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News/Politics 9-27-12

This is the News thread for whatever news you’d like to talk about.

What do you think of this?

From CBN

“Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition has now begun dropping their presidential voter guide into key battleground states.”

“They are sending this out to roughly 17 million social conservatives that they have identified in their extensive voter file. It is being delivered by mail, email, text message, to churches and door-to-door. When people receive the voting guide in the mail, they can scan the bar code into their smart phone where a video begins to play that sums up the candidates positions on the issues.”

Read more here

This is the FFCoalition website

Here’s the Voter Guide PDF

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Here’s an interesting read on polling.

“Which polls are, or aren’t, legitimate?”

Read more here

From HotAir

60 thoughts on “News/Politics 9-27-12”

  1. I honestly don’t know anyone who has been discouraged enough to stay home and not vote because of the ‘predictions’ of a poll. I do know people who are sitting out this presidential election because they consider both candidates to be immoral and not worthy of a vote.

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  2. I fiond the juxtaposition between a Ralph Reed link to go and seen his website and decrying the polls as fascinating.

    On Reed, his addiction to politics seems to get the better of him — I agree with this editorial from a local Alabama paper:

    http://annistonstar.com/view/full_story/20281907/article-Reed%E2%80%99s-sordid-reputation–Intended-audience-of-his-message-should-take-lesson-from-Alabama?instance=home_opinion

    The argument on the polls is nothing short of hilarious — right wingers are arguing that the “liberal media” is pumping up President Obama’s polls so that democrats will come out to vote — nonsensical. If people think their candidate is doing fine it tends to get them to be more apathetic and not vote. Conservative punditry is becoming most amusing. If folks didn’t take the right wing press machine seriously, it’d make for good comedy.

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  4. On the morning of November 7, all Americans will know that the future of the US is as a Socialist Sodom and that a clear majority of Northerners want it that way. Southern Christians will then need to thoughtfully consider their options.

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  5. I know one person who can’t bring herself to vote for either one. She is a black, pro-life, moderate. I also know a yeller dog democrat who voted third party last time but has wormed up to Obama and will probably vote for him this time.

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  8. Ricky,

    For cryin outloud! The south leads in a great many moral indicators that are not something to crow about – divorce, teen pregnancy and the southen states are known for takinf mor dollars from the union then tey out in. So pardon this western heathen for scoffing at such self righteousness.

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  11. CB, Your attack on Mr. Reed got me a little riled up, and I seemed to have returned the favor. I have actually been saving my post at 8:13 for an appropriate time. When I send you your beer on November 7th, Southern Christians will just be beginning to realize the reality of their situation. Then they will begin to consider their options, none of which are pleasant or without risk.

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  12. CB, when people use state stats to show the inferiority of the South they put us at a disadvantage. In most of the categories people are fond of using, certain minorities that the South has a higher percentage of, score much higher. This tends to raise the stats in the whole region. But we can not mention this without being considered racist, (which all y’all already knew we were) so we are pretty much stuck with making jokes about being fat because we are better cooks or pregnant because we are better looking.

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  13. Ricky

    Was Reed involved in the Abramhof scandal? Power corrupts. This is a thing conservative evangelicals seem to dismiss when entangling the church and faith in politics.

    Kbells – really, all of the stats are someone else’s fault? Been to any towns that are mostly crackers?

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  14. Now I am willing to claim all my Southern brothers and sister regardless of race, girth or number of out of wedlock children but since the purpose of these stats is to show not the inferiority of the South in general but the inferiority of white, conservative, Republicans in the South, I just thought I would point all this out.

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  15. No, I’m just pointing out that the stats go a little deeper than “we’re better than you”. Funny how I would never be able to get away with using an equally derogatory word like “cracker”.

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  17. I go to church and work in a town that is almost 100% “Crackers”. They love the US more than any other group does. On November 7, many will finally begin to realize that today’s US is not the country of their youth and we are not the people our grandparents were. If I were in my twenties, I would take my family to Chile, Poland, Hong Kong, somewhere away from this Socialist Sodom. My neighbors, the Crackers, are not likely to choose that option.

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  18. Coyote,

    Uh, yeah. See here’s the thing that Dems and folks like yourself seem to have missed. They aren’t pointing out the numerous weighted polls for the reason you allege. You may find it funny, and if you were right, I would too. They aren’t saying the polls are biased to pump up Dems and get them out. In fact, they’re saying the opposite. The polls are biased to make it look like Obama is way ahead so that R’s get discouraged and stay home. R’s are the ones who will lead the turnout numbers this time around, not the D’s as in “08. That’s what the media wants, discouraged R’s. How do you accomplish this? By unfairly weighting the D/R/I numbers.

    I’m surprised someone as smart as yourself missed that.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/republicans-to-pollsters-too-many-democrats-in-your-surveys-20120925?page=1

    “Many Republicans, however, think pollsters are wrong to assume their results, which in some cases mirror the 2008 electorate, are accurate.

    “Far too many of the public and media polls have set their likely voter screens and models to something looking more optimistic than the 2008 turnout model,” GOP consultant Rick Wilson wrote in Sunday’s New York Daily News, “which even Obama’s most dedicated partisans think is highly unlikely.”

    John McLaughlin, a Republican pollster and consultant to GOP candidates, told the conservative National Review last week that Democrats are lobbying media pollsters “to weight their surveys to emulate the 2008 Democrat-heavy models.”

    “The intended effect is to suppress Republican turnout through media polling bias,” McLaughlin said.”

    And this is a perfect example.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/26/quinnipiac-ignores-gop-enthusiasm-edge

    “This morning, my colleague John Nolte pointed out the ridiculous Democrat turnout assumptions in Quinnipiac University’s latest poll for CBS/NYT. To believe Quinnipiac’s numbers, we’d have to believe that Democrat turnout will not only increase over 2008, but reach levels not seen in the modern political era. Quinnipiac’s own poll numbers put a lie to that assumption.

    Quinnipiac’s poll purports to be a Likely Voter (poll), meaning it’s a poll of those most likely to show up on election day. It is entirely possible that a poll of Adults or even Registered Voters (RV) could have a heavy Democrat edge and still be fairly accurate. For an LV poll to have such a massive Democrat turnout, then Democrats must be fired up and ready to walk across broken glass to vote. And GOP voters must be looking for a rock to crawl under. But, Quinnipiac’s own poll shows the opposite is true.

    In all three state polls, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, the GOP holds a clear edge over Democrats on voting enthusiasm. In PA, the GOP voter enthusiasm edge is almost 20 points. 45% of GOP voters say they are more enthusiastic about voting this year against 28% of Dems who are more enthusiastic. The GOP voter enthusiasm has increased 10 points since the beginning of August, while the Dem number is essentially unchanged.”

    Now I’m laughing too. Because this is a joke.

    🙂

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  19. CB,

    Putting aside the pollster’s motives or lack of them, maybe you could just consider a thoughtful analysis such as this one from Jay Cost. The argument that many of the polls give Obama a better edge than they should is plausible, whether the pollsters themselves are intentionally favoring Obama or whether they are simply mistaken with some assumptions behind their polls.

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  20. Kbells and Ricky, people are similar in this country, the south does not have a moral superiority claim nor does the northeast, mid west or any other region.

    Polls, what makes me roll my eyes is the msm conspiracy fantasy. All I hear is yip, yip, yio od an old and tired wolf that is starting to resemble a horse. The polls themselves are all over the place and only 1 poll counts.

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  22. CB, I actually agree with you on the polling. Americans Christians (particularly Southerners) are in denial as to what the US has become. As you say, November 6th is the only poll that matters. After that it will be tougher to stay in denial.

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  24. Kbells, no it will be worse. The accusation will be voter supression due to laws passed by r legislatures. And with r’s actually stating that they passed laws so Gov Romney will be elected, it will be messy and angry. Good job conservatives.

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  25. KBells, Unless something very unusual happens in the debates, Romney will not win.

    CB, There are exceptions, but there are fundamental differences now between the world views of Southerners and people in New England and on the West Coast. These show up in dramatic differences in:
    1. Church attendance;
    2. Belief in the Bible;
    3. View of Abortion;
    4. Attitudes about the practice of Christianity in public schools;
    5. Views on the crime and punishment, including the death penalty;
    6. Views on same sex marriage;
    7. Views on the role of government.

    Texans consist of native whites, blacks, Hispanics and immigrants from the North. Guess which one of those four groups is responsible for 90+% of lawsuits to remove nativity scenes from courthouse lawns, prayers from graduation ceremonies and other ACLU lawsuits?

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  28. CB, every illegitimate vote disenfranchise a legitimate voter whose vote was cancelled out. I want them to do all they can to ensure a fair election.

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  32. CB: The accusation will be voter supression due to laws passed by r legislatures. And with r’s actually stating that they passed laws so Gov Romney will be elected, it will be messy and angry.

    What hard evidence do you have that some states have rigged election laws to favor Republicans including Romney? If you are talking about voter ID requirements, they have been ruled legal by the Supreme Court.

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  36. Sails, I’m telling you what the actual liberal websites are saying and I have seen video clips with R legislators stating that the purpose of the voter id laws are to ensure a Romney win. It’s ugly stuff that is out there.

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  37. CB,

    “It’s ugly stuff that is out there.”

    You got that right. Have you seen the video out today of the Obama supporters bragging on their free Obama phones?

    That’s pretty ugly to watch. I think she may have been one of those 47%ers Romney talked about. I’d put it up here, but then I’d just be called racist for pointing it out, so you’ll have to find it on your own.

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  38. CB, you provided zero hard evidence that some states have rigged the elections in favor of Republicans. Second, don’t believe everything you read on liberal websites.

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  39. I’ve been waiting for the voter fraud topic to come up. A moderate friend of mine opposes voter id on the grounds that it does disenfranchise certain disadvantaged groups.

    Adults without valid photo id, from the highest percentage to the lowest:

    Blacks – 25%
    Asians – 20%
    Latinos – 19%
    18-24 year olds – 18%
    Seniors – 18%
    Earning less than $35K – 15%
    All – 11%
    Whites – 8%

    Here are two articles he cited:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-truth-about-voter-fraud/2012/08/13/7d6f5ad2-e58b-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_story.html

    http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/

    Read those two articles and tell me what you think…

    He thinks it’s a political strategy to help the Republicans win.

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  40. Sails

    Easy there. I did not say rigged. I did not say I thought this line of argument was a valid one. I have seen video of a penn legislator saying they did voter id to help Romney. No one put words in the guys mouth. I don’t believe much of what I read on left or right wing sites. I do believe my own ears.

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  41. OK. Today I learned that just because people don’t endorse my literacy test proposal, that doesn’t make them moderates.

    CB (who I can safely call a moderate), If you come visit me in Crackerville, I can introduce you to people who:
    1 Don’t mind producing a voter ID; and
    2 Will vote once, but only once.

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  43. Here is what CB is refering to. I will note that it was a slip up in my opinion. Perhaps a poor choice of words. What he says he meant was it will eliminate fraud and allow Romney to win a fair fight. But yeah, he’s a bonehead. And since he’s a Rebub, you hear all about it. Obama and Dem’s numerous slip ups, not so much.

    http://www.politicspa.com/turzai-voter-id-law-means-romney-can-win-pa/37153/

    ““We are focused on making sure that we meet our obligations that we’ve talked about for years,” said Turzai in a speech to committee members Saturday. He mentioned the law among a laundry list of accomplishments made by the GOP-run legislature.

    “Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation – abortion facility regulations – in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.””

    ““Rep. Turzai was speaking at a partisan, political event. He was simply referencing, for the first time in a long while, the Republican Presidential candidate will be on a more even keel thanks to Voter ID…Anyone looking further into it has their own agenda.””

    And I can tell you as a Pa. resident that the only ones upset by it are Dems. Much like the Romney % comment. The voters I talk to from both parties aren’t at all concerned with such gottcha crap. They have one. Jobs. Pa. will be closer than you think.

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  48. Most of the states are bending over backwards to help people get IDs. Dems should concentrate all their energy into this. Having the ID would help them in other ways.

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  53. Ricky,

    Turns out the free phone wasn’t all those protesters in Cleveland recieved. They also got $11/hr paid by the SEIU. Picked up from the “community” though. Non-union too. Funny that. Real union workers don’t work for that little.

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  55. Sending voter guides *to social conservatives* sounds more like “advertising the Faith and Freedom Coalition” than an actual effort to help conservative candidates get elected. News flash: social conservatives are already going to vote the way you want them to.

    Re: polls, Fox News currently has Obama at +5 nationally, just like they did at the beginning of September. Is Fox part of the liberal conspiracy as well?

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  59. Buddy

    LOL — Fox and friends is criticizing the Fox poll too ….

    On the Obama voters — yup you can find voters who are not that well informed in both parties. and?

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