Our Daily Thread 8-26-13

Good Morning!

On this day in 1873 the school board of St. Louis, MO, authorized the first U.S. public kindergarten.

In 1920 the 19th amendment to the U.S. Constitution went into effect. The amendment prohibited discrimination on the basis of sex in the voting booth.

In 1939 the first televised major league baseball games were shown. The event was a double-header between the Cincinnati Reds and the Brooklyn Dodgers.

In 1945 the Japanese were given surrender instructions on the U.S. battleship Missouri at the end of World War II.

And in 1957 the first Edsel made by the Ford Motor Company rolled out.

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Quote of the Day

“Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time.”

Thomas A. Edison

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I heard this on piano at church yesterday before the sermon.

In 1970 Duane Allman joined Eric Clapton and began recording with Derek and the Dominoes. This was one of the songs they recorded.

This one is for Kathy, my favorite Hippie, and my wife’s BFF. One of these young ladies is her daughter. 🙂

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Anyone have a QoD for us?

54 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 8-26-13

  1. oh, the 29th I have a granddaughter turning 4 and also a birthday in my class.
    A refreshing Monday as it was a holiday and I could meander over to my classroom in the afternoon to get ready for the week.

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  2. Good morning, Chas, Aj, and Jo. It’s slow around here this morning. Guess everyone’s scurrying around as it’s the first day of school for many. Becca is anxious this morning. I’ll be driving her (she usually takes the bus in the morning) today as well as taking older daughter and a “friend” to 8th grade. I can’t believe L. is in her last year of junior high. Where does the time go? L. turns 14 September 12. I was a complete mess at her age. It does my heart good to see how well-adjusted L. is, complete with a strong faith in God. I am so grateful to God for both of my girls. I know this isn’t the prayer thread, but I’m requesting prayers for a good first day for both of them.

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  3. Good morning, Chas, AJ, Jo and Ann (and anyone else who may sneak in a comment before I get done typing). 😉

    Really enjoyed the video of the two young singing and guitar-playing young ladies. Their voices blend so well together. And if I heard correctly, I think one of them might have the same name as one of my arrows. 🙂

    Today is my parents’ anniversary. Fifty-two years. Mom and Dad are ages 72 and 83. It’s a real blessing to have them still here with us, and in reasonably good health.

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  4. Today is Mr P’s Birthday. He posted some nonsense onFB about after about age 10 you shouldn’t celebrate your birthday, you should honor your mother on your birthday if she is still alive, blah, blah, blah.
    Do you think I should take his birthday gifts back?

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  5. Happy Birthday to Mr. P. I think you said recently, Kim, that he’s turning 50? There’s a nice tradition in my husband’s family that started when his oldest sibling turned 50. On or around the 50th birthday, each of the other seven siblings contribute a certain amount of money, I think it might be around $15 or so, and the birthday “boy” or “girl” 😉 gets a nice sum of cash, or maybe a little cash along with a specially-selected gift that would be of interest to the recipient.

    Five of the eight have already passed their 50th birthday. My husband was the third, and it was certainly wonderful when it was his turn turning fifty. Sixth Arrow was only a year old then, and it would be a few months before First Arrow would have a job, so receiving the cash gift was very nice for our family of eight at a time that we had only one income.

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  6. I see my grammar isn’t the greatest this morning. “each of the other seven siblings contribute” should read, “each of the other seven siblings contributes“, as in, “each contributes”. I got confused with the “s” at the end of “siblings”.

    Time for this homeschool mom to brush up on her grammar. 🙂

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  7. He opened his presents and liked them. His Baby Boy is supposed to come over today to spend time with him.
    I am at a class. I am taking a portion of it and teaching a portion of it.

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  8. 6 Arrows, when my mother was turning 75, my sister said, “When my husband turned 30, I gave his mother 30 roses and thanked her for raising such a wonderful son. She was absolutely delighted, and I think it was a turning point in my relationship with her. I’ve been thinking that Mom doesn’t need anything, but if we got her 75 roses for her birthday, she would absolutely love it.”

    I did some research and found a company that shipped roses at a good price, with good reviews, and had a huge selection of colors. I called each of my siblings (there are seven of us) and each agreed to chip in.

    My sister and I got on the phone and decided on colors–we chose a dozen pink, a dozen red, a dozen lavendar, a dozen white, a dozen that were two colors, and I think a dozen peach. We didn’t order any yellow since Mom didn’t like yellow roses.

    The funny thing is, when I called one brother, he said, “Roses? That’s an awful lot of money for roses, and it isn’t a very practical gift. Don’t you think CDs or something might be better?”

    I told him, “Trust us on this; it’s a girl thing.”

    One problem was that it was inexpensive to order a dozen roses, but single ones cost a lot–buying three cost more than buying a dozen. So we could buy six dozen, but what about the final three? My sister and I worked out a plan. The company didn’t ship on Sunday and thus they didn’t deliver on Monday, and Mom’s birthday was Monday. I called her house, hoping her husband would answer and she wouldn’t be on the other line. Sure enough, he answered the phone. “Pop, quick, I need to say something before Mom gets on the phone. Her birthday is Monday, and we’re sending her flowers, but they won’t get there till Tuesday. We need you to buy her three roses Monday. Can you do that?” He agreed.

    Each batch of roses had a card with “Happy birthday” and each of our seven names. The red and white ones came together, a selection of two dozen, and on that one we put, “You don’t look a day over 75!” (since she would be “a day over 75” when she got the flowers) and then happy birthday and love from all of us.

    Mom called Tuesday, laughing with delight. She said they hadn’t heard the doorbell when the boxes were delivered (and it isn’t really a good idea for boxes of roses to sit outside in May in Phoenix, but oh well), but we went outside and we found a stack of five boxes. We opened the first one and it had roses. We opened the second one and it had roses. I realized that the big box must have two dozen, and I figured out that six dozen plus three was 75. But C [her husband] was saying, “There must be some mistake. They must not have meant to send this many roses. And why did they want me to get flowers too?”

    She called my sister and at least one brother, maybe all of us. And the brother who agreed to go along with whatever we decided, but thought roses weren’t very “practical”? He called me and said, “Mom called, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard her happier. She went on and on about those roses, and she said, ‘And there weren’t even any yellow ones, and that’s the only color I don’t like in roses. And they even included lavendar ones!'”

    It has to be “up there” on the list of best gifts I’ve ever given. I’m not sure I’d have done it if there had only been two of us (it really was quite expensive, quite extravagant), but dividing it among seven made it a lavish gift of love she cherished. (And the funny thing–I thought Mom had plenty of vases and we didn’t want to waste money adding vases to the cost, so I think we only included one . . . but she and her husband went to the dollar store and bought small trash cans to put them in. Trash cans?!)

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  9. LOVED your story, Cheryl, and got a good chuckle re: the trash cans. 🙂 What a great gift, and a real blessing for all of you, I’m sure, whether giving or receiving.

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  10. Cheryl, that’s a great story! I don’t like yellow roses either. 🙂

    Our friends arrived yesterday for supper and we spent the evening catching up and slicing apples for freezing. That chore went so much faster and was way more fun with the company.

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  11. Since most of you probably didn’t see it, Bob Buckles posted today on Rants & Raves, saying,

    “Hi Y’all,

    “I am sick, a cold I think. I will post more tomorrow morning. With pictures. No forest fires around here.”

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  12. On the topic of men and wardrobes 😉

    http://adam4d.com/addressing-a-problem-among-men-in-the-church/

    Cheryl, what a fun story, I would have thought that many roses would cost an absolute fortune!

    I’m off today, working a Tuesday-Saturday schedule this week (which kind of stinks since I’ll only get a 1-day weekend, Sunday, next weekend — unless I go ahead and take a random vacation day next Monday, which I’m actually thinking of doing!)

    No plans, just picking up around the house, but I’ll probably do some reading & take the dogs for a special walk on the fishing pier or cliffs, maybe will hit the dog park this afternoon as there are some Monday-only regulars I never really get to see anymore since I’m always working, of course.

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  13. Good Morning Everyone. I posted the manuscript along with the Power Point Presentation on Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth for yesterday’s Lesson I taught in Sunday School. I would welcome any comments everyone might have.

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  14. I love yellow roses! I took a number of photos of yellow roses when we were in Texas. They look like sunshine especially as it shines upon them. I love other roses, too. I wanted to go to the Rose Gardens in Tyler but we did not have time. They are suppose to be the world’s largest rose gardens. I was trying to imagine the fragrance of the area. I know many roses have little fragrance, but there are those roses that make up for that.

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  15. I used yellow roses in my wedding bouquet because my former roommate used them in her bouquet. I liked them so much when I saw her choice that I did not want any other. They were mixed in with some other light colored flowers.

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  16. I would think that inb ordering 6 dozen roses the company would have offered a “group rate”. Great story.

    Donna- I still don’t see what the problem of brown shoes with a black belt on khaki pants. Now if the pants are black, maybe there’s a problem. Mainly I think it is just an opinion problem. Black and brown mix okay in non-formal situations.

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  17. OK, just so you don’t wear a white belt and white shoes. 😮

    Rnning shoes and flip-flops are pretty standard dress at churches in SoCal, especially during the summer months.

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  18. Love the story Cheryl. I sent ex-husband’s mother 35 roses on his 35th birthday. She loved.
    I absolutely loathe RED roses. I think they are trite and over done. Any other color I am good with. If any of you remember Weekenderman he was the last person to send me roses. He send to miniature rose bushes. I managed to keep them alive for a while.
    My wedding bouquet was red and orange roses in a tight bouquet. They worked because it was Fall and the orange was such a blast of color against the red. Then some other stuff was worked in. Mr. P did it all himself with no input from me. They are dried now.

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  19. Thought you guys might get a kick out of this from Mr. P

    50th Self Evaluation:

    Exterior body- maybe the best outer shape in my life, including athletic years. So I’d say body of 20yo.

    Interior body- first surgeon to open up my right knee said I had the knees of an 80yo. Three knee operations including a replacement later…..
    Six back operations which three were fusions with recent one being total lumbar fusion…
    No real problems with main body organs…so pretty good.
    Mental- still clicking pretty well with minor memory lapses…mostly due to all the meds I take daily. Still view myself as being psychologically younger than age.
    Professionally/financially- comfortable with a very promising future
    Personal- have a great loving wife. Kids doing well, and a sweet grandson with more hopefully on the way.
    So…..summary…outer body of 20yo and inner body of 80yo averages to my age of 50. Life going great with lots of future happiness expected.

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  20. Drivesguy, I read through your post and I think you did a good job in covering a lot of material in a short time frame. I have never been one who does well with historical facts without much personal story behind each fact. And probably since I work with Children’s Sunday School, what I typically see is on such a different level than your material, that I do have trouble trying to comprehend so much information at one time. All the guys in my life, my husband, son and brother, all have a lot of interest in history. They probably have enough accumulated history stored up in their heads to connect better with your full presentation. I do believe the history is very important for understanding how everything converged for God to bring Christ to earth. Your subject matter is of great importance in recognizing how God went about bit by bit, moment by moment, working things out in His order because of His love for us and to bring glory to Himself. He most certainly uses bad happenings and bad people to make a good result.

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  21. Looks like Mr. P. has a good thing going. 😉
    I just got back from doing some Lions work. I sorta expected to hear KBells saying she found her card with her receipts.

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  22. Drivesguy, I have a question for you to consider if you don’t mind. I was going to ask one or more of the pastors at church but did not get around to it. Yesterday in our children’s S. S. class we were covering Acts 26 when Paul meets with King Agrippa. The three of us teachers in the class each had a different version of the Bible. I was using the NIV, another had the HCSB (what the children were using) and I am not sure of the third teacher’s version. In the part of the story where Agrippa asks Paul if he thinks he can be persuaded to be a Christian, the NIV and HCSB make it sound like it is a sarcastic type question. The other teacher got an entirely different take from her version which made her conclude that Agrippa may have been on the edge of becoming a believer based on Paul’s testimony. Of course the teacher’s discussion caused some wondering on the children’s level, too. What do you think about this? If anyone else has any thoughts I would be glad to hear your take.

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  23. We had an amazing storm last night. Started with husband and I sitting out on the porch watching a lightning storm with clear starry skies above. Two of the boys were sleeping out on the deck on the other side of the house. We went in and went to bed and a couple of hours later were awakened by continual flashes of light. I have seen quite a few storms but never one with such continual lightning. I don’t believe a second went by without another flash and it went on for at least forty minutes. Spectacular. Very little thunder but a lot of lightning, not in ground bolts though. We got a phone call today from the national weather service saying they had seen us get hit by an incredible storm and wondered if we had any damage. Nope. The boys thought it was kind of scary though.

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  24. Janice, I checked the original Koine Greek of the text. The tone that Agrippa is presenting to Paul would be one where he is like putting the matter aside or as we would shrug our shoulders. He is not being disrespectful or condescending or even harsh. The question he is posing is more rhetorical than anything else.

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  25. Good Monday everyone….
    I would like to ask your view on this statement of beliefs posted online for a local church. The statement “existed in three personalities” is bothersome to me…..three persons yes…but personalities….that just isn’t the same…..why would they phrase it this way? Have you all ever heard the trinity explained that way?

    God is Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has eternally existed in three personalities: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God. (Genesis 1:1, 26-27; Psalm 90:2; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14; 1 Peter 1:2)

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  26. Nancyjill, I may be overly simplistic but God does have three personalities. God the Father is our parent and disciplines us with love. God the Son is our “brother” who laid down His life for us, and God the Holy Spirit is a third personality of God and of whom I do not have a full grasp.
    God in three persons, blessed Trinity. There aren’t 3 separate intities hanging out in heaven.

    Cheryl, where are you? Please explain what I meant to say.

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  27. From my perspective, it seems the three distinct roles of the Trinity as Father, Son and Holy Spirit gives them the appearance of having personalities because of their interaction with us. I believe they each have the same personality which is not limited by their role. We are aware of such a small part of all God is. That is MHO.

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  28. Thank you, Drivesguy, for your help with my question. One of the children in class was asking about original languages and manuscripts/scrolls. We don’t usually go into things like that but it got complicated when the teachers were not using the same version of the Bible.

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  29. I agree with the idea of the Trinity being three persons, but not three personalities, & I like Kim’s explanation. As humans, we each have a personality, but different aspects of that personality come out in our roles as parents or siblings or spouses.

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  30. “My little guy”, as I refer to Forrest is home again. Unfortunately, he is sick! He has a pretty high fever, 103.something. He slept a lot this afternoon. Now he is awake, has taken his medicine (a fever reducer), & is sounding more chipper than he was before.

    I wish my girls had taken medicine as easily as he does. He just drinks it down, & doesn’t complain about the taste.

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  31. I was out sawing wood for the wood pile. Husband used the chainsaw to cut several dead limbs from the walnut and lilac trees and I am downsizing them with a hand saw. No, Chas, I am not using a chainsaw.

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  32. We had a bit of “grossed out” excitement here this morning. Emily had bought bones from the nearby goat farm, as she often does, for making bone broth in the crock pot. The package was frozen, so due to the frost in it, she didn’t see exactly what it was.

    After thawing the bones in the fridge overnight, she opened the package & dumped the bones into the crock pot. Trying to figure out what the two pieces were, she flipped them over. The two eyes looked back at her.

    She had unknowingly bought a goat’s head, sliced in two!

    I took a look, & was “grossed out” by those eyes! If they had been removed, it wouldn’t have been so bad, but there they were…yuck!

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  33. Emily ended up tossing the head in the trash, not able to think about cooking it. She said if she’d realized ahead of time what she had, she could have dealt with it better.

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  34. The kid started Gym class for the first time this morning. He forgot his gym clothes and had to work out in his jeans but found out he will have to dress in front of the other boys tomorrow. We had to go shopping because he wanted a gym bag, new underwear and dumbbells. I talked him out of the dumbbells. 🙂

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  35. Let Mike use the chainsaw Mumsee. Like I said, “You can do lots of things with a chain saw. Only one is any good.”

    😛 I’ve never heard of “bone broth”. I have heard, and like the idea of cooking a hamhock with beans, etc. But I can’t imagine buying a goat head by mistake.
    What can you do with a used goathead?
    My dad’s family used to make hogshead cheeze. I never ate any.
    There was no part (maybe eyes, etc.) of a hog they didn’t use.

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  36. I wouod like to get in to the discussion of the Trinity. But it’s too heavy to handle right now.
    Just to say, there is no way we can understand the fact. No illustration, (Ice, water, steam; husband, father, son; etc. is adequate to describe it.)
    Because Jesus prayed to the Fathere, and promised to send the Spirit, we tend to make them 1,2,3 in authority. But that is also incorrect. They are at the same time One.
    We can’t wrap our minds around that.

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  37. Chas, I can understand the concept of eternity in having no end. I cannot wrap my brain around the concept of eternity as in having no beginning. It is a hard concept to understand.

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  38. If any woman can handle a chainsaw, it’s our mumsee. 🙂

    Persons not personalities would be my response — as that’s how the Trinity is defined in doctrinally sound resources.

    There is such a mystery surrounding it, though, that it is hard for us to fully comprehend. Our pastor said that some of the more common ways people use — the three forms of water, a man’s role as father, husband, employer, etc. — are pretty much heretical.

    I did find this from Piper which I thought was well said:

    http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/articles/what-is-the-doctrine-of-the-trinity

    “The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons. The Bible speaks of the Father as God (Phil. 1:2), Jesus as God (Titus 2:13), and the Holy Spirit as God (Acts 5:3-4). Are these just three different ways of looking at God, or simply ways of referring to three different roles that God plays?

    “The answer must be no, because the Bible also indicates that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons. For example, since the Father sent the Son into the world (John 3:16), He cannot be the same person as the Son. Likewise, after the Son returned to the Father (John 16:10), the Father and the Son sent the Holy Spirit into the world (John 14:26; Acts 2:33). Therefore, the Holy Spirit must be distinct from the Father and the Son. … “

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  39. Today at the dog park I spotted Cowboy across the park getting dive-bombed by a pair of birds. A friend and I thought he was too close to the nest (which was true) … but in a couple minutes he comes our way with an injured bird in his mouth.

    Still tweeting. 😦

    I got him to drop the bird, but I had no idea what to do with the poor thing; he appeared to be near death, but definitely was breathing and making noises … I found the nest in the tree and put him there but he died. I don’t think it was a baby, seemed to be more the size of the adults but may have been a young bird (someone thought they were mocking birds — I know virtually nothing about birds, they kind of all look alike to me I’m afraid!).

    Anyway, I didn’t know if I should take the body out of the nest or … ???

    The nest was quite interesting, made with lots of string and yarn — but oddly placed pretty low in the crook of a tree. Not to mention building a nest inside a dog park, but I suppose they missed the signs on the fence.

    So sad — I suspect Cowboy found him already injured on the ground, though.

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  40. In my comment about the Trinity, I didn’t mean to compare our different roles to Father, Son, & Holy Spirit, but rather the difference between persons & personalities. I know that comparing the persons of the Trinity to our different roles is too simplistic.

    Chas is right, that we can’t wrap our minds around trying to understand the Trinity.

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  41. Donna – Would Cowboy be interested in a goat’s head? 😉

    Chas – Bone broth is made by cooking the bones in water for a long time. It is supposed to be very nutritious.

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  42. I’m with Chas: the trinity is too complex to be fully comprehended by mere mortals. Same thing with God having no beginning. I can’t wrap my mind around it. I just look at it, and other things I don’t completely understand theologically, as if I am a one year old who can’t understand why mommy and daddy won’t let me play in the street. And, to be honest, my comprehension of God is probably even more limited than that! I know He is omniscient and omnipotent. I know He is perfect love. I know that He knows better than me all the time. Just as a child must learn that a parent has his best interest at heart, so too must a child of God learn the same lesson and submit to His authority.

    Karen O: Eeewww….yuck! I find dead eyes creepy, too! I think you can make tamales from the head of a goat–no, it’s from a pig’s head. Poor Emily!

    Kim: Happy Birthday to Hubbikins! Hope he had a special day. My hubby turns 50 in three years and I’m already wondering how to mark the occasion.

    Cheryl: Loved your story earlier in the thread. Thanks for sharing it!

    Becca’s first day was a success! She likes her teacher; she had someone to play with at recess; I brought her Subway for lunch (it’s her favorite); and no one was mean to her. Thank you so much to everyone who prayed for her. I believe it made a difference. Unfortunately, Becca is complaining of a sore throat and has a very stuffy nose. She’s not running a fever, but is acting like she feels pretty bad. We’ll see how she’s doing in the morning. I think it may be allergies, but they can make you feel pretty lousy if they are bad enough. She’s scheduled for allergy testing next week. I’m giving her Zyrtec in the meantime. She had her first piano lesson today. So, no piano lesons next week due to Labor Day

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  43. So glad Becca’s day went well — and, yeah, allergies are very much like a head cold. Hard to tell the difference.

    Meanwhile, I got this email from a friend tonight:

    “I took Tiny (her very big dog) to the Park about 10:30 a.m. and was alone…no one there except a little bird that fell from it’s nest and a moma bird who kept diving into me for trying to help. I think I saved it’s life tho’ since the momma bird stopped trying to kill me. ”

    Must have been the same bird Cowboy found. 😦

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