Wonder if I dare post it to my select “christian” FB friends group (which includes a couple of “liberal” Christians who push the acceptance of gay marriage issue so hard?). Maybe, maybe not.
In SS yesterday, the teacher mentioned the lady with the Pizza place in Indiana and the reaction to her comment.
After SS I mentioned that Rush said the e-mails and tweets were from only about ten people. Then I mentioned the Chick-fil-a incident.
He told me that he was on the board at Elon University. Some students had said that they wanted Chick-fil-a removed from the campus. While the board was considering it, he told them that he would remove them from his will and leave the board. They backed down.
Lots of decisions are reversed when someone says, “I’ll leave, but not quietly’.
Interesting piece I posted on FB — liked by a couple liberals, so I wonder if they even realize that the “unpopular speech” that’s mostly being shut down on campuses nowadays is reflecting of conservative & orthodox religious points of view.
“Adlai Stevenson once said ‘A free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular.’ That description hasn’t much applied to today’s college campuses, where we’ve seen witch hunts over false rape charges, censorship of unpopular ideas, Orwellian responses to ‘micro aggressions,’ and absurd demands for ‘safe spaces’ where no contradictory thought may enter.
….. “
Some thoughts & observations on the current brouhaha over Indiana’s Religious Freedom law, & the issues surrounding it…
—Many people on the left see this as being an “anti-gay” law, allowing businesses to discriminate against gays.
However, federal anti-discrimination law trumps state religious freedom laws.
—Some liberals, even gay liberals, believe that businesses should NOT be forced to provide a service that goes against their conscience. They may believe that it is wrong for a business to refuse that service, but they don’t think those businesses should be forced by law to do so.
—Many conservatives see religious freedom laws as necessary to protect religious (Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or whatever) business owners from having to participate in same-sex weddings. (It has been pointed out that florists, bakers, & photographers do indeed have to “participate” by being present to provide their service.)
—Those same business owners who don’t want to participate in same-sex weddings have no problems with providing regular services to gay customers. One of the bakers being sued was friendly with the gay man now suing her, & he had been a long-time customer.
—There are also many conservatives & Christians who would willingly provide services for same-sex weddings.
—Even if you think business owners should be forced by law to participate in same-sex weddings, does that mean those owners who refuse should have to lose their livelihood by having their businesses shut down? One elderly woman is now at risk of losing her business, her savings, AND her home. Is that fair?
—Just because you think something is the right thing to do doesn’t mean that the law should force it. Conversely, just because you think something is wrong doesn’t mean the law should forbid it.
” … Paul might well be able to make himself ‘more acceptable’ to conservatives without substantially dampening enthusiasm among committed libertarians. The problem is that making himself more acceptable is unlikely to prove sufficient for purposes of sustaining a strong bid for the GOP nomination. … By running as a less libertarian, more traditional conservative candidate, Paul may be able to improve on these (poll) numbers. But it seems unlikely that he can elevate himself to the first-tier in these (southern, more traditionally conservative) states. … ”
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Meanwhile, did you see the story about how Jeb Bush self-identified himself as a “Hispanic” voter? 🙂 Seriously strange.
With gay marriage (and identity) having already been so successfully tied to the Civil Rights movement (I know, but the strategy has largely worked with most Americans), I suspect religious freedom will be trumped pretty easily as this issue gets pushed to its logical limits. But I may be wrong.
And on our indigestion from the pizza story, Kurtz gets to this point behind it all:
” … But the larger problem is that too many on the left want to silence free speech or punish those whose beliefs are deemed unacceptable. You see this every time a campus protest forces a conservative speaker to cancel an appearance—and that should depress honest liberals who once fervently fought for free speech. …
” .. Same-sex marriage is now legal in 37 states, and with young people increasingly seeing it as a non-issue, that trend will undoubtedly continue. But it’s important for all of us, in the media and elsewhere, to respect the views of a significant number of Americans who don’t agree. … ”
“If you know the history of mainstream religion-news coverage in the late 20th Century, then you know the byline of Peter Steinfels in The New York Times. As an old-school Catholic progressive, he is now known for his work at Commonweal.
“The meltdown in Indiana inspired a piece from Steinfels the other day that GetReligion readers simply must read, from beginning to end. I have literally nothing to say to frame this essay except to say this: What. He. Said. … “
Wandering Views 
This was helpful: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/burnt-by-the-sol-gay-rights-christianity-condensed-symbol/
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Good article, thanks
Wonder if I dare post it to my select “christian” FB friends group (which includes a couple of “liberal” Christians who push the acceptance of gay marriage issue so hard?). Maybe, maybe not.
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In SS yesterday, the teacher mentioned the lady with the Pizza place in Indiana and the reaction to her comment.
After SS I mentioned that Rush said the e-mails and tweets were from only about ten people. Then I mentioned the Chick-fil-a incident.
He told me that he was on the board at Elon University. Some students had said that they wanted Chick-fil-a removed from the campus. While the board was considering it, he told them that he would remove them from his will and leave the board. They backed down.
Lots of decisions are reversed when someone says, “I’ll leave, but not quietly’.
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Interesting piece I posted on FB — liked by a couple liberals, so I wonder if they even realize that the “unpopular speech” that’s mostly being shut down on campuses nowadays is reflecting of conservative & orthodox religious points of view.
Yeah, probably not. 🙂
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/04/05/education-good-news-free-society-column/25329965/
“Adlai Stevenson once said ‘A free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular.’ That description hasn’t much applied to today’s college campuses, where we’ve seen witch hunts over false rape charges, censorship of unpopular ideas, Orwellian responses to ‘micro aggressions,’ and absurd demands for ‘safe spaces’ where no contradictory thought may enter.
….. “
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Something I posted on Facebook this morning…
Some thoughts & observations on the current brouhaha over Indiana’s Religious Freedom law, & the issues surrounding it…
—Many people on the left see this as being an “anti-gay” law, allowing businesses to discriminate against gays.
However, federal anti-discrimination law trumps state religious freedom laws.
—Some liberals, even gay liberals, believe that businesses should NOT be forced to provide a service that goes against their conscience. They may believe that it is wrong for a business to refuse that service, but they don’t think those businesses should be forced by law to do so.
—Many conservatives see religious freedom laws as necessary to protect religious (Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or whatever) business owners from having to participate in same-sex weddings. (It has been pointed out that florists, bakers, & photographers do indeed have to “participate” by being present to provide their service.)
—Those same business owners who don’t want to participate in same-sex weddings have no problems with providing regular services to gay customers. One of the bakers being sued was friendly with the gay man now suing her, & he had been a long-time customer.
—There are also many conservatives & Christians who would willingly provide services for same-sex weddings.
—Even if you think business owners should be forced by law to participate in same-sex weddings, does that mean those owners who refuse should have to lose their livelihood by having their businesses shut down? One elderly woman is now at risk of losing her business, her savings, AND her home. Is that fair?
—Just because you think something is the right thing to do doesn’t mean that the law should force it. Conversely, just because you think something is wrong doesn’t mean the law should forbid it.
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Nuts-and-bolts 2016 campaign stuff:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/04/rand-pauls-gambit.php
” … Paul might well be able to make himself ‘more acceptable’ to conservatives without substantially dampening enthusiasm among committed libertarians. The problem is that making himself more acceptable is unlikely to prove sufficient for purposes of sustaining a strong bid for the GOP nomination. … By running as a less libertarian, more traditional conservative candidate, Paul may be able to improve on these (poll) numbers. But it seems unlikely that he can elevate himself to the first-tier in these (southern, more traditionally conservative) states. … ”
______________________________
Meanwhile, did you see the story about how Jeb Bush self-identified himself as a “Hispanic” voter? 🙂 Seriously strange.
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With gay marriage (and identity) having already been so successfully tied to the Civil Rights movement (I know, but the strategy has largely worked with most Americans), I suspect religious freedom will be trumped pretty easily as this issue gets pushed to its logical limits. But I may be wrong.
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And on our indigestion from the pizza story, Kurtz gets to this point behind it all:
” … But the larger problem is that too many on the left want to silence free speech or punish those whose beliefs are deemed unacceptable. You see this every time a campus protest forces a conservative speaker to cancel an appearance—and that should depress honest liberals who once fervently fought for free speech. …
” .. Same-sex marriage is now legal in 37 states, and with young people increasingly seeing it as a non-issue, that trend will undoubtedly continue. But it’s important for all of us, in the media and elsewhere, to respect the views of a significant number of Americans who don’t agree. … ”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/06/age-intolerance-what-indiana-pizza-attacks-tell-us-about-free-speech/?intcmp=latestnews
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http://www.getreligion.org/getreligion/2015/4/5/cheers-for-peter-steinfels-old-school-liberal-defends-both-religious-liberty-and-journalism
“If you know the history of mainstream religion-news coverage in the late 20th Century, then you know the byline of Peter Steinfels in The New York Times. As an old-school Catholic progressive, he is now known for his work at Commonweal.
“The meltdown in Indiana inspired a piece from Steinfels the other day that GetReligion readers simply must read, from beginning to end. I have literally nothing to say to frame this essay except to say this: What. He. Said. … “
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