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Our Daily Thread 9-13-14

Good Morning!

The weekend has arrived!!!

On this day in 1759 the French were defeated by the British on the Plains of Abraham in the final French and Indian War. 

In 1788 the Constitutional Convention decided that the first federal election was to be held on Wednesday the following February. On that day George Washington was elected as the first president of the United States.

In 1898 Hannibal Williston Goodwin patented celluloid photographic film, which is used to make movies. 

And in 1970 the first New York City Marathon took place. Fireman Gary Muhrucke won the race. 

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Quote of the Day

“She was a handsome woman of forty-five and would remain so for several years.”

J. B. Priestly 🙂

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Today is Hector Cervantes’ birthday. Tomorrow is Mark Hall’s. So Casting Crowns to start off. From Casting Crowns

 And today is Bill Monroe’s birthday too.

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Anyone have a QoD?

112 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 9-13-14”

  7. Mouse belongs to AJ and family.

    I was thinking this morning, being it’s September 13, that there is a birthday on here. I went back and checked the archives for 9-13-13 to verify.

    Happy Birthday to a dear one who has some kids…

    And some children… 😉

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  9. I see you grabbed 57 on yesterday’s thread, too, Chas. 😉

    Also, I just remembered AnnMS told us a few days back that one of her daughters had a birthday coming up. I’m pretty sure that birthday was yesterday, but I’m trying to think of which daughter. Was it L.? Anyway, happy belated to Ann’s daughter. 🙂

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  13. I’d forgotten it was. Sorry Mumsee. 😦

    Now I feel like a jerk. I picked the JB Priestly quote because it was his birthday too, and it amused me. Now I feel like a bonehead when it’s one of the fine ladies who visit here’s birthday and that’s the one I picked. It in no way was meant to reflect on Mumsee, or my Mother in Law, it’s her’s too. Honestly, it was just a coincidence. Sorry. 😦

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  16. A gully washer in the neighborhood washed garbage cans down the street. We hunted late last night but was not sure which was ours. Process of elimination may solve this mystery. If any are left after others gather theirs then we get the unwanted orphan! I do have other cans in case ours decided to live elsewhere.

    Early morning breakfast with husband at Krystal revealed that senior adult men wander from McDonald’s to Krystal, etc. looking for friends to talk to on Saturday mornings (a version of looking for love in all the usual places?).They have interesting discussions about the weather and jury selections. One said 30% chance of rain in an area means it will rain over 30% of the area, as in one suburb but not another. I had never thought of it that way. They also were making note of the percentage of black jurors compared to white on an important case in our county. These were older white men speaking in a mixed clientelle fast food restaurant. The men probably were hard of hearing since their voices carried a distance. Not so good for race relations. 😦

    Chas, age wise you probably fit with these guys, but I know you are in a different category. These guys also spiked their talk with minor curse words, not so bad as I heard at the Hickory House restaurant the other morning.

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  17. When a meteorologist says 30% chance of rain. He means that there is a 30% chance that it will rain anywhere. Not that there is 100% chance of rain over 30% of the area.
    I wouldn’t fit well in that group.

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  18. Looking at the cat picture, it looks like an evil animal with the light from the flash reflecting in the eyes. But then, cats are deceptively evil, aren’t they?

    [Runs and hides.]

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  19. Are you sure, Chas? My husband explained it that same way (which I’d never heard before) and I believe he said that a meterologist is the one who told him that. (It doesn’t actually make much sense to me. For example, a 10% chance of rain isn’t very much . . . so how can we expect it to rain anywhere in the area? Whereas with a 90% chance, it seems likely to rain over the entire area.)

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  20. What a year. It’s more like late October here, with temps in the low 40s. We turned on the heater this morning. Way too early for that. October 1 is the time for heaters.

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  22. Our chance of rain lately = 0%

    It actually says that on our forecast, leaving no doubt. No matter how you interpret it. 0% is pretty much 0%.

    Happy Birthday to mumsee! I always see it on FB first where people are wishing her happy birthday so we all “camp” for a while & post birthday greetings on her FB page. Which she never sees, of course. 😉 Because she forgot her password …. But I always like seeing FB mumsee in her monster car.

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  23. Chas, when it was mentioned that we were heading into a heat wave one of my colleagues (who loves Al Gore and still mourns his loss in 2000) said something like ‘Al told us this would happen’ … 🙄

    Um. It’s September. We always get heat waves in September. Always. And desert winds. And fires.

    There are few things as predictable as that in Los Angeles.

    (But the fact that there’s snow this week in Colorado, well, that’s ALSO global warming.)

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  24. Thank you for all of the nice Birthday wishes. The best surprise walked in at twelve thirty this morning. Husband used his frequent flyer miles to grab a flight over for the weekend. He has to head back tomorrow and it was a silly waste of time but wonderful show of love and I am delighted.

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  27. Mumsee, that is wonderful!

    Donna, 0% doesn’t always mean 0%. In our immediate area, often high chances of storms dissipate to nothing by the time they reach us. But in the last week, we’ve had several short rains on 0% chance. The sky will be filled with dark gray clouds and I’ll wonder where the 0% chance from, and next thing I know we’re getting raindrops against the window.

    The most noteworthy instance of that was last year on our anniversary trip, though. Returning we were planning to stop by a state park we hadn’t seen yet, but that was on our way, about 20 miles away from our hotel. My husband checked the weather, and it said 0% chance of precipitation. So we ignored the steady light mist on our windshield, figuring that somehow there must not be any precipitation 20 miles away. The mist turned to light rain, and then to medium rain. We kept watching for it to stop and kept joking about our 0% chance. About two miles from where we would have to turn in to the park, the too-heavy-to-enjoy-a-walk rain turned to snow. This was late October, not yet a time when snow is likely in Indiana. By that time we had given up anyway, but the snow was like the last little twist in the plot line of a story. We ended up going to a different state park, beyond the rain, and there we got some good views of bald eagles and of a pair of twin fawns. But that 0% precipitation has become a joke.

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  28. cheryl, that’s the midwest for you, though. Out here 0 always means 0. 😦 😦 😦 Until the “chance” number rises above 50%, rain is still rather unlikely for us.

    We just don’t get those sudden storm bursts (and we almost never get any summer rain at all, even in non-drought years). Our rainy season mostly is from Jan – April, though we usually get some good downpours in the Nov-Dec if we’re lucky.

    Let’s hope we get some more rain this year, we are stuck in a 3-year drought and are beginning to feel it. 😦

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  32. The band, Cadillac Sky, wrote a good song about how you can’t trust the weatherman. We always bring it up when the weather is not as predicted. Predicted in the main word. No weatherman can do more than that.

    Happy birthday, Mumsee. Sometimes the best gifts are the wasteful, foolish ones. 🙂

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  36. Those pop-up wetlands are cool. We have an area near us where trees have died and the creek is effectively turning the acreage back to swamp. I’ve had my hubby drop me off at least three times (it’s on a fairly busy road and you can’t just drive there and park), and I’ve taken photos. So far I have photographed great egrets (up to eight at a time, though I have seen more than that as we’ve driven by), green heron and blue heron, belted kingfisher, a couple kinds of ducks (unidentified), killdeer, and a bird I haven’t identified that might be a lesser yellowlegs (I thought it was a killdeer when I photographed it, or I would have taken more care and gotten more photos), red-winged blackbird, and red-headed woodpecker, as well as a dove (not a waterbird, of course) and a frog.

    I don’t remember whether the photo of two egrets got posted yet; if it did, it’s from that area.

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  37. This is one of the rare Saturdays when R actually has taken F for the day, as per the custody agreement.

    That’s because R has plenty of time on his hands, since he quit his latest job. I’ve lost count of how many jobs he’s quit. This one only lasted about a month. *Sigh*

    There goes the child support. E hasn’t even gotten one check yet, & it’s highly unlikely she will.

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  38. I got a twofer today. I was taking one which was waaaaay off on the other side of the pond (might be a kingfisher or at least that family). When I got home and looked at it enlarged, I noticed a second different bird a couple branches down that I didn’t even see. 🙂

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  39. Happy Birthday, Mumsee!!!

    Yesterday was my oldest’s fifteenth birthday. We are celebrating tonight by going to dinner at her favorite restaurant. Two of her oldest girlfriends are coming with us and will sleep over. They’ve been best friends since kindergarten, though they haven’t attended the same school since fourth grade. I love both girls–they’re easy to have around and genuinely good girls. Yesterday, Becca and I made her a strawberry cake.

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  40. Becca’s going to her first slumber party tonight. I think third grade is too young for slumber parties, but as I don’t have to host (ie: get no sleep), I don’t mind her going. But I won’t host them until fifth grade. She’s super excited!

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  47. Karen–just pray R won’t decide to go for custody again when E is working as a nurse, getting good pay and she has to pay R! I know someone with custody and who had his wife paying him a very nominal amount monthly. She ended up getting the children years later (by bribing them when they were old enough to have a say) and got 10 times a much a month from the other parent. Sadly, it can be a roller coaster for everyone involved. Document, document, document. If possible she should be paid through another source, rather than directly. It is all sad, of course.

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  49. Happy Birthday Mumsee, I received a letter today from a very talented artist and have been invited back to the Nest. 😉

    We spent about 4 hours today painting and cleaning the other house.

    I once heard Bill Monroe sing The Mule Skinner Blues at the Grand Ol Opry. I thought it would never end.

    Now to put my feet up and relax.

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  50. Question: has anyone seen “The Giver”? If so, is it a movie a man would like? I’ve read the book more than once, so I would have an advantage over my husband anyway (though I haven’t read it in several years), but if it’s something he would hate I’d rather not take him. But he has been talking about finding a movie to go to and I heard that one was playing, and a friend said her teen sons like it. But my husband is a long way from a teenager.

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  51. Cheryl, we have not seen that movie. Worldmag may have a review if you want to do a look/see.

    Donna, I just read your link from yesterday about the newspaper business. Sounds like they want to keep people feeling a steady earthquake brewing under the surface of the previously cracked foundation.

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  55. Happy Birthday, Mumsee.

    Iowa State beat Iowa. If South Carolina can keep scoring against Georgia, I may be sitting pretty again.

    Donna J, Thanks for noting Tychicus’ points.

    Here are some of my concerns about dispensationalism:
    1. It is only 200 years old. I don’t like newly-minted theology.
    2. I believe in the Second Coming, but not a Rapture and a second chance to convert during the Tribulation.
    3. I don’t believe we should identify modern Israel with ancient Israel to the point of believing Israelis don’t need to repent and turn to Jesus now.

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  58. Kathaleena – Emily is pretty diligent & careful to document everything that’s going on, especially since she doesn’t trust him.

    I know some of my fellow conservatives here are not going to like this, but…

    Emily is planning on applying for food stamps. At this point in time, we are having a hard time financially, so if she can get food stamps (for her groceries, not ours), that would relieve us of a bit of the financial strain.

    I only mention that to say that when a mom is on food stamps (or any state aid, I’d imagine) the state goes after the dad if he fails to keep up child support payments.

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  61. Karen, I think the key here is that E has not gone back to R or to some other man and had more children. She is in school, studying to be a nurse so that she can provide a better future for her son. If she needs assistance to accomplish that then she needs assistance and I don’t think any of us here would begrudge her receiving it. There was a time in my own life I asked for help and was turned down. BG and I never went hungry.
    You and Emily need to hold your head high and say to yourself this is a temporary solution to a temporary problem. Everyone needs a little encouragement now and then.
    Now, if I fly up to your neck o the woods and I catch E buying filet mignon and fine wine and getting into a brand new SUV I might change my mind, but somehow I doubt that is the case.

    And remember, I tell all of you all of the time that I am the most judgemental person I know. 🙂

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  62. I came here to tell you that I just finished reading the first two chapters of N T Wright’s Surprised By Hope, It is going to be a challenge.
    If we don’t go straight to heaven when we die, where do we go?
    If we do go straight to heaven then what is meant by the resurrection of the dead?
    What does it mean ‘Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven’?
    What about cremation?
    Why do we believe as we do and what REALLY do we believe?

    You can see this is going to be difficult.

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  64. Kim – Is NT Wright saying we don’t go straight to Heaven when we die? I know there are some who say that, & there are references in the Bible to dead believers as those who “sleep”. I can see where some get the idea of “soul sleep”.

    Well, speaking of sleeping, that’s what I need to go do. Goodnight, y’all!

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  67. There was a significant amount of poverty in the small town in which I spent my formative years (8-16). Lots of kids received free or reduced price lunches. Many of my friends’ families were on some sort of government assistance, at least temporarily. I hope she is able to qualify and that it helps y’all make ends meet.

    My father always treated everyone with respect, regardless of their financial standing. He demonstrated through his actions that every person was a unique, beloved child of God. His father was a wealthy man (self-made), who was extremely rude to waiters or anyone he deemed “below him.” This embarrassed my father a lot. My dad has a very generous heart–I’m lucky to still have him around at 81.

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  69. The business of cremation is easy. Cremation just speeds up the process of what happens to every physical body. The spirit is no longer there. Same for some soldier who is blown apart. A sailor in a submarine that never resurfaces. etc. Or ,possibly an astronaut who never returns to earth.
    It’s all the same to God.

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  70. Good morning, Chas.

    L.’s sleepover went well. The girls had a ball together, as evidenced by lots of laughter and smiles. They went into the media room to watch The Vow after we had cake. I went to tell them goodnight at 11:30 and all three were sound asleep. They had the chairs reclined all the way back and were snuggled under blankets, so I just turned off the TV and left them. I cannot believe my miracle baby (I was told by an OB-GYN at sixteen that I wouldn’t be able to have children) is fifteen!!!

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  72. Last night was very warm, my house was still in the 80s when I went to bed so sleep was somewhat fitful, even with the fan running all night. I had to buy some cat food for Norma, the woman I take to church (we’d forgotten to stop at the store on our way home from the memorial yesterday), so I leashed the dogs up and took them to Petco, where it’s air-conditioned of course. 🙂

    After that, I rolled the Jeep windows down and we cruised along the ocean cliffs (not that you could see anything, it’s pitch black out there at night). Then we drove through the marina and looked at the pretty boats lit up … Helped cool us off, I think. I was going to get out and walk them but it was somewhat late by then and it seemed a little too dark and deserted. …

    And we’re in for another warm day today.

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  73. Donna, I know nothing about NT Wright so would you mind sharing what you know? I am always skeptical. This is a book the group decided on and I went along with it. It is to be a short study, taking a break from the 18 months we spent on Genesis.

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  77. Kim’s 9:31 yesterday”

    If we don’t go straight to heaven when we die, where do we go?

    We go to heaven to be with Jesus.
    After the resurrection, Jesus stayed on earth 40 days then ascended into heaven.
    Acts 1;9 “After he said these things, …. He wa taken up….”
    Acts 1:11: “…..this same Jesus, whichis taken up from you into heaven, shall co come in like manner…”
    Mark 12:27, Jesus said, “He is not the God of the dead, but the god of the living”
    In Phil. 1:23, Paul said, “For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, whichis far better….” etc. there is more but this should suffice.

    If we do go straight to heaven then what is meant by the resurrection of the dead?

    We have a spiritual body as well as a physical body. We are born of the Spirit of God
    John 3:6 “That which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit” and following.
    Rom. 8:10: And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.”
    Coll. 3:3: “For you are dead and your life is hid withChrist in God.”
    At the resurrcction, we will receive a glorified physical body. Best described in II Thess. 4:13f.
    1 John 3:2
    Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
    Phil. 3:20f: For our conversation is in heaven, from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even subdue all things unto himself.

    What does it mean ‘Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven’?
    God is ruler in heaven, no question about that. The other part is more difficult. We know that God is in control of everything. Yet it appears that Satan, the “prince of this world” had been given a certain amount of power which he uses for evil. It appears that much in this world occurs out of God’s will. I infer, from the temptation, that Satan had the power to give Jesus all the kingdoms he saw. But it would have been outside the Father’s will Not an easy subject.

    Why do we believe as we do and what REALLY do we believe?     This is a question everyonej has to answer for himself. I know why I believe everything I believe. It isn’t because I’ve heard it all my life, or my momma alwys said, etc.

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  78. Y’all have fun. I’m off to a funeral this afternoon.
    I would have liked to get into the questions on the Politics thread. Those about Israel, dispensationalism, etc. Those are two different issues and don’t necessarily have anything to do with each other. But I never got the chance.
    And then there was this football game.
    🙂

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  79. Janice. those of us who aren’t subscribers to Christianity Today can’t read very much of that article. I personally know there are problems with NT Wright, but the article isn’t fully accessible. Copyright won’t let you quote whole articles, but if there’s a particularly helpful paragraph from the second half, maybe you can quote that.

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  80. rw: The original main idea of dispensationalism, that the Bible teaches a unique place for Israel and that the promises to Israel are for Israel, and that God has promised a future kingdom to Israel, has been around far, far longer than 200 years.

    My wife and I have been reading through Jeremiah together, and when you read chapters 30-33 (and elsewhere in Scripture), it is clear that there is a new future for Israel, including the promise of a real kingdom. I don’t know how someone can say that the promises of the kingdom to Israel are fulfilled in the Church, or that the Church is the new Israel. Further, why would we assume that Israel would receive the promised curses of the OT, but not the promised blessings?

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  82. Tychicus, I would argue that the most distinctive feature of dispensationalism is the pre-Tribulation “rapture” of the church. That idea started in the 19th century.

    I would question your first paragraph although it is something I always assumed was true based on what I was taught growing up. Darby’s dispensationalism gave birth to Christian Zionism which in many respects preceded Jewish Zionism.

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  84. I’m not fully conversant on the issues surrounding NT Wright, but there have been long discussions and debates within our denomination about what’s called the “New perspectives on Paul” which I believe are based on his teachings about the nature of justification.

    Cheryl probably knows more.

    Much of what he teaches may be fine. But I’ve heard cautions about him so would simply proceed with some caution. One of our elders referred to him recently just in passing as something of “a fad, something like the ‘pet rock’ of the neo-reformed.”

    He is popular, a friend’s Missouri Synod Lutheran church also is using his materials in their Bible study right now.

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  85. So who won the Pigskin Picks? I’ll give you 3 guesses and the first two don’t count. Ricky Weaver is a three-peat and won with a better tie breaker score than his son TRW-AG. Details on the pigskin thread tomorrow.

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  86. Dispensationalism also allows for mid-trip rapture views, however. Either way, it presents the problem of Jesus returning, in effect, twice — once for a stand-alone rapture and a second time at the final judgement. That doesn’t seem to square with Scripture’s teaching on Christ’s second coming.

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  91. Ricky. Seminoles vs. Tigers. That should be a good one.

    Now, for the issue:
    The primary doctrine of dispensationalism is that God has dealt with mankind through various dispensations. The two books I still have on the subject are God’s Plan of the Ages by Louis T. Talbot and Compass and Chart by S.A. Tamblin.
    Dispensationalist like to use charts. The best descriptive chart I have is that by Tamblin.
    In it, he has seven separate dispensations: These are his explanations. It is not my assessment.
    The reign of Satan, that is from creation to re-creation. That is the age in which violence and chaos ruled the world. That is before God made it good.
    The reign of man. The period from re-creation to the fall. (We don’t know how long those two lasted, likely for eons.)
    The reign of freedom. The period from the fall to the flood.
    (There is an undefined period from the flood to the giving of the law in Tamblin’s chart. And I don’t have time to research his answer for this.)
    (Also, the “times of the Gentiles” proceeds at the Babylonian captivity and goes to the return of Christ.)
    The reign of law. This is generally from the flood to the crucifixion.
    The reign of Grace. From the crucifixion to the reign of terror (Antichrist) The Church of Philadelphia is raptured before the reign of terror.
    The reign of Terror. From the rapture of the Church of Philadelphis to the descent of Christ. (The great tribulation)
    The reign of Christ. This is the millennium and ends with the judgment.

    My comments now: There is a certain logic in this in that there appears to be a difference in the way God dealt with mankind. But I don’t agree with all the assumptions that arise from these premises.
    It doesn’t really matter how a person interprets these ages. We have only ours to worry about. However, the premise doesn’t stop there.
    Dispensationalism divides the Reign of Grace into sub dispensations described in the Book of Revelation where the seven churches are dispensations within the church age.
    The Church at Ephesus, for instance, is the first church which has done wonders until it lost its first love. And, (surprise) we are living in the last, Laodicean, age, the church that is lukewarm. He can make a good argument for that. David Wilkerson always refers to the Laodicean church when he mentions the church. A certain logic to that too.
    No real problem with any of that, except it affects the interpretation of Revelation.
    I believe that it leads to the false assumption that the church, that is, all Christians, will not go through the tribulation. That is, the church is raptured, and the rest of the world would go through the tribulation
    I’m not finished. But that is enough.
    I told you it was quite heavy. This has nothing to do with Israel, except that Dispensationalists believe they will turn to Christ during the tribulation.

    I had a friend in my church in Falls Church who was a dispensationalist. We had lots of interesting arguments. All in a friendly manner. I enjoyed the repartee.

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  93. Thank you for the comments. My associate priest and two other people were really excited about this study. I don’t know how the others feel. We really start discussing it tomorrow night. I have read the first two chapters. He offered up questions in these two chapters with promises to answer them in the following chapters. I am withholding my opinion until I go through the study but I don’t want to be swayed by the fact that one of my priests like him. I would rather form my own opinion. I appreciate those of you here who are presenting the other side of the argument.

    As many of you know I was traumatized by the tribulation, rapture, the mark of the beast, end times, and the Book of Revelation in Christian school so my education regarding those subjects is sorely lacking. I am ignorant because I was terrified and refused to study it. Now it seems I must.

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  95. Again, one of the better resources I’ve found on the church’s various end times views from Scripture:

    http://www.rose-publishing.com/Rose-Guide-To-End-Times-Prophecy-P822.aspx#.VBYQBEuQlBU

    And charts? They have charts. Lots of charts. 🙂 But it offers a good comparison of how various parts of scripture have been read to support different eschatological views (all falling within the bounds of orthodoxy).

    I’m not sure Scripture is ever as clear as we’d hope on this topic — we see through a glass darkly and, thus, often see it differently.

    But it is an interesting study — and anything in the Bible is worthy of our study.

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  96. Cheryl, my husband and I went to The Giver. His main comment was, “That was different.” He liked it, however. He just had no idea what it was going to be about. He is not a man who likes action movies, however, but those with good characters and a good story. He does like a large variety, although we seldom go to movies at the theater. He also likes movies that give you something to think about, rather than just be entertained. Not that there is anything wrong with being just entertained. Sometimes that is what you want. It is very difficult to judge what someone else will like, since we all have such different tastes.

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  97. Karen, your daughter is the kind of person for whom food stamps were made. We have needed help at various times. There is nothing wrong with that. Usually the contribution of the father will be questioned and they may check that out. I have no problem with giving anyone a hand up. I don’t think most people do. It is those who seem to take advantage and when our government seems to go overboard. When those working, working, working seem to be worse off than those who can, but don’t, it gets tiresome. Of course, that is a big discussion with lots of different points of view as to when that happens. Emily must do what is best for her and her child.

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  98. Re: Study of Revelation. It may be a difficult study, but any teacher who makes you afraid has done a poor job. It may be difficult, but <b?WE WIN
    Rev. 19: 11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
    KING OF KINGS AND
    LORD OF LORDS.

    I have just finished teaching chapters 7-12 of Daniel. It was just a cursory study, but the first time I have ever taught that part of Daniel. That, and the activities in the Middle East make me think that we are close to the end.
    I recommend reading God’s War on Terror, a book suggested by JoeB, (whom we know as DrivesGuy).

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  99. We believe we’re in the 1000 years right now, and that there will be no rapture. I agree with you, Chas, that the events in the Middle East lead me, also, to believe we are close to the end.

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  102. But, Mr. Lindsey frightened me into the Kingdom of God, so there’s that. I don’t agree with almost anything in that book today, but as a sixteen year old introduced to Jesus as a personal savior for the first time, I needed God to use it for good.

    Which he, of course, did. 🙂

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  104. I saw 95 comments and I thought wow what got that thread going? Happy birthday mumsee. But as I quickly scrolled through on my cell I seemed to have arbitrarily liked comments. My apologies. Then again I actually agreed with some of those comments – yes take food stamps and yes sometimes a parent manipulates children for the support payments. But I really have no opinion on Revelation. And now I will be vastly amused if I’m the 100th comment.

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  106. Janice – It’s not really an advertisement, I don’t think. It’s just that they have some articles that can be read by non-subscribers, & some that can’t.

    I get a daily email from CT listing various articles. I usually bookmark the ones I’m interested in, to read at a later time. I’ve noticed that sometimes they are only available to read for a few days, then switch to subscriber-only.

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  107. Mumsee’s thank you yesterday at 11:52 a.m. has so many “Like”s that they don’t all fit in one box — you have to click on an arrow to show the extra names/avatars that don’t appear in the first box. 🙂

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  108. We have friends who are so very conservative, they would not approve of Emily applying for food stamps.

    They have a two-year old daughter with Down Syndrome, who has serious health issues, & has had heart surgery as well as one or two other surgeries. Her medical costs have topped a million dollars. They are eligible for Social Security (Disability, I think) for her, but refuse to take advantage of it, & kind of boast about that, & make it plain that they think no one should take any government help.

    BUT…they have had excellent insurance that has covered most of their daughter’s medical expenses, & they make fairly good money. I can’t help but wonder what they would have to say if they didn’t have that insurance, & weren’t making good money.

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  109. Good for them if they do not need it, Karen. Perhaps they (or their child) may need it someday. None of us know the future. If not, that is wonderful. However, love does not boast (1Cor 13). We all need to remember that!

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  110. This would be funny if it weren’t actually pretty sad. (Not upset about this, just sharing to illustrate how blind the willfully blind can be.)

    My prime objective when I first started engaging with my young liberal Christian friend (YF) on Facebook was to keep bringing her back to what the Bible actually says. I did get off-track for a while, but am back on-track, commenting infrequently. (Remember, she considers herself a devout Christian, & says she does believe in the Bible.)

    There have been maybe three times over the past year or so, after she has brought up the subject of gay marriage in a Christian context, that I have quoted Matthew 19:4-6…

    And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

    There’s no getting around the fact that Jesus Himself said He created us male & female, & that marriage is between a (male) husband & a (female) wife. YF has never replied to my quoting this, even though she tends to reply – often in great length – to almost everything. That tells me that she has no reply, & she knows it. It must vex her heart.

    So, this last time, after we had been discussing something a little bit, she said, “But it’s true that Jesus had literally nothing to say on the subject of gay marriage.”

    I kind of wanted to say, “How can you be so obtuse?” But that wouldn’t be helpful for open discussion, now would it? 🙂

    So I merely replied, that “Jesus may not have said anything specifically about *gay marriage*, but He did spell out what *marriage* is…” & again quoted Matthew 19:4-6. Again, no reply.

    Praying that God’s word would finally permeate her heart/spirit, & help her to see the truth about this matter, as well as the Truth about Who Jesus really Is. (And of course, praying that for my girls as well, & for YF’s sister.)

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  111. Kathaleena – Yes, it is wonderful that they have the means to avoid needing available state help, but not so great that they think no one else, regardless of circumstances, should avail themselves of it, either. They both seem to have a bit of a judgmental streak in them, sadly.

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  112. michelle, I also know a couple people who attended Lindsey’s church (Telesti? which was in our area, I don’t think it’s still around now?).

    These individuals have long since moved on in their faith & no longer embrace that particular form of eschatology. But they do note that initial interest in it was what drew their interest to the things of God in the beginning.

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