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Our Daily Thread 6-19-15

Good Morning!

It’s Friday!!!

Today’s header photo is from Cheryl. 

And Happy Birthday!!! to Joanne/Ajisuun. 🙂

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On this day in 1778 General George Washington’s troops finally left Valley Forge after a winter of training.

In 1864 the USS Kearsarge sank the CSS Alabama off of Cherbourg, France.

In 1910 the first Father’s Day was celebrated in Spokane, Washington.

In 1912 the U.S. government established the 8-hour work day

And in 1961 the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a provision in Maryland’s constitution that required state officeholders to profess a belief in God.

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Quotes of the Day

“Of two evils, choose neither.”

“Trials teach us what we are; they dig up the soil, and let us see what we are made of.”

Charles Spurgeon

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 Today is Johann Gottlieb Janitsch’s birthday. 

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Anyone have a QoD?

60 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 6-19-15”

  1. My father in law served on the USS Kearsarge during the Korean War. He ran the press room. He was a “lithographer” not just a printer. There is a difference you know. Until the last few years I joked that paper had pretty much bought me everything I had. My father made it and my ex husband sold it. I worked for a company that was tied to the graphic arts industry.
    Lulabelle comes home from Doggy Camp today. Someone in this house is excited. Last night he made sure her bedding was just so and put her “lovey” on it where she could find it when she gets home. He has speculated on just what she has thought about being there and if it upset her to left. Did she think she had been abandoned? You know she has had to sleep OUTSIDE in a kennel. 😉
    My, I can’t believe how fast two weeks have flown by! 😉 I remind myself that she is just a dog and she is a very affectionate dog. It has just been that in her exuberance to be affectionate she is obnoxious. If Amos is overly friendly to someone who comes into our home I can pick him up and remove him, if I can tell they aren’t dog people. Lulabelle doesn’t understand that every human she meets isn’t there for the sole purpose of giving her attention. Oh how I hope this trainer has worked miracles with her and that Lou’s human doesn’t undo it it an afternoon.
    I guess we all know that gun control is being circulated again. I also guess we all have to face that racism is alive and well in the United States. I had really believed it was a thing of the past. Oh, I knew we weren’t all 100% there but I thought we were better than killing each other or targeting someone to kill simply because of who there were.
    I don’t know if you saw the link I posted last night about the Church bells ringing on Sunday. Right now it is just the Historic Charleston Churches. I do suspect that by Sunday there will be more.
    http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150618/PC16/150619373

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  3. Yes, today’s photo really is from me. Usually I take photos of natural objects (animals, flowers, trees, waterfalls) and do my best to make sure there isn’t a power line or anything manmade in it. (If the bird is sitting on a powerline or a roof, that’s different.) In this case, I was down by the river in Chattanooga, and I knew my husband would like the scene with the bridges and the boats, so I shot it for him, and I think it turned out pretty nice.

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  4. Don’t ever put your coffee cup on the same table with your keyboard. Something bad it ll happen. Without fail.

    😦

    At first, I thought it was the bridge over the Potomac at Harper’s Ferry.

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  5. Megyn Kelly, in her bit about the tragedy, mentioned that Charleston is/was called “The Holy City”. That is true. The sailors named her that because in those days, in sailing into port, they could see the numerous steeples, and that’s all they, at first, saw of Charleston.
    And they still ring the bells. I mentioned before, everyone in Charleston who pays attention, knows what time it is within fifteen minutes.

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  8. My uncle was an electricians mate on the Kearsarge during the Korean War. Joseph Duval. He and my dad got in trouble because my father, a self-described “squirrelly lieutenant,” caught a ride over from the USS Enterprise with the mail helicopter to visit Joe.

    Officer seeking out enlisted man, even if it was his brother in a war zone, was not allowed.

    Funny memory. I don’t know how many times I heard that story. I can hear it in my memory, now. Both men are dead, but their laughter is ringing on, right now, through my tears.

    Happy Father’s Day to you all.

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  10. Hello, y’all! We had major thunderstorms that plowed through our area yesterday. It seems very humid now.

    I’ve been spending a good bit of time in prayer over my brother’s work situation. It is so difficult when it seems people in charge are out to make someone appear to fail at their job. My brother is a very hard worker who does things by the rules rather than padding reports like some do. He deserves appreciation but instead efforts are made to seemingly make it impossible for him to do a good job unless he spends 24/7 doing assigned duties. I have had other types of work pressures but none like what he has been going through. I am thinking some spiritual warfare is involved from my sideline viewing point.

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  11. Nice bridge. Does it have lights?

    It took our port community 17 years to raise the money & get a design approved to put decorative blue LED lights on our suspension bridge. It still comes up in references and quotes when something is taking an inordinately long time to do — “Well, it took us 17 years to light the bridge.”

    There was always a snag, the final one being when the Coastal Commission said that because migratory birds flew over the harbor and bridge, that lights would not be approved. Angst. But that’s when they came up with the LED idea, which gave off much less harsh illumination than the earlier design.

    The final victory after all the time was sweet and we still love our lights, they’ve been up now for maybe close to 10 years? Even though the strands, unfortunately, don’t match. The blue strand along the roadway and the blue outlining the top spans are slightly different hues of blue. That’s because organizers (possibly at the city’s quiet behest) decided to use two of the suppliers on L.A. city vendor list, to spread the wealth to 2 companies rather than just one.

    Turns out LED lights from different companies vary just a teeny-tiny bit in shade, even though they may have the same name & specifications.

    The mismatched lights still bug the “Monk” in me just a little bit. But most have embraced it.

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  12. We’re in a hot spell, but the coast is still getting heavy fog/marine layer in the evenings to keep us cooler than most of the other L.A. areas inland. This morning we were socked in again.

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  13. Well, the killer in the church shootings has confessed, that makes things easier.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/index.html

    (CNN)Dylann Roof admits he did it, two law enforcement officials said — shooting and killing nine people he’d sat with for Bible study at a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina.

    But why? To start a race war, Roof told investigators, according to one of the officials.

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  14. I saw something on the shooter indicating he got in trouble with the police bsck in Feb. He was on a controlled narcotic he had gotten off the street. It is something that is suppose to help with opiate addictions, but some say it causes really bad thoughts. The article I saw was comparing all these mass killings and saying they are all involving guys on psyc meds.

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  17. Unfortunately, this will probably be a “pick your root cause” kind of story that will be used to advance various agendas — guns, racism, mental illness, drugs, any combination thereof and all of which very possibly played a significant role. Not to mention what may have been an unwise parent in the mix if the gun really was a “gift” to the boy, even after he had a police record.

    At any rate, we’ll all be hearing the “There oughta be a law” refrain in coming weeks about how all of these violent incidents can be prevented (though they ultimately can’t) if only …

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  19. I was in Chattanooga once. I wasn’t by the river, though I saw it from Lookout Mountain (if I remember the name right) which was our destination. We stopped by to see the Underground Sea in the same trip, I remember.

    Kim, I share your discouragement. However, I have discovered something about racism. Like hatred, murder, envy, and lust, it’s seeds lie in the heart of every fallen human. Often in times of great trouble, it is easier to turn on those who look different from us, or speak differently from us, and wreak on them the fear and anger that arise out of our difficult circumstances. Hatred of the stranger first reared its ugly head at the division of the tower of Babel. It cropped up again in the Egyptian genocide of Jewish male children; and the Jews were no sooner safely out of that situation, than Miriam and Aaron lashed out at Moses for marrying a woman of a different skin colour and tribal origin. [Note: I regard the concept of ‘race’ as an artificial sociological construction, created by intellectuals in the 1800’s who wanted to find justification for their enslavement and subjugation of other people groups. The Bible only speaks of different tongues, tribes, and nations.]

    If I’m honest, there have been times when small whispered thoughts have suggested that certain people groups are less worthy of my concern than others. I recognize those thoughts as sinful and seek the Lord’s help to take them away. I have discovered though, that in order for God truly to take such thoughts away, I have to be willing to love the stranger. That is really the only way to deal with the default position of hatred and suspicion of the stranger.

    God knew that, and in His Law to the Israelites, He makes the strongest statement I have ever read on the subject:

    He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment. Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt. – Deuteronomy 10:18-19

    Once the early church wrapped its mind around the fact that the Gospel was for the Gentiles as well as the Jews, they seemed to cast all ideas of ethnic divides behind them. This was helped by two facts: the first being the reversal of Babel at Pentecost and the gift of tongues; the second, the fact that they, like the wandering children of Abraham, considered themselves strangers. This is evident not only in the NT epistles, but also in early church writings, like the ‘Epistle to Diognetus’ (c. 120 A.D) which observes of Christians: “Every foreign land is to them as their native country, and every land of their birth as a land of strangers.”

    But then Christianity became a political power, and it rapidly forgot that that we are called strangers. Rather than simply praying for the peace of the land they lived in, they decided to establish their security in that land. This state of affairs lasted throughout the Middle Ages, and when the Reformation happened, the national identification of Christianity persisted throughout bloody religious wars* to this day. Viewing ourselves as citizens of a heavenly kingdom and strangers here on earth is reserved for those courageous souls who go as foreign missionaries. Thus, we tend to identify with the political climate around us. I may say, as an outside observer, that the political climate in the U.S. has been ripening for this kind of act. There is so much rabid fear visible in the reports that reach us, that other people in my circle have also remarked on the possibility of racial violence rearing its ugly head again. From what Aji Suun has remarked about people she has encountered in supporting churches, and what I have observed from clips of angry preachers, it seems the fear of the stranger is infecting the church as well.

    *Note: It occurred to me the other day, when Christ told Peter that they that take the sword will perish with the sword, He was warning what would happen if His Church defended itself with arms and it has happened every time. When the Huguenots took up arms in France, they were slaughtered; the same with the Protestants in Bohemia and Germany during the Thirty Years War. As for the English Puritans, they may have won the English Civil War and executed the king (which was entirely against the commands of Scripture) but a few decades later, during the abortive Monmouth Rebellion, the Puritan rebels were summarily executed in the hundreds. That, I think, is the answer to the question of how far the Church should go in defending itself.

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  20. Janice & Donna: Anders Brevick was perfectly sane when he shot up that gathering of Norwegian youth and he did it to start a race war too. Human nature is capable of being that horrible without the influence of drugs or demonic possession.

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  21. Roscuro – From your descriptions of the Huguenots (“took up arms”) & the English Puritans (“executed the king”), it sounds like they were not merely defending themselves, but also being aggressors. I don’t think being prepared to take force against someone who is shooting people in one’s church is a bad idea.

    There was a man who used to comment on the WMB who insisted that Jesus taught that self-defense was wrong. He & his family had an agreement that if any of them were attacked, they would not fight back, nor would they come to the defense of another. Somehow, I can’t imagine Jesus would tell us to just let the carnage happen.

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  22. Do we defend ourselves or those around us question. I was reading in first Samuel yesterday and saw how Doeg killed all of the priests and their families and animals in Saul’s retaliation for David eating the consecrated bread and taking Goliath’s sword with the help of the priests. Anyway, the question that came to mind, along the thought of defense in a church building, was if the priests were unable to defend themselves or unwilling to defend themselves. It seemed Doeg did it on his own because the other soldiers knew better than to raise a sword to the priests of God. It may be he had a lot of help or it may be singlehanded. I don’t know. But I wondered if that was supposed to be our example, let it happen. In the garden, the disciple was told to let them take Him, not defend. That is a hard concept. It is easy for me to think, if they kill me, I know where I will be and I don’t want to kill them because I don’t know where they will end up. But not so easy to say, kill them even though I don’t know where they will be.

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  23. I realize the close of my paragraphs on racism sound harsh and accusing. That was not my intent. My intent was to warn that uncontrollable fear of the political and economic situation will lead to this kind of violence. It happened in nearly bankrupted Germany in the 1930’s. It happens all the time in impoverished or economically pressed countries – if you have seen any reports from South Africa, you would know that there are riots where immigrants from other African countries are attacked and sometimes killed; in Thailand, they used people fleeing Burma as illegal slaves on fishing vessels, until it was discovered and public pressure was put on them to stop, and now they are abandoning these Burmese slaves on reef islands in the Pacific. I have seen Europeans, who are facing economic problems, on comment boards suggest that those boat people fleeing Libya, many of them originally Christian workers or refugees from places like Eritrea, should be left to the sea. In Russia, immigrants are brutally murdered by skinhead groups, and little justice is given. Christians must counteract the angry rhetoric in their own circles, for we are the salt and light of our respective nations. I did it myself the other day, when several people in my church started being very negative about a certain group of immigrants (Canada is under economic pressure too). I pointed out that here was an evangelistic opportunity and our former pastor, who was visiting, backed me up saying that we needed to trust God and know He was working rather than focusing on circumstances.

    I came across this a couple of weeks ago: http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/three-generations-on-race-relations

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  24. Karen, the Huguenots would have said they were only acting in self defense, trying to keep the royal family from being unduly influenced by the Catholic house of Guise. The English Puritans started their rebellion when King Charles I tried to arrest members of Parliament, and it was fear that James II would become a bloody Catholic which provoked the Monmouth Rebellion. The Bohemians were similarly afraid when they started the events that led to the Thirty Years War. In essence, they were all arguably acting in self defense. Mumsee is right. It is difficult to say stand down. But what else did Christ mean when He said, “If any man smite you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also”? Yesterday, I linked to the interview with Lynn Vincent. In the video, she talks about reporting on a massacre that happened in a church youth gathering. She recalls the young man who stood up and told the shooter, “Go ahead and shoot me. I know where I’m going” and how at that point the shooter stopped and turned the gun on himself. I’m not saying that if someone can wrestle down the gunman, they shouldn’t try, anymore than I would say that a Christian woman shouldn’t fight a would-be rapist. But that is different than packing firearms and shooting to kill.

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  25. Well, I didn’t specify shoot to kill. I would hope the one with the gun would disable the shooter, to end the killing. It’s one thing for me to say that I wouldn’t mind dying in such a situation, but to say go ahead & watch your wives & children be slaughtered doesn’t sit right with me.

    As for the verse you mentioned, I have heard it said that Jesus was describing more of an insult than an actual dangerous physical attack.

    We say that one of a husband’s duties is to protect their family. Is that true?

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  26. Thanks for the birthday greetings! Just a quiet day here. Had a birthday lunch with a friend yesterday. Planning to splurge on a little ice cream later!

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  27. Thoughts?

    Russell D. Moore on the Confederate flag:

    ” … The Apostle Paul says that we should not prize our freedom to the point of destroying those for whom Christ died. We should instead “pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding” (Rom. 14:19). … White Christians, let’s listen to our African American brothers and sisters. Let’s care not just about our own history, but also about our shared history with them. In Christ, we were slaves in Egypt — and as part of the Body of Christ we were all slaves too in Mississippi. Let’s watch our hearts, pray for wisdom, work for justice, love our neighbors. Let’s take down that flag.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/06/19/southern-baptists-russell-moore-its-time-to-take-down-the-confederate-flag/

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  28. Karen, first, we are talking about churches defending themselves, not families. One’s family may be a part of the church or they may not; but if they are, they may well share the Christian perspective. Secondly, the husband is told to lay down his life for his wife in Ephesians 5, and most teachers point out that doesn’t primarily mean physically dying for her (though it could), rather placing her needs above his. The idea of self-defence or defense of one’s family comes more from the default honour culture in which humans naturally tend to function – the fighting of duels of honour in 1700s England or the feuds in 1800s America bear close resemblance to the honour killings and feuds in present day Pakistan or Afghanistan – rather than from Scripture. Even in the Law, it is expected that the authorities will always be called in to deal with a situation. An avenger of blood had to wait for judgement on a killer before taking vengeance, and if thieves escaped from a house breaking, they could not then be hunted down and killed by the householder. Ideally, it should be the civil authorities which should ensure places of worship are secure, since they are to protect their citizens. And in this situation, there is no reason to suppose they weren’t protecting them. Nobody in the church viewed this man as a threat until he pulled out his gun. This was a unusual case, and there is an old saying, “Hard cases make bad law.”

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  30. Donna, Dr. Moore is eloquent and Scriptural as usual. I would like to say here, that he is right about all our origins having both good and evil in them. I was thinking, after I wrote about Rhodesia yesterday, that one of my parents’ good Christian friends is a man who fought on the settler’s side on that war, and now lives in exile. He himself has no trace of hatred for black people – that works better than saying Africans, because he, though of European descent, was born in Africa – and I know that what Zimbabwe has become grieves him. So, I have no doubt that Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee were also gentle, good men. But, perhaps if the Confederate flag is a stumbling block to real reconciliation, it would be better to take it down, like Hezekiah destroyed Moses’ bronze serpent because people worshipped it.

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  31. I’ve been involved in a Facebook discussion about the confederate flag. I was trying to explain what has been explained to me – that it is not necessarily a symbol of racism. The liberals commenting see it only as a symbol of racism, & one particular commenter argued with me as if I was defending racism. (I told him not to shoot the messenger. 🙂 )

    One lady mentioned her family going on vacation in the south & being called Yankees, apparently in a negative way.

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  32. I didn’t finish what I was writing above. I had also commented that I thought it best for people not to fly the Confederate flag because it does have the connotation of racism.

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  33. roscuro (1:09) um, well, I think that was my point. ? Maybe I didn’t make it clearly.

    We (in our secular nation) are always seeking the “reason” for these things and then trying to legislate to prevent it, whether it be guns or drugs or mental illness.

    We believers all know that indwelling sin is the root cause of all of these acts of violence

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  34. Roscuro, routine defense of individuals and private property is not part of law enforcement’s duty; they are not armed guards. Generally their role is after a law has been broken, though they do occasionally see it in progress and stop it. The same law that says you can’t go after the thief who flees after daylight (because you can recognize and identify him, and bring him to justice through your testimony) also allows you to kill him if he breaks in. Nothing in Scripture is against self-defense against those who would kill or maim you. And a man who refuses to defend his family, or others, when it is in his power to do so is simply wrong, not more virtuous.

    I think the Confederate flag has been unfairly vilified. I’ve never flown it, but I don’t think it is fair to assume that those who fly it are racists. Many simply believe strongly (as I do) that the wrong side won the war, and has been trampling on its citizens rights ever since. People might someday say that the cross is a symbol of antihomosexual bigotry, but saying something multiple times doesn’t make it true.

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  35. And while we can (and have done so) legislate against institutional racism, it will always be part of the human condition due to sin. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t call it out or accept it, especially when we find it in our own hearts.

    But it will never completely vanish this side of the heaven and new earth.

    I’m uneasy with the notion of churches packing heat, barring a situation like that in the mideast perhaps where violent attacks are regularly occurring and very real threats.

    As much as possible, I hope the Christian community maintains its calling to overcome evil with good, to stand out by its refusal to join the fray. We may wind up being victims, but the rush to take up arms (and move from defense to aggression) is too much of a temptation to the sinful natures in all of us I’m afraid.

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  36. Roscuro – My thought was that a man’s wife & children would likely be in the church. It could also be said, I guess, that the people of the church are all part of the family of God. 🙂

    I am not advocating shoot to kill, just to stop the killing. The shooter who gets away may end up killing others along his way, who don’t know the Lord.

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  37. Cheryl (4:28), 2nd graph: From Moore’s perspective (and I think he is probably right), it’s become a major stumbling block that I think divides the church in some ways. While historic monuments (because they are history) should not be altered, I think flying it as part of a state or local government entity clearly causes much offense and hurt.

    And I suspect some individuals do fly it as an “in your face” statement with regard to race, sadly.

    I think Moore is saying perhaps now is a time for those in the church to take a deep breath and seek unity on these matters that really should not divide the church of Christ — and to act in deference to those brothers and sisters who feel so deeply offended and wounded by the symbol.

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  38. At the office now so I can see the nice bridge picture. Cheryl, was that from around the North Shore area where that artsy park is? Our family walked around there one Mother’s Day. It was a great place to visit.

    Georgia had lots of debates about the flag some years back. Seems like it was part of a governor’s platform (to get it changed).

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  39. Cheryl, law enforcement not only acts as a reactionary force, but also as a deterrent. One reason wrongdoing is punished is to make other potential criminals stop and think twice about committing the same crime. The less corruptible a police force is, the more they are feared by criminals. So, yes, their role as ‘”not a terror to good works, but to the evil” is generally effective to protect individuals and private property – e.g. security systems wouldn’t be any good if criminals knew law enforcement wouldn’t respond. There are a number of violent racists in the U.S. as there are in other places, but most are not willing to risk the consequences of violent attacks; whereas, in Russia, they know that the broken justice system may well allow them to get away with decapitating foreigners.

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  40. Two comments:

    1. Why does anyone give a person a gun for their birthday? Particularly one who is obviously troubled?

    2. We’re warned in Scripture not to be a stumbling block. I don’t care what the Confederate flag means to anyone, but since it bothers a lot of people, what good is done by flying it?

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  41. I also don’t care why this kid murdered people. I simply don’t care. He’s a murderer. Lock him up and I don’t want to hear anymore from him unless he repents.

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  43. Janice, yes, it was.

    Roscuro, it is only a partial deterrent–if you know you will be met with no resistance (the people you seek to rob from or hurt have no weapons) and you will probably not get caught, then the police force is of limited help. Knowing that you won’t get away with it because the home owner is armed is a stronger deterrent–it’s why home break-ins don’t happen in Israel, from what I understand.

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  44. Michelle, I think there’s a point to that argument . . . but what if people are offended by the American flag? Do we have to stop displaying it? What if they are offended by a church having a cross? (After all, many crosses have been burned by the KKK.) What if a Christmas tree in your front window is found to be offensive?

    Sometimes it’s legitimate to say, “I’m not doing this to offend. This isn’t about you.” Is this one of those instances? Being someone who has no “history” with the Confederate flag, either way, I don’t have a strong opinion on the matter. But I have close friends on both sides of the matter, and I’m not inclined to call my War Between the States re-enactment buddies that they are racist if they have an affinity for the flag that ought to be their national flag.

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  47. I had promised myself to refrain from this discussion about the Confederate Flag, but it is a part of our history. We had had several flags fly over us. We had the Spanish, the French, the British, The US, the Confederate, the US. It is part of our history.

    http://www.archives.state.al.us/emblems/nat_flags.html

    It isn’t meant as a symbol of the oppression of slaves. Through both of my parents although I deny that my people were here during that time. We were too poor to own any slaves. My child qualifies to be a Daughter of the American Revolution through her father. It is history. To deny it existed doesn’t make it go away. The Recent Unpleasantness really wasn’t fought over slavery. That is what the North tried to make it about. It was REALLY fought over States Rights v Federal Government. The South was sending their cotton straight to England rather than to the mills in the NorthEast. It was a war about the almighty dollar. The rallying cry was slavery. The North didn’t care any more about slavery than anyone else. Slavery was not sustainable. If left alone it would have faded away over the next 25 or 30 years.. The Industrial Revolution was in its infancy. As it grew, slavery would have faded away.

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  53. Re the photo of the bridge: I have no idea whether it had lights on it, as I wasn’t down there at night.

    If you think I can only take bird photos, notice there is a flying bird near the left bridge support.

    And do any of you Southerners know what the plant/tree in the foreground is? I saw it all over, but didn’t know what it is.

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  54. Idaho County is getting a bridge replaced. A wooden one put in by the CCC in the thirties. It has seen better days. But Idaho County has registered a disclaimer so they won’t be held responsible if the four hundred twenty thousand pound rock (I don’t know who weighed it) comes down on somebody. The transportation dept says the rock has not moved significantly in the past few years. The County says they don’t know what is meant by moved significantly and don’t believe anybody will be stopping it if it decides to move more, so they don’t want to be held responsible. The rock can’t be removed, says the transportation dept, because it would be dangerous to do so. I would think so.

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  55. Day 3 down in a stretch of 6 straight days of babysitting. The first & the last are all-day long, from first thing in the morning to past when he goes to bed. Then we get one day off before another all-day day. I am tired.

    We thought Emily would be able to get someone to take Forrest for a couple days a week, but she can’t afford it. The state program that helps pay for babysitters only pays for one, which would be Chrissy. At least Chrissy will be making better money than Lee was able to pay her, & Forrest will be starting kindergarten in a little over two months.

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  58. The “new” (~15year old) bridge here is getting lights. IMO it’s a waste of money. They say “people travelling along US 61 will see the lights and want to come to the city and spend money here. Bah! You can barely see the bridge from US 61 (5 miles away), and unless people intend to go the 5 miles from US 61 into Quincy, they’ll not drive 5 miles there and back just to see some silly lights!

    The stupid ways cities spend money to draw tourism dollars annoy me.

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