I’m about politicked out.
Rush keeps telling us not to give up.
“I’ll tell you when to panic.”
I’m almost there.
I’ve said a dozen times, I’m not worried about me. My great-grandkids will grow up in a third world country.
My dad used to tell me that. “I won’t live to see it (whatever the It was we were discussing) but you and that baby will….
He has been gone 7 years and the longer he is gone the more right he was.
I agree Chas. The list of occupations that will be closed to our Christian Children grows daily. The gays have eliminated anything associated with weddings. marriage, adoption or education. As the pro-abortion people gain power you will soon be able to add anything in the medical field. The atheist are working on keeping Christians out of government , the military, the media and of course education Christian .Business owners will be boycotted and harassed into bankruptcy for opposing the big three; abortion, homosexuality and universalism. If you keep your mouth shut and your opinions to yourself you will be fine until someone digs up your secret and ask you about it a public forum. Answering wrong to a question like “Is Jesus the only way to Heaven”, or “Is homosexuality or abortion a sin” will send you to the poor house or the unemployment line,
The editorial board of PennLive/The Patriot-News in Harrisburg, Pa. is taking a hardcore stance against those who disagree with the Supreme Court ruling to legalize gay marriage.
“As a result of Friday’s ruling, PennLive/The Patriot-News will no longer accept, nor will it print, op-Eds and letters to the editor in opposition to same-sex marriage,” they declared. …
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So I just went and edited the daily thread, and what do I find waiting for me? Well they’ve now placed a rainbow banner across the top of the page. How nice… 🙄
We must stand with conviction and with kindness, with truth and with grace. We must hold to our views and love those who hate us for them. We must not only speak Christian truths; we must speak with a Christian accent. We must say what Jesus has revealed, and we must say those things the way Jesus does — with mercy and with an invitation to new life.
We are called to be the people of the truth, even when the truth is not popular and even when the truth is denied by the culture around us. Christians have found themselves in this position before, and we will again. God’s truth has not changed. The Holy Scriptures have not changed. The gospel of Jesus Christ has not changed. The church’s mission has not changed. Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
Look at the empty cathedrals of the Episcopal Church, the vacated pews of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), and right down the line. Let me be clear. Even if embracing same-sex marriage—or any other endorsement of what the Bible calls sexual immorality—“worked” in church building, we still wouldn’t do it. If we have to choose between Jesus and Millennials, we choose Jesus. But history shows us that those who want a different Jesus—the one who says, “Do whatever you want with your body, it’s okay by me”—don’t want Christianity at all….
Our churches must be ready to call out the revisionists who wish to do away with a Christian sexual ethic. And we must be ready to call out those who tell us acknowledging the signs of the times is forbidden, and we should just keep doing what we’ve been doing. An issue this culturally powerful cannot be addressed by a halfway-gospel or by talk-radio sloganeering. …
These days, pastors & preachers can’t be content with merely quoting the various scriptures condemning homosexuality, & think they have made their case. There are too many articles & books out there claiming to have the “real” interpretation of those verses, claiming they have different meanings than the ones we have understood. And many new people coming into the church will have read them.
Pastors & preachers today need to do their homework to show why those verses mean what we’ve believed them to mean. Or at least have resources available to point people to.
Condescension — There is that, kbells, I have heard and seen enough of it among liberals I know, dripping with that blue-state superiority (as our own state continues to go down the tubes and is flat broke, of course). There are a lot of snobs in our country, sadly.
This is one of 2 articles (the other was in the WaPo) I read before going to bed last night that was sobering. Who knows how the next year(s) will play out. And right now the left is in full celebratory mode (maybe not without cause), saying Obama is back on top of his game and the nation belongs to them for the foreseeable future.
If the general electorate truly has shifted left on social issues, then politically, that may be true. But I pray not.
This was the other political story I saw. It remains to be seen if these assumptions are correct, of course. But I would agree there has been a more liberal social shift among the electorate in the nation that seems to have coalesced only recently (the question is whether it runs deep and has staying power).
…… Across the cultural landscape, the national consensus is evolving rapidly, epitomized by this year’s convulsions of celebrity, social issues and politics — including the acceptance of Caitlyn Jenner’s gender identity, Pope Francis’s climate-change decree and the widespread shunning of the Confederate flag.
Then came Friday’s landmark Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage. As rainbow colors bathed the White House and other landmarks in celebration, the entire field of Republican presidential candidates condemned the ruling.
This uneven terrain is now a key battlefield in the 2016 campaign, unnerving red America and fueling intense debate within the Republican Party about how to navigate such changes — or whether to adapt to the mainstream at all. ….
This is a profound shift for a party that a decade earlier won national elections under a banner of social conservatism. In 2004, Bush successfully used his opposition to gay marriage as a wedge issue in his reelection campaign.
“If these topics are the big ones in the general election — rather than the failure of President Obama and Hillary Clinton as his third term, foreign policy, and of course the economy — we can’t win,” said Austin Barbour, a Mississippi-based operative who runs the super PAC supporting former Texas governor Rick Perry. “We need to be sensible, logical and reasonable on the social issues, but also make sure the debate isn’t entirely about them.” …..
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Pastor Steve’s comment:
“Chill out! this was predicted.”
Pastor Steve believes that the time is coming when Christians will be persecuted in the US. He said that Jesus said, “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake”……Matt 24:9.
He doesn’t exempt the US. He specifically said that. “all nations” does not exempt anyone.
This is in the face of prevailing belief in out church, of a pre-tribulation rapture. That is, God will rescue FBCHNC from tribulation.
I agree with him. I believe that tribulation will include everyone for 3/5 years.
kbells, yes, the clash of rights is what comes next. And polls also show that people generally support the rights of “conscientious objectors” based on faith.
In some ways, the court’s expected decision may remove the topic of gay marriage somewhat. It’s not “settled,” of course, any more than abortion became settled after Roe v. Wade.
I suspect that the vast ‘middle’ in the U.S. electorate has passively gone along with some of these liberal social trends, having no real foundation on which to disagree. They may feel uneasy about much of it, but they don’t have the grounding to know why — much less articulate why these things might be a wrong direction in which to go.
I don’t think there’s been necessarily (though I may be wrong) a strongly-rooted move to the left among most voters.
A good deal of it, I think(?), is peer pressure persuading many to “go along to get along” and to feel like they’re part of the “right” cause. As the tsunami of celebration continues on social media, who wants to be left out of the rainbow party?
Wandering Views 
I’m about politicked out.
Rush keeps telling us not to give up.
“I’ll tell you when to panic.”
I’m almost there.
I’ve said a dozen times, I’m not worried about me. My great-grandkids will grow up in a third world country.
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My dad used to tell me that. “I won’t live to see it (whatever the It was we were discussing) but you and that baby will….
He has been gone 7 years and the longer he is gone the more right he was.
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Here is an article about a Texas official who has a Godly world view (though I don’t know her religious leanings): Two same-sex couples denied application for marriage license.
I have several friends in Denton, Texas, and now I like it even more.
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I agree Chas. The list of occupations that will be closed to our Christian Children grows daily. The gays have eliminated anything associated with weddings. marriage, adoption or education. As the pro-abortion people gain power you will soon be able to add anything in the medical field. The atheist are working on keeping Christians out of government , the military, the media and of course education Christian .Business owners will be boycotted and harassed into bankruptcy for opposing the big three; abortion, homosexuality and universalism. If you keep your mouth shut and your opinions to yourself you will be fine until someone digs up your secret and ask you about it a public forum. Answering wrong to a question like “Is Jesus the only way to Heaven”, or “Is homosexuality or abortion a sin” will send you to the poor house or the unemployment line,
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Disturbing. Free speech anyone?
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/26/the-silencing-paper-will-limit-anti-gay-marriage-op-eds/
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The editorial board of PennLive/The Patriot-News in Harrisburg, Pa. is taking a hardcore stance against those who disagree with the Supreme Court ruling to legalize gay marriage.
“As a result of Friday’s ruling, PennLive/The Patriot-News will no longer accept, nor will it print, op-Eds and letters to the editor in opposition to same-sex marriage,” they declared. …
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The paper’s apology and effort to clarify its policy today:
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2015/06/our_letters_policy_on_same-sex.html#incart_2box
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So I just went and edited the daily thread, and what do I find waiting for me? Well they’ve now placed a rainbow banner across the top of the page. How nice… 🙄
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Again, Russell Moore strikes the right tone
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/06/26/why-the-church-should-neither-cave-nor-panic-about-the-decision-on-gay-marriage/
We must stand with conviction and with kindness, with truth and with grace. We must hold to our views and love those who hate us for them. We must not only speak Christian truths; we must speak with a Christian accent. We must say what Jesus has revealed, and we must say those things the way Jesus does — with mercy and with an invitation to new life.
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AJ, haha — get with the program dude.
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And from Mohler:
http://news.sbts.edu/2015/06/26/mohler-responds-supreme-courts-same-sex-marriage-decision/
We are called to be the people of the truth, even when the truth is not popular and even when the truth is denied by the culture around us. Christians have found themselves in this position before, and we will again. God’s truth has not changed. The Holy Scriptures have not changed. The gospel of Jesus Christ has not changed. The church’s mission has not changed. Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
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And, again, Moore:
http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/same-sex-marriage-and-the-future
Look at the empty cathedrals of the Episcopal Church, the vacated pews of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), and right down the line. Let me be clear. Even if embracing same-sex marriage—or any other endorsement of what the Bible calls sexual immorality—“worked” in church building, we still wouldn’t do it. If we have to choose between Jesus and Millennials, we choose Jesus. But history shows us that those who want a different Jesus—the one who says, “Do whatever you want with your body, it’s okay by me”—don’t want Christianity at all….
Our churches must be ready to call out the revisionists who wish to do away with a Christian sexual ethic. And we must be ready to call out those who tell us acknowledging the signs of the times is forbidden, and we should just keep doing what we’ve been doing. An issue this culturally powerful cannot be addressed by a halfway-gospel or by talk-radio sloganeering. …
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These days, pastors & preachers can’t be content with merely quoting the various scriptures condemning homosexuality, & think they have made their case. There are too many articles & books out there claiming to have the “real” interpretation of those verses, claiming they have different meanings than the ones we have understood. And many new people coming into the church will have read them.
Pastors & preachers today need to do their homework to show why those verses mean what we’ve believed them to mean. Or at least have resources available to point people to.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420204/charleston-shooting-response-south-left-condescension
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Condescension — There is that, kbells, I have heard and seen enough of it among liberals I know, dripping with that blue-state superiority (as our own state continues to go down the tubes and is flat broke, of course). There are a lot of snobs in our country, sadly.
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This is one of 2 articles (the other was in the WaPo) I read before going to bed last night that was sobering. Who knows how the next year(s) will play out. And right now the left is in full celebratory mode (maybe not without cause), saying Obama is back on top of his game and the nation belongs to them for the foreseeable future.
If the general electorate truly has shifted left on social issues, then politically, that may be true. But I pray not.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/the-grand-old-partys-future-shock-119484.html?hp=t3_r
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This was the other political story I saw. It remains to be seen if these assumptions are correct, of course. But I would agree there has been a more liberal social shift among the electorate in the nation that seems to have coalesced only recently (the question is whether it runs deep and has staying power).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-a-fast-changing-culture-can-the-gop-get-in-step-with-modern-america/2015/06/27/2057bb30-1b95-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html
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…… Across the cultural landscape, the national consensus is evolving rapidly, epitomized by this year’s convulsions of celebrity, social issues and politics — including the acceptance of Caitlyn Jenner’s gender identity, Pope Francis’s climate-change decree and the widespread shunning of the Confederate flag.
Then came Friday’s landmark Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage. As rainbow colors bathed the White House and other landmarks in celebration, the entire field of Republican presidential candidates condemned the ruling.
This uneven terrain is now a key battlefield in the 2016 campaign, unnerving red America and fueling intense debate within the Republican Party about how to navigate such changes — or whether to adapt to the mainstream at all. ….
This is a profound shift for a party that a decade earlier won national elections under a banner of social conservatism. In 2004, Bush successfully used his opposition to gay marriage as a wedge issue in his reelection campaign.
“If these topics are the big ones in the general election — rather than the failure of President Obama and Hillary Clinton as his third term, foreign policy, and of course the economy — we can’t win,” said Austin Barbour, a Mississippi-based operative who runs the super PAC supporting former Texas governor Rick Perry. “We need to be sensible, logical and reasonable on the social issues, but also make sure the debate isn’t entirely about them.” …..
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Donna, you should hear how they talk to us in person
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Anyway the GOP should present this as a Religious Freedom or states rights issue rather anti-same sex marriage.
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Pastor Steve’s comment:
“Chill out! this was predicted.”
Pastor Steve believes that the time is coming when Christians will be persecuted in the US. He said that Jesus said, “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake”……Matt 24:9.
He doesn’t exempt the US. He specifically said that. “all nations” does not exempt anyone.
This is in the face of prevailing belief in out church, of a pre-tribulation rapture. That is, God will rescue FBCHNC from tribulation.
I agree with him. I believe that tribulation will include everyone for 3/5 years.
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kbells, yes, the clash of rights is what comes next. And polls also show that people generally support the rights of “conscientious objectors” based on faith.
In some ways, the court’s expected decision may remove the topic of gay marriage somewhat. It’s not “settled,” of course, any more than abortion became settled after Roe v. Wade.
I suspect that the vast ‘middle’ in the U.S. electorate has passively gone along with some of these liberal social trends, having no real foundation on which to disagree. They may feel uneasy about much of it, but they don’t have the grounding to know why — much less articulate why these things might be a wrong direction in which to go.
I don’t think there’s been necessarily (though I may be wrong) a strongly-rooted move to the left among most voters.
A good deal of it, I think(?), is peer pressure persuading many to “go along to get along” and to feel like they’re part of the “right” cause. As the tsunami of celebration continues on social media, who wants to be left out of the rainbow party?
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The Dems, of course, will now try to focus the campaigns on this, portraying conservatives as the party of dinosaurs and general “meanness.” 😉
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There is the Russell Moore way of dealing with Organized Perversion.
Then there is the Putin/ Russian Orthdox Church method.
Then there is the method of South Korean Christians which looks much like Putin’s approach.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/thousands-march-in-seoul/1946262.html
Time will tell which method was best.
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The most orthodox response comes from the Orthodox Church.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-orthodox-church-spokesman-lashes-out-over-u-s-gay-marriage-ruling/524544.html
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