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Our Daily Thread 8-9-14

Good Morning!

The weekend has arrived! 🙂

On this day in 1678 American Indians sold the Bronx to Jonas Bronck for 400 beads. 

In 1790 the Columbia returned to Boston Harbor after a three-year voyage. It was the first ship to carry the American flag around the world.

In 1831 the first steam locomotive began its first trip between Schenectady and Albany, NY. 

In 1945 the U.S. dropped an atomic bomb on Nagasaki. The bombing came three days after the bombing of Hiroshima. About 74,000 people were killed. Japan surrendered August 14. 

And in 1974 President Richard Nixon formally resigned.

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Quote of the Day

“The future is as bright as the promises of God.”

Adoniram Judson

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Today is Reynaldo Hahn’s birthday.

 Today is also Marinus Gerritsen’s.

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Anyone have a QoD?

59 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 8-9-14”

  3. Very thought-provoking article I read today. (Today being Friday, not Saturday. Ahem, AJ. 😉 )

    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2014/08/ask_andrew_wk_right_wing_dad.php

    “So we must protect and respect each other, no matter how hard it feels. No matter how wrong someone else may seem to us, they are still human. No matter how bad someone may appear, they are truly no worse than us. Our beliefs and behavior don’t make us fundamentally better than others, no matter how satisfying it is to believe otherwise. We must be tireless in our efforts to see things from the point of view we most disagree with. We must make endless efforts to try and understand the people we least relate to. And we must at all times force ourselves to love the people we dislike the most. Not because it’s nice or because they deserve it, but because our own sanity and survival depends on it. And if we do find ourselves pushed into a corner where we must kill others in order to survive, we must fully accept that we are killing people just as fully human as ourselves, and not some evil abstract creatures.”

    (Language warning in the title and opening paragraph.)

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  4. In the “it’s a small world” department, I finally confirmed that the second missionary with Ebola, Nancy Writebol, is someone I know. Now, she wouldn’t say she knows me, but I am (or was) on her mailing list, and she and/or her husband spoke to my Sunday school class at a previous church at least once. Ever since I heard her name, it has gone through my head, “I know a missionary by that last name.” When I found her husband’s name, that made me doubly sure I “knew” them.

    It brings it home a bit more. Since we had more than one missionary speak to the church, which one was her and which one was someone else runs together in my mind, but I’m 97% sure I was on her mailing list at least up till the point we married and she changed missions organizations, but I am not sure I still am. I may have bought something from her, but I’m not sure.

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  5. It is Saturday here. So glad that Aj is finally bringing you all to my time zone.
    Off to school for some work and….
    They are going to have a party for the Quints second birthday at school today!!!!!

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  6. It is after twelve, so I am posting this on the right day.

    Cheryl, about your post yesterday on missions according to the Bible – I would have to disagree with the assertion that the modern concept of missions is not scriptural. Our idea of missions is very much modeled on the ministries, not only of the apostle Paul, but also others like Silas, John Mark, Barnabas, Apollos, Philip the evangelist, and Luke. Paul had a sending church – my commissioning service from my sending church was modeled on the description of how the Antioch elders selected and sent out Paul and Barnabas on their first journey (Acts 13:1-3).

    Paul made a point of traveling to places where the Gospel had not yet been preached (Romans 15:20). The continued effort to send out specially selected men (and occasionally women) continued after the age of the apostles. Patrick writes of his calling to be a missionary to Ireland, the country where he had previously been a slave. The Irish church in turn, sent out missionaries to Scotland. The venerable Bede, writing in the mid-700s, recounts the mission efforts of the English church, telling the story of the martyrdom of the first missionaries to the tribes living in what is now the Netherlands.

    As the European church became corrupted, much of that missionary zeal was lost (though not totally) but it revived not long after the upheaval of the Reformation. Carey traveled to India, a country that once had a church, but that church had dwindled to little more than a cult. Adoniram Judson’s pioneer efforts in Burma still bear fruit today – I know a Burmese Christian family who were refugees, who are seeking to plant a church in Northern Canada. It may be, that more missionaries will have to be sent to places like Mosul after a time, to replace the witness that has been lost.

    That this effort to reach the unreached is distinct from other roles in the church and due to a calling is quite evident from the writings of Luke and Paul; like the incident where Paul tried to enter Asia, but “the Spirit prevented him” and he then dreams of the Macedonian man’s plea for help. Romans 10:13-15 has always been a clarion call for missionaries:
    “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!”

    It has also been widely recognized that going into “the uttermost parts of the earth”, does sometimes requires the support, not only of prayer, but also of finances. Paul did use his tentmaking skills in Corinth (Acts 18:3), but many other times, he depended upon the support of other established churches and Christians (Philippians 4:16). The use of other skills in missions besides preaching the Gospel, especially medicine, is inspired not only by Luke, but also by the fact that Christ ministered to the physical needs of his listeners as well as to their spiritual – that the necessity for such ministrations continued is evidenced by the fact that the apostles and early Christians continued that ministry of healing.

    This is not to say that missionaries (the term comes from the medieval Latin mission: ‘sending’; thus a synonym of the Greek apostello: ‘sent’ as found in Romans 10:15) are somehow set apart and special. Paul did not seem to consider himself more worthy of honour – in fact he basically stated he had no choice but to obey his calling, “Yea, woe is me if I preach not the Gospel” (I Corinthians 9:16). We all have the responsibility to be salt and light, but some have to travel further.

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  12. Matthew 28:18-20
    Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    This is the verse that Disciple Bible Study uses to instill that we are ALL disciples. I have clearly stated that I am glad is was not called to be a “mission ‘ary as was her eldest brother Dan as was et up by cannibals that lived on Ceylon’s isle” (sorry it popped into my head and I typed it)
    I do truly believe that we, as Christians my be the only bible some people read. There have been times in my life that I drifted a little away from the church. There have been times when I have struggled to keep my faith. It seems that someone always showed up in my life during those times. One was a lady I worked with named Bobby.
    Bobby was a lady in every sense of the word. She glowed. She was well dressed, happily married, she was just happy and content with her life. I watched her day after day at work. We became friends and I decided that whatever it was that she had I wanted it for myself. “It” was her strong faith in God and her involvement with her church.
    She had had cancer at 28, as a result she was never able to have children. This was at the time I was trying to have BG. She explained to me there were lots of ways for a woman to “mother”. She was the right person in my life at the right time. That’s is all some of us are called to be, but it is still a mission/discipleship.
    I would love someone to one day say, “I don’t know what Kim has, but I want it”. Probably not going to happen. 😉

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  13. I’ve been awake for awhile, but not online. Husband left for the office before 5:00 a.m. because the office lost power at a critical time yesterday when he was preparing to meet with clients today. He was very frustrated last night. He has not managed to take a decent break from work this whole year.

    Roscuro, you would make a great teacher of the word. You expressed those thoughts so clearly, logically, and accurately.

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  14. I’m arriving late to this discussions of missions. But to summarize.
    It is scriptural. As Roscuro points out. Paul, Barnabas, Apollos, etc. The first controversy in the early church was concerning missions to the gentiles. (i.e. Whether the Gentiles had to become Jews before they could be Christian.) They voted to do it.
    OTOH, the word of God was spread by Christians being Christian wherever they went. “They were called Christians first at Antioch.”

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  15. I am reading the book, Radically Normal, by Josh Kelley, for review purposes. I have only read four chapters. He has concluded that people have put such a focus on the Great Commission that those who don’t become foreign missionaries or pastors, etc. Often end up feeling guilty. He talks of the two tiers view of Christianity in his book and how for awhile he was caught up in attaining top tier status. Now he looks at things differently. He believes people need to consider the Old Testament writings in Genesis to be the first Great Commission where God gave work for people to do. The New Testament therefore gives the second Great Commission. So some stay and some go and it is equalizer as far as importance to Kingdom work. To quote from the back cover copy, “Discover the deep and lasting joy of radical obedience to Christ in your normal everyday life.”

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  16. Kim, Misten didn’t discover she could comes to my side of the bed and wake me up . . . because I didn’t let her. When she slept in my room when I was single, she would sometimes come over and stare at me. I kept my eyes closed. If she touched me or anything of the sort, I made her lie down. She learned that she was to “leave me alone” until I opened my eyes and looked at her. At that point she was free to lay her chin on my mattress, look me in the eye (I had a high bed and she was about eye level with me), and I’d pet her and sweet talk her. But if she tried any of that stuff before I initiated contact, she was either ignored by me “playing possum” or she was told to lie down.

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  17. Roscuro, I don’t really disagree with anything you have said. You may or may not recall my parents met on the mission field. I have nieces and nephews preparing to serve as missionaries, and a daughter who might (or might not . . . she isn’t exactly sure what she’ll do, but will probably end up in another country somehow working with the poor, but it may or may not be through a missions organization).

    My question was not at all with the need for missions or the need to pay people who are going to a place where people cannot pay themselves.

    I was dealing more with what Janice addressed at 8:58. I think the distinction of “this person is a missionary/ that person is not” is somewhat arbitrary and I don’t think a biblical distinction. Is it “missions” if one stays in Jerusalem? if one is working with unreached peoples there? How about if a person moves to the next town? Or how about if a person is working in a specific field, say construction work, and is told construction workers are needed by missionaries in an African village? (In other words, he won’t be doing evangelism unless by happenstance, because he won’t necessarily even speak the language of those in the culture, nor will he be working with them.) If a husband and wife go to another land with their children and she stays home with the children and homeschools them, is she a missionary or a missionary’s wife?

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  18. Janice- The OT model is a good example. I think of when David and his men went to rescue their families who had been taken by Amalekites (or whatever people it was). Some of them were too tried to go on so they stayed with the baggage while the rest went on to fight. When it came time to divide the spoils David established the rule that those who stayed with the baggage got a part of it as well. I think it is Paul Washer, founder of HeartCry Missionary Society, who says Christians should all be involved in missions, either in the field or supporting those in the field by giving and/or praying.

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  19. Cheryl, I think that the case in Acts 13 does imply there is a distinction between the those who were sent, Paul and Barnabas, and those who supported them. It is not a difference of importance, but of calling. Janice, I agree with Peter’s example of David’s decision to divide the spoil between those who fought and those who stayed and guarded the baggage. Kim, I also agree that wherever we are, we are to be a testimony. However, the church has always selected and commissioned certain people to send. Some people seem to be called to lifelong missions – Paul is a case in point – while others only do it for a season of their lives.

    As to your specific examples, Cheryl: yes, a missionary could stay in Jerusalem – Paul talked in Galatians about how Peter was sent to the Jews. The same with someone who moves to the next town, if the church has commissioned him to start a work there. The construction worker who goes to Africa to build structures for an established team may need to receive church support in order to fund the trip, so he too could be commissioned (and ,in any case, he will need the spiritual support of his church) – Epaphroditus was selected by the Philippian church to help Paul. In the case of a wife caring for her family while her husband works on the mission, I can answer from my own observation: my mission agency emphasized the need for both the husband and wife to be called and commission by their home church. The wife may just take care of the home and children (although my teammates who were wives and mothers also actively engaged in mission activities) but her work is vital to her family staying in the field.

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  21. But obviously the real “dividing line” isn’t between going and staying home. If I move to Ecuador to study birds, that does not make me a missionary while Mumsee with her 52 children is “just” a housewife because she doesn’t go anywhere.

    Paul was an apostle and Paul was an evangelist. It was as evangelist, not as “missionary,” that he was sent. Even when he was “home,” he was still an evangelist, commissioned by the church. We do recognize an occupation of evangelist today, but usually it’s someone within the US (though some who travel elsewhere, such as Ravi Zacharias, also use the word evangelist). We have basically used the word “missionary” for someone who moves to a foreign country and stays in the same location for several years. But that isn’t what Paul did; he was a traveling evangelist, preaching and planting churches in various regions.

    The word “missionary” has come to incorporate a lot broader range of people than evangelists and church planters . . . but when it does, the distinction between missionary / non-missionary is arbitrary.

    There’s a very real need for medical personnel in poor communities around the globe, and for carpenters, for literacy teachers, and for people with farm know-how, etc. There are needs in Nigeria and there are needs in Appalachia. But whether those meeting those needs are missionaries or simply faithful Christians is what is arbitrary.

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  22. BTW, the comment about “is she a missionary or a missionary’s wife” is because there has been such changing terminology in my lifetime. Forty years ago I think she would have been called the missionary’s wife if she wasn’t actively involved in the ministry; today she’d be called a missionary too. That too is arbitrary: we rightly see a distinction between pastors and pastors’ wives and a man might be an evangelist without his wife having exactly the same calling. So I don’t think it needs to be an insult if she is called the missionary’s wife. But we’ve broadened the definition of missionary enough that we’ve begun to see it as an insult to call her a missionary’s wife and not a missionary in her own right. If we instead called people by what they did–evangelist, church planter, doctor, etc.–what we called her might be less awkward.

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  23. I think of the “missionary wife” as a missionary because she interacts with people in the culture and hopes to draw them to Christ, too. She went with the intent of affecting another culture for Christ. If she stayed back home, off the field, she would be a missionary’s wife. Or if she went but never engaged with anyone outside the home. IMHO

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  25. Tess only comes to the side of my bed to wake me up in the night when she or Cowboy have to go out. And I appreciate that, believe me. 🙂 It doesn’t happen often, but I love that she does this.

    I ignored it the first time, I thought she was being a pest. Lots of cleanup of the kitchen floor in the morning.

    Otherwise, my dogs prefer to sleep in the living room or other areas of the house, although sometimes Cowboy spends part of the night sleeping on a dog bed next to my bed on the floor.

    The cat sleeps where she wants, when she wants. There’s no controlling her really. But she’s little and not much bother.

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  27. Janice, the pastor’s wife should also interact with the people in the church, and in a way that other women in the church might not. But she is still a pastor’s wife, not a pastor. (Some Pentecostal churches see both as pastors, but I’d disagree with that biblically.) Her role is different. I would think that for a mother with several young children, it might be enough to be the missionary’s wife, without feeling a burden to be a missionary alongside him. It would depend on the situation. But I wouldn’t think it would be an insult if she isn’t called a missionary too, if you see it as similar to a pastor and his wife–the wife’s role is first to support her husband and family, and secondly to other people and other tasks. That’s true for all wives, missionary or not!

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  30. I don’t know what my dogs do in the morning before I wake up. Or the cats. Or the chickens. Or the horses. Or the cows. Or the goats. Or the pigs. Or the guineas. Or the turkeys. Sometimes the mice can be a bit annoying however.

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  31. Yesterday, the real told us we would see a pic of an eagle or a hawk today, it was too far away for him to discern. The real? That is appearing to me to be a butterfly. Note the uplifted wings. The antenna are too obscure to see if they are feathered or not. But it appears to be a butterfly. A lepidoptera of sorts. I am fairly certain that does not include eagles or hawks. I have been wrong before though, so talk with somebody a bit more learned before you take my word for it.

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  33. So I walk inside to take a cool off break, get another glass of water, and check in with you and what to my surprise is on National Geographic Wild???? Snakehead fish. There are nearly 30 species of snakehead fish in South East Asia. The have both gills and rudimentary lungs. They twist their way across land much like a snake. YUCK

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  36. Any of you who homeschool (or teach school-age children), would you and/or your children be willing to help out on a project I’m working on? If anyone in your family has an interest in birds, it might be especially interesting for them. If so, could you e-mail me? Any of my e-mail addresses will do, or if you don’t know any, then I’ll tell you how to get hold of me. I’m not asking for a big time commitment.

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  39. Heidi sleeps on the bed with us, snuggling up with one or the other of us. We like it that way. There’s something comforting about feeling her body pressed against my leg.

    It seems that Rudy, our younger cat, is a dog-in-training.
    He samples the dog food every now & then, & likes to drink out of Heidi’s water bowl (cat stuff & dog stuff are in two different rooms).
    When I am getting Heidi’s food to put her pill in, he wants some, too.
    Heidi often sleeps between my lower legs. Rudy started doing that, too, sometimes.
    Heidi has taken to lying under my desk while I am on the computer. Rudy started doing that every now & then, too. (Not both at the same time, though.)

    Talk about a copy cat! 🙂

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  40. Karen, Tim likes having Keva sleep on the bed with his legs or chin over Tim’s legs. He says he sleeps better. I just get shoved to the edge of the bed 🙂

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  42. My pet rock just sits on the bookshelf. He’s happy there. I have never put sunscreen on him nor me. I can’t remember ever using sunscreen. I never expose any part of me, but arms and face, to the sun longer than an hour at a time.
    🙂
    Now. Don’t bother me, I’m busy.

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  43. Well, we know that Chas is up and at em. Enjoy your day of rest everyone. I took a very long nap today. Need some rest before my work week begins.

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  46. Hi Mumsee. I would have said “hi” back, but I was in church at 9:06 and we’re supposed to be quiet in church. Except to say, “amen”. That’s allowed. A thing came up this morning about Daniel, Ch. 4. Is there another gentile in the OT who is converted except Nebuchadnezzar?
    Presumably some of those in Nineveh. Ruth was a Moabite. But his is the only conversion I can think of.

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  47. What makes you so oppositional Mumsee?
    Amos had an “episode” yesterday. I was in the bathroom cleaning and he followed me in. He crouched in a corner and started shaking. He had a “help me” look in in his eyes. I picked him up and held him. We went into the living room and sat on the sofa for about 10 minutes before he stopped shaking. Then he calmed down and stayed in my lap for a little longer. I guess I will call the vet next week.

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  48. Kim – When I was a kid, we had a great dog named Boots, who was half-collie & half-German Shepherd. Boots had epilepsy, & when he had a seizure, he would stiffen up, with his back kind of arched, & his body would shake. His eyes would have that look you mentioned.

    The good news is that it was treatable, with the same medicine that human epileptics take.

    But I hope Amos will be okay, & I’ll say a prayer for the little guy, & for you.

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  49. We also had a terrier mix that had epilepsy although I’m not sure we had him exactly diagnosed (the test was expensive as I recall and the vet was pretty sure that’s what it was).

    He’d have seizures and my mom (and later I) would just sit next to him and keep him (and everything around him) quiet until it passed. Otherwise he was fine and lived to a pretty old age (17) and the seizers became less frequent with the years (although they kicked back in during his last few weeks of life).

    I’ll be praying for Amos, that whatever is going on can be “fixed” or at least managed with medication.

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  50. Kim,

    Tried frogs, no snakeheads…… 😦

    But I did catch others, bass, and some crappies.

    Mumsee,

    Turns out they are large ospreys.I downloaded them to the laptop but they we’re taken at dusk and are not that great. But, I went back the next morning and found 2 in the nest. 🙂 Those are better pics, but they’re downloading now, so I’ll post some tomorrow. 🙂

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  51. Chas, I would say Ruth was converted, as she said, “Your God shall be my God.” There was Rahab too, the widow of Zarephath (who fed Elijah) (I Kings 17:24), and Naaman, the Syrian general (II Kings 5:17-19). Darius seemed pretty convinced by Daniel’s stay in the lion’s den. Then there is all the Gentiles whose conversion is not recorded but who worshipped the true God, like Melchisedec, the mysterious priest and king of the Jebusite city of Salem (The last king of the Jebusites, Araunah, who sold David the land for the temple, also seemed to know God). Jethro, priest of Midian and father-in-law to Moses, is spoken of as one who knew God. His son Hobab remained with the Israelites during their journey (Numbers 10:29-32) and his descendants repeatedly aided Israel, like: Jael, who killed Sisera for Barack and Deborah (Judges 4:11, 17); Jonadab the son of Rechab, who helped Jehu overturn Ahab’s dynasty (II Kings 10:15,16 & I Chronicles 2:55); and his family the Recahbites, who were blessed by Jeremiah (Jeremiah 35). Job does not seem to have been of Jewish descent – I have read more than one opinion that he lived before the time of Abraham, so that brings us to all the people before Abraham who knew God, like Enoch, Noah and Abel.

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  53. We had a sermon from Ezekiel today (33:1-9) about callings and responsibilities, the watchmen who are over us (in government and church). It makes one especially shudder to think of the many churches and denominations that have been led astray by those “watchmen” in the pulpit.

    We also made it a point today to include in our corporate prayer those Christians who are under persecution in Iraq.

    Some are posting new ‘profile’ pictures on social media to bring attention to the cause:

    http://www.christiantoday.com/article/wearen.thousands.unite.to.support.persecuted.christians.in.iraq/39026.htm

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  55. Reading Ezekiel this morning and God’s judgment poured out. The only reassurance was that beforehand God marked those who were sighing over the evil and they were not touched.

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  56. This was another day when our pastor’s sermon seemed to miraculously align with our Sunday school lesson. Pastor was teaching from Luke and in Sunday school we were studying about David’s sin and did a craft with a wooden heart with the verse, “Create in me a clean heart, O God…” Pastor’s sermon was on Four Hearts: the heart of Simon the Pharisee; the heart of the sinful lady who washed the feet of Jesus with her tears; the heart of Jesus; and, our heart. I love it when the children hear our lesson reinforced by what the pastor says in the service. What a nice gift to the teachers and students. Also, today the teachers got recognized during the service since it was promotion Sunday. 🙂

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  57. Bosley seems to migrate around to various sleeping spots. When she was our new kitten she liked to sleep like a fur collar near my neck. Now she has her moments of getting into sleep mode by kneading my neck with her claws. That does not last long because it is disturbing to me. I can put my hand over her paws, and she stops the kneading. She can go to sleep for a bit with me. I hear her purrs settle down and finally stop. Later she will walk over the covers and try to find her trench bed which is on top of the covers on my legs. Then she will later find a cardboard lid that she likes to sleep in because it is more settled than a trench bed that sometimes flips her out without warning. She also might sleep in one of her chair beds or in a real cat bed on the dresser which is her preferred winter bed. The cardboard lid bed is her preferred summer dreams sleep bed.

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  58. Janice – Don’t you love hearing her purring as she settles down to go to sleep? With Heidi in the bed, Angel (who was a crazy kitten like Bosley, but is now a scaredy-cat) very rarely comes on the bed anymore. She is a great purrer. I can hear her even without my hearing aids. 🙂

    Rudy doesn’t mind being around Heidi, but he doesn’t come up until the early morning hours, & not every night.

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  59. On the News/Politics thread, I mentioned my young liberal friend, whom I’ve called YF in the past.

    Recently, she was replying to a question of mine, about what a certain ambiguous quote she’d shared meant to her. She wrote a long screed about how we (people in general) shouldn’t still be debating if gays or minorities or women deserve rights, & so on & so on. As I was reading it, I was wondering “Where did all this come from?” My question was a friendly one, & I hadn’t written anything argumentative.

    In the midst of her screed, she wrote, “Talk to your daughters and friends and church and seethe at the idea of everyone who feels different than you if it helps you sleep at night…”

    Now, would you consider that aimed at me personally, or a general statement? It certainly sounds like it was aimed at me, with the mention of daughters & church. I carefully asked about that, saying it sounded like it is directed at me, since I have daughters, & I go to church.

    She replied that is was a general comment, not aimed at me personally (uh huh), & wrote something that seemed to imply that I take things too personally. (Cover one offense with another offense.) I chose not to get defensive about that. That kind of thing is her m.o.

    The not-really-funny thing is that she is the one who seems to “seethe” about people thinking differently than her. She often prefaces a post on Facebook with something like “No one can agree with this [the Hobby Lobby ruling] & still consider themselves a decent person.” That’s just one example.

    Why do I still read her stuff (& comment, albeit infrequently)? It’s like watching a train wreck. I know I should look away, but I can’t. 🙂

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