I was surprised to realize I actually love, including the gray-green matting. Clever woman.

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  18. Ah, more news out of our troubled news chain.

    (Singleton was known as “Lean Dean” for his cuts back in the day — but the current cuts go even beyond what he thinks are acceptable.)


    3 top figures at Denver Post, including former owner, quit


    DENVER (AP) — Three top figures at The Denver Post, including its former owner, resigned Friday amid budget and staff cuts made by the newspaper’s New York-based hedge fund owners.

    Several Post reporters tweeted that Dean Singleton had stepped down as chairman and from his position on the editorial board. He owned the newspaper from 1987 until 2013 and saw it through tough economic times and an intense rivalry with the Rocky Mountain News.

    “I once told people I wanted The Post to be one of the 10 best newspapers in America, and I think we achieved that,” Singleton said in an interview published in the newspaper in October.

    Senior editors Dana Coffield and Larry Ryckman also resigned Friday.

    “I’m sad to leave, but it was time to go. I will be rooting for those still fighting the good fight,” Ryckman tweeted.

    The Post published an editorial on April 6 headlined “As vultures circle, The Denver Post must be saved,” calling on Alden Global Capital to sell the newspaper after it cut 30 more positions in the newsroom, leaving it at a fraction of its size just a few years ago. Editorial Page Editor Chuck Plunkett did not inform the newspaper’s editor or owners of his intentions to publish the editorial.

    He resigned Thursday after he said another piece critical of the company was rejected.

    Alden owns a controlling interest in Digital First Media, which owns the Post. …


  19. Pauline, I understand your husband pastor’s a church.
    Will he be able to stand to preach? Or has he made other arrangements?


  20. BG has managed to selfishly make everyone mad at her today including me. I called her father and told him he was in charge of her for the rest of the day. I hope her stepmother can do something with her hair since she didn’t spend the night at the beach like she was supposed to so she slept through her hair and makeup appointment that I paid for. I guess if her cousin hadn’t called her she would still be asleep and would have missed the whole thing.

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  21. I’m tired. Eldest and Eldest Niece returned to their menfolk yesterday and the hordes departed for home today. Once they left, so did I, as I have clinical next week. The city is seasonally about two weeks ahead of where my parents live although it is only a few hours’ commute between the two. At my parents’ place, the leaf buds were just starting to swell; here, there are new leaves on the trees.

    Three weeks ago, you may recall, we had an ice storm that took the power out at my parents’ for eleven hours. Yesterday afternoon, we had a wind storm that made the electricity flicker on and off. When Second and family gave me a ride to the train station this morning, we saw an old church with half the roof ripped off, more than one old barn utterly collapsed, and there were traffic lights missing at one intersection (the wires that had been attached to the lights were dangling from the poles). No tornadoes were reported – it wasn’t really the kind of storm that produces tornadoes – but downbursts can do as much damage.

    My grandmother’s funeral was on Wednesday. The funeral home had a webcam set up, so my mother and I watched it (Eldest in law took his sons to play at a park in a nearby village every morning). My grandmother was a member of the United Church of Canada, which is without doubt the most liberal denomination in Canada (not counting the Unitarians, though, depending on the United Church leadership, there is little to choose between the two), and we were saddened to not hear anything approaching the gospel from the minister officiating. Not once did she mention the name of Christ. My father, however, had been asked to read a portion of Scripture of his own choosing, and he read I Thessalonians 4:13-18.

    As we were watching the funeral, Second came in to ask us to watch her little ones as she had to go help her husband. He had purchased chicks to raise for meat a few weeks ago. He had gone to feed them and found all but seven dead, and gruesomely so at that. When six of the remaining seven disappeared later the same day, with the seventh found similarly slaughtered, we realized that we had a weasel. It couldn’t have been a raccoon, even though raccoons are similarly wanton in killing helpless chicks (I speak from our family’s previous experience), as raccoons are nocturnal. It was heartbreaking, as Second in law is trying to start out in the farming/gardening work that he always wanted to do.

    Altogether, the week has been very bittersweet. The sweet was the young members of the family. Tiny Niece never failed to be thrilled to see me each morning, and her little brother, Sixth Nephew, is at the stage where he smiles and kicks excitedly when people take notice of him. I did the most with Second and Third nephews, as Eldest and Fourth nephews are more loners who do their own thing. Whenever I was outside with Tiny Niece, Second nephew was generally also outside and it was sweet to watch him swing on the double swing with her and climb the climbing tree as she sat on the lowest branch – there are nearly ten years between the two of them, but they got along well.

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  22. dj, last time he asked, he was told insurance would not approve a knee replacement. He was told he was too young for it, because it would wear out. I’m sure with his weight, it would wear out faster than usual.

    Chas, yes, he pastors two churches. The last several weeks he has been preaching sitting down, using a stool he bought that’s easy to move to where everyone can see him while he’s preaching. Usually he leads prayers standing up, but I think tomorrow he might have to do it sitting down.

    The big challenge tomorrow will be that it’s Communion Sunday, so he has to get to the Communion table. Normally he stands behind it (then sits while the elements are being distributed). I’ve watched him hobbling around with the walker yesterday and today, and just to go ten feet or so is quite an effort.


  23. On a more positive note, I’m enjoying listening to a Focus on the Family Radio Theatre production about Bonhoeffer. I bought it around fifteen years ago along with a bunch of books on tape, and from the shape of the box I thought it was on CD, so I set it aside. Then when I finally decided to listen to it, it turned out to be on tape, and I no longer had a working cassette player.

    But my car is in the shop due to something wrong in the transmission (fortunately under warranty, since I replaced it last fall). When I got in the loaner car, I looked for the CD player and couldn’t find one. For a moment I thought it was like my husband’s car, that only has a place to plug in an MP3 player. But the car is much older – it turns out it takes cassette tapes. So now I finally can listen to the Bonhoeffer program, and with luck I’ll have the car long enough to finish the three tapes.

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  24. Pauline, God doesn’t care whether you’re kneeling, sitting or lying down.
    The ancient Jews stood with hands raised, but Paul knelt.
    i.e. It shouldn’t be an issue.
    I’ll be praying.


  25. It’s supposed to cool off a bit today, back down to the lower 70s (yesterday it got up into the low 80s, kind of a shock to the system after generally a pretty cool, overcast spring so far). I’m trying to see if my house stays any cooler than it used to now that all the windows are sealed, fitted and have weather stripping on them. The house seemed to reach the temperature it was outside yesterday and then stop — I think it used to get much hotter inside than the outside temperature by the end of the day before.

    Either way, I had two fans going in the bedroom all night. My ability to open windows also is limited as most all the screens were taken off (a couple are left); for a couple hours before I went to bed I also opened the one in the bedroom with no screen (these windows go almost to the floor, they’re door-sized casement windows) and put a baby gate in it which worked fine — but strange to have the top area completely open to the outside porch without even a screen to buffer. Seems like the newly fitted windows will help some, but the house will still get pretty hot when it’s hot outside.

    Now I’m leaning to the colors on the right …

    Of course everyone on FB has an opinion and are now throwing out entirely different colors. lol Not helpful!

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  26. Stick with the colors you like. You have seen them in your home. So did the consultant. The rest of us haven’t seen the real paint chips in the the house. No one else’s opinion matters including mine.

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  27. People like Kim and the consultant give you an idea of what looks good to the rest of the world and that is a good thing or there would be far too many purple and green and orange and yellow and red houses.

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  28. The 2 sets of colors are very close and either will do fine (the cream color on the right, she suggested, should be reduced/lightened by 25% which they can do at the store).

    So this was the process, it was mostly one of elimination — some shades she said would be too dark, making my long narrow front living area close in too much; others I eliminated (she said it’s easier to know what we don’t like than what we do when starting with this many options)


  29. mumsee, yes, there seem to be distinct “rules” which I can understand — like coloring within the lines. Especially with the outside color choices, that was too big a thing to get wrong, I thought. I think I came up with a pretty but conservative choice on that front. Inside is a little looser, but it’s true that whoever lives there has to like it. It will all blend well enough, I think. I do like the darker brown shade on the right as opposed to the one on the left. Consultant says colors have to stay together in their sets, they can’t be swapped piecemeal or mixed up and still “work.”

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  30. Hmm. It’s tempting. But maybe I’ll be nice to my “little sister” since she’s missed so much. Fifty seven is yours, mumsee. Stay away, Kevin.


  31. Peter, no white planned other than minimal — for window sashes & doors to make them stand out. Paneling, trim moldings will be creamy putty/adobe color, walls will be some version of blue/green.

    That’s the plan we have as of now, anyway.

    Everything now is off-white which has grown a tad dull for me.


  32. Last week we had three days when the temperature got into the high 80s (one day) and low 90s (two days), right after having been very cold. One day I was wearing a sweater and slippers with socks (and yes, other appropriate clothing like a top and pants 🙂 ), and the next day I was in short sleeves and capris, and barefoot. Thankfully, yesterday and today have been more springlike.


  33. Church went OK this morning. At the first church, where the communion table is at the same level as the pews, my husband just stayed in the wheelchair for the entire service except when he got up long enough to break the loaf of bread and pour the juice from the pitcher into the cup. At the other church, he had to hobble up the stairs behind the pulpit area, and he sat most of the time except when it was time for communion, then used the walker to get to the table. Unfortunately, he had forgot that there is one additional step, behind the table, that the chairs sit on, and he nearly tripped. Good thing it was only nearly. He also told me afterward that when you’re standing on one foot (he could use the other for balance but not to put weight on), it’s not a good thing to let yourself sway to the music. He managed not to fall, but just barely.

    He has figured out a way to get around, not well but not in as much pain as before, pointing the foot of his bad leg down as though he were a ballet dancer (his description) as he puts it down, and somehow that puts less stress on the knee. So he’s trying to manage with just a cane and leaning against walls or counters in parts of the house where it’s really hard to maneuver with a walker.

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  34. When my hip was making walking difficult, I found that only putting weight on the toes and ball of the foot helped ease the pain.

    It’s strange – I can walk well now, but sitting is more painful than it was in the beginning. Maybe I shouldn’t say “painful” and use “uncomfortable” or “achy” instead, but there are times when it does get painful.

    I try not to exaggerate about pain, as many people do, but may end up downplaying it instead.

    That reminds me. You know how doctors and nurses ask us to rate our pain on a scale from 1 to 10? Nightingale tells me that they expect people to exaggerate, so they may not believe a high number.


  35. I always wondered about that Lizzie, I mean how do you even compare the pain (as bad as it might feel!) of a sprained ankle with a tumor invading someone’s spine?

    I’d actually hope medical personnel could adjust for all that!

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  36. Why thank you, older brother, I do believe I will take….oh, hi, DJ. Haven’t we met around here before? I seem to recall…


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