67 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 2-27-18

  1. Wow, what amazing energy Miss Kim has! I am ready for bed. Went out and did some more jogging this evening. My face gets so very red. A new level of fitness for me. Had a great conversation with the principal about my problem student. He had some deep insights. Helpful to know that he sees and knows what is happening. Need daily wisdom and endurance, just like Mumsee. Thanks for the thoughts, Janice.

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  2. Good morning, I got to catch up on the weekend threads. We doubled our goat herd yesterday. My son is reading so well. Miguel is continuing with physical therapy. I work. 🙂

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  3. Phos, from yesterday: (And I know this is more appropriate for the “Politics” thread, but it didn’t appear there.
    The US Constitution was written to keep government out of people’s s business. We have slowly countermanded all of it’s provisions.
    It’s about money.
    Somebody else’s money.

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  4. I get a breather this morning before I carry Karen to her appointment. Yay! The sigh heard around the world. I did not get lunch until about 3:30 yesterday. My one fried egg around 7 a.m. did not keep me energized. When I got home I ate a lot of corn chips and raisins and when Art got home I asked him to go to Wendy’s and get a junior burger and small frosty for me. The dieting has stopped for a bit. That is sad to me. We were doing great. Now to find a better way.

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  5. Morning! It is dark outside and I must get a move on…having breakfast in town with my neighbor/former boss…..healing relationships….blessing.
    After breakfast I meet my neighbor (who lost her home in the fire) at 11:30 for lunch…in between breakfast and lunch I am meeting my best friend for a quick chat….her husband filed for divorce and she has now met with the attorney I recommended….so very heartbreaking and I am her listening ear and praying heart….
    Have a blessed day ya’ll….you are a blessing to me!

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  6. Apparently I know nothing about anything which comes as no big surprise to me. So my question of the day: what is the purpose of attending college? For you when you did, if you did or did not, or for your children, if they did or did not?

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  7. Mumsee the purpose of college is:
    1. You have a football team.
    2. You can meet girls..
    3. You have some place to be while you get your life together.
    4 You discover that you aren’t as smart as you thought.
    5 You get to walk in to a receptionist and wear a coat and tie when looking for a job.
    6. If you chose a major course of education, you might acquire some basic skills, e.g. surveying, drafting, computer skill’s, public speaking, etc.

    The results of attending college:
    You will get calls forever from alumni associations asking for money.
    There are other benefits, mostly depending on your course of study.

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  8. My son attended USC and became a chemical engineer.
    His wife attended College of Charleston, majored in History and remained a housewife.
    It worked out well.

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  9. Most of the students I have spoken with, from this town, go to the U of Idaho with the sole purpose of partying. And the thought that they might major in something.

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  10. Son went to Idaho State so he could be an aviation mechanic and further his plan to become a crop duster. But his biggest idea was to live in a house and provide a party location. Now that he has a girlfriend down there, it appears she has stomped down his partying and he is more focused on school. He had all A’s there anyway but now may be learning more.

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  11. We actually got *some* rain last night, not a lot, but we seem to be in a rainy period for the next couple weeks. Either way, this will have to go down as the driest year ever on record. Ridiculous.

    I’m going back to work today, can’t justify another day out for *just* a cold, though it was a miserable one and I’m still sounding rough. But it’s in the ‘blowing-out’ stages now and I do feel marginally better at least.

    College — I went to community college to figure it all out, then transferred to the cheapest 4-year-college I could, state. Wound up unexpectedly getting herded into a journalism 101 class as a junior and found my life’s work. It turned out well for me.

    FiBi the lab is out again (Kim saw her when she visited). She stands on her owner’s raised front yard and barks at everyone.

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  12. I get my two new, replica wood windows Thursday at long last — and some new glass panes for the door & spare bedroom double-hung window. They said the replicas will be indistinguishable from my 95-year-old windows. Then, at last, the window project will be DONE.

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  13. Pizza lunch today to say goodbye to 2 colleagues who are leaving and to welcome a new one who has been apparently (I’ve been out of the loop, will find out more today) been transferred from one of our other papers to (probably?) handle the cop & crime beat which is being vacated.

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  14. FiBi is a good guard dog but has been reported a few times by rattled neighbors who try to walk by in peace.

    Not to mention the traumatized postal carrier …

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  15. Daughter says she really appreciates PCC nursing program now that she has proctored lots of new nurses and knows what some of the other schools are putting out.

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  16. Mumsee – I think I did understand the point of your question yesterday. My point was that many of those who rail against the rich, and long for a more socialist system, believe they are doing so from concern for the poor and needy. They don’t think they are being covetous, or realize that in many case, they are harboring a hatred for the rich. Depending on the individual, some of them may indeed be covetous, and others may just be concerned for the less fortunate.

    But of course, there are those who want to personally benefit from “taking from the rich and giving to the poor”. That indeed would be coveting.

    Why did you prefer a non-credited college?

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  17. Chevy Chase famously said in the Dark Ages college was about learning to wear shoes and get somewhere on time.

    I went to a different college.

    I learned skills as a journalist that have held me in stead ever since–the most important one being to take responsibility for my actions and words and to ask questions. From my English degree, I learned about text analysis which I have used ever since in Bible study.

    My husband studied engineering and mastered it–which enabled him to both run and then repair nuclear submarines. The Navy would not have a Trident submarine program if he had not been in the right place at the right time with the skills and experience to steer them well. So, he only saved the US a couple billion dollars.

    My daughter wants to be a doctor. She uses her biology information every day as an EMT.
    My son has a degree in physics which he morphed into project development and uses those semi-engineering skills every day on the job.

    My daughter-in-law studied math and teaches it.

    My other daughter-in-law studied electrical engineering and uses that analytical mind to run and today, build websites.

    Jury is out on the other two guys, even the PhD.

    Why go to college? None of us were partiers, unless you count me in the UCLA marching band shouting, singing, playing and marching. We all knew we had a finite sum of money and husbanded it wisely, so that wasn’t an issue for us.

    We grew up, learned skills we’ve used as adults and grew confident in our ability to master a subject. For me, the lightweight, it was a chance to demonstrate and learn thinking and analytical abilities apart from decision-making-for-me parents. I needed those years to separate myself from my homelife in a situation where I was intellectually challenged.

    I also grew as a Christian as I confronted the oddities and the cults prevalent in Los Angeles in the Dark Ages. Thanks to Jews for Jesus and two guys in particular, I came through spiritually whole. Oh, and those Devout Bruins I scorned at the time who prayed for me.

    I graduated in three years so I could go off on the Navy adventure with Mr. Navy. The decision to give up what I loved–going to college and learning–was a sacrifice that I struggled with for a long time. It was the right call, the Lord directs our steps when we ask, but it also played a part in growing up.

    Other than that, not much reason to go to college. 🙂

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  18. Reading in 1 Kings 15 this morning, I noticed that the ESV (which I am currently using) says that “Abijam began to reign over Judah. . . His mother’s name was Maacah the daughter of Abishalom.”

    And then it says that his son Asa reign after him, and “His mother’s name was Maacah the daughter of Abishalom.”

    What?!

    The New King James says Maacah was Abijam’s mother and Asa’s grandmother. Does anyone know why the ESV states that she was also Asa’s mother? Is it supposed to mean that she was his grandmother, but raised him in place of his own mother? But there was no note to indicate that.

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  19. There seems to be no point to go to any higher education school that is not accredited, unless it is just for your own learning. There is a reason that schools work for accreditations. Some students have found out the hard way that there degree is not useful for the jobs they want.

    I haven’t caught up here, so maybe that was already discussed?

    I went to college for a teaching degree, but ended up marrying after two years. Since, the college was now over an hour away from me and I was afraid to drive on icy roads, I did not pursue my degree. However, I did end up doing a lot of volunteering and teaching in other ways.

    My husband went to get an undergraduate degree intended to go on in becoming a pastor. That changed and he ended up working in a mine company using what he learned in the military as a basis for further training from the company.

    Nevertheless, I do believe our years in college gave us a bigger view of the world and a clearer understanding of how much we do not know. I don’t know if that is true for everyone or true in college education today.

    My children went to train for various careers and each of their families has one Masters Degree, in addition to all of their college degrees. They paid for those degrees with scholarships, working before and during college and loans, most of which are still being paid back. They did not waste their time partying, although some were wiser about their spending essentially borrowed money.

    Some make more than they would have in other jobs. Some have more choices for work opportunities. Some used jobs from their degrees to springboard to other jobs they wanted more. Some have the type of job they really enjoy doing, rather than just making a living.

    Even the mines around us do not take people who have not gone on to some kind of post high school training. Whether it is learning robotics, electronics, machinery, or engineering etc. it is that diploma that gets the foot in the door. Those used to be gotten in what was known as Vo-techs. Now they are all community college degrees.

    In reality apprenticeships and all kinds of other possibilities are probably a better option, but those are not always available. I would think long and hard about spending the money that now seems necessary for a college degree and pursue whatever else, if that is an option.

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  20. Michelle (and DJ) – With your education in journalism, I think you will appreciate this. The Boy has a habit of asking “How do you know that?” whenever he is told some new piece of information. It can be annoying at times, but I think it can be a good thing for him, intellectually.

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  21. Kathaleena, how did you get a bigger view of the world?

    Michelle, growing spiritually also happens in a very conservative school as one struggles to find what the Bible actually says.

    Partying: I suspect because it is so much a part of the culture here, at least, people continue it in college. It still amazes me how many adults here (in their fifties and sixties even!) have no qualms about providing alcohol to the fourteens, fifteens and so on.

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  22. Thinking a little more about this. My mother, a teacher, raised me to believe I HAD to go to college. I thought it was a law in California that you couldn’t get married until you graduated from college.

    She felt too many women were ill prepared for real life without experiencing a good education and she went to a lot of effort to ensure my brothers and I had that opportunity. For both my parents going to UCLA changed their lives to the good–they not only met each other but they had a skill to navigate the world’s complexities that neither would have gained from their families.

    Thanks to you guys, I’ve come to see that I must have run into some ATI folks when we lived in Washington State. I went to a woman’s gathering one time where a pregnant mom of 11 calmly noted that she was only training her daughters in homemaking skills so they could be good wives.

    I went ballistic in the back row–turning into my mother with her questions about those girls’ futures–and thought a lot about education after that. Would my brilliant husband have wanted to marry a woman who had no education, experience or knowledge about the world–not to mention any curiosity?

    If we didn’t educate women, where do such men find the balance they need in their lives?

    When my husband told his father about me while we were in high school, the first thing he said was, “she’s really smart.”

    His reply: “What difference does that make?”

    Fortunately for our continued relationship, he said, “everything.”

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  23. It sounds like most had a plan for improving things economically. Did you go in expecting to have your world view changed or challenged or supported?

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  24. I am all for the education of men and women, just that I think it can be managed in a whole lot of different ways. No one size fits all like I believed going into college.

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  25. I think you all know that I never went to college. But I’ve always been an avid reader and learner, especially interested in history and historical figures. The people I’ve known have generally thought me pretty smart. 🙂

    But if I had had a dream of a particular career, I think college would have been wise.

    In my case, I was dealing with emotional and mental problems after high school, so finding a job at a local store was a big step (huge, actually) for me. Then, at 19, my parents and I moved back to Connecticut, and I held a variety of jobs, eventually being a customer service rep for a company that serviced McDonald’s “stores” (they were referred to stores rather than restaurants) with most of their needs, from frozen burgers to their cups and wrappings. (This was over the phone. I did not have to visit the stores.)

    Then I got pregnant with Nightingale, and we decided that I would be a stay-at-home mother. Since then, God continues to bring people to me who need my loving care (my Alzheimer’s-afflicted MIL, my cancer-stricken mom, my grandson).

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  26. I agree that there is not any one size fits all.

    Computer workers are one area that I know a lot of people who did not need a college education for a good job in the field. They did need to learn a lot, which was done in various ways. How that will change in the future is anyone’s guess.

    As far as having a bigger view of the world, in college you are subjected to a lot more different viewpoints than your own little group. You need to take classes that you wouldn’t necessarily take. Some of those are a waste, but some may open up new possibilities or a bigger view of how others think.

    One of my daughters let the state pay for her first two years of college; doing it in place of her last two years of high school. That also has its pros and cons and is not for everyone.

    My dad was a high school drop out. His brother was killed in a hunting accident and after that he decided to leave. He did think he may have has a learning problem, which may have been caught these days. Nevertheless, he later got his GED and instead of retiring went on to go to more training when the place he worked for 32 years was shut down. The government paid for him to be retrained and he took advantage of it. He was continually learning and read a lot.

    My MIL only went to school through 4th grade. She came to this country when she was a young girl. Yet, she was a smart person and could do a whole lot of things. She raised all her children to be good productive people, in spite of obstacles she had. I don’t many knew of her actual few years of formal education.

    Yes, there is no one size fits all, however, if you are bent on certain careers you will need a degree. No matter how much you know, some jobs will require that piece of paper.

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  27. Interesting, perhaps not nearly as nuanced as I’d like — actually, overly simplistic and dated — but thoughts?

    Catholic, Lutheran, & Reformed Approaches to the Poor
    FEBRUARY 27, 2018 BY GENE VEITH

    Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2018/02/catholic-lutheran-reformed-approaches-to-the-poor/#w5U9cV7Urs21Zy4d.99

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    … Catholics tend to exalt the poor, considering them to be morally and spiritually superior. (Listen to Pope Francis when he talks about the poor, which he does in nearly every pronouncement.) After all, the poor are unencumbered by the material possessions that are the obsession of this world. Also, they suffer, thus practicing the discipline of asceticism, which brings them closer to God. …

    … In stark contrast to the view of Catholics, the Reformed tend to stigmatize the poor. Poverty is due to sin. The poor bring their poverty onto themselves by their irresponsible behavior, profligate ways, sexual transgressions, substance abuse, and laziness….

    … For Lutherans, the poor are sinful, but so are the rich and middle class; and they have all been redeemed by the blood of Christ. The Lutherans approached the poor in terms of vocation. All vocations are equal before God and so are all worthy of respect. God gives daily bread to all by means of the poor peasant hard at work in the fields, who can thus live out his faith by loving and serving his neighbors. But begging is anathema! And those who are poor because they have no work must find a vocation! …
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  28. Juggling calls from upset customers complaining about our cancellation of the TV grid. It cost too much. Somehow we’re all getting customer service calls now from folks who don’t receive their papers, etc.

    Good news decor-wise for me — copper is “trending” in the kitchen according to Sur la Table! I just replaced the old stainless light switch covers with hammered copper ones from mexico 🙂

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  29. DJ – I have to admit that I have sometimes read some comments about the poor, from conservative Christians, that are reminiscent of Ebeneezer Scrooge’s famous line: “Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?”

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  30. Thoughts from last night: When the subject of various laws has come up here, such as laws against drug use, many have said that we need laws to protect people, to kind of be a guard rail for those who might be tempted to do those things.

    Last night we were talking about the rich, and it was mentioned that covetousness or holding on to one’s wealth for oneself, are dangerous sins. But there also seemed to be agreement that the rich should be able to do what they want with their own money, without government interference.

    That had me pondering . . . Is it consistent to say that sins like drug use should be illegal, but not the sin of the rich? Not all drug users are abusers, and not all rich are covetous and stingy. Jesus did say that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom.

    So, would it be more consistent to either have more lax laws on things like drugs, and continue to support not overly taxing the rich, or to continue the current laws and support more taxes on the rich, than to support one but not the other? Or is this comparing apples and oranges? (If so, why?)

    Just some musings I’ve had from last night.

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  31. Well, after the troubled truck driving week with lots of time spent waiting for repairs or snow to stop, husband headed home in his pickup yesterday only to have the transmission go out. So, since it was cheaper to stay in a motel than to have me drive in, pick him up, and drive him back, he stayed in town. He got the truck to the shop where they pronounced it a two week fix and gave him a rental car based on the warranty. So he ran up to Moscow to talk with the folk at an intermediate care facility for the developmentally disabled. They seemed to think daughter would be a good fit and will send somebody down to interview her in a couple of weeks. And then, after much paperwork and psychiatric evaluation, she may move there.

    Not my first choice for her but keeping her here with her threatening others is not in any body’s best interest.

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  32. Kizzie, in my view, drugs and certain other crimes impact other people and that is the reason for the legislation. Having too much money is not a crime and does not hurt anybody.

    My thought is everyone should be taxed the same percentage and leave it at that. It seems reasonable that people pay their taxes, from the very poor to the very rich and if it is a percentage, nobody is hurt more than anybody else. It is called being part of the community.

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  33. I went to college to prepare for a career that would be outside of the typical teacher, nurse, secretary roles that most women fit into back then. My father wanted to send me to secretarial school which is what my mother attended (at a business college). I did attend a business school within a state university, but went into what was a typical man’s field back then which was accounting. I did not choose to become a CPA because I felt that would create too much conflict if I had a family because of the long hours and travel required for some. Later I did get to be an innovative teacher of a gifted homeschool student and a preschool teacher. I also got to do the nurse’s aide type work by taking care of my son with his asthma and my wheelchair bound mother. And as computers advanced, secretaries became scarce so anyone working in an office has to learn word processing skills. So I have gotten the variety of working in a male dominated world for part of my life and also a female dominated world for the other part. As for our son, he has always been a scholarly type and has gone wherever his love of learning has taken him. I think he enjoys sharing His love of learning with serious students who share his interests. I think having a big salary is a secondary consideration to him. If course, were he to marry and have a family, then a large salary would be more important to him.

    I opened the window for Miss Bosley to enjoy this beautiful spring day, and a few minutes later, the neighbor’s lawn guy started using a leaf blower which made Miss Bosley flee. Now I ask why my phone would change “lawn guy” to “lawn but?”

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  34. I sent AJ a couple of photos of blooming trees in my yard.

    Karen and I exchanged Christmas gifts finally. I gave her a cute owl night light. She gave me a light gray hooded sweatshirt with kitty paw prints embroidered on it along with a kangeroo type front pouch were a cat (Miss Bosley) can stay close to their “mommy.” She also gave me a beautiful cardinal pendant she got from the Bradford Exchange. I think Cheryl would appreciate that. I also picked up a brush at the local Pet Supermarket (just like the one Miss Bosley loves) to give to Karen when I see her next. It was wonderful to see her. She was doing better today.

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  35. Art said everyone was calling this a.m. while he was meeting with clients. He was acting receptionist in my absence while also being the lone preparer today. People have noticed that we are short of staff this year. Sometimes I need ten hands and four ears to properly multitask all that goes on. Yesterday we had someone who came in with the second delivery of the wrong ink toner package so Art had to go pick some up from Office Depot. Then we received Art’s newly ordered office chair (Birthday gift)

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  36. I read the link that Roscuro posted about BJU and failure to report properly on sexual abuse. I did not read any details regarding if it was abuse toward the regular college age students or if it was abuse of the summer camp students (the summer camp was one week long). Just wondering if Roscuro directed the link to me because of knowing something I have not heard.

    Someone at the office asked me about the youngish guy who went missing from the CDC. I knew nothing about that even though it is nearby. I don’t do a good job keeping up with news stories any more.

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  37. Why college?

    It depends on whether you are asking 1. “Why did you want to go to college?” 2. “What did you actually get out of college?” of 3. “What do you think is the main purpose of college?”

    First, I truly do not think everyone should go to college. Personally, I really hate to see women go to college and acquire debt that will make it hard for them to stay home with their children. I don’t like the argument “You never know what will happen, or how you might need to use it.” I didn’t marry till I had been on my own more than 20 years; I needed the income college could bring, and it was necessary for my chosen career. But I don’t like the idea of preparing for divorce, most Americans do not in fact have college degrees and getting one “in case” seems like a lot of money for something you can always do later if you need to (and you’re more likely to know what you want and need later in life). By the way, that doesn’t mean I don’t think women should go to college, but that I think debt is a problem, and if she goes to college to learn, I think that is better than “just in case she needs a career someday.” College may or may not increase one’s earning potential, and a person who doesn’t work full-time probably won’t have her earning potential increased beyond the cost of college–don’t do it just to make money. (Instead of going into debt in those four years, she could be working to earn money, and many jobs don’t require college at all, or don’t require a degree. If your interest doesn’t require a degree, then that money might be wasted. I know someone with grown children who has never worked outside the home, but is still paying back her and her husband’s college, and I had a housemate once who owed more for her undergrad and masters than I still owed on my house–but she didn’t have a full-time job to show for it.)

    Why did I want to go to college? Because I love reading and learning, and because I wanted a Bible college degree. Also because I couldn’t be an editor without a degree–but I wanted to go to college before I had that motivation. It’s just that the desire to be an editor is what motivated me enough to actually make the sacrifice to go to college (moving to a different state–in snow country–and putting myself through).

    What did I gain from college? An education–Bible college as I desired, general education courses (introduction to philosophy, church history, etc.), and writing courses. I gained the knowledge I needed to edit, and learned to think and to write. But I also learned how to interact with people and to make friends, and I made lifelong friends. I also made some friends that won’t be lifelong friends, but they were friends for a season. I interacted with people from very different backgrounds, and settled in Chicago for another decade, giving me extraordinary life experience.

    What do I think college is really “for”? I really dislike the idea that it is job training. College is to expand your knowledge and your contact with the knowledge of the world. It may thus make you a better employee–but that is secondary. It should make you a more knowledgeable person, and it should enable you to engage with different viewpoints and learn to think and defend truth. Every college is going to have a perspective, and a Bible college pretty much has to limit its professors and students to genuine believers–but colleges should be open to students who can ably defend a position different from what the professors believe. In some fields, such as medical or law, education pretty much also has to be job training, but I don’t like that aspect of college and think it is different from being educated. I’m a big fan of apprenticeship and field-based training that is separate from college. (Nursing school isn’t really “college,” for instance, it’s nursing school. Some college courses may be included, but it’s a different program.)

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  38. Did you have a lot of those thoughts before going to college or after? Do people go into college with the idea that it is going to be mind opening?

    For me, mind opening was being with the military. I had no idea people from the south could have such nasty mouths. I had no idea Methodists and Lutherans and Baptists believed like I did. I asked embarrassing questions of people from other cultures and colors and learned we are all people. It has been good.

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  39. I think expanding knowledge and contact with the knowledge of the world should come through interactions with the world. There was a time when college was for thinkers but, except in rare cases, we have moved beyond that. Job training, indoctrination, partying, those are what I think of when thinking of college and job training is what I hope for.

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  40. Mumsee, I was raised in a teetotaling family and had never been around alcohol unless you count seeing people drink at some Fourth of July fireworks and the like. I took high school by correspondence, and had literally never had a teenage friend before I went off to college. So I didn’t have the slightest hint of thinking college was for partying (for me or for anyone else). And I had four older brothers who had all attended college (three had attended Bible college, one state schools in two states). So I thought of college as a chance to learn more, but I didn’t think I could ever afford it. I did recognize that I couldn’t be an editor without it, but I didn’t really associate it with job training as such. Nor did I think one had to graduate from college before getting married, because college was a “when you can afford it / if you want to go” thing, and getting married was “when you meet the right person,” and they were simply different things. It surprised me in my twenties to meet people who seemed to find college graduation a prerequisite for marriage, and honestly I still find that odd. It’s especially odd when the couple meets in high school and waits six or seven years (or waits through graduate school) to marry. If you meet when you have a year or two of college left and you want to finish first, sure. But waiting four or five years to marry, or not even thinking about a spouse until you’re a year from finishing, seems to me to put college a higher life priority than is warranted. Now, if a man does need professional training (to be a doctor, say), and he thinks that marriage too early would be a distraction, then by all means don’t date until you’re a year or two from finished. But when I see parents counsel their daughters to wait to finish college and ideally grad school before considering marriage, I want to scream. Family is more important than college. Not all of us will marry, and I understand that. But saying to “wait” on marriage even if you have a good prospect is not saying that.

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  41. I was a sniffling, sneezing mess so my editor sent me home a little early. On the way home I stopped at the store to pick up some daytime cold medicine for tomorrow & 2 group goodbye cards for colleagues whose last day is tomorrow. 😦

    The window crew called to reschedule from Thursday to tomorrow (as it’s supposed to rain Thursday). They’ll be here at 7:30 a.m. Should I ask them if they can remove those window valances? I’m thinking they might not want to as it’s not part of what they’re hired to do & they probably are restricted to just doing what’s on the job order. I may ask anyway. The downside is the fear that it could leave damage or a hole in the plaster if one of them didn’t come off smoothly. But that’s easily enough fixed in the painting prep process, right?

    I’m hoping I will be less of a mess from this cold tomorrow so I can put in a full day of work at least. Honestly, this thing has really hung on.

    College was definitely not part of my family tradition. I never really planned to go, in fact, and I was the first in my family to do so. But my parents encouraged me, which I so appreciated.

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  42. College was almost an afterthought in my case, though I’m so grateful Providence led me in that direction. Although if I’d followed the route into civil service as an office worker, I certainly would be better off financially by now.

    But no doubt bored stiff during all those years. …

    It’s cold tonight, our local mountains got snow (yay) with more to come later this week. Annie is hanging out on the heater floor vents again, all curled up and enjoying that warm air coming up through the floor. She’s so cute.

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  43. I think there are professions/careers that people used to get into without a college degree that now require a college degree.

    A friend of mine shared a petition on Facebook that begins:

    “The Accreditation Council for Occupational Therapy Education (ACOTE) has issued a mandate to inflate the entry-level degree requirements for the occupational therapy profession from a master’s to a doctoral degree. This NON-EVIDENCE BASED decision was made AGAINST feedback from key stakeholders including occupational therapy practitioners, OT faculty, general public/ consumers, employers, and regulators.”

    I didn’t even know they needed a Masters for that.

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  44. Yeah, college was almost an afterthought for me, too, or at least I never really expected to be able to go. Two of my brothers had done three-year Bible college courses but they both went into the ministry (mine was a B.A., which is more typical today, I think), one had done whatever one does at Bob Jones (I don’t know how many years his course was–he was way across the country and I was a teenager). Another brother had studied at secular universities. But I had checked costs of college a couple of times and just didn’t see any way to afford it on basically minimum wage. And we really never had any pressure to go, or any expectation that we were supposed to, it’s just we were a family of readers, and college seemed like a good thing to do if it was possible. The last two only took a smattering of courses here and there, and likely will never get degrees; one (my sister) now doesn’t believe in women working outside their homes except under very specific circumstances (working for one’s husband or father or reporting to a woman) or in women going to college, so I guess it’s just as well she only had a year. And my youngest brother has done fairly well with a GED and just a smattering of college courses (just Spanish, I think, though he has taken quite a bit of Spanish); he never liked school all that much, and he has worked jobs that don’t require a degree and has been successful at them, so he’s content not to get a degree.

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  45. Having too much money doesn’t hurt anyone? That all depends how that money was gained. “He that by usury and unjust gain increases his substance, he shall gather it for him that will pity the poor.” (Proverbs 28:8)

    Janice, the complete GRACE report on BJU may be found here: http://bjugrace.com/the-grace-investigation-at-bju/the-grace-report-on-bob-jones-university/

    What is college for? To learn things. Not only have I learned nursing and all the many branches of study which go into such a holistic discipline (i.e. anatomy, physiology, pathophysiology, psychology, sociology), but I also have studied the following subjects through college and university courses: French, Spanish, Greek, Latin, drawing, drafting, ancient history & modern Middle Eastern history, and anthropology. When I stepped into the classroom of my first French course at the age of 19, it was the first time I had ever taken any formal classroom training. I found that I thrived. The learning environment was just what I need. The interaction with teachers and fellow students helped me to concentrate, something I always struggled to do with self study. I could study subjects, such as languages and nursing skills, which one cannot properly learn through online courses, because learning those subjects required actually using what one was learning, whether it was speaking French to the teacher or practicing taking a blood pressure in the nursing lab.

    Were my beliefs challenged? The challenges of the secular classroom were insignificant to the inner battles I had already fought during my adolescent years. Inner doubts and fears are far more difficult to keep faith through than outer secular influences. My faith had been challenged legalistic and Pharisaical instructors from ATI, worldly instructors made little impression on me. In fact, sometimes I was able to gently challenge a viewpoint of the worldly ones, and they always took it very well. Last semester, the evolutionary portions of the anthropology course left me unimpressed, although other branches of anthropological study were very interesting as I realized that the best anthropologists I ever met were the veteran missionaries in West Africa – they practiced key principals of cultural and linguistic anthropology as if they were professionals (those I have in mind may well have studied anthropology, considering their educational backgrounds, which included degrees).

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  46. I have heard about the wild college party, but it is a phenomena I have never witnessed. Attendance to such events is not mandatory, you do not have to study them for exams, there are no credits offered for completing them, there are no faculty paid to run them, and they usually take place off campus. Partying is associated with colleges and university simply because the same demographic tends to attend both.

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  47. I do not think others should think they are entitled to other peoples wealth. It has been my experience, that most people who have money, have worked very hard to earn it. I, too, think a flat tax is the most fair system.

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  48. I started college at age 23. I hated school as a teen. But I needed some training to avoid being a minimum wage employee. I got a two-year certificate in electronics in order to be a radio engineer. At school I met Mrs L. She still had a semester to go for her BS, so I got a janitor job at the college. After 5 years I decided to start on a Spanish degree, as we had 3 children and janitors don’t make a lot. So there you have it. Child #3 was a week old when I started on the BA and 13 when I finished the MA. Nine of those years I was a student, either part or full time. Yes, it took a while, but it was worth it.

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  49. DJ, the only dancing I have yet seen on campus was several troupes of First Nations dancers on the quadrangle, though I understand that there are Holi celebrations – a Hindu festival which mainly consists of dancing and throwing dye at each other (rather like the descriptions of the lime throwing during Carnival in Italy that Dickens wrote of in his travel account Pictures from Italy).

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  50. The only comment Christ and the Apostles ever made upon taxes was to tell us to pay them. I have agreed that the poor should not envy the rich – I merely pointed out that just because the rich should not be envied doesn’t absolve the rich from their own responsibility if they have unjust gain or are covetous, and that if we have a responsibility to warn others of their need to repent, then that includes those who are rich – those are points that do need to be made, as James warned the Church against her worldly tendency to show favoritism to the rich while shaming the poor. But Christ and his Apostles did not envy the government their money either.

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  51. My uncle, the one who passed away so tragically, used to ask me a rhetorical question, “Can a Christian have a large bank account?” He was probably the most financially secure of my mother’s family, having a very good pension from a certain large auto manufacturer and having always been carefull in managing his income. But, in his final years, he and his wife gave away so much of his income, and lived on so little (without denying themselves what was needed) that the Revenue Agency (CRA) was somewhat befuddled and several times looked into his charitable donations to make sure he wasn’t using a tax shelter. He always had a good chuckle over the CRA’s incredulity, as it amused him greatly. I have often thought of what he said in the years since his death, as I see a constant challenge from the New Testament to let go of all that which we think gives us security, including our wealth.
    “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth… for where your treasure is there will your heart be also”
    “Sell all that you have, and give to the poor, and come, follow me.” [There is a tragic instance of a rich man whose covetousness came in between him and salvation.]
    “Take heed, and beware of covetousness, for a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses.”
    “Take no though for your life, what you will eat and what you will drink.”
    “And having food and clothing, let us therewith be content.”
    One aspect of letting go of the security of our wealth is not seeking to hold it when others ask for it:
    “Give to him that asks you, and from him who would borrow of you, do not turn away.”
    “If any one sue with at law, and take away your cloak, give him your cloak also.”
    So, as Justin Martyr said to emperor Antonius Pius, under whose rule, it was illegal to be a Christian, “we, more readily than all men, endeavour to pay to those appointed by you the taxes both ordinary and extraordinary… praying that with your kingly power you be found to possess also sound judgment. But if you pay no regard to our prayers and frank explanations, we shall suffer no loss…” That statement right there is an expression of one who is truly free in Christ. To be the most law abiding and upright of citizens, the most caring of neighbours, but to have not a care when such good deeds are not reciprocated or even apprectiated. That is living how Christ lived.

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