“MSNBC directly compares Donald Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally to a 1939 N*zi rally, directly compares Donald Trump to Adolf H*tler.
You don’t hate the media enough.
“But that jamboree happening right now, you “see it there on your screen in that place is particularly chilling because in 1939, more than 20,000 supporters of a different fascist leader, Adolf H*tler, packed the Garden for a so-called pro-America rally.”
Holocaust survivor Jerry Wartski was in attendance at the rally this evening, along with other Jews who were supporting Trump.”
“Just so we’re clear: A comedian makes a joke about Puerto Rico and it turns into the biggest scandal of the election cycle but the Democrat VP candidate calls all Trump supporters Nazis and nobody in the media even cares.”
I did not watch the rally. I did hear the “joke”. I was appalled. And I realized the same evil that has infected the Dems has taken the Reps. Of all the comedians, a real one could have been selected.
The Reps need to focus on policy if they want to get elected and stop the personal attacks. The same as on here.
In a bold stroke of investigative reporting, The Gazette’s news staff has unearthed what amounts to a searing indictment of Colorado’s reckless sanctuary policies. A smoking gun, if you will.
As The Gazette reported last week, a cache of emails obtained by our news team from Aurora police makes clear Colorado’s repute as a haven for illegal immigration led the vicious Venezuelan criminal enterprise Tren de Aragua to make the Denver area its ad hoc U.S. headquarters.
The emails also underscore how Colorado’s sanctuary laws — preventing law enforcement in our state from cooperating with federal authorities on illegal immigration — have helped pave the way for the gang, also known by its initials, TdA, to set up shop here.
Thanks, Kathaleena. I could not read the whole article, but found it to be accurate and chilling as to its implications. Reason for those who care about religious freedom to vote in a particular manner from my point of view. What happens in our nation does influence the world especially as we export our values elsewhere as a part of giving aid to others.
“The number of lies in this clip from Jake Tapper are JAWDROPPING. From downplaying his outlets 400-times-daily obsession with the Russia collusion hoax to denying that his viewers believed what they peddled. Polls showed his viewers overwhelmingly believed his Russia hoax lies.”
“I’m rejecting the premise of your question.” — JD Vance takes a hostile, angry Jake Tapper to school over attempts to contort Trump’s comments — and calls out Fake News CNN’s promotion of the Russia Hoax.
Imagine a legacy media hack going after Kamala with this kind of vitriolic anger.
VANCE: “I’m rejecting the premise of your question. I frankly don’t believe what you’re saying about Donald Trump’s words. If you’d like to put up a clip and actually put him in context, I think the American people would realize that Donald Trump is a hell of a lot more reasonable than the people like Liz Cheney, who would like to lead us into war.”
“Ask yourself a basic question about network integrity. You guys talked about the Russia hoax nonstop.”
“A Harris/Walz DOJ — likely led by Matthew Graves — would bastardize vague federal statues to criminalize participation in this event and try to throw every single attendee/speaker in jail. And the depraved regime media would cheer and cover every arrest like the feds caught the 9/11 hijackers.
Because it’s exactly what the DOJ and media do to J6ers.”
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“This was a hate rally. This was not just a presidential rally, this was not just a campaign rally. I think it’s important for people to understand these are mini January 6 rallies, these are mini Stop the Steal rallies.” -@aoc @repaoc on Trump’s New York City rally”
“President Trump’s rally at Madison Square Garden “was ELECTRIC last night” — “the energy was CRAZY in there and it really lays the foundation.” @ByronDonalds”
“For us New York Jews, it’s pretty refreshing to see people singing like American patriots rather than walking around with Hamas flags, banging on drums, and harassing Jews.”
“In a sign of Democratic worries in Michigan, Senate candidate Elissa Slotkin (D-MI) is running ads emphasizing she doesn’t drive an electric vehicle and opposes EV mandates.
Slotkin’s internals also recently found Harris “underwater” in Michigan.”
“A @FoxNews Exclusive Investigation: I filed an open records request to find out how many inmates with ICE detainers accused of the most violent crimes were being housed in our Texas jails. In Houston where VP Kamala Harris just held her rally, we found 1 in every 10 inmates had an ICE hold. 43% of the cases with ICE holds involve violent crimes, as classified by the FBI. Among these cases, we identified 75 murder cases, of which 22 are capital murder clases. We also identified 174 ICE detainers linked to sexual assault cases, and shockingly, more than half involve victims under 14-years-old.”
The Real, you do a great service here, and have for years. You have given us a fun place to continue our relationships, discuss current happenings, reminisce, build each other in Truth, and argue politics. I have appreciated it. And the effects are more far reaching than you know. We read here and discuss with friends and family off site.
Last night I was ready to give up on Reps after the joke, but I came on here this morning, saw the context, and was relieved. Thank you.
That said, remember you are speaking with those for whom Christ shed His blood. We will be there in eternity with you. Bring us the Truth but be kind, considering us to be the weaker brethren, if you will. You have done a much better job of not demonizing your fellows on here but sometimes you slip.
We are aware your physical challenges, long and drawn out, are taking a toll and continue to pray you will find the peace in Him, enabling you to carry on informing us.
“I was at the MSG Trump rally last night and I heard every speech in their entirety including this speech and comments about Puerto Rico.
The Democrats choose their outrage. They aren’t outraged over naked men exposing their genitals to children at Pride parades or biological men literally beating women in women’s sports or 325,000+ missing migrant children in America under Kamala Harris or Tim Walz putting tampons in boys bathrooms, actually Democrats support all of these vile things.
Instead Democrats are outraged at a comedian that spoke last night.
However, a quick google search reveals severe waste management problems plaguing Puerto Rico that has also been hit by multiple devastating hurricanes in recent years.
Also, a 2024 federal audit report showed that less than 10% of more than $23 billion in available federal funds have been spent in Puerto Rico under the Biden Harris administration.
They don’t care about Puerto Rico and neither do Democrat activists in the media as they’ve reported many times about the problems Puerto Rico faces.
It took a comedian to force these issues to the forefront.
Instead, Democrats and the complicit media are trying to cancel Tony Hinchcliffe as they continue on their communist agenda to destroy free speech instead of fixing anything.
We must always fight against cancel culture and constantly defend free speech!”
Cheryl, I hope you haven’t given up following this thread, because I have a question for you.
In your comments on Saturday, which I largely agree with, you said, “You can even decide that he [Trump] has changed ‘enough’ now to be worth our votes (which is where I personally land).”
In what ways would you say Trump has changed? What makes him worth our votes more now than before?
I don’t follow politics all that closely; I try to watch presidential debates and (most) State of the Union speeches, but otherwise I rarely watch a presidential speech and I never watch the evening news. So what I pick up is bits and pieces and I hate to say anything is conclusive.
But it seems to me that the first time Trump ran, he did so largely as a power move. He was angry, and he saw that many citizens are angry, and so he fed that anger and, to the surprise of many (including me, but not of my husband) he actually won the nomination and then the election. And he made a lot of promises, including “draining the swamp” and building a wall. He saw that abortion was a very, very important issue to those who elected him, probably more than to him.
He continued to send out stupid tweets and to make up juvenile nicknames for his opponents. But he also governed reasonably well, and appointed a lot of good judges, and he kept the promises he made.
He was hampered in his administration by having a lot of people on his team whose job was to undermine him. Covid caught everyone by surprise, and whether because more people voted because isolation opened the door to mail-in ballots, because of voter fraud, or some combination, Trump won more votes than any president in history . . . but was outvoted by a man who didn’t really even try to campaign. It looked like fraud and smelled like fraud, but there wasn’t anything that could be proven. (Multiple investigations turned up very little.)
Whether legitimately or otherwise, Trump lost the election and had to sit out the next four years. He made a speech on January 6, his followers followed through, and the opposition worked overtime to turn it into an insurrection, jail those who participated for life, and use his role in it to make him ineligible for the second term to which he was constitutionally qualified if he could win it.
Facing opposition of every conceivable sort, including criminal charges and attempts on his life, Trump realized the stakes were more serious than he imagined, that there is more evil behind the scenes than he imagined, and that America is less free than he thought.
This time he is running with a more serious focus. He knows he might be killed or jailed, but he also knows how high the stakes are. He is choosing people for his administration who are concerned about many of the same things he is. The first time, I think he saw running as competition, a bit like a football game. He wanted to win because he’s a man and he’s competitive (but I repeat myself); now he wants to win because he knows more about how serious a threat the opposition is. Every presidential campaign in recent history has been presented as an existential threat; I hate to overplay it. But this one is being boldly presented as a defense to the “right” to abortion. This one has as a VP candidate a man who is breathtakingly unqualified in every possible way, and a presidential candidate who was put in place by really unusual (and underhanded) means.
He also has quite a history as a playboy. Any woman who wasn’t extremely hesitant to vote for him in 2016 hadn’t been paying attention. He was making a lot of big promises, but a man who has broken as many promises as he has needs to be treated with caution. Yet we’re nine years farther along, and by all appearances he is faithful to his (current) wife and has raised a responsible, mature young man with her. Angry tweets and dumb lines in speeches aside, he has mostly handled well the public trust he has been given. Since the bluster is largely what gave him the job in the first place, and many of his followers like it, he keeps it in his arsenal, but I think he is a more mature, wiser man than he was in 2016 or in 2020. And I think Vance was a wise choice for his running mate, and will likely help keep some of his worst instincts in check.
I do think that public recklessness has been bad for our country. His followers have not been encouraged in civility. I’d rather vote for a Ronald Reagan, who was equally effective but more disciplined. But I think that in general he has done what he needs to do, and is running for the right reasons, and also the other side really is dangerous to morality and to liberty.
There, see? There’s room for “other” opinions, right? I disagree (strongly in some cases) with many of Cheryl’s assessments above, but am fine seeing diverse opinions and I don’t think we should be stuck on one point of view. I think that’s all we’ve been trying to say, that the political thread should be a place where we can all speak and breathe (and without — in AJ’s own words — “smart ass” comebacks).
See above, context matters, and when looked at in context, the media pearl clutching over the joke is exposed for the stupidity it is. Goldberg like most media hacks, ignores it. Wow, shocking… 🙄
Their desperation is showing, but of course NTers wring their hands on cue…. 🙄
Don’t be silly. We were talking about attacking fellow believers for their opinions. Post away the news. Keep us informed. Main stream, side stream, but verifiable.
“Tim Walz accused of pushing Chinese Communist Party official’s daughter to brink of suicide during storm-tossed love affair in 1980s: ‘Made me feel cheap’ “
“It gets worse. The New York Knicks are having a Nazi rally tonight. They’re having like 41 Nazi rallies over the next several months. This is insane.”
“Whoopi claims Trump is going to break up interracial marriages and redistribute the white spouses: “He’s going to deport and you put the white guy with someone else”
“The man is out there!” she declares.”
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And yet millions of clueless women take political advice from these clowns.
Daily Mail meh not entirely reliable but in this case probably correct.
Not sure what the issue is. If you have to reach 25 years back to find a misdeed, the candidate is pretty clean. Teaching ESL anywhere in your 20s and single and it will lead to a relationship or two. The fact it didn’t progress beyond a semester demonstrates there’s nothing relevant.
“Whoopi claims Trump is going to break up interracial marriages and redistribute the white spouses: “He’s going to deport and you put the white guy with someone else”
Very few of the left sources I follow actually mentioned the Madison Square Garden rally. The first mention of Hitler comparisons are the ones I read here — which tells you how little I watch American cable news. The Trump campaign served the comparison on a platter — you have a presidential candidate who campaigns on America First closing off his campaign with a rally in the same place the German American Bund held an America First rally in 1939. Too easy for people, esp with a comedian making racial comments. For the record i see no similarities between Trump and Hitler maybe Mussolini though.
Never have a comedian at a political rally especially one who really isn’t that funny. The only reference on my social media was a joke he made about Latinos not pulling out. I had to google the Puerto Rico statement after coming here. According to BBC, he also made a reference to watermelons and blacks. Seriously…. just not worth it. Who’s running the Trump campaign — I have a hard time believing the speech wasn’t vetted. Besides the usual suspects, several Florida Republicans also condemned it. Trump’s campaign isn’t helping the down ballot.
Interesting reply; for me its the exact opposite. I didn’t take him seriously in 2016 and saw his candidacy in the primary as mainly to promote book sales (true for many primary candidates). As a person, I find/found him vile and disgusting, representing the worst of the trust fund baby irresponsibility.
He inherited a fairly decent economy and did fairly expected Republican things – cut taxes and appoint right wing judges. He had a hard time with Covid whether it was his fault or his staff is a coin toss. Like many conservative politicians, he didn’t want it to affect the all important economy.
His behaviour after he lost the election and his four year tour of whining and complaining created a different impression for me. He will be far more “right wing populist” if reelected and will be far less willing to pay attention to traditional Republican leadership. And he will be far more vindictive.
Some of these changes won’t affect me personally. However, his “friendship” with Putin and other authoritarians is worrisome for international law and order.
Eight years ago, I heard some rational reasons to vote for Trump – appointing the “right” judges was a valid reason cited by AJ. I don’t see or hear the same now — it seems to be about getting back at people more than an actual plan for running the country.
AJ – (re: 5:39) – Even those who recognize what the comedian was referring to have said that it was unwise to tell that joke at a political rally. How many people watching knew off the top of their heads what he was referring to? “Optics” are important.
Kevin B – an over top the reference to Clarence Thomas who in overturning Roe vs Wade also claimed judges should overturn the doctrine of “substantive due process” and explicitly called on the court to overrule the watershed civil rights rulings in Griswold v. Connecticut, Lawrence v. Texas and Obergefell v. Hodges. Apparently that led others to claim that threatened Loving vs Virginia. In any case we should never get legal advice from a celebrity.
I’m convinced we’re all repeating Jr. High in a surreal ‘Groundhogs Day sort of way.
Regarding the latest Walz accusation— I don’t think it’s a good idea to give too much credibility to old grievances of any kind. They’re unprovable, and can’t be prosecuted if they could be proven. Their only significance is in any possible damage to a third party — particularly one under age at the time, like the last, apparently false accusation. I don’t see how it substantially blackens his reputation either. It’s like smudging black ink on your black work shirt: yeah I know it’s there but there’s no real contrast to make it unwearable. His totalitarian behavior and his stance on late term abortion make his reputation a black shirt to me already.
Harris has a Michigan problem but i don’t think its EV cars or Trump; it’s American bipartisan foreign policy as it relates to Israel. Arab Americans who represent the 1% needed for Harris to win in Michigan just don’t see the point of voting Democrat. People try to shame them into voting for Harris — “Trump will be worse” but the reply “worse than genocide?” should make people think that shame doesn’t always work.
Something similar goes on when people try to shame Republicans into voting for Trump. Does a Trump or not Trump vote in California really matter? Is it worth getting upset with someone over?
One of the nicest side effects of Facebook/Meta’s dispute with the Canadian government is we can no longer share news on Facebook. I stopped sharing news before that but now all I see is vacation pics, memes about teaching, and birthdays. If you want to see some great vacation pics with no politics, just look up Henry Wesselius – I’m the only one on the planet.
American politics used to be fun, relevant and interesting. Now its just about one person – and its become exhausting. You can put the blame in various places, I put it on an old man who’s been a spoiled trust fund baby his entire life.
Taught gr 7/8 for 27 years til I retired this year. They were smart enough not to make jokes about watermelons ….. but pulling out, those type of jokes never stopped until I walked in the room.
People used to say high school was where many people stopped growing intellectually and physically. It appears some are still stuck in middle school.
Optics are irrelevant. No matter what is said, the media will spin it as the worst thing ever. Even here, Trump didn’t say this, some comedian whose job it is to offend did, yet our corrupt and biased media use it as an excuse to call 30k Trump supporters nazis. When people are looking for offense, it’s never hard to find. We see that even here.
Wandering Views 
“Jaw dropping view.
Making history!!!
https://x.com/GuntherEagleman/status/1850633534647451778?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1850633534647451778%7Ctwgr%5E8ce31620eba9298e95ce929c6ff66a2b736c1aa9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnotthebee.com%2Farticle%2Ftrumps-nyc-rally-had-a-diverse-sea-of-patriotic-americans-heres-how-the-lamestream-media-covered-it
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Clowns always gotta beclown themselves. 🙂
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“MSNBC directly compares Donald Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally to a 1939 N*zi rally, directly compares Donald Trump to Adolf H*tler.
You don’t hate the media enough.
“But that jamboree happening right now, you “see it there on your screen in that place is particularly chilling because in 1939, more than 20,000 supporters of a different fascist leader, Adolf H*tler, packed the Garden for a so-called pro-America rally.”
Holocaust survivor Jerry Wartski was in attendance at the rally this evening, along with other Jews who were supporting Trump.”
https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1850708189966110847?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1850708189966110847%7Ctwgr%5E8ce31620eba9298e95ce929c6ff66a2b736c1aa9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnotthebee.com%2Farticle%2Ftrumps-nyc-rally-had-a-diverse-sea-of-patriotic-americans-heres-how-the-lamestream-media-covered-it
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Seriously, the media is a joke. Trump has broken them. Check out all the headlines from our corrupt and biased media.
https://notthebee.com/article/trumps-nyc-rally-had-a-diverse-sea-of-patriotic-americans-heres-how-the-lamestream-media-covered-it
They seem even more desperate than usual. 🙂
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Weird, right? It’s almost like they’re biased and completely in the tank for one side.
https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1850887770455089386?t=yPX90BDUED9qQ71zZVmJQA&s=19
“Just so we’re clear: A comedian makes a joke about Puerto Rico and it turns into the biggest scandal of the election cycle but the Democrat VP candidate calls all Trump supporters Nazis and nobody in the media even cares.”
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I did not watch the rally. I did hear the “joke”. I was appalled. And I realized the same evil that has infected the Dems has taken the Reps. Of all the comedians, a real one could have been selected.
The Reps need to focus on policy if they want to get elected and stop the personal attacks. The same as on here.
mumsee
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Ok, now I have watched some of the above and feel much better but I still think people need to ease off on the personal attacks.
mumsee
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I did enjoy the series on all the Nazi rallies.
mumsee
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Trump was right. Aurora is dangerous.
In a bold stroke of investigative reporting, The Gazette’s news staff has unearthed what amounts to a searing indictment of Colorado’s reckless sanctuary policies. A smoking gun, if you will.
As The Gazette reported last week, a cache of emails obtained by our news team from Aurora police makes clear Colorado’s repute as a haven for illegal immigration led the vicious Venezuelan criminal enterprise Tren de Aragua to make the Denver area its ad hoc U.S. headquarters.
The emails also underscore how Colorado’s sanctuary laws — preventing law enforcement in our state from cooperating with federal authorities on illegal immigration — have helped pave the way for the gang, also known by its initials, TdA, to set up shop here.
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https://wng.org/opinions/this-is-how-religious-liberty-dies-1730113057?mkt_tok=NzEwLVFSUi0yMDkAAAGWcjDVPTzwYyfinAh-vewF7ghnYVY0rEcDgGUzro0FZciQUudxQo_YtShbEM_Ele-8DbD0Y-Qn75GzqcZR-RwgpJy7XFVBPrB493g6GTNdLXjr
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Thanks, Kathaleena. I could not read the whole article, but found it to be accurate and chilling as to its implications. Reason for those who care about religious freedom to vote in a particular manner from my point of view. What happens in our nation does influence the world especially as we export our values elsewhere as a part of giving aid to others.
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“The number of lies in this clip from Jake Tapper are JAWDROPPING. From downplaying his outlets 400-times-daily obsession with the Russia collusion hoax to denying that his viewers believed what they peddled. Polls showed his viewers overwhelmingly believed his Russia hoax lies.”
https://x.com/MZHemingway/status/1850640777447416010?t=Pz0BmKjpM06w2tABQ3wSow&s=19
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“Jake Tapper is a fraud. Don’t let him gaslight.
Night after night, for well over a year, his show was “Russia, Russia, Russia.””
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1850555358969724937?t=h73sfc6_FSuUqvkIrMl2ew&s=19
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“I’m rejecting the premise of your question.” — JD Vance takes a hostile, angry Jake Tapper to school over attempts to contort Trump’s comments — and calls out Fake News CNN’s promotion of the Russia Hoax.
Imagine a legacy media hack going after Kamala with this kind of vitriolic anger.
VANCE: “I’m rejecting the premise of your question. I frankly don’t believe what you’re saying about Donald Trump’s words. If you’d like to put up a clip and actually put him in context, I think the American people would realize that Donald Trump is a hell of a lot more reasonable than the people like Liz Cheney, who would like to lead us into war.”
“Ask yourself a basic question about network integrity. You guys talked about the Russia hoax nonstop.”
https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1850529690907283639?t=8iMAmvUGenTZ3GFMhYDGDQ&s=19
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Truth.
https://x.com/julie_kelly2/status/1850887771755331885?t=xEWtNCP8C2h4SHUURvFUJA&s=19
“A Harris/Walz DOJ — likely led by Matthew Graves — would bastardize vague federal statues to criminalize participation in this event and try to throw every single attendee/speaker in jail. And the depraved regime media would cheer and cover every arrest like the feds caught the 9/11 hijackers.
Because it’s exactly what the DOJ and media do to J6ers.”
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“This was a hate rally. This was not just a presidential rally, this was not just a campaign rally. I think it’s important for people to understand these are mini January 6 rallies, these are mini Stop the Steal rallies.” -@aoc @repaoc on Trump’s New York City rally”
https://x.com/Morning_Joe/status/1850860799289336225?t=_8lKDhzRhZX5FySjXBj6-w&s=19
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“President Trump’s rally at Madison Square Garden “was ELECTRIC last night” — “the energy was CRAZY in there and it really lays the foundation.” @ByronDonalds”
https://x.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1850892351188660376?t=vaxa69pEsypm6RQ3iHtjWw&s=19
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Isn’t it nice that thanks to Obama, the propagandists no longer have to pretend to be neutral and objective?
https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1850927150104207436?t=oCh5id6hsIBOSdsBZRwjNg&s=19
“MSNBC splices MAGA rally with clips of Nazis, DNC projects graphic on MSG comparing Trump to Hitler”
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“Everyone I don’t like is Hitler
A child’s guide to online political discussion”
https://x.com/GarryOwen11B/status/1850926987629547939?t=3RZJngk6s_tSmNrSrvwqkw&s=19
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Well that’s weird….
https://x.com/AP_from_NY/status/1850633592759886111?t=rN_OZ7XEV1QE46Bd_Hmmsg&s=19
“For us New York Jews, it’s pretty refreshing to see people singing like American patriots rather than walking around with Hamas flags, banging on drums, and harassing Jews.”
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The rats are continuing to eye the life boats on the USS Kamala.
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1842320342167265672?t=omt97SZRw1mB_pQ2V8SIYQ&s=19
“In a sign of Democratic worries in Michigan, Senate candidate Elissa Slotkin (D-MI) is running ads emphasizing she doesn’t drive an electric vehicle and opposes EV mandates.
Slotkin’s internals also recently found Harris “underwater” in Michigan.”
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And in a not at all shocking development….
https://x.com/kerpen/status/1842556020792426498?t=pw3KC9swDeFi8JhxC90VzQ&s=19
“On September 20, 2024, Elissa Slotkin voted NAY on John James’s bill to ban Biden’s EV mandates. Her ad is a lie.”
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Border Czar Kamala built this, and there are more waiting.
https://x.com/Brooketaylortv/status/1850901531358327129?t=De9xvC4T0thnjiFyrFFk-Q&s=19
“A @FoxNews Exclusive Investigation: I filed an open records request to find out how many inmates with ICE detainers accused of the most violent crimes were being housed in our Texas jails. In Houston where VP Kamala Harris just held her rally, we found 1 in every 10 inmates had an ICE hold. 43% of the cases with ICE holds involve violent crimes, as classified by the FBI. Among these cases, we identified 75 murder cases, of which 22 are capital murder clases. We also identified 174 ICE detainers linked to sexual assault cases, and shockingly, more than half involve victims under 14-years-old.”
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The Real, you do a great service here, and have for years. You have given us a fun place to continue our relationships, discuss current happenings, reminisce, build each other in Truth, and argue politics. I have appreciated it. And the effects are more far reaching than you know. We read here and discuss with friends and family off site.
Last night I was ready to give up on Reps after the joke, but I came on here this morning, saw the context, and was relieved. Thank you.
That said, remember you are speaking with those for whom Christ shed His blood. We will be there in eternity with you. Bring us the Truth but be kind, considering us to be the weaker brethren, if you will. You have done a much better job of not demonizing your fellows on here but sometimes you slip.
We are aware your physical challenges, long and drawn out, are taking a toll and continue to pray you will find the peace in Him, enabling you to carry on informing us.
mumsee
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“I was at the MSG Trump rally last night and I heard every speech in their entirety including this speech and comments about Puerto Rico.
The Democrats choose their outrage. They aren’t outraged over naked men exposing their genitals to children at Pride parades or biological men literally beating women in women’s sports or 325,000+ missing migrant children in America under Kamala Harris or Tim Walz putting tampons in boys bathrooms, actually Democrats support all of these vile things.
Instead Democrats are outraged at a comedian that spoke last night.
However, a quick google search reveals severe waste management problems plaguing Puerto Rico that has also been hit by multiple devastating hurricanes in recent years.
Also, a 2024 federal audit report showed that less than 10% of more than $23 billion in available federal funds have been spent in Puerto Rico under the Biden Harris administration.
They don’t care about Puerto Rico and neither do Democrat activists in the media as they’ve reported many times about the problems Puerto Rico faces.
It took a comedian to force these issues to the forefront.
Instead, Democrats and the complicit media are trying to cancel Tony Hinchcliffe as they continue on their communist agenda to destroy free speech instead of fixing anything.
We must always fight against cancel culture and constantly defend free speech!”
https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1850934214935404573?t=gEA-egpkfcGofSygvCUf6g&s=19
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Re: 12:38 – I just mentioned that to a FB friend who shared the comedian’s quote.
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What Mumsee said perfectly. Obvious guidance by the Holy Spirit!♡
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Cheryl, I hope you haven’t given up following this thread, because I have a question for you.
In your comments on Saturday, which I largely agree with, you said, “You can even decide that he [Trump] has changed ‘enough’ now to be worth our votes (which is where I personally land).”
In what ways would you say Trump has changed? What makes him worth our votes more now than before?
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Good question, Kevin.
I don’t follow politics all that closely; I try to watch presidential debates and (most) State of the Union speeches, but otherwise I rarely watch a presidential speech and I never watch the evening news. So what I pick up is bits and pieces and I hate to say anything is conclusive.
But it seems to me that the first time Trump ran, he did so largely as a power move. He was angry, and he saw that many citizens are angry, and so he fed that anger and, to the surprise of many (including me, but not of my husband) he actually won the nomination and then the election. And he made a lot of promises, including “draining the swamp” and building a wall. He saw that abortion was a very, very important issue to those who elected him, probably more than to him.
He continued to send out stupid tweets and to make up juvenile nicknames for his opponents. But he also governed reasonably well, and appointed a lot of good judges, and he kept the promises he made.
He was hampered in his administration by having a lot of people on his team whose job was to undermine him. Covid caught everyone by surprise, and whether because more people voted because isolation opened the door to mail-in ballots, because of voter fraud, or some combination, Trump won more votes than any president in history . . . but was outvoted by a man who didn’t really even try to campaign. It looked like fraud and smelled like fraud, but there wasn’t anything that could be proven. (Multiple investigations turned up very little.)
Whether legitimately or otherwise, Trump lost the election and had to sit out the next four years. He made a speech on January 6, his followers followed through, and the opposition worked overtime to turn it into an insurrection, jail those who participated for life, and use his role in it to make him ineligible for the second term to which he was constitutionally qualified if he could win it.
Facing opposition of every conceivable sort, including criminal charges and attempts on his life, Trump realized the stakes were more serious than he imagined, that there is more evil behind the scenes than he imagined, and that America is less free than he thought.
This time he is running with a more serious focus. He knows he might be killed or jailed, but he also knows how high the stakes are. He is choosing people for his administration who are concerned about many of the same things he is. The first time, I think he saw running as competition, a bit like a football game. He wanted to win because he’s a man and he’s competitive (but I repeat myself); now he wants to win because he knows more about how serious a threat the opposition is. Every presidential campaign in recent history has been presented as an existential threat; I hate to overplay it. But this one is being boldly presented as a defense to the “right” to abortion. This one has as a VP candidate a man who is breathtakingly unqualified in every possible way, and a presidential candidate who was put in place by really unusual (and underhanded) means.
He also has quite a history as a playboy. Any woman who wasn’t extremely hesitant to vote for him in 2016 hadn’t been paying attention. He was making a lot of big promises, but a man who has broken as many promises as he has needs to be treated with caution. Yet we’re nine years farther along, and by all appearances he is faithful to his (current) wife and has raised a responsible, mature young man with her. Angry tweets and dumb lines in speeches aside, he has mostly handled well the public trust he has been given. Since the bluster is largely what gave him the job in the first place, and many of his followers like it, he keeps it in his arsenal, but I think he is a more mature, wiser man than he was in 2016 or in 2020. And I think Vance was a wise choice for his running mate, and will likely help keep some of his worst instincts in check.
I do think that public recklessness has been bad for our country. His followers have not been encouraged in civility. I’d rather vote for a Ronald Reagan, who was equally effective but more disciplined. But I think that in general he has done what he needs to do, and is running for the right reasons, and also the other side really is dangerous to morality and to liberty.
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There, see? There’s room for “other” opinions, right? I disagree (strongly in some cases) with many of Cheryl’s assessments above, but am fine seeing diverse opinions and I don’t think we should be stuck on one point of view. I think that’s all we’ve been trying to say, that the political thread should be a place where we can all speak and breathe (and without — in AJ’s own words — “smart ass” comebacks).
With civility.
Thank you.
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Cheryl – I appreciate your comment here, and also the one from this afternoon on yesterday’s thread.
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Respectful political discussions shouldn’t be this hard to execute for a group of believers.
But moving on …
Best smart assessment of the Trump rally’s juvenile “warm-up *jokes*” comes from Jonah Goldberg today: “Political malpractice.”
Indeed. Someone should have known enough in advance and exercised some judgement. But spilled milk and all that.
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Thank you, Cheryl, for taking the time to answer at length.
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Ok, back to filling out our humongous sample ballot here …
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Thanks, DJ and Kizzie.
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So is this acceptable to post, or is a major media source bad too?
Just trying to understand the rules….
https://x.com/DailyMail/status/1851013902605111602?t=bbcbn5GEPwpgsdRY_3MoBw&s=19
“Tim Walz had secret fling with daughter of top Chinese Communist official during teaching stint in China”
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Dj,
See above, context matters, and when looked at in context, the media pearl clutching over the joke is exposed for the stupidity it is. Goldberg like most media hacks, ignores it. Wow, shocking… 🙄
Their desperation is showing, but of course NTers wring their hands on cue…. 🙄
So predictable.
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Don’t be silly. We were talking about attacking fellow believers for their opinions. Post away the news. Keep us informed. Main stream, side stream, but verifiable.
mumsee
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“Tim Walz accused of pushing Chinese Communist Party official’s daughter to brink of suicide during storm-tossed love affair in 1980s: ‘Made me feel cheap’ “
https://x.com/nypost/status/1851012742548791764?t=P0d-pYi9wHs2rbSPd_J55A&s=19
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I guess no one told them how unworthy he was in the eyes of the judgemental.
https://x.com/TheLeoTerrell/status/1851014440562413708?t=CLc1ysAZvJiQU69vfJOF7Q&s=19
“Pastors pray over President Trump before he departs the National Faith Summit in Powder Springs, GA.”
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You know who else rallies in MSG?
Nazis and Trump/Hitler!
Oh nooooos!
https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1851014152707600746?t=YrhnZNqO4oP-xxnZxxIjJw&s=19
“It gets worse. The New York Knicks are having a Nazi rally tonight. They’re having like 41 Nazi rallies over the next several months. This is insane.”
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Instead of tweets you can read the actual article here. Kamala Harris’ VP choice Tim Walz had secret fling with daughter of top Chinese Communist official during teaching stint in China | Daily Mail Online
Is it more credible, less, or about the same as Christine Blasey Ford’s accusation about Brett Kavanaugh?
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Their desperation is hilarious.
https://x.com/JeremyDBoreing/status/1850996381659365621?t=g3rVsVbR2psjxAQX3ujiJw&s=19
“Whoopi claims Trump is going to break up interracial marriages and redistribute the white spouses: “He’s going to deport and you put the white guy with someone else”
“The man is out there!” she declares.”
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And yet millions of clueless women take political advice from these clowns.
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Daily Mail meh not entirely reliable but in this case probably correct.
Not sure what the issue is. If you have to reach 25 years back to find a misdeed, the candidate is pretty clean. Teaching ESL anywhere in your 20s and single and it will lead to a relationship or two. The fact it didn’t progress beyond a semester demonstrates there’s nothing relevant.
hrw
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“Whoopi claims Trump is going to break up interracial marriages and redistribute the white spouses: “He’s going to deport and you put the white guy with someone else”
Crazy. How do you make an eyeroll emoji?
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Very few of the left sources I follow actually mentioned the Madison Square Garden rally. The first mention of Hitler comparisons are the ones I read here — which tells you how little I watch American cable news. The Trump campaign served the comparison on a platter — you have a presidential candidate who campaigns on America First closing off his campaign with a rally in the same place the German American Bund held an America First rally in 1939. Too easy for people, esp with a comedian making racial comments. For the record i see no similarities between Trump and Hitler maybe Mussolini though.
Never have a comedian at a political rally especially one who really isn’t that funny. The only reference on my social media was a joke he made about Latinos not pulling out. I had to google the Puerto Rico statement after coming here. According to BBC, he also made a reference to watermelons and blacks. Seriously…. just not worth it. Who’s running the Trump campaign — I have a hard time believing the speech wasn’t vetted. Besides the usual suspects, several Florida Republicans also condemned it. Trump’s campaign isn’t helping the down ballot.
hrw
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Cheryl
Interesting reply; for me its the exact opposite. I didn’t take him seriously in 2016 and saw his candidacy in the primary as mainly to promote book sales (true for many primary candidates). As a person, I find/found him vile and disgusting, representing the worst of the trust fund baby irresponsibility.
He inherited a fairly decent economy and did fairly expected Republican things – cut taxes and appoint right wing judges. He had a hard time with Covid whether it was his fault or his staff is a coin toss. Like many conservative politicians, he didn’t want it to affect the all important economy.
His behaviour after he lost the election and his four year tour of whining and complaining created a different impression for me. He will be far more “right wing populist” if reelected and will be far less willing to pay attention to traditional Republican leadership. And he will be far more vindictive.
Some of these changes won’t affect me personally. However, his “friendship” with Putin and other authoritarians is worrisome for international law and order.
Eight years ago, I heard some rational reasons to vote for Trump – appointing the “right” judges was a valid reason cited by AJ. I don’t see or hear the same now — it seems to be about getting back at people more than an actual plan for running the country.
hrw
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AJ – (re: 5:39) – Even those who recognize what the comedian was referring to have said that it was unwise to tell that joke at a political rally. How many people watching knew off the top of their heads what he was referring to? “Optics” are important.
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Kevin B – an over top the reference to Clarence Thomas who in overturning Roe vs Wade also claimed judges should overturn the doctrine of “substantive due process” and explicitly called on the court to overrule the watershed civil rights rulings in Griswold v. Connecticut, Lawrence v. Texas and Obergefell v. Hodges. Apparently that led others to claim that threatened Loving vs Virginia. In any case we should never get legal advice from a celebrity.
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HRW: Never have a comedian at a political rally especially one who really isn’t that funny.
That covers it. 🙂 Well, I guess “funny” if someone’s in junior high school … ?
As has been said, political malpractice for the Trump campaign. But they’ll survive.
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I’m convinced we’re all repeating Jr. High in a surreal ‘Groundhogs Day sort of way.
Regarding the latest Walz accusation— I don’t think it’s a good idea to give too much credibility to old grievances of any kind. They’re unprovable, and can’t be prosecuted if they could be proven. Their only significance is in any possible damage to a third party — particularly one under age at the time, like the last, apparently false accusation. I don’t see how it substantially blackens his reputation either. It’s like smudging black ink on your black work shirt: yeah I know it’s there but there’s no real contrast to make it unwearable. His totalitarian behavior and his stance on late term abortion make his reputation a black shirt to me already.
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Harris has a Michigan problem but i don’t think its EV cars or Trump; it’s American bipartisan foreign policy as it relates to Israel. Arab Americans who represent the 1% needed for Harris to win in Michigan just don’t see the point of voting Democrat. People try to shame them into voting for Harris — “Trump will be worse” but the reply “worse than genocide?” should make people think that shame doesn’t always work.
Something similar goes on when people try to shame Republicans into voting for Trump. Does a Trump or not Trump vote in California really matter? Is it worth getting upset with someone over?
One of the nicest side effects of Facebook/Meta’s dispute with the Canadian government is we can no longer share news on Facebook. I stopped sharing news before that but now all I see is vacation pics, memes about teaching, and birthdays. If you want to see some great vacation pics with no politics, just look up Henry Wesselius – I’m the only one on the planet.
American politics used to be fun, relevant and interesting. Now its just about one person – and its become exhausting. You can put the blame in various places, I put it on an old man who’s been a spoiled trust fund baby his entire life.
hrw
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Debra, dj, et al.
Taught gr 7/8 for 27 years til I retired this year. They were smart enough not to make jokes about watermelons ….. but pulling out, those type of jokes never stopped until I walked in the room.
People used to say high school was where many people stopped growing intellectually and physically. It appears some are still stuck in middle school.
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Optics are irrelevant. No matter what is said, the media will spin it as the worst thing ever. Even here, Trump didn’t say this, some comedian whose job it is to offend did, yet our corrupt and biased media use it as an excuse to call 30k Trump supporters nazis. When people are looking for offense, it’s never hard to find. We see that even here.
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