I see on Drudge where lots of people, including friends of Hillary are telling her to give it up and bow out.
I don’t think Hillary can do that. She is in debt to lots of people, some foreign, who have made significant contributions to Hillary and her foundation.
You think they did that because the Clintons are doing good things?
I’m really of two minds about this issue.
1. On the one hand, as Americans have become steadily dumber, the importation of the best and brightest from other countries (particularly Asia) has been a big boost for our economy and culture. Trump’s plan to “diversify” Silicon Valley with US affirmative action hires could make it as incompetent as NASA, the EPA and other entities staffed by increasingly stupid Americans.
2. On the other hand, if we keep Asia’s best and brightest in Asia, we will keep them and their children away from the worst influences of Organized Perversion which is headquartered in the US.
1 As dead flies give perfume a bad smell,
so a little folly outweighs wisdom and honor.
2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right,
but the heart of the fool to the left.
3 Even as fools walk along the road,
they lack sense
and show everyone how stupid they are.
If Ecclesiastes 10:2 isn’t about our politics, please explain it to me. It fits for me. Democrats used to be on the Right, at least for some things. Now? Not so much.
It dawned on me yesterday that Democrats (of the leftward variety) seem now to be embracing the idea of a completely open border. There seems to be no acknowledgement that this is, in fact, unsustainable. Resources here (or anywhere) aren’t unlimited. Just do the math.
They are capitalizing on turning the immigration debate into one that simply says Republicans are mean and uncaring and racist in suggesting limitations be applied.
I guess I find this rather odd (and newly extreme, even for the Democrats). But seriously, I never hear any of them talking anymore about how to secure the border more effectively than we do now. It’s a free for all, seemingly, with even the President shrugging his shoulders.
I have tended to be more *liberal* if you will on immigration issues than many conservatives. I’ve always said legal immigration should be made as easy as we can possibly make it for people who truly want to come here to live. But I am the first to acknowledge that while we need to provide smoother pathways to citizenship (and better or more of a stress on assimilation and becoming American, but that’s another issue altogether), there needs to be some kind of real and effective control over people just crossing the border at will. I mean, that’s just a given, isn’t it?
Yet from what I can tell, the Democrats have quit talking about that altogether now. Is their real position now simply to open up the border and dispense with any protocol in immigration law? That’s effectively what they’re advocating, it seems to me.
(I realize that Libertarians also advocate this view, we had a reporter some years ago who was Libertarian — I think mainly because her boyfriend was — who said open up the borders completely, there should be a free flow back and forth, there should be no “arbitrary” restrictions on people’s movements. It sounds big-hearted but how do you even begin to manage resources in that case, when everyone will want and expect education, medical care, jobs, Social Security, etc., etc.?)
“EXCLUSIVE: Hillary’s email firm was run from a loft apartment with its servers in the BATHROOM, raising new questions over security of sensitive messages she held
Democratic White House front-runner used Platte River Networks of Denver, Colorado, to maintain her controversial ‘home brew’ server
Up to 60 emails with classified material have been found in a sample of those she did not delete – meaning there could be many more
Now Daily Mail Online reveals new questions over security of her emails when Platte River was involved in maintaining server
‘Mom and pop’ firm used converted residential apartment and had its own servers in a bathroom closet
Links between ‘local’ IT company and Clinton remain unclear but its VP of sales and marketing, who was sued for ‘fraud’ is said to be ‘big Democrat'”
“The answer, I think, depends on how you define “mainstream” — and, actually, how you define “Trump’s views” The big headline from yesterday’s “Meet the Press” interview is that he wants to deport all illegals. Is that a mainstream view? Byron York points to a recent study in which subjects were given a choice of seven options on immigration policy and finds that the most popular was — ta da — a closed border and mass deportations.
But “most popular” in this case means less than 25 percent support.
The largest single group, 24.4 percent, supported the most draconian option — closed borders and mass deportation — that is dismissed by every candidate in the race, including Trump. Add in the next group that supported Option Six, which would allow only a “small number” of highly skilled immigrants to enter the U.S. and also involve mass deportations, and the number increased to 38.2 percent. Then add Option Five, which would allow only highly skilled immigrants while physically blocking the border, and the number increased to 55.2 percent.
Trump’s immigration stance appears to fall somewhere between Option Five and Option Six, perhaps a little closer to the latter. It’s probably fair to say that, if Broockman and Ahler are correct, a majority of Americans — not just Republican voters, but all Americans — hold views that are consistent with Trump’s position, or are even more restrictive. Opponents like Graham portray Trump’s immigration position as far out of the mainstream, but that doesn’t appear to be the case.”
“I suppose this is one of those stories which is relevant to the current political debate, but has special emphasis for long time readers. My frequently cited credentials as a card carrying RINO (when Ed isn’t holding the weekly title) are often based on certain issues where I have tired of shoveling against the tide on political battles while grassroots conservatives have been ready to charge into battle. These include at least two government shutdowns (both involving Obamacare) where I asked the assembled masses if this was the hill we wanted to die on.
I don’t really apologize for it, because we each have to find our own point where we drag a stick through the dirt in front of the bully and dare him to step over the line. Some things are just not worth getting a bloody nose (or worse) over. But this weekend a moment arrived when I gained a bit more understanding of the frustration some of you have felt with both party leadership and establishment candidates in the past. It came when we saw Donald Trump release his long awaited immigration plan. Those of you who follow my ramblings here on a regular basis are familiar with my own stance on the subject and I had little to say of Trump’s plan beyond the fact that it was … remarkable.
It was clear, direct and concise. It was, in short, what I’d been waiting to hear from many other GOP candidates who have their own “issue pages” on their web sites and talk a good game on illegal immigration but don’t supply these sorts of details. True, I could kvetch over a couple of minor points in the Trump plan. The viability of eliminating birthright citizenship absent a Constitutional amendment is questionable at best. The idea of tripling ICE personnel may be a net plus but details will be required on both the cost and how their mission is to be expanded. The big question mark for me is where Trump stands on the question of deportation for aliens not yet accused of additional crimes, since some of his statements thus far seemed contradictory. But for the most part it was a magnificent document. It contains some bluster to be sure, but the fundamentals were refreshing to see and it was a relief to find a candidate with an actual proposal.
All in all, the release of this plan should have made for a pretty good weekend. But then, late on Sunday, I was sent a link to a column at the New York Post written by my long time friend, Liz Mair. The title of this piece really sums up the entire argument. ‘Amnesty’ may be the key to winning the GOP nomination.”
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Once again the Republican establishment wants to cave and run scared, despite what their constituents want. They’re Dem-light.
“Alabama senator Jeff Sessions, a Republican, released a statement Sunday praising the immigration proposal from presidential candidate Donald Trump. “”This is exactly the plan America needs,” said Sessions. “Not only would the plan outlined in this paper work, but more quickly than many realize. Most importantly, this plan reestablishes the principle that American’s immigration laws should serve the interests of its own citizens. For too long, ‘immigration reform’ plans in Washington have served the special interests at the expense of working Americans.”
“Sessions goes on to say that Trump’s plan puts “working Americans foremost” and puts an emphasis on lifting “struggling minority communities, including our immigrant communities, out of poverty.”
“State Department officials have uncovered thousands of emails between Philippe Reines, a top Hillary Clinton aide, and members of the media, they previously said did not exist.
In a court filing last Thursday, the State Department estimated that a recent search turned up more than 81,000 emails from Reines’s official account while at the State Department. And 17,855 potentially fall within a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed by Gawker earlier this year.
That is a reversal from 2013, when the State Department said a thorough search turned up no responsive records for Gawker’s request. In 2012, Gawker requested all emails between Reines and reporters from 34 media outlets.
The State Department did not explain the reversal in the court document, nor did it return a request for comment.”
———————–
Gee, I wonder why they’re not returning calls? 🙄
Ive long been an advocate of old school immigration — open door with a medical and criminal check upon entry. The notion that immigrants will overload the social welfare system is bogus in that vastly more nonimmigrants collect assistance than immigrants. For the most part people do come to the US and Canada to work. This is a simple and cheap policy.
Those who wish to block immigration should be prepared for the expense. Not only would you have to build a new iron curtain across the border, you would need thousands of agents canvasing countless construction sites, meat packing plant, farm, etc. Its really not feasible. Do i really need to argue that big govt solutions arent a good idea? And since most migration is economic, the ups and downs of the economy will be a natural on immigration, ie the law of supply and demand. Open immigration is indeed a right wing argument.
…. The survey provided some interesting findings, such as 25 percent of Americans would not vote for an evangelical Christian. In contrast, fewer people said they would not for a Mormon (18 percent), Jewish (7 percent), or Catholic (6 percent) candidate.
“But while that particular finding is disconcerting (at least to Evangelicals like me), there was another result that was even more troubling. The survey found that 46 percent said they would vote for a socialist while 50 percent said they would not. …”
Few want to “block” immigration, but there should be some controls applied — apparently the U.S. has moved away from this (in a de facto/functiong sense) as the border appears fairly free-flowing.
The immigration debate is really about two issues:
1. Trump, Rubio and Zuckerberg are talking about extremely intelligent, highly skilled immigrants. For several decades, the smartest, most motivated people from around the world have been coming to college here and staying to build companies, invent products, work as scientists and engineers and doctors. The influx of these people has partially offset the fact that native-born Americans have become steadily lazier and dumber. Only an idiot or a demagogue (Trump) really wants the U.S. to force these people to return home.
2. The second issue is tougher. The laziness of America’s lower class (see Coming Apart) has created a huge market for unskilled laborers who will work hard. This is essentially the definition of a Mexican. If we cut welfare would some of America’s lower class develop a better work ethic? Maybe, but I think we would more likely see an increased Rioting Ethic.
My solution:
1. A broad guest worker program with HRW’s criminal and disease checks.
2. An end to birthright citizenship (I always hated the 14th Amendment) and anchor babies.
3. Tough penalties on employers who hire those who aren’t citizens or guest workers.
As for a path to citizenship, the well educated and highly-skilled should have it, but the low-skilled should not.
The american working class is the hardest working least appreciated in the western world. No other working class would put up with it. However ricky might use that as evidence to suggest they are the dumbest.
The strange think about american education is the disparity between elementary/secondary and post secondary. America has the best universities in the world and this includes the public land grant schools. The failiure to replicate this at the lower end is thought by those with a conspiracy bent to be deliberate in order for the American working class to contine to be the hardest working and least appreciated in the western world. A better education system would probably lead to a more militant working class (prior to ww2 the US had a fairly active left wing movement).
Strict enforcement of labor law would curb illegal migration but this will never happen as long as the U.S. congress is owed by corporations.
kbells — both the US and Canada have a policy on which passenger carriers ie planes are responsible for the legal status of their passenger. Illegals which are refused entry must be returned back at the airlines expense. This can be modified to suit govt purposes. With an open policy, immigrants would have an incentive to get their papers in order before they leave. The U.S. would have a more difficult time but with an open policy those on the southern border would put up the processing delay at a border post rather than put up with a coyote and the desert.
Responses to questions about immigration often depend on the way the question is phrased. Interestingly american and european attitudes toward immigration are similar. The exception are the other ex english colonies ie ireland australia canada and new zealand who approve of immigration and some even want more.
I didn’t say the working class was lazy. I said the lower class was lazy. The lower class generally does not work. They collect welfare, Medicaid and Obamaphones. They live in subsidized housing. They get subsidized electricity. They ruin the public schools. They have illegitimate children. They riot. They commit crimes. They refuse to do the work performed by Mexican immigrants. I would call that “lazy”.
Wandering Views 
I see on Drudge where lots of people, including friends of Hillary are telling her to give it up and bow out.
I don’t think Hillary can do that. She is in debt to lots of people, some foreign, who have made significant contributions to Hillary and her foundation.
You think they did that because the Clintons are doing good things?
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http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/17/news/companies/donald-trump-mark-zuckerberg-immigration/index.html
I’m really of two minds about this issue.
1. On the one hand, as Americans have become steadily dumber, the importation of the best and brightest from other countries (particularly Asia) has been a big boost for our economy and culture. Trump’s plan to “diversify” Silicon Valley with US affirmative action hires could make it as incompetent as NASA, the EPA and other entities staffed by increasingly stupid Americans.
2. On the other hand, if we keep Asia’s best and brightest in Asia, we will keep them and their children away from the worst influences of Organized Perversion which is headquartered in the US.
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Speaking of Organized Perversion, their assault on our children continues.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/boys_will_be_boysor_girls_or_whatever.html
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Part of the agenda of the left seems to be, if we have to make the lives of 99 people more difficult to make one person happy, so be it.
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Ecclesiastes 10 New International Version (NIV)
1 As dead flies give perfume a bad smell,
so a little folly outweighs wisdom and honor.
2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right,
but the heart of the fool to the left.
3 Even as fools walk along the road,
they lack sense
and show everyone how stupid they are.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%2010&version=NIV
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If Ecclesiastes 10:2 isn’t about our politics, please explain it to me. It fits for me. Democrats used to be on the Right, at least for some things. Now? Not so much.
Dead babies are the new dead flies.
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It dawned on me yesterday that Democrats (of the leftward variety) seem now to be embracing the idea of a completely open border. There seems to be no acknowledgement that this is, in fact, unsustainable. Resources here (or anywhere) aren’t unlimited. Just do the math.
They are capitalizing on turning the immigration debate into one that simply says Republicans are mean and uncaring and racist in suggesting limitations be applied.
I guess I find this rather odd (and newly extreme, even for the Democrats). But seriously, I never hear any of them talking anymore about how to secure the border more effectively than we do now. It’s a free for all, seemingly, with even the President shrugging his shoulders.
I have tended to be more *liberal* if you will on immigration issues than many conservatives. I’ve always said legal immigration should be made as easy as we can possibly make it for people who truly want to come here to live. But I am the first to acknowledge that while we need to provide smoother pathways to citizenship (and better or more of a stress on assimilation and becoming American, but that’s another issue altogether), there needs to be some kind of real and effective control over people just crossing the border at will. I mean, that’s just a given, isn’t it?
Yet from what I can tell, the Democrats have quit talking about that altogether now. Is their real position now simply to open up the border and dispense with any protocol in immigration law? That’s effectively what they’re advocating, it seems to me.
(I realize that Libertarians also advocate this view, we had a reporter some years ago who was Libertarian — I think mainly because her boyfriend was — who said open up the borders completely, there should be a free flow back and forth, there should be no “arbitrary” restrictions on people’s movements. It sounds big-hearted but how do you even begin to manage resources in that case, when everyone will want and expect education, medical care, jobs, Social Security, etc., etc.?)
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Although the Libertarian’s answer to the above would be to rescind the government perks 🙂
But it’s a little too late in the game for that, I’m afraid.
Hillary is clearly in trouble — I think the Democrats are getting very worried.
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Trouble?
Yeah…..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201367/Hillary-s-email-firm-run-loft-apartment-servers-BATHROOM-raising-new-questions-security-sensitive-messages-held.html
“EXCLUSIVE: Hillary’s email firm was run from a loft apartment with its servers in the BATHROOM, raising new questions over security of sensitive messages she held
Democratic White House front-runner used Platte River Networks of Denver, Colorado, to maintain her controversial ‘home brew’ server
Up to 60 emails with classified material have been found in a sample of those she did not delete – meaning there could be many more
Now Daily Mail Online reveals new questions over security of her emails when Platte River was involved in maintaining server
‘Mom and pop’ firm used converted residential apartment and had its own servers in a bathroom closet
Links between ‘local’ IT company and Clinton remain unclear but its VP of sales and marketing, who was sued for ‘fraud’ is said to be ‘big Democrat'”
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Good question….. But trying to have a discussion on the matter with some in Congress seems fruitless.
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/17/are-trumps-immigration-views-in-or-out-of-the-mainstream/
“The answer, I think, depends on how you define “mainstream” — and, actually, how you define “Trump’s views” The big headline from yesterday’s “Meet the Press” interview is that he wants to deport all illegals. Is that a mainstream view? Byron York points to a recent study in which subjects were given a choice of seven options on immigration policy and finds that the most popular was — ta da — a closed border and mass deportations.
But “most popular” in this case means less than 25 percent support.
The largest single group, 24.4 percent, supported the most draconian option — closed borders and mass deportation — that is dismissed by every candidate in the race, including Trump. Add in the next group that supported Option Six, which would allow only a “small number” of highly skilled immigrants to enter the U.S. and also involve mass deportations, and the number increased to 38.2 percent. Then add Option Five, which would allow only highly skilled immigrants while physically blocking the border, and the number increased to 55.2 percent.
Trump’s immigration stance appears to fall somewhere between Option Five and Option Six, perhaps a little closer to the latter. It’s probably fair to say that, if Broockman and Ahler are correct, a majority of Americans — not just Republican voters, but all Americans — hold views that are consistent with Trump’s position, or are even more restrictive. Opponents like Graham portray Trump’s immigration position as far out of the mainstream, but that doesn’t appear to be the case.”
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And it’s fruitless because of stuff like this.
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/17/the-movement-to-surrender-on-amnesty-is-well-underway/
“I suppose this is one of those stories which is relevant to the current political debate, but has special emphasis for long time readers. My frequently cited credentials as a card carrying RINO (when Ed isn’t holding the weekly title) are often based on certain issues where I have tired of shoveling against the tide on political battles while grassroots conservatives have been ready to charge into battle. These include at least two government shutdowns (both involving Obamacare) where I asked the assembled masses if this was the hill we wanted to die on.
I don’t really apologize for it, because we each have to find our own point where we drag a stick through the dirt in front of the bully and dare him to step over the line. Some things are just not worth getting a bloody nose (or worse) over. But this weekend a moment arrived when I gained a bit more understanding of the frustration some of you have felt with both party leadership and establishment candidates in the past. It came when we saw Donald Trump release his long awaited immigration plan. Those of you who follow my ramblings here on a regular basis are familiar with my own stance on the subject and I had little to say of Trump’s plan beyond the fact that it was … remarkable.
It was clear, direct and concise. It was, in short, what I’d been waiting to hear from many other GOP candidates who have their own “issue pages” on their web sites and talk a good game on illegal immigration but don’t supply these sorts of details. True, I could kvetch over a couple of minor points in the Trump plan. The viability of eliminating birthright citizenship absent a Constitutional amendment is questionable at best. The idea of tripling ICE personnel may be a net plus but details will be required on both the cost and how their mission is to be expanded. The big question mark for me is where Trump stands on the question of deportation for aliens not yet accused of additional crimes, since some of his statements thus far seemed contradictory. But for the most part it was a magnificent document. It contains some bluster to be sure, but the fundamentals were refreshing to see and it was a relief to find a candidate with an actual proposal.
All in all, the release of this plan should have made for a pretty good weekend. But then, late on Sunday, I was sent a link to a column at the New York Post written by my long time friend, Liz Mair. The title of this piece really sums up the entire argument. ‘Amnesty’ may be the key to winning the GOP nomination.”
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Once again the Republican establishment wants to cave and run scared, despite what their constituents want. They’re Dem-light.
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Another who agrees with Trump.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sessions-praises-trump-exactly-plan-america-needs-immigration_1012778.html#
“Alabama senator Jeff Sessions, a Republican, released a statement Sunday praising the immigration proposal from presidential candidate Donald Trump. “”This is exactly the plan America needs,” said Sessions. “Not only would the plan outlined in this paper work, but more quickly than many realize. Most importantly, this plan reestablishes the principle that American’s immigration laws should serve the interests of its own citizens. For too long, ‘immigration reform’ plans in Washington have served the special interests at the expense of working Americans.”
“Sessions goes on to say that Trump’s plan puts “working Americans foremost” and puts an emphasis on lifting “struggling minority communities, including our immigrant communities, out of poverty.”
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Just remember folks, we were told these emails didn’t exist. I guess the email fairies had them……
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/251297-in-reversal-state-turns-up-thousands-of-emails-from-top-clinton-aide
“State Department officials have uncovered thousands of emails between Philippe Reines, a top Hillary Clinton aide, and members of the media, they previously said did not exist.
In a court filing last Thursday, the State Department estimated that a recent search turned up more than 81,000 emails from Reines’s official account while at the State Department. And 17,855 potentially fall within a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed by Gawker earlier this year.
That is a reversal from 2013, when the State Department said a thorough search turned up no responsive records for Gawker’s request. In 2012, Gawker requested all emails between Reines and reporters from 34 media outlets.
The State Department did not explain the reversal in the court document, nor did it return a request for comment.”
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Gee, I wonder why they’re not returning calls? 🙄
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Cloward Piven is alive and well. This is how it’s done. Let them keep coming until you overload the system.
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Ive long been an advocate of old school immigration — open door with a medical and criminal check upon entry. The notion that immigrants will overload the social welfare system is bogus in that vastly more nonimmigrants collect assistance than immigrants. For the most part people do come to the US and Canada to work. This is a simple and cheap policy.
Those who wish to block immigration should be prepared for the expense. Not only would you have to build a new iron curtain across the border, you would need thousands of agents canvasing countless construction sites, meat packing plant, farm, etc. Its really not feasible. Do i really need to argue that big govt solutions arent a good idea? And since most migration is economic, the ups and downs of the economy will be a natural on immigration, ie the law of supply and demand. Open immigration is indeed a right wing argument.
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http://blog.acton.org/archives/81079-almost-half-of-american-voters-would-vote-for-a-socialist-president.html
…. The survey provided some interesting findings, such as 25 percent of Americans would not vote for an evangelical Christian. In contrast, fewer people said they would not for a Mormon (18 percent), Jewish (7 percent), or Catholic (6 percent) candidate.
“But while that particular finding is disconcerting (at least to Evangelicals like me), there was another result that was even more troubling. The survey found that 46 percent said they would vote for a socialist while 50 percent said they would not. …”
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Few want to “block” immigration, but there should be some controls applied — apparently the U.S. has moved away from this (in a de facto/functiong sense) as the border appears fairly free-flowing.
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The immigration debate is really about two issues:
1. Trump, Rubio and Zuckerberg are talking about extremely intelligent, highly skilled immigrants. For several decades, the smartest, most motivated people from around the world have been coming to college here and staying to build companies, invent products, work as scientists and engineers and doctors. The influx of these people has partially offset the fact that native-born Americans have become steadily lazier and dumber. Only an idiot or a demagogue (Trump) really wants the U.S. to force these people to return home.
2. The second issue is tougher. The laziness of America’s lower class (see Coming Apart) has created a huge market for unskilled laborers who will work hard. This is essentially the definition of a Mexican. If we cut welfare would some of America’s lower class develop a better work ethic? Maybe, but I think we would more likely see an increased Rioting Ethic.
My solution:
1. A broad guest worker program with HRW’s criminal and disease checks.
2. An end to birthright citizenship (I always hated the 14th Amendment) and anchor babies.
3. Tough penalties on employers who hire those who aren’t citizens or guest workers.
As for a path to citizenship, the well educated and highly-skilled should have it, but the low-skilled should not.
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Are there really bathrooms that have closets? Mine is the size of a postage stamp, no hidden servers in there
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HRW, how do you do a check for medical and criminal if you have an open border? You’d need a wall or something for that.
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Donna – My mom’s bathroom had a good-sized linen closet. (Wish ours had one.)
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The american working class is the hardest working least appreciated in the western world. No other working class would put up with it. However ricky might use that as evidence to suggest they are the dumbest.
The strange think about american education is the disparity between elementary/secondary and post secondary. America has the best universities in the world and this includes the public land grant schools. The failiure to replicate this at the lower end is thought by those with a conspiracy bent to be deliberate in order for the American working class to contine to be the hardest working and least appreciated in the western world. A better education system would probably lead to a more militant working class (prior to ww2 the US had a fairly active left wing movement).
Strict enforcement of labor law would curb illegal migration but this will never happen as long as the U.S. congress is owed by corporations.
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kbells — both the US and Canada have a policy on which passenger carriers ie planes are responsible for the legal status of their passenger. Illegals which are refused entry must be returned back at the airlines expense. This can be modified to suit govt purposes. With an open policy, immigrants would have an incentive to get their papers in order before they leave. The U.S. would have a more difficult time but with an open policy those on the southern border would put up the processing delay at a border post rather than put up with a coyote and the desert.
Responses to questions about immigration often depend on the way the question is phrased. Interestingly american and european attitudes toward immigration are similar. The exception are the other ex english colonies ie ireland australia canada and new zealand who approve of immigration and some even want more.
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I didn’t say the working class was lazy. I said the lower class was lazy. The lower class generally does not work. They collect welfare, Medicaid and Obamaphones. They live in subsidized housing. They get subsidized electricity. They ruin the public schools. They have illegitimate children. They riot. They commit crimes. They refuse to do the work performed by Mexican immigrants. I would call that “lazy”.
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