69 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 4-22-20

  1. Morning! And Happy Birthday Bob Buckles! 🎂
    I have had my first cup of coffee and it still remains dark out in this forest. The Lord has heard your names brought before Him this morning and especially Ann as she fights this virus…keeping her close in my heart and in prayer before Him… ❤️

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  2. I know we don’t have Rants & Raves on Wednesday.
    Just the same:

    I remember the time when I didn’t have time to do everything I needed to do.
    Now I have time on my hands and nothing to do.

    Which is best? On reflection, everything I needed to do, got done.

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  3. Reading in Job this morning, do you think Job actually appeared to Job and his friends, spoke audibly to them? Did they fall over in fear?

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  4. Good Morning Everyone.
    I got an early start to my day. Mr. P and Little Miss are watching Golic and Wingo and she is “vacuuming” the kitchen and living room.
    I got out of the house yesterday for a few hours. My friend M had grown some sprouts to share, then she needed to go get 35mm film for her daughter’s birthday present today, so we ended up at Target then at Dollar Tree. Shhhh. Someone would not be happy I was out and about. First time EVER there was no waiting in the 2 lines Target had open. Little Miss got a new swim suit and hat, which poses a problem of how I am going to introduce it into the house. 😉

    While it seems we have been quarantined forever, the days have been short and I haven’t accomplished all I set out to do. I am on Book 2 of my Australian WWII/ 1990’s series. I have a suspicion now of who “Jack” really is. There are 4 books in the series..
    Off to work now.

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  5. Mumsee: The assessment about Job at Southwestern Seminary is that it is not really an event, but a play.s.
    The tip-off, to many professors, is the ending..
    Job ended with exactly twice as much of everything.
    It is a story of trust and perseverance when everyone and everything seems against you.
    Rear Adm.Jim Stockdale, a former POW in Vietnam, claimed it as his favorite scripture. He said it helped him survive his imprisonment.
    It was required reading in his course.
    Stockdale was president of the Naval War College. He taught a course.

    Me? I don’t know. I’m inclined to agree with the professors. Real life doesn’t work that way.

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  6. It’s hard to know if the story of Job is actual or not. If actual, who are we to say God didn’t appear to them? And why could not God give Job exactly double what he had before? To say God couldn’t is to limit God’s power.

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  7. Job is real. The names of his friends should be a tip off of that, as they are from real Semetic tribes, descended from the patriarchs, and the tribes who are named as having raided Job are real too. Furthermore, the Bible uses metaphor, illustration, parable, yes, but it always tells us that it is doing so. The line between real happenings and literary imaginings is always maintained. Job uses poetry extensively, which may give a slight feeling of unreality, but, anyone who has observed Arabian and Eastern culture knows that the ability to incorporate poetry into one’s speech is considered the highest of intellectual gifts in such cultures, and Job is spoken of as being a highly respected man. Besides, the prophets continually spoke in poetry, with most of Isaiah and Jeremiah, not to mention large portions of Ezekiel and Zechariah (Daniel was more prosaic) being poetic prophecy. What is the point of telling Job’s story if he wasn’t real? His was a story to encourage faith, even in seemingly meaningless trials, in a God who works everything out for good. If he was fictional, how can we relate? Finally, his book is treated as real by the rest of Scripture. From a literary critical view, Job is the origin book of Hebrew and Semetic poetry. The Psalms quote from Job, extending thoughts and reshaping lines from it, as if the lessons learned about God by Job were real experiences. Do not forget that the primary character in Job is God, and if it is fiction, then the words God speaks are made up, but no parable in the Bible ever puts words in God’s mouth – in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, words are put in Abraham’s mouth, but not God’s. The New Testament also bears witness. Where do you think Paul’s assertion that we know that all things work together for good to them that love God came from? James, the Lord’s brother, is even more explicit: “See, we count as blessed those who have endured. You have heard of Job’s endurance and have seen the outcome from the Lord. The Lord is very compassionate and merciful.” (James 4:11)

    Pastor A used to quip that seminary was cemetery, as he deplored the liberal scholarship that was constantly creeping into institutions that claimed to have a conservative interpretation of Scripture. When I considered attending a certain seminary for a certificate in Christian ministry, he did not object and even gave me a reference, but, when I was unable to attend due to finances, he confided that he was relieved, as he had feared for how the seminary could have damaged my faith. As I read and hear more from those from all the orthodox denominations who are considered conservative in their interpretations of Scripture, I find it constantly a source of amazement that they carelessly repeat skepticism of certain passages of Scripture, a skepticism that once only liberal sources put forth. Everytime they do so, I go back to the Bible and look for myself, and seldom do I see their point, even taking into consideration the question of aspects such as manuscripts. The internal evidence for the traditional view is almost always much stronger than the external modern objection.

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  8. That still leaves my question, Roscuro, though poorly worded as I left out God and inserted Job. Did they react with fear and trembling? Like everybody else seems to have done?

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  9. Revelation 17 opening commentary in Enduring Word. I thought this was interesting:

    1. Revelation 16:19 and 14:8 have already declared Babylon’s fall. In Revelation 17 and 18, the fall of Babylon is carefully detailed.
    2. Babylon is mentioned 287 times in the Scriptures, more than any other city except Jerusalem.
    a. Babylon was a literal city on the Euphrates River. Genesis 11:1-10 shows that right after the flood, Babylon “was the seat of the civilization that expressed organized hostility to God.” (Tenney)

    b. Babylon was later the capitol of the empire that cruelly conquered Judah. “Babylon, to them (the Jews), was the essence of all evil, the embodiment of cruelty, the foe of God’s people, and the lasting type of sin, carnality, lust and greed.” (Tenney)

    c. To those familiar with the Old Testament, the name Babylon is associated with organized idolatry, blasphemy and the persecution of God’s people.

    i. “In John’s day Rome epitomized all the antagonism and opposition to the Christian faith.” (Mounce) In some ways, the city of Rome was the clearest fulfillment of the Babylon attitude. If we had to pick one city today that most exemplifies the world system, perhaps we would say that Los Angeles is the Babylon of today.

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  10. Mumsee, the whirlwind bears a close resemblance to another Old Testament appearance of God, that of the pillar of smoke. Yes, God did speak to them. Justin Martyr, in his debate with the Jewish philosopher Trypho’, pointed out that all the physical appearances of God were appearances of God the Son, and that is the orthodox Scriptural interpretation of the Old Testament, including the appearance of God in the whirlwind. Job is a man of faith, a man of God, a prophet, called by God “my servant Job”, and like Abraham, Moses, Elijah, and the prophets, had the privilege of speaking directly to God. Job’s friends were obviously intimidated by what they heard, since they sacrificed as God instructed them to. Job was not the only non-Jewish worshipper of God who appears in the time of the patriarchs, before Moses recieved the law. There is an even more mysterious non-Jewish figure who worships God. The king of Salem, Melchizedek, who is called a priest of the most high God. He has an even more obscure backstory than Job, but few dare to question his existence, because of what Hebrews 7:1-3 says about the reasons for that obscurity.

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  11. Michelle, Peter addresses ‘the church that is at Babylon’, in his first letter. The kingdoms of the earth and political power, as Satan observes to Jesus during his temptation, are within the purvey of demonic power. It is no coincidence that the beast that foreshadows Rome’s political might in Daniel makes a reappearance in Revelation. As Nebuchadnezzar’s vision of the statue foretold, the kingdom of iron, which was Rome, would be followed by many other kingdoms which had Rome’s iron mixed with clay, partly strong and partly broken. All worldy political systems are ultimately backed by evil, that is why no Empire, no colonizing power, no political force in history is without human blood on its hands. But as Nebuchadnezzar, who, as the world’s most powerful political rulers saw and learned to acknowledged, the evil behind political forces is no match for the goodness of God. The stone not made with hands smashed the entire statue of power. Babylon and Rome were both destroyed, so while they remain a literary illusion to the evil of worldly power, they themselves no longer exist (contrary to certain conspiracy theories). The beast of political power that backed Rome endures, because it is an angel and thus cannot cease to exist, but it has already been conquered by the King of Kings.

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  12. I need coffee. But look, it’s already Wednesday, how can that be?

    I’m doing a story today on a new 8-story apartment development planned for one of the corners that was destroyed in the 1970s/’80s to make way for ugly city redevelopment buildings. No one will shed a tear to see those swept away, but a friend at the historical society has provided me with some awesome photos of what was there BEFORE all that.

    No one today, of course, can figure out why people tore down what now would be a very cool historic waterfront district. Sigh.

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  13. Progress! That area was such an awful blight–I was never allowed to walk below Gaffey, and only gingerly anywhere near Pacific as a young teenager.

    (Then my father bought a building on 6th Street and shared the parking lot with the News Pilot. We could wander a little more, then.)

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  14. I went to Publix this morning just after 7 a.m. and spent almost an hour and a half stocking up. I went to the larger store rather than our smaller neighborhood store. The small one is five minutes away and the other about eight minutes drive time. It took longer when I did not know where to find things. I really did not like wearing a mask and got rid of my fogged up glasses before I even left home for the store. I did not need to add that to my poor eyesight. I had not paid attention that the store expects people to follow a one way path through the store. Someone corrected me on that, so I complied but felt a bit embarrassed. I had no idea grocery shopping had changed that much. I found only a few boxes of Kleenex but no other paper products.

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  15. Well, ok, it was pretty bad from all I’ve heard. But rehabbed and spruced up? With some flower baskets hanging from the light poles? It could have been a wonderful tourist spot had there been the vision … But, of course, back then “redevelopment” in government minds meant razing it and building “new” (ugly, cookie-cutter) buildings that had very little architectural interest at all.

    From what I can tell, however, it seems most of the population was sold on the redevelopment idea at the time — because it would instantly get rid of what was considered a blighted area.

    So maybe it was inevitable, but when you look back at some of the great old buildings … boo-hoo. We’re lucky there are as many left as there are, the city must have run out of money 🙂

    Which reminds me, HBO’s Perry Mason series arrives in June, much of it was filmed on our older remaining downtown blocks (the series is set in the ’30s).

    Today is Earth Day, I wish I’d planned it better, would have been a good day to run the coyote story I hoped to do but hadn’t gotten to yet.

    From World Magazine this morning:

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    Earth Day celebrated with pandemic twist
    Coyotes roamed Chicago’s Michigan Avenue, and monkeys in India entered homes to look for food. Earth Day’s 50th anniversary arrived today in the middle of global shutdowns for the coronavirus pandemic, and increased animal sightings weren’t the only environmental side effect of humans staying indoors. Compared to the last five years, Paris had 49 percent less air pollution in March, and levels of smog in Los Angeles were down by 29 percent, according to NASA measurements.

    How are people celebrating Earth Day? The Washington National Cathedral scheduled a Facebook live event this evening on healing the earth. Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and a WORLD News Group board member, said Christians can recognize the importance of protecting Earth without believing humans are a blight: “We understand as Christians that we will give an answer to the Lord either for not using the resources that He has given us or for using them in a wasteful or destructive manner. Stewardship does not mean non-use. It means wise use.”
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    And a World article link:

    Our dependency upon creation
    With COVID-19, we can no longer imagine we are separate from the earth

    https://world.wng.org/2020/04/our_dependency_upon_creation

    ~ In truth, we are no more vulnerable now than we were in November, we are just more aware of it. We continually depend on our relationship to the earth and to each other, but it was easier for us to pretend otherwise six months ago. We are always tempted to ignore our need for others. We love the myth of “independence.” Circumstances like this remind us that part of being human is that God designed us to live in relation to—which includes healthy dependence on—God, neighbor, earth, and self. Tragically, sin has affected all four of these relationships, so that rather than loving God, we harden our hearts toward him. And rather than loving our neighbors, we often view them as competition, or a burden, or at least a complication to avoid.

    In contrast, the gospel tells us that, precisely because Jesus Christ has united us to Himself in love, we also respond in love both to Him and to our neighbor. In evangelical circles, however, those are often the only two relationships we are comfortable thinking about. Yet sin has affected not just how we relate to God and our neighbor but also to the rest of creation and even to ourselves. ~
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  16. I think I missed the one-way aisle cues last time I went also. What have we come to?

    Still looking for Scott toilet paper …

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  17. Michelle, thanks. But I don’t see how a change of command fits with Job and his friends. The other two were spot on.

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  18. Another tidbit from World’s managing editor:

    ~ I’ve learned over the past couple of weeks that readers of The Sift are not much for complaining. You’ve responded positively to questions I’ve asked concerning what you want to remember from this pandemic and what you have had to wait for during this time of isolation. I’ll close today with these words from reader Jim Schultz: “Waiting is God-ordained; it is a call to listen to what He has to say. It is an opportunity to spend more time in His Word and to commune with Him. It is a time to rejoice in the fact that He is sovereign; He has not been caught by surprise; He knows, and He never makes a mistake.” ~

    Lynde Langdon
    WORLD Digital’s managing editor

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  19. I’m bad. I had a 40 minute zoom meeting and some talked way too much for me. So they didn’t finish and decided to start a new meeting to finish up. Not me, that was enough.

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  20. DJ, let me know if you get desperate. I have 60 rolls. NOT because I am a hoarder, my stepmother and I have a competition to see who can buy it the cheapest and who has the most rolls. That, and because Mr. P is a man of excess when making purchases.

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  21. So I ventured over to Sam’s this morning after dropping off something at the post office. It was “old people” shopping time and I went in easily. When I left there was a line of 30 or so people outside waiting to get in. I had a scarf around my neck at the ready if I should need to cover my face but I didn’t need to do so. I then stopped at King Soopers quickly to grab some cream and raisin bread before returning home. As I went by the produce section a fella growled at me saying “maaaask”!!! I was not the only person not wearing a face covering but I suppose I was the luckily one to be the target of his angst….I just looked at him and smiled. Come on..if he has a mask on is he going to catch my cooties ( I don’t have cooties!!) …and I only ran in there for two things and did the quick self check out….I gotta breathe and I was at least 10 ft away from him not even going in the same direction! I don’t like all this…I don’t like it at all! And we don’t have a special direction we must go in our grocery…yet…. 😳

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  22. I’m a stock-up buyer. Don’t buy tuna because you need it; buy it on sale and get six or eight cans. If you realize you’re down to two or three, keep your eyes open for it to be on sale. If you must buy it and it’s not on sale, then buy two cans: one for now and one for the pantry. And don’t use that last can until you get more on sale, if at all possible.

    So, I’m pleased that my freezer still has several pounds of butter from last fall, our hall closet still has toilet paper from CVS relentlessly sending us coupons for 40% off one item through the winter, and overall we just need new infusions of eggs, produce, and a few other things. I have several pounds of chocolate chips, though I would have run out of brown sugar with just one more batch of cookies (so that made it to the last shopping list).

    The last time I went shopping, I basically grabbed one of everything I saw that we use, even if it wasn’t on the list yet. When someone from church volunteered to do our shopping, it was nice not to need to ask him to buy cleaning supplies, paper products, rice, or any of the other things people are buying in quantity. (Another month and rice could go back on the list, but I haven’t done my own shopping in well over a month, so it’s inevitable that we will eventually run low on some things.)

    I suspect that after this is over, there will be a lot more people who never wait till the last two rolls to buy toilet paper or the last stick to buy butter.

    The one thing I do miss is buying my own produce. I love the summer months when new fruits keep getting added and you watch the cherries to see if they’re cheap enough yet and the apricots to see if they’re good . . . but for now, we still need to rely on someone else. And so I’ll rejoice that I can still get fresh fruit (even if I can’t choose it myself) and that someone cares enough to volunteer to help us in this way.

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  23. Mask wearing Tip from an asthmatic who, as a child could not endure even a scarf over her nose and mouth and found those wide brimmed hats with mosquito net veils absolutely suffocating and found screened in porches sufgicating, but who learned to wear a surgical mask for eight hours a day in the operating room: keep calm, breathe slowly, tell yourself it is possible to breathe, and then concentrate on whatever you have to do. It is possible to adjust. I even learned to sleep under a bed net in peace and comfort, despite my previous inability to endure netting between me and the open air.

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  24. Nancy Jill, what they’re saying about masks (except the N-95 or whatever it is) is that it mostly doesn’t protect the person wearing it, but it protects other people from that person. So a couple months ago when I went to CVS to get my husband’s Theraflu, and I had the flu myself, I wore a mask. And when the lady at the pharmacy at the second store (it got transferred from the store near us) that I was sick, too, thinking that they might actually speed up the processing for a customer who acknowledged being sick and who was wearing a mask, it did no good. Her “twenty minutes more” turned into about 40. I suspect that in the future, a masked, sick customer might get faster attention.

    I haven’t been inside any building but my home since they started saying to wear masks in public. I do see people out walking and biking wearing masks, but since I’m keeping at least 10 feet away from other people, that seems unnecessary.

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  25. Luckily I always by the 20-roll pack of Scott toilet paper (it’s a single-ply, old-plumbing friendly brand) so I’ve been able to be fine. I just figure why buy that more often than you have to?

    I finally counted up all the rolls I have left in both bathrooms and the bag — there’s 1 new roll left in the bag, 1 partial roll and 3 new rolls in the small bathroom and 3 rolls in the main bathroom. I’m fine, but am starting to “hunt.”

    I just checked Home Depot which confirmed there are no Scott toilet paper rolls available in stores within a 100-mile radius of my house. I’ve signed up for Walmart’s “in stock” alert for the item. I called Smart N Final who told me they have “no” TP of any kind; they get deliveries on Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays, be there by 6 a.m. if you want some, but no guarantees of brands.

    6 a.m.?

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  26. And masks are added protection in cases where someone may have the virus but have no symptoms (and not know they’re sick).

    But yes, I find them very stifling as well and pull mine off as soon as I get outside of a store. Out here it’s a law now, I believe, that you have to wear one if you enter.

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  27. I ordered a things a ma jig for my Surface Pro (I’m still not in love) so that I can use my mouse AND hook up to an additional monitor from Amazon. With Prime it will be here May 12th.

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  28. I should have looked for one yesterday, but I had ordered it the night before and didn’t know they weren’t shipping non-essential items right now.

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  29. https://www.google.com/search?q=parent+roll+toilet+paper&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=gfojrA_-pXsJ0M%253A%252CsXdRUnVSyvRegM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRa8TMmzZazAZWSIif4rG-xRVRFmA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwitkpqS6_zoAhUQT6wKHY5BBPoQ9QEwC3oECAoQFg#imgrc=gfojrA_-pXsJ0M:

    Perhaps we should look into buying a few of these but at 110 to 440 pounds per roll it might be expensive. In my search for the photos above I did find some washable toilet paper on Etsy…that’s disgusting!!!!

    I think you know that my dad was retired from Scott Paper. He was there for 32 years. He retired in March of 1994. He wasn’t happy about it. He got a back channel message that if he didn’t take the early retirement they were offering the next package wouldn’t be as good. Once he was retired he took to it like a duck to water. 😉

    I remember as a small child him coming home and telling Mother about one of those giant rolls falling or rolling and crushing someone. The story I remember most is that one fell on a man and he was alive, but he was so crushed internally that when they lifted the roll he would bleed out. His son worked in another area of the mill and was there that night. They got him to come over and he sat with his father until it was over. Now that I am telling you that story I understand why he may have made sure I worked in the Pulp Mill not the Tissue Mill the summer I got to work 89 days at Union Wages.

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  30. I think if I worked in a setting where I had to wear a mask all the time, I’d hunt high and low for a shield. My husband says we have a dirty one in the garage that he uses while sanding. All I’d have to do is clean it–and then, no worries about fogging the glasses!

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  31. Just in from my post-lunch walk. I had to stop twice I got so hot wearing a black t-shirt and jeans. I’m now in a tank top and shorts. Could that be summer outside?

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  32. I am packing up my winter clothes ready to put back in storage. Especially since I do not know where I may be going.

    Part of the news today makes me glad that I had a polio booster recently.

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  33. Neighbor and I just returned from our walk. It was windy when we headed out, then it rained on us, then the sun returned and by the time we got home, no wind, no rain and we were hot! Sheesh! My hair is making me crazy and I almost asked my husband to cut off the back of it this morning…but I resisted in hopes my gal will return next week and I can secure an appointment quickly!

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  34. Nightingale’s good stethoscope broke today. She has a so-so one at work that she can use, but I ordered a new good one for her. It will be a birthday present from Boy and me.

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  35. Yep, it’s 77 here, sunny and quite toasty; we’re not getting our usual cool, southerly/ocean breeze. But I still have the window open and am sitting at the table in front of it, ever hopeful.

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  36. Yes, a polio booster. There was polio outbreak in PNG a couple of years ago. They had quick vaccinating when it was said the disease was wiped out. So they had to begin from scratch. As we may have been exposed they required us to have an update. We had to get the shot as they reserved the oral vaccine for the villagers.

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  37. Jo, the oral vaccine is not usually used here anyway. There are some safety concerns with it, as it is only a weakened virus, not an inactivated one like the injection. I suppose it is being used in developing countries because they think people will be more likely to take it by mouth, but it has been known to mutate and become active, so I wish they would stop using it.

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  38. I have accomplished absolutely nothing today. I may quit.

    Oh, wait, my husband was able to get LOGOS to download. Then it didn’t have what I was looking for.

    I am quitting. See you tomorrow.

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  39. I think that’s how my friend got the ‘touch’ of polio that left her with a limp the rest of her life. 😦

    I was talking to another neighbor who called from around the corner last night, she was telling me about the polio quarantine they were under in the late ’40s/early ’50s when she was a child growing up in Minnesota.

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  40. Some young, fresh (as in having a “fresh mouth”) whippersnapper must have written that, DJ. Many of the grandmas on this blog are on Facebook and we know the difference.

    However, I have seen women older than me, or brand new to Facebook, make similar mistakes. 🙂

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  41. My cousin made some mistakes that had her son shaking his head, I’m sure. (I could just tell by the way he commented to her. 🙂 )

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  42. I’m “of the age” too, just think it’s more about those who are accustomed to social media. I have an older friend who tends to do this, will post personal messages as a comment on a link — no biggie, just interesting 🙂

    Well, I feel stupid. I had ordered the companion lamp to the one I’ve had in my living room for a year now; it arrived today but when I opened the very snug box, there were two styrofoam panels wrapped with what *appeared to be* a packing cord holding it all in place.

    Turned out it was one of the electrical cords. Which I cut. Oy.

    They’re nice enough to replace it.

    So I guess that’s worse than posting a long personal message on FB for everyone to see? lol

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  43. But in my defense, why would you wrap part of the lamp on the outside of the packaging components rather than rolling it and putting it inside where all the other pieces were?

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