115 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 8-22-20

  1. Morning! That is a pretty sunflower up there and do tell what type of bugs are upon the petals…I have an urge to call them stink bugs but then they remind me of the lightening bugs we would catch in a pickle jar on a warm summerโ€™s eve when I was but a child! ๐Ÿ˜Š

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  2. I think what I have decided to do is go back and talk to my former co-worker who contacted me earlier this summer about being the broker of their company.
    I just don’t want to be where I am anymore. Please pray for me that the right opportunity comes along.

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  3. Michelle, to answer your question last light, yes Navy Point was built in the 1940’s. If you expand a map you can see that across the water is NAS Pensacola.
    I’m am sure you recognized it by the step saver kitchen, which reminds me–how did people keep their food cool or safe in a kitchen with no room for a refrigerato?

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  4. Not sure how they did it down there, Kim, but I can tell you how my MIL did it. She had several children and no refrigeration or water pumped into her house. She kept can goods under the floor boards and in the well where the water would be cold. I believe she had an ice box that you kept ice chunks in. Around here ice was cut into huge chunks out on lakes and then stored in sawdust. That was bought by people who kept the chunks in the ice boxes and replaced them. I believe the ice was delivered like milk was. My husband was fascinated by a refrigerator light when he first saw one when he was around seven.

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  5. I am not sure how you use that counter next to the refrigerator in that house, Kim! And the washer and dryer are so close it looks like you cannot open the dryer.

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  6. Kathaleena, interesting to consider life before refrigeration. Thinking how that changed so much in the way people lived. This pandemic is one of those biggies, too, for changing the way people live. Think of all the people who lost their jobs working with ice and sawdust and such back in those days.

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  7. I’ve awakened to a silent house; Mr. Fit must be out running around.

    I dreamed about New Zealand last night and when I opened FB this morning, a friend had posted the NZ version of The Blessing. It brought tears to my eyes.

    I guess I should start every morning with The Blessing from somewhere!

    I attended an international Zoom meeting the other day (la-di-dah) and one of the participants told us that across the US during COVID more than a million people have been baptized.

    “The fields are ripe,” he said. “Let the Holy Spirit lead you in starting a conversation and see where it goes.”

    He told the story of walking back to his car in a parking lot with his wife. He noticed the couple in the car parked next to his were very agitated.

    As he opened his car door, he thought, “Lord, should I say something?”

    (This a young Black man, BTW).

    He looked over at his wife. “Pray.” Then he turned around and tapped on the passenger window. The crying woman looked at him and rolled down his window.

    He held up his hands, “Look, I don’t need to pry but do you two need some prayer?”

    The couple stared at him and began to nod. “Yes.”

    So, he put up his hands and prayed. They wanted more.

    The Holy Spirit gave him words and the woman gasped. What a surprise, he had “nailed” their situation. How did he know that was the problem?

    His wife joined him, the four talked and two days later they baptized the woman. The man is still listening, but has hope for the first time in a long time.

    We are Jesus to a world that is falling apart. Let’s act like Him, eh?

    Wow, I didn’t mean to get on a soapbox so early. That’s what one cup of coffee will do to you! LOL

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  8. My brother is here and mowed. I will make some lunch in a few minutes. I do enjoy cooking a meal to share. We may have it outside on the porch if the humidity and mosquitos are not overwhelming.

    I am on the WordPress Reader feed so have not seen the header yet. Looking forward to that later.

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  9. Little Miss has reached that stage where in constant question is “What you doing?”. Brushing my teeth. What you doing? Making your breakfast. MiMi, what you doing? Feeding the dogs. Mimi, what you doing? PaPa what you doing? I lost my patience this moring and started telling her, “I’m digging potatoes”. (Ex-husband used to say it to BG and obviously got it from his mother–because I have heard her say it. Remember I married him when I was 22).
    So anyway, Little Miss followed me in the bathroom and PaPa followed. He asked her what she was doing. She told him she was DIGGING POTATOES!!! I lost it. I needed that laugh.
    I called ex MIL to tell her but she didn’t answer the phone. So I called ex SIL and told her. She laughed as much as I did.

    Speaking of Little Miss and PaPa…Wednesday the 26th is his birthday. These things matter to him. I had so much fun with Chas’ birthday sign that I am doing the same thing for him. They will deliver the sign the night before. I will have to leave the house that morning about 7 and he will leave at 8:30 so it will be even better that I’m not here. I would smile, laugh, and give it away.

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  10. It feels strange around the house the last two days. We took our younger son to college on Thursday (he spent two years at community college, but this is his first time going away to college), so after more than 28 years, it’s just the two of us again. No one to drive to work now (younger son does not drive), less laundry to do and less food to cook. And no one else to walk the dog and feed her, or mow the lawn (husband can’t do it, between allergies and bad back and knee). We both feel kind of blah, not something so well-defined as sadness (after all, we’ll see him a week from tomorrow because he plays in the church band and his older brother will pick him up from college and bring him to church), but just a general lack of energy or interest in things. I tell myself that getting busy getting things done will help, but it’s harder than usual to push myself to do them.

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  11. I’m sorry Pauline. Five years ago I was thrown into “Early onset, Empty Nest”. I cried off and on for a year. Eventually you will get used to it. It’s sort of like a scar. The wound hurts for a long time, then it starts to heal and is tender, then it stops hurting, but it’s still a big, ugly scar.

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  12. Thirteen is a difficult year. You are no longer a child.
    But not really a “teen” yet. (I started to say “for a boy”, but I suspect circumstances can make it even worse for girls. )

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  13. As a homeschool mom to one child, I admit that I don’t think I suffered the typical feelings of empty nest. I was so thankful to know he was at a good school where his Christian faith and friendships could blossom. I was ready to have a break from the question of, “What’s for dinner?”

    That said, there were times I would have to remember that he was not in his room reading a book. Even the quiet house could easily remind me of him.

    I do feel for those who do experience the depth of empty next as it sounds like Kim did. And now Pauline who is recognizing it at some levels but not in the worst way.

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  14. I was quite happy to send my kids off to college. But I did miss them. ๐Ÿ™‚ I do understand why it can be hard for some though. Maybe it’s easier if they’re going to a Bible college for the first couple of years.

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  15. They do that, and it hurts, but they often drift back a bit at a time. Sometimes just a few years, often, many. They have to figure out who they are apart from us.

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  16. My nest has not ever been completely empty, and it looks like it won’t be. And I am fine with that.

    Nightingale lived with X for four years, but I still had Chickadee at home. Then Nightingale and Boy moved home, and for two and a half years we were all together, but then Chickadee moved out with the McKs.

    Technically, Nightingale and Boy do not live with me, as they have their own “apartment” upstairs. But you all know the rest of the story – that my part of the house is also for the family, so they are down here quite a lot, especially for meals. (And now to use my bathroom, since theirs is unusable, and will be for quite a while before it all gets fixed.) Pretty soon, hopefully, Nightingale will own the house, so it will be me living with her, not the other way around. ๐Ÿ™‚

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  17. I haven’t read the posts on here yet; just wanted to identify the photo while I remember what it is. ๐Ÿ™‚ The insects are false milkweed bugs, so called because they look a lot like a couple different species of bugs associated with milkweed. In fact, I “know” the milkweed bugs, so when I saw these, I knew it wasn’t what I was seeing, but did think of the milkweed bugs, so it’s a good name even if it doesn’t make much sense to those who don’t know milkweed bugs. I thought they were aligned perfectly on that flower, though, and the green leaves behind frame the scene nicely.

    In fact, I just got back from a walk at the same park where I photographed this (and then we ate lunch). It has a good assortment of wildflowers and lots and lots of bees. I told my husband the butterflies were just “clocking in” as I was leaving. In an hour or more, I just saw one butterfly, and then in one two-minute period as I was rounding the last corner to head back to the car, I saw four butterflies, all different species, none of them willing to sit for a photo.

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  18. In many ways, this already feels like Nightingale’s house. She has taken the initiative to tackle the upstairs bathroom, clearing out the basement, and getting the plumber in to make some fixes to pipes and valves down there. She also has taken over decorating the dining room, changing some things around and adding her houseplants. But again, that is fine with me, and I love the changes she has made.

    It is Nightingale who takes care of the yard and decorates the front porch for various holidays and seasons. She also does some of that in “my” part of the house, with my blessing and appreciation.

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  19. The group trying to return to PNG and lead the way for the rest of us had another flight cancelled this week. One of them posted today that they spent the week looking at flights and booked a flight through Air New Zealand for November 2nd. Wow. I had looked and seen October 27 and thought that was late. But Air New Zealand will treat them better than the others that keep cancelling on them.

    Makes me rethink my plans.

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  20. For us we had just one year of empty nest with both girls away at college–though that was a real “empty nest,” since our daughter who went to college close enough to come home for all the three-day weekends spent the spring semester in Ireland and our other daughter was too far away to come home for spring break. (She did come home for Christmas, and she surprised us by also coming for Thanksgiving.)

    Then the daughter who went a long way away (to Covenant) decided after one year that she just didn’t want that much debt, so she came back home. One more year and our older daughter graduated college and was home for two years before she married. Then my father-in-law died, and my mother-in-law had married him at 18 and they’d been married 60-some years and she’d never lived alone, so our younger daughter moved in with her. She saw it as a transition to being really on her own, though in many ways it was actually a step “backward” in terms of independence. My mother-in-law packed her lunch every day, called us to see if we knew where our daughter was if she wasn’t “home” within ten minutes of her shift ending, and otherwise “hovered” far more than we did. When we were moving away, I told that daughter that if she wanted to move with us, she was welcome to do so. I was pretty sure she wouldn’t, but wanted her to know the door was open if she did. (We would have had to buy a different house if she did want to, though.) So even though we’d been empty nesters for a year and a half or so when we moved, the move made it official, since up to that point it wasn’t certain that the younger daughter wouldn’t someday return home. (We both figured she wouldn’t, but she could have.) She has since gone on to get her own apartment.

    For me personally, I moved out of my mother’s house two years before I went to college, and my sister and I had three apartments in those two years (the first with another roommate). The two times I returned to Phoenix in those four years (I don’t call it “going home,” since it wasn’t–I moved away when I left to go to college), there was no good place for me to stay. My sister had a studio apartment and my mom had a one-bedroom apartment. Three other brothers still lived in Phoenix, but two were bachelors and one had a growing young family. So I went twice for a week each time, once staying in my sister’s studio apartment and once, after my sister and another brother or two had moved away too, staying on my mom’s couch.

    The time of living in the same town but not living at my mom’s house was probably a good transition for all of us. I was a full adult by the time I went to college, and overall I think that’s a better way to do it when possible. Students get more out of college when they’re a bit more mature, and it’s also easier for them to work and attend classes when they’ve had some work experience before college.

    And for us, our girls leaving home wasn’t sudden in any nature. When the second went away to college, she was going a fairly long way away, but she’d already spent a semester in Costa Rica as a junior in high school (that’s when my husband and I met), and we knew she was an adventurous spirit and probably would go farther to college. (Now that we’re gone, she’s doing nursing school locally, though.)

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  21. We just got a message from our son at college. He is pleased to find that his roommate is a Christian and enjoys talking about God and praying. He has found a Christian group that meets for worship and he will check it out tomorrow. He is looking into possibilities for music (he plays trombone and baritone horn and took both instruments with him). And the food is good.

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  22. So how did AJ’s day and college-delivery trip go yesterday?

    Our heatwave is continuing, this is a long one. And our humidity in this area seems also to be exceptionally high, which makes 80-something degrees feel a lot worse than it normally would. The fans are getting quite a workout this August.

    I’m looking into a stationary bike as they’re good for your knees.

    Rest your sore leg and your lungs for a couple days, Jo. (Indoor) swimming might be low-impact option also, not as jarring when you’re trying to help your body heal up and rest a bit — but of course, we’re in a pandemic so that option might be difficult or impossible to find.

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    Our pastor emailed out a link to a youtube message regarding our church situation which was very helpful (and I wished he’d done it a bit sooner than he did). He began by saying how Christians in this predicament can come to different conclusions in terms of how the church should respond and that’s OK. We need to all respect those who sincerely reach different conclusions (in terms of in-person meetings, how to deal with government health orders at this stage, etc.).

    He outlined the 5 options that we members all have currently, including to attend online, come to an early in-person service or a later (more relaxed one when it comes to masks) and/or our monthly evening service for those who are highly at-risk so those are very small and strict but allows folks to partake of communion which we can’t otherwise do ‘virtually’ — but all are indoors, contrary to what the health order in place calls for right now. We can also choose to attend the outdoor service at our sister church (which is the Orthodox Presbyterian church I transferred from and the pastor there now is our former pastoral intern from my present church — he’s a young surfer and dad, looks remarkably like Matt Damon).

    Our pastor stressed that any of those are fine with our elders (but that we should be all opting for one of them), and they’re asking now if we can let them know what we’re all doing as our personal connections with one another are so much looser due to this strange period we find ourselves in. I emailed in last night that I was attending the weekly virtual service (they have no way of knowing who’s doing that as it’s offered on different platforms and usually they can only see ‘numbers’ on each); I also mentioned that my knee injury has made mobility an issue somewhat, but that I would most likely opt to attend the outdoor service soon at the sister church. I mentioned having ‘scruples’ about the indoor meetings that are contrary to the health order now in place and the pastor, in his video msg, made it clear that those positions are perfectly acceptable, many of our elders also came down on that side of the issue — they just are at a point where they would like to know “where” everyone in the flock is on Sundays.

    He mentioned that he’s had long and frequently conversations with other pastors on this issue, pastors who are on different sides, and that’s he’s enjoyed and benefited from those connections (after all, he reminded us, he has attended 5 different seminaries in his life, including Reformed and charismatic and even dispensational varieties, so he’s one who welcomes dialogue while being able to see those of different views as brothers and sisters within the umbrella of the Christian faith).

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  23. Anyway, it was a good message (he frequently does youtube messages from his home, short, sometimes on biblical issues, other times, like this more unusual one, to address the church regarding an ongoing topic we’re all somewhat struggling with, clearly).

    A little overdue, wish he’d done this at least a month ago, but then again I haven’t availed myself of tuning in to their open elders’ sessions where some of this may have been hashed out earlier.

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  24. Glad to hear that Pauline.

    That photo has some symmetrical bugs.

    Reminds me, though, I’ll have to do some watering today when it gets later and the sun starts to go down.

    I’m also thinking that it might be time this evening to revive the dog walks at long last. I’ll go short for a while, gauge how the knee is handling it. I don’t want to get too far away and then have the pain kick up, facing a too-long walk back home which could backfire on me at this stage.

    Luckily, both my dogs are older so they’re no longer the long-long-walk dogs they once were, either. But they do still love getting out just to “sniff the pee” from all the other dogs in the neighborhood. ๐Ÿ™‚

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  25. Such good news Pauline.
    Some days I convince myself I will never be an empty nester. Adult daughter still living at home and appears to be quite content. She attended local state college living at home and continues to live and work here due to Covid. Her company may keep employees working remotely because it is working out well for them. She is responsible, pleasant and hard working but is an introvert. She tends to isolate and has no close friends. I talk that over with our Lord often…He knows and I trust Him with guiding her steps. Cost of living in this area is such that it would be difficult for her to find something within her means if she moved out on her own.

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  26. Pauline, it takes a bit of the empty feeling away to know that he will have Christian friendship, doesn’t it? The Christian bonds, especially on college campuses, give such a good foundation for continuing closeness and welcomed discussions with Christian parents. The one time that Wesley had his two friends join us from Covenant at our timeshare, Art and I tended to retreat into the master bedroom except for when I cooked meals and we all ate together. I was pleasantly surprised to find out that his friends really wanted to see more of us! They enjoyed conversation with parents of their friends.

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  27. DJ, I hope that you can enjoy the dog walks. I really relate to what you said about getting stranded away on your walk if the knee gives out. That has been one of the reasons I have not wanted to go out walking by myself. And I would not even have a dog to keep me company if I got stranded.

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  28. The house across the street sold for 5,000.00 less than the asking price of 350,000. The house next door sold for 375,000 instead of 400,000. I still can’t wrap my brain around those prices. Location, location, location. It all happened when Atlanta became Hollywood, Jr. Then we got California priced housing.

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  29. I wouldn’t be far enough away that I *couldn’t* get home on a walk, but it would be a painful journey that could cause that inflammation and swelling to return — which was what caused my other big setback.

    The census taker knocked on my door today but I didn’t answer as I figured it would be the JWs. I kept meaning to fill out that census form but with covid and the knee distractions, I just never did get around to it.

    Now they’re hunting me down.

    He left a note saying he’d ‘BE BACK” in the next 2 days.

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  30. Smoke has gotten bad. The index was around 61 and “good,” when I walked this morning. It’s now 181 and “unhealthy. Stay inside.”.

    Our young boarder left all his windows open! He’s gotten better about turning off the fan, and I get it about his room being hot since we don’t have air conditioning, but smoke got through the house!

    I closed the windows, opened his door, and am running the filter at the entrance to his room.

    I left him a note with some advice.

    Meanwhile, I’m done with my work and am headed downstairs where it’s much cooler. I’ll take a fan with me! LOL

    Hmm. Should we have already-cooked chili or ice cream for dinner?

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  31. Just got back from a pleasant visit with D2 and her husband and 8 month old. We sat outside in the shade for three hours. It was warm (~90ยฐ), but not unpleasant weather. Can’t wait to be allowed to hold that grandchild. D2 and her husband were strict about holding her before the COVID lockdown. Now we can’t get within 6 feet of her.

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  32. Everybody gets to hold my eight month old granddaughter. She gets passed around everywhere. This morning, mommy took her to set up for a wedding in the next county over (where covid is denied, believers ridiculed, and their rate is much higher than ours). Yesterday, the swimming pool and store. Thrift shops, church, VFW, American Legion, stacking firewood, pulling weeds. The child goes and goes. The fact that she is so adorable and so sweet tempered except when she is not, helps with that. However…..

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  33. Haha, kathaleena, right?

    I put it aside, kept thinking “oh, right, I have to fill that out.”

    So now I have census workers stalking me and turning up on my doorstep.

    Serves me right.

    It made me think of my former boyfriend’s story about his dad (Italian family) who, when they’d just moved in and the local priest was knocking on their door for a welcome visit, managed to crawl out the back bedroom window.

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  34. I took my “cool-down” drive up the coast into the “South Bay,” very refreshing but outdoor temps weren’t a lot cooler up there today. But lots of surfers and cyclists along the waterfront. Drove home around the perimeter of the PV Peninsula (Kim was there!), the cliffs and ocean are always gorgeous.

    It’s still in the high 80s here in coastal LA/San Pedro, house feels steamy. But the time spent in the Jeep’s A/C did help, it gave my body and mind a needed break.

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  35. I did stop at the store and pick up the makings for homemade “subs” that should last a while — cold cuts, rolls, mustard, Mayo, pickles, lettuce, even some red wine vinegar.

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  36. I had a bowl of oatmeal, raisins, apricot/applesauce, plain yogurt, cinnamon and ginger for dinner while Art had bean lomein (which I had for lunch with my brother). My dinner was very good although it sounds more like breakfast. Actually I skipped breakfast so I made up for ithat tonight.

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  37. I had my homemade sub followed by a dessert of fresh-cut watermelon and cantaloupe chunks.

    Walked the dogs tonight (yay!), only went about 4 block lengths but we’re hopefully back “at it” and we can get back to a more usual route in time.

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  38. It used to be that Sunday was a special day. I had a lesson to teach, worship to attend. Going out to lunch. (Making someone else work on Sunday.) Coming home and reading or otherwise relaxing.
    Today? Just the same-ol same-ol.

    Sorry to wake you up with such a cheerry thought. But that’s the way it is out there too. Waking up to a man saying Gulf coastal areas are getting two hurricanes. But not at Kim’s house.
    Cloudy and damp. Not rainy, not sunny, just Yucky.
    I from the clips that you had a nice evening last night.
    I’m glad you did.

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  39. We’re going to the park again. Mrs L thinks it a bit chilly right now (~70ยฐ), but I reminded her that it is not too hot. The meeting is in an hour, so it will probably be in the low 80s by then. Still, with a breeze that’s comfortable.

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  40. I did something I have never done before. I went to church and to work at the same time. There was no one booked when the city church service was live, so I turned it on and did paperwork at the same time. Things that were previously not possible.

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  41. We feel for you Pauline.

    We left our baby at college on Friday. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

    It was nice yesterday for Cheryl and I to spend some time together without the kid. But Mama broke down a little last night. She misses her baby. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ Me too.

    We are excited for her though, and we’ll adjust, but right now is a little tough.

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  42. Our (virtual) church service begins in about 90 minutes. I still consider Sunday a day set-apart, the virtual service has been a lifesaver for many of us. But I will be glad when in-person services are back.

    I’ve wanted to tune in also one of these days to the church where Alistair Begg preaches, maybe listen to that later in the day on Sunday. I enjoy his daily devotionals he sends out.

    Well, they are back, but complicated just right now for me. My knee is better so that’s a big advantage, but my church is doing only indoor services which is in violation of the current county order for outdoor services only; so I am thinking of going to our sister church, which is an option for us, as they meet outdoors. It’s a bit closer to me and is the church I belonged to for a number of years before I transferred to my current church.

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  43. Chas, I’m still curious why you don’t take advantage of the virtual services. Is it a computer issue or just “not the same” and not compelling enough?

    I guess I’ve always loved the preaching and teaching I receive at our church, so I’m always pretty ‘into’ it, I print out the sermon notes, follow along with my Bible and a pencil close at hand.

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  44. But I can understand how the ritual aspect of it, also — getting up, getting dressed up, etc., which has not been as central to me as a single living in very casual California where getting dressed up is not often observed by us — can make it feel like a lot is lost right now.

    God’s people in the wilderness, in some ways.

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  45. Donna. One of the reasons is that I don’t know what a “virtual service” is. Our church has an eleven o’clock repeat of the 9:00 service. But I can’t get it.

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  46. I was talking with Chuck a while ago and he reached into his pocket, pulled out his phone and said, “JFK was nominated on July (??) i960. ” OK

    Then. later, I happened to think of that. It happened once before on another subject. Chuck has all the information in the world on his phone.
    What does that mean? It means you don’t have to know anything anymore. all the facts you learned in your history class are useless. They are in your pocket.
    I know GD, Mary, has Alexa. It sits in her room and she can ask questions. But Alexa listens to you. I don’t have any secrets, but I still don’t like it.
    QOD. What do history teachers teach now?

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  47. They teach social behavior and what is acceptable and what is not but without God interfering. It has become every body does what is right in their own eyes.

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  48. Chas, I have the Bible on my phone but that is not enough. I need God’s word stored in my heart, the sword ready whenever needed immediately. It is still important to know history because some are bent on erasing it. Remember those who say there was no Holocaust? One day some here will deny there was ever a Constitution because it was just a daydream of some white men. Out of sight, out of mind, and those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it. Very sad situation. At least with some schools shut down, more children will have a chance to get Christian homeschool curriculum that has not been infiltrated by those who want to rewrite history.

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  49. Well it is afternoon! We went to the 8:30 service believing it would be the least attended. And we were correct. Not many there so we were safely โ€œsocial distancedโ€. The message was relevant t the day in which we live. Then we had the business meeting between service times and voted on a new elder. We voted by phone not paper ballots…that was something new!
    It is 86 degrees here with smoke filling the air. It causes my eyes to itch and water so I am in the house for the day…I may go to my sewing room and do a little stitching and talk with the Lord all the while…heading over to the prayer thread…

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  50. However, one of the many blessings of the whole covid thing is that more people can homeschool and they are learning that there is a lot of good teaching material available and can teach the children some truth. Things like: you were created for a purpose. You have value. You are made in the image of God. God has been involved in history. People are sinners and nobody is perfect. We need to learn from it.

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  51. And the stuff at our finger tips? Not necessarily accurate. Check and recheck and use trusted sources. People can say about anything on the internet.

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  52. Chas, I have the Bible on my phone but that is not enough. I need God’s word stored in my heart, the sword ready whenever needed immediately. It is still important to know history because some are bent on erasing it. Remember those who say there was no Holocaust? One day they will deny there was ever a Constitution because it was just a daydream of some white men. Out of sight, out of mind, and those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it. Very sad situation.

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  53. At our school the history teachers teach history. The textbooks are falling apart, since they are at least 20 years old. It’s the students that don’t care, unless they can see some relevance to their entertainment centered lives. If there isn’t an entertainment value, they tone out. In that way, I think “educational” children’s TV has ruined education at school.

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  54. We had communion today at our outdoor service. I wore my mask the entire time–other than singing and communion–because the air is smokey. It’s okay right now, but will soon go into unhealthy.

    It was the first time to have communion since March 8. I had tears in my eyes when the elder made the sign of the cross before me after I took the elements. This is the longest I’ve willingly gone without communion since I became a believer.

    I’m taking the rest of the afternoon off to read, relax and watch a few things.

    Nothing new happened with fires last night; they’re holding the lines. We are under a red flag warning that went into effect at 5 am and goes through 5pm tomorrow.

    There’s a storm sitting offshore somewhere and everyone is on edge about dry lightning strikes (which caused several of the current fires) and wind.

    So far, the Lord is answering prayer and the weather hasn’t materialized. Sky out my window–which was blueish when I sat down for Zoom Sunday school (and cannot get my mic to work, so I typed all my comments!), is now brown-gray with filtered light. I don’t like it.

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  55. It’s been that long for me, too, michelle (re communion).

    They said today that about 1/3-1/2 of our church is still attending only via online but that most of those are in the high-risk category. That doesn’t particularly apply to me, in my case it was the knee injury but also the covid # hikes that have left me feeling it makes the most sense, for now.

    Now it’s the health order that I’m bothered by (and the fact that we’re not abiding by that). But we were reminded also today how difficult this period has been for our elders and pastor who also are called upon, of course, to minister to those who are marrying, giving brith, mourning and are ill. Life goes on, the celebrations and the losses.

    The church is holding an impromptu picnic at the beach this afternoon.

    So Chas, sounds like yours is a computer issue (with regard to missing the Sunday online services)? If you have an older computer, that may be the problem.

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  56. We sometimes get that eery “yellow” tinge to our sky late in the day, it casts a strange color over everything.

    Another uncomfortably too-warm day here today.

    This is one of those l-o-n-g heatwaves that you figure just might not ever end, so you quit fretting (grumbling?) about it so much eventually.

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  57. My legs are all itchy with mosquito bites. And I heard awhile back that West Nile is still an issue although much dwarfed by Covid. It would be horrid to have both at the same time. I heard that the man in our congregation who had Covid is well and seems to have no lasting effects. I think he is mid seventies in age.

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  58. Chas, history teachers teach history. I have taken a high school and two university level courses in history, it was just history. University history teaches you to go to the source material. A lot of those simplified primary grade history lessons do not tell the whole story. The source material shows a much more complex picture more complex and there aren’t really any heroes. After all, the Bible doesn’t give any heroes outside of Christ either – all the rest are flawed. Why should the figures of history be any different?

    I don’t put much stock in those kind of polls that report “70 percent of (younger generation) couldn’t tell the significance of (historical event). It all depends on how the question was worded, and unless that is known, how do we know whether the question was simple enough to be answered. Suppose someone walked up to you and asked “Can you sum up the significance of WWI to the Americans in 10 words.” Would you be able to do it? Many people, myself included, get the deer in the headlights effect when put on the spot. A lot of those polls are just used to manufacture horror/outrage at something that really is not anymore of a problem than it always has been
    Plenty of former generations didn’t enjoy learning history any more than the current one.

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  59. I don’t think anyone does not want historical figures to be shown with no flaws. Only pointing out flaws or exaggerating them is another thing. Taking it all out of context is another error that is done all the time. I am all for primary sources. Elementary students are not going to spend a lot of time on that. High school should be more. University, no doubt. If that were what were happening, the teaching would not be what we hear from people taking the classes or in the media, however. I, frankly, am horrified of what a young man we know who immigrated from Ethiopia learn was our United States history. It is just wrong.

    My husband and I met in a college history class and it was his major. History is like all other study areas; some like it and some hate it and all in between. We still enjoy it.

    I do agree, though, that most of us aren’t going to necessarily answer some history question out of the blue with a mic in our face.

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  60. I do not think Columbus’s flaws, for example, are taken out of context. Rather, his accomplishments are being put into context, the actual context of his times and not the hagiographical context of later centuries that only portrayed his heroism. Columbus’s own contemporaries debated the morality of the actions being taken, and the Valladolid debate, between those for the Spanish colonization and conquest of the New World and those who argued the Spanish had no right to seize the possessions of the previous inhabitants of the New World actually did take place. In every age, in every country whether it is slavery, colonization, racism, etc. there were always people who stood up against the injustice at the time it was happening and called it wrong. Right and wrong have always been and will always be right and wrong. See also Romans 3.

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  61. P.S. I first learned of Columbus’s flaws through some Christian homeschooling material (not ATI). All the secular source accounts I had read hitherto had left out the flaws.

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  62. Michelle, when I was in Chicago, in my last house, I lived one block from church, and our church sometimes had recent college graduates as interns working with the youth. I usually boarded the women. Sweet young women, but sometimes clueless about how things worked.

    One day I was getting ready to leave for work, and I realized I heard the space heater running. I glanced into my housemate’s room to find her asleep in bed . . . and beside her bed was a wooden chair, with a doubled-over bed pillow on it, and on top of that the space heater, on high, aimed toward her bed! I’m sure it was cozy, but . . . yikes! I tiptoed in, turned it off, and unplugged it. Then I left a note on the bathroom sink where she’d be sure to find it.

    When she woke up later, and didn’t hear the space heater running, she forgot it was there and tripped over the cord, knocking my space heater to the floor and cracking it. (I found that out only when I went to use it another time and asked her if she knew why it was cracked. Oh, it must have been that morning when I tripped over the cord and it fell . . . )

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  63. Of course the flaws should be told. But saying that everything this person did or said was bad because of some aspect rather than the whole, takes away from the truth.

    My first real run in with this was about twenty five years ago when the neighbor children came over and told me Columbus was bad and the Puritans were evil because they kicked a guy out of their settlement.

    Saying that Columbus had bad motives or was wrong in this area or that does not diminish what he did. Simply points out his humanity.

    I do think people saying that the whole thing was wrong, while continuing to live in this hemisphere is wrong. Unless they have absolute proof that none of their ancestors took advantage of earlier inhabitants, and they are not living on any piece of land previously claimed by another. Of course, it happened everywhere so they best head out to the moon.

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  64. “I completed my census form.”

    Uh…….

    A little late, no? ๐Ÿ™‚

    Census Day was April 1st. ๐Ÿ™‚

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  65. Chas – I have read that when books started becoming more available to ordinary people, the older folks complained that young people wouldn’t memorize facts and dates and such anymore, since they could just look them up in a book. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Peter – I think high school kids have always at least acted like they don’t care about history, or anything else they are learning. But somehow it does get in, like the little kids who color during church service, seeming to not be paying attention, but later say something that reveals that they were listening after all.

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  66. Mumsee, I think they way the land was taken was wrong, and I continue to live here as I was born here and have nowhere else to go. The First Nations people do not necessarily want us to leave, they want us to honour our word to them, which we have not hitherto. But acknowledging the wrong at least some of my ancestors did (I know more about them than many people, but not everything) does not take away my citizenship of this country. After all, people born in a place like Germany are not expected to leave because they think Germany’s colonization, imperial expansion, and crimes during the Nazi era were wrong. The first thing I remember learning about our first Prime Minister, other than that he was the first, was that he was an alcoholic, and that was from something my mother said. We Canadians have never really regarded our Father’s of Confederation as heroes, just men who got the job done. About the only one who is at all revered was Darcy McGee, and that is because he was murdered by the Fenians (Irish separatists and Mafia-like) because he refused to support them. We are used to ambivalence toward our history and do not fear the country will fall apart because we do not revere the first Canadians.

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  67. I don’t want them revered. I want them appreciated: for what they did and who they were and the challenges that abounded. They are part of our history, not gods, and we need to learn from their experience. By saying they were all evil and we need to make reparations, that could go back a very long time. Historically, that has been going on since Genesis.

    Here in my neck of the woods, to honor the original treaty, Almost all white people, Asians, hispanics, or blacks in Idaho would need to move as it was mostly given to the people who already lived here. But then, were they the originals or did they nudge somebody else out?

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  68. I see most of that through a more neutral lens. I happened the way it happened, in another time and place when the world was very different.

    Doesn’t excuse any sin (which is the same in all times), but there is a context that perhaps we don’t fully understand or comprehend from this side of history.

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