Our Daily Thread 6-15+16-19

Good Morning!

This weekend’s pics are from Cheryl.

 

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And a Happy Father’s Day to all the Dads out there.

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Anyone have a QoD?

 

 

96 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 6-15+16-19

  1. Morning all, though it is only mid afternoon here. Such a quiet day.
    I am sure that you all have lots happening. There is a square dance here tonight, but it is hard to do that alone. I got to facetime with a daughter today. Nice to see oldest grandson playing with the youngest two. They are all pals.

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  2. Good morning everyone but Jo.
    Everyone here was asleep when you posted that Jo.
    Now? Good night to you.
    Do they have mosquitoes in California? I don’t remember them in Texas. Nor Arabia.

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  3. Morning! We don’t have many mosquitoes in our neck of the woods…unless it gets rainy and the water puddles. After living in SC and FL I can endure the slight population we can get here!!
    I have degreased and washed down the grill so far this morning (the dogs awakened me at 4:30 so what else was I to do!!?) I am procrastinating in getting that glider put together. I did place all the parts on the garage floor and all are accounted for…now to get it assembled! 😏

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  4. I didn’t think of much when I saw the picture. I most likely would have thought of a boat and fishing.
    mosquitoes world rather have a can or other small container of whiter where no fish abide.

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  5. Good day all.

    I’m sitting on the porch of our rental, listening to the birds singing. Mourning doves, mocking birds, and sparrows, along with others I don’t recognize. No mosquitoes here unless one is near water.

    I just caught up on the threads I missed. Ironic that you were discussing snakes onTuesday. That’s the day e were hiking in New Mexico and a 5 foot king snake slithered out in front of us. I knew it was a harmless one, since it didn’t have a rattle and it’s head was not triangular in shape. But still a rather startling sight!

    To answer the question of my coming grandchild: it is Daughter #2 who is expecting, but they haven’t found out the gender yet. Or they are not telling anyone if they have.

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  6. Good morning, back from morning chores and my walk. Another half hour until wake everybody up time.

    We very rarely have mosquitoes, though there is a marsh right over there, lots of watering stations, and daughter decided to hook up the fountains somebody gave us when they were downsizing. She found one was not working right so she turned it off, though it was full of water. But we have a lot of birds, lots of swallows. They do a good job.

    But we are thinking of restocking our guineas as we are seeing more ticks this year. Of course, it was a wet spring.

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  7. Good morning! I was up before 6 a.m. and decided to pull bulky winter clothes from my closet so it went be so cramped. All the laundry I did yesterday was my prompt. Now I have done two more loads of laundry and have been working on my Ephesians Bible study for tomorrow.

    That pond needs a kayak.

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  8. Yes, we have mosquitoes in California, and deer ticks (carrying Lyme’s Disease), and rattle snakes and typhoid now in some parts of our beautiful state.

    We leave for home–an 80 minute drive–this morning. A good vacation.

    However, somehow I got tasked with filling up one of the two rented jet skis with gas.

    “Come on, Mom,” called my daughter from the other. “It’s easy. Like riding a motorcycle!”

    I’ve never ridden a motorcycle.

    But everyone else was inside for lunch. My son coached me through how to drive it. I turned it on and nearly ripped off the dock.

    He got me untied . . . and I white-knucled it for 20 horrible minutes across the lake. I could not manage to steer straight.

    But I made it to the dock on the other side of the lake. Somehow I landed on the beach properly, but wanted to call back to the house for someone else.

    No phone.

    Filled and pointed in the correct direction, I started off, but steered in circles before everyone on the beach . . .

    Eventually, I got it moving properly. My daughter circled around further off to keep entertained, but eventually I started heading in the correct direction. I sang “Amazing Grace,” to calm myself and then decided to channel my inner Lynn Vincent.

    The petite Lynn drives a “hog” in helmet and leathers (where was my helmet? Where were my lathers?).

    I can do it, too.

    I zoomed up the throttle.

    Yikes!

    I calmed to a stop in the middle of the lake. Took another deep breath and began humming Jesus Loves Me, instead.

    I made it back to the dock. My son had to toss me a rope and drag me to the pier, but I made it.

    Only my sandals got wet.

    I stopped shaking after an hour–and my hands may unclench soon . . . 🙂

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  9. I collapsed last night after a nearly 12-hour day of frantic craziness (on top of what was already a busy week). The county, which had been stringing us along all week saying they were on the verge of posting the long-awaiting city-comparison homeless numbers, finally put them up at 5:15 p.m. Friday and for the next 2-1/2 hour it was chaos as we all tried to make calls to city officials for reaction, figure out which cities had the biggest increases (we had to do the math but thankfully one of the reporters in LB is a math whiz so she jumped in on that end). All that after what already was a really long day with 3 other stories I had to write before all of that broke.

    Somehow I missed a call later last night from the senior editor, his voice mail seemed frantic, he was rattling off his number so fast I could hardly understand him. I texted him this morning to apologize for missing it and see if he still needed to talk to me. No word back yet. Our direct supervising editor sent out a very encouraging email last night also, praising everyone’s work under difficult circumstances on tight deadlines.

    I feel exhausted still but we did find someone else to cover the gay pride festival today so I’m grateful for that. I did two fairly meaty advance stories as it’s in my coverage area and part of my job — and it’s the first one ever in this community so was significant in that sense — but going to the event and covering the scene with all the drag queens was something I had no desire to do. One of our young part-timers (whom I sense also may be gay, I don’t know him well) is going and he seemed very enthused as it also meant some extra hours of pay for him. I sent him all the contact numbers late yesterday and he has the background from my earlier stories. I’m sure he’ll do the kind of story they want.

    Mosquitos, yes, but not like Iowa. 🙂 Last year we were hit with the tiny new “ankle biter” species of (aedes) mosquito that made everyone miserable (the bite reactions were so severe, I was told, because we have no immunity to them yet). I’ve already gotten one round of bites earlier this year and they weren’t nearly as awful as the several rounds I got last year so I think I built up at least some immunity to them.

    Michelle, my hat’s off to you for all those water exploits. You made a brief appearance in one of my dreams last night, we were at a church standing next to each other and singing. But I remember looking down and realizing I had on a cute new floral skirt — paired so wrongly with a striped t-shirt. Horrifying. But I kept on singing. There’s a spiritual message there somewhere …

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  10. I did it!! And I tightened all the screws and bolts with none left over…well I did have about 10 washers left over but they packed more than was listed on the parts list! It was a tad bit confusing at times but the diagram was not as well drawn as it should have been…in my estimation!! 😂

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  11. FB friend in next town over posted that a coyote came right up onto their front porch last night, setting her big dog (inside) off on a real growl fest at the screen door. Coyote left but I told her to be careful.

    She said she was surprised as her dog is very dog-friendly.

    But dogs know. These aren’t your normal “dogs.”

    We have a reappearance of bobcats on the peninsula also, apparently. They’d not been seen in a number of years.

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  12. Jo, the photo is especially for you. You asked to see a photo of the pond itself and not just small pieces of it. One red-winged blackbird is chasing another across it, adding a small touch of life. At times late last summer it dried up with big puddles here and there, but dry land across most of the area, but there is a beaver dam at the left edge now, so I suspect it should stay fuller for the time being.

    You can just see the grasses at the near edge. Last summer when the water level was low, a log at this edge tended to collect turtles. When the water is higher, that log is covered with water and the turtles have to find other spots to bask. When it was low, one day a great blue heron hunted just behind those grasses, close enough for me to get some decent shots. (I tend to stand on the sidewalk a few yards this side of the grasses, and higher than the pond, though this spring sometimes I have walked down nearer the pond edge sometimes.) The first pair of mating snapping turtles were right behind those grasses, and yesterday I accidentally spooked a family of wood ducks out of the grasses (I wasn’t even that close to them, and I didn’t see them at all until they jumped onto the pond to swim to the other side. Mother and five ducklings.) In summer (not yet this year) green herons like to hang out in the grass stems and fly from there to the trees at the left and out of the photo. To the left also, there is an area that is filled with high grass (inaccessible to people; there’s just no good way to get down there, and for all I know it’s trespassing, as some of this is old railroad property); red-winged blackbirds are nesting in there, and I have seen lots of other birds and a quick look one day at a weasel or some such small predator (it was being chased by a goose, so I didn’t get a good look). There’s a creek just beyond that, and I don’t know how the water of the pond is connected to the creek, if at all. The creek isn’t a great place for wildlife sightings (at least not at that spot), but the pond is.

    To the left of the grasses is an area where the water goes back farther, and a log or two in the water, and animals often hang out back there–but it’s too distant for my camera, so I miss a lot of good shots of turtles and green herons and kingfishers, though I can watch them a bit. I do best when the creatures are at the near edge or hanging out in the trees at the left side (I can watch those from a bridge that’s over to the left).

    This creek is exactly half a mile from my home, and when the trees on the right are without their leaves, through those trees you can see the businesses of the little set of stores set right there: a bank, a small grocery store, a pizza place, a burger joint, and more. Within walking distance (within half a mile or so from us) we have three pizza shops (!), none of which we have been into; two banks; two sit-down restaurants and several fast-food places; a drugstore; a small grocery store; an ice-cream shop, and a few other businesses.

    If you continue on the sidewalk past the pond, in just two or three minutes you come to a walking trail, with another one right across the street. They have different terrains and a slightly different mix of animals, and one has ponds and the other one has the creek. So I choose one the day after a rainy day (when the other will be muddy), the other when I’m looking for wildflowers and butterflies. Or I drive to one a bit farther away if I have time for a longer walk.

    I knew about the walking trails before we moved in, but didn’t have time to visit them right away. I didn’t know about the pond until we’d been here six weeks or so and I happened to walk over that way. You can’t really see it from the road (it’s a fair amount lower than the road, with the grasses growing in front of it), and anyway that road was closed for the first few weeks we lived here. It was a very sweet surprise to find it, and I have seen a lot of wildlife on or near it.

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  13. I’ve found a rustic log rocking chair I want to buy for my front porch. It’s $140 which isn’t bad (same cost on Amazon as online through the local hardware store). But you need to pay someone to put it together if you’re not Kare.

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  14. We had a post on one of our local FB community pages about whether people would like a Chic filet in town. Last I looked there were over 600 comments.

    “No!” (they discriminate against gays)

    “Yes!” (the food is good)

    On it went, back and forth. 🙂

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  15. I hate having parts left over. It makes me keep thing that I have done something wrong.

    RE: Michelle’s news letter, I used to sing “Jesus Loves Me” as a kid (1930’s), but I didn’t know it was that old.

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  16. Ah, now the thread is up to 760 comments (on Chick-fil-a).

    The latest two:

    please no. that’s an awkward question to ask during (our town’s) Pride week.

    Yes always fresh and tasty, they keep restaurants Immaculate. Very child friendly.

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  17. I hate it when people are misinformed about any organization, and spread the untruth in a nasty way. Chik-fil-a does not discriminate against anyone. The owners are Christian and expressed their Constitutional opinion against homosexual marriage. But I guess now-a-days expressing a non-PC opinion is the same as discrimination.

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  18. On a lighter note, Donna said this: “ I remember looking down and realizing I had on a cute new floral skirt — paired so wrongly with a striped t-shirt. Horrifying. But I kept on singing. There’s a spiritual message there somewhere …

    I think there is something in Leviticus about not yoking a donkey with an ox that might apply. Or the law about not wearing clothing of mixed materials.

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  19. The LBGT community is conducting this fight.
    Chick-fil-a is just trying to sell chicken.
    I think I told you this before. Several years ago they pronounced a boycott of Chick-fil-a.’
    In Hendersonville, NC, it was responded with lines and traffic tie-ups that they needed police directing traffic.
    When we got there, a little after four p.m. they were out of food.

    But they have good food and good service. My family patronizes them often.

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  20. Peter, I agree about the faulty “discrimination” opinion but there’s no changing some people’s minds and preconceived biases.

    A Chick-fil-a was proposed for a corner in my cousin’s neighborhood, north of me near the airport but also within the city of LA, and it was turned away by the councilman in the area (who is gay).

    As far as I know none is planned for our community although it would be interesting to see of the restaurant actually did try to open up a spot.

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  21. There were a couple near our former office, but I haven’t eaten there often. They do have good food, though.

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  22. The Chick-fil-a thing is another phase of the same battle.
    Two men want to marry. They search around until they find someone who will not bake a cake celebrating homosexual marriage.
    They take the baker to court.
    The objective is to get a Supreme Court ruling that a business cannot operate on religious conviction to “discriminate” against LGBT practice.
    I think it was Oberlin College what was fined for destroying a bakery because they would not celebrate perversion.

    I just hope Trump an get a couple of more Supreme Court appointments. This is important. They are trying to make massive changes in American culture. And are making headway.

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  23. It is raining! I am hoping it will wash away all this yellow pine pollen!! I am sneezing like crazy and when the dogs come in from outside they leave little yellow paw prints all over the floor! 😂

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  24. As far as the Chick-fil-A matter goes, I think that if a person does not like the owner’s personal stance on an issue, they have a perfect right to boycott them, and even to try to influence their like-minded friends to do the same. What they do not have a right to do is keep others from patronizing them by keeping the business out of their town. (My SIL, who is pro-LGBT, and I agree on this point.)

    DJ – How does that work that a councilman can keep a business out of the city? Here, the only thing that could keep a business away would be doing something contrary to the planning and zoning regulations.

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  25. In past discussions, many have mentioned the importance of expository preaching. Tim Challies (also of the Reformed faith) wrote this brief piece on considering another way. . .

    “But it’s [consecutive exposition] not the only way. Historically, some prominent Christians have advocated a different approach. Of course we know that Charles Spurgeon never preached consecutively, but rather preached a distinct text each week. So, too, did Andrew Bonar and Robert Murray M’Chenye and many others. In place of a commitment to preaching through books of the Bible, they determined to “get their texts from God” each week. . . .

    While God makes it clear that we must preach the Word, he does not specify one method over the other. I wonder if we have veered too far in one direction. This, after all, is our tendency in nearly everything—to swing from wild extreme to wild extreme. “All I am arguing,” says Murray, “is that the single-text method ought to be taken far more seriously than is often done today.” Based on the historical record, it’s worth considering. But as you consider it, consider not only the idea of preaching a new text each week; consider also the duty of prayerfully seeking that text.”

    https://www.challies.com/articles/consecutive-exposition-is-not-the-only-way/

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  26. Walmart sells turmeric at a reasonable price in capsule form. I take three a day as it is always allergy season here. It has been a great help with that and with some arthritis in my hands.

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  27. I noticed on facebook that Dj had a lot of articles posted yesterday. I didn’t click on them since I knew they won’t allow me to read them without subscribing.

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  28. Michelle, what an adventure! They will be telling that story for years. Your adorables will be in awe that you succeeded in crossing the lake. That is a big lake.

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  29. Kizzie, I agree about our right to boycott (but not to prevent businesses from doing business). Interestingly, if I ‘boycotted’ every company or product owned or managed by liberals, though, I wouldn’t probably buy 3/4 of the items I normally use. Boycotts seem to be a tactic most used by liberals.

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  30. Michelle, your boat story reminded me of one I’ve probably told on here, only in my case children were in the boat with me. Not one of my fondest memories, except for the part of God getting us safely to land.

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  31. Sometimes I have to shake my head at some of the comments on the Facebook pages for our town (resident-led, not the town’s official page). A big complaint in town, besides bad service at the local McDonald’s, is that we only have one grocery store, Big Y. Since we are sort of out in the boonies a bit, the prices at the local Big Y are higher than at out-of-town stores.

    So people complain, and blame the town, that we have three auto parts stores and two dollar stores (one, a Dollar General, is not really a dollar store, though), and three convenience stores, but only one grocery store. They claim that “they” should bring in a better grocery store, and better restaurants, or “what we really need in this town is . . .” As if the town selectmen can decide which businesses should come into town, and then “make” them come in and set up shop.

    One lady said we should start a petition for a new grocery store. Did she stop to think who that petition should go to? The town government can’t force an Aldi or a Trader Joe’s (two favorites that are often mentioned) or a better Chinese food restaurant to come in and do business here.

    The town Planning and Zoning commission even recently paid a consulting firm to do a study to see if we could support another grocery store in town, to see if they should court another store to come in. Taking into consideration the population and through-traffic from other towns, the study said another store would not do well. But many people still won’t believe that, and think the town should do something.

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  32. On one of those town pages, someone shared an article about someplace where people were trying to keep Chick-fil-A out. In the comments, there were some who said they would not want one in our town because of the founder’s politics. That’s where my SIL and I were in agreement about the right to boycott for oneself, but not keep it out entirely. She said she will not eat at a Chick-fil-A, but she recognizes their right to do business, and the right of others to patronize their restaurants if they so choose.

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  33. NancyJill, what Jo said on the turmeric. Husband is a changed man because of it. Several of the children have benefited a lot from it, with allergy symptoms going way down. But pregnant people should not take it, though they can use it in their food.

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  34. Kizzie- If I remember right from my visit to your area a few years back, the towns run into each other such that it was confusing to me where one town ended and the next one began. So if the locals don’t like the only grocery store, couldn’t they just go to the next town over? Or is it that they just like to complain. I’ve known a few people like that. They didn’t seem content unless they had something to complain about.

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  35. DJ: “Boycotts seem to be a tactic most used by liberals”
    Conservatives and Christians use boycotts too. Recently, Target was boycotted for their bathroom policy and Starbucks was boycotted for promoting gay marriage. In 1997, Disney was boycotted by vote by the Southern Baptist Convention, with public figures suchas James Dobson and Chuck Colson, and other denominations such as the Assemblies of God and the PCA joining the SBC. I remember somethings of that boycott, as we got the Focus on the Family parental magazine along with the children’s Clubhouse magazine, and the parental magazine published articles against Disney while the Clubhouse magazine featured a Christian animator who worked for Disney and had worked on the Academy Award winning animation of Disney’s wildly popular ‘Beauty and the Beast’. Being a child in the Christian community in the 1990s was bewildering, because on the one hand, we were receiving incessant warnings about TV and movies, music and books, often with a good deal of Satanic conspiracy theorizing going on (my cousins used to whisper how they heard Disney put Satanic messages in the backgrounds of their films); while on the other hand, all one’s Christian friends and relatives (including said cousins) watched the TV and films, listened to the music and read the books anyway. Looking back, the ’90s were a fear filled decade for the Christian community. Everything was against us, or so it seemed. Twenty years later, the fear is still there, and the Church still does not listen to Jesus’ words in John 14, “Let not your heart be troubled.”

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  36. Joe Carter has an interesting take on boycotting: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/should-christians-boycott-boycotting/
    ‘Should Christians even engage in boycotts? And, if so, when can they be legitimately used?

    ‘For many Christians in America, to even ask such questions is absurd. Because of their association with the era of civil rights and other laudable movements of the 1960s, boycotts tend to have an air of romance. But while the causes were just, Christians must always be mindful that nonviolence, like just war, can only be considered a necessary evil. As political philosopher Glenn Tinder has explained, the concept of nonviolent resistance never would have occurred to any of the ancient Hebrew prophets. It is worth remembering that while Martin Luther King Jr. was a Christian, he learned his principle techniques from the Hindu leader Gandhi rather than from the founder of his own religion.

    ‘The tactic affirmed by Jesus, as Tinder correctly notes, was nonresistance, a way of refusing all power, and completely different from nonviolent resistance, which is always stained by the moral impurities inherent in the use of power. Nonviolent resistance also rests on the assumption that human evil is not so deeply ingrained that it cannot be overcome by a display of profound moral courage. The way of nonviolence requires only strength, fortitude, and a naive view of humanity. By contrast, the way of Jesus requires a willingness to be weak, reliance on his redeeming power, and a realistic eschatological hope.’

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  37. I think of boycotts as being a largely ineffective tool of the Right more than of the Left. And I’m always surprised at who I’m supposed to be avoiding. One of my brothers visited a few months ago, and we pointed out furniture in our home that’s from Ikea. “Oh, we won’t shop at Ikea,” he said. Why not? It seems they once had a commercial of homosexual men sitting on a couch. I couldn’t find said commercial online so I have no idea if they had a semi-explicit commercial or if someone just determined that the two men sitting on the same couch must have been gay. My take is that we live in a world with homosexuals in it, and unless a company is going to be in-your-face about it, oh well. Unbelievers have no reason to see homosexuality as wrong, and they don’t understand why we do. I have bigger issues to get upset about. If a company uses child porn or gay porn or any kind of porn in their advertising, I’m likely to avoid doing business with them–but I don’t really see that as a boycott.

    When the Disney boycott came around a few decades ago, my sister had a huge collection of Disney memorabilia, mostly stuffed animals. (She was single at the time. She also had a couple hundred Beanie Babies.) She threw out all her Disney, hundreds of dollars worth that she’d paid for from minimum-wage jobs, and I was like “Could you have at least given me your Bambi?”

    I choose some businesses over others (for many years I avoided AT&T, as being among the most aggressive in the pro-homosexual lobby), but I don’t do boycotts and I don’t sign petitions. (I signed a couple of anti-abortion petitions one year, and then was deluged with more, and I realized they can’t possibly do any good or they wouldn’t need so MANY of them, and now I don’t sign them. Now, if there were a local petition about some issue that mattered, I might. But I think the ones that come in the mail are mostly used to gauge how fervently you support an issue, and that’s a cynical advertising gimmick.)

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  38. Ah yes, my great blue heron wading in the pond last summer. This one reminds me of a Monet painting, the effect of the lighting through the reeds.

    Last summer when I first discovered the pond, a visit down there was likely to see a great blue heron, at least two green herons, and a family of wood ducks with grown ducklings and the father (in boring eclipse plumage) back with the family. The time of year when I first discovered the pond is still a few weeks away, and I hope this summer is as fruitful. I saw the wood ducks (father not back with them yet) for the first time two days ago, I’ve seen green herons twice (but not really hanging around), and I haven’t seen great blues down there in months. I’ve seen Canada geese, mallards, and red-winged blackbirds, though. But I’m hoping the herons will soon be appearing regularly.

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  39. Boycotts: I agree that they generally seem more used by liberals. I don’t think they are effective unless a majority of the users are boycotting. And I think the liberal boycotts are much more prone to violence or verbal assault.

    In my years as a believer, though I knew people in the fearful fringe, I was not in that group and again, believe that to be a minority among Christians.

    It is not problematic to me for a Christian to speak up about a perceived danger to the believers (be wary). Fearmongering is not a good thing.

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  40. I remember those days of Christian fear and boycotting anything perceived to be evil. One woman said she was boycotting a certain common product (I forget what it was) because it advertised in Playboy. My first thought was, who looked at the magazine to seethe ad? My second thought was, what other products does this woman use that are advertised in Playboy or similar porn mags?

    I think the Christian Right claims to be the reason K-Mart went belly up, but who knows? The boycott against the store happened at the same time Walmart was becoming ubiquitous and taking away K-Mart’s share of customers. I used to boycott based on what Focus on the Family or other groups/people said, but no more. There are certain places I don’t shop or products I don’t buy for various reasons, but I don’t tell others not to go there.

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  41. Christians don’t usually use boycotts as a way to prevent a business from doing business. It’s more of a “statement,” a way maybe to hurt (slightly in our minority-status case, to be sure) the company’s bottom line or reputation in some circles, which is fine, although I agree they’re ineffective and I’ve never actually participated in boycotting a business.

    At least from my own observations in the LA area, liberals targeting businesses like Chick-fil-A, on the other hand, are more serious about actually blocking a business from even operating in particular communities when that might be possible. And out here, that is sometimes possible to achieve.

    I think as I get older I pay less attention to such social drama. 🙂 But the trends are interesting to see. Corporate America, as it were, is quite socially liberal. I suppose they’re whatever they need to be depending on the present social currents. They follow the wind (the money) and the wind right now is tilting distinctly leftward.

    Again, perhaps not a bad development for the church in the west which has been drifting and has become rather soft and confused.

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  42. A lot of people on the left fit into what we used to call DINK’s, I don’t know the current term. Double income no kids. So they tend to have more money. Of course there are exceptions. People on the conservative side tend to have larger families and may tend to give more to church or charities and tend to have less wealth. Of course there are exceptions.

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  43. As I was getting ready to do the most recent advance story on our community’s pride event, the editor, always looking for journalistic drama, asked if there were opponents I could interview. My first thought (and last thought) was no one would want to publicly say anything to that effect.

    I poked around a bit to see if anyone had heard of people willing to discuss it for the article (not nutty people like the random guys with the tired, hand-scrawled “Steve and Eve” picket signs — a few of them turned up on social media and were roundly and rightly pummeled as they were so crass & inarticulate). But everyone agreed, no one’s going to say anything to be quoted publicly on an event that was so wildly popular with everyone from the chamber of commerce to the political leaders to probably your average-Joe neighbors next door.

    As one Christian friend in town said to me about the pride event, “You *can’t* be against it.”

    I thought of the pastors I know in the community and was sure none of them would want to “go there.” And as Cheryl said, how does one even reasonably articulate the opposition in a way that would be “heard” by nonbelievers at this point? We know there is a larger issue at play, of course — that a society going in one direction or another will either bring blessings or curses to generations to follow.

    But for now, the political and cultural argument on this issue has been lost. The challenge (for the church) now is an internal one. It will be played out as younger generations of Christians find themselves more in step with the broader culture’s strong embrace of gay marriage and other gender redefinitions. And that will be a difficult road ahead, I think.

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  44. I’d forgotten about the Focus on the Family era of boycotts in the ’90s. I still never followed those but realize the they were popular among many(?) Christians at that time.

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  45. Someone wrote me asking for suggestions of Bible College “like Oswald taught.”

    Any suggestions for good old fashioned Bible schools that just teach the Bible.

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  46. Michelle, I’ve heard good things about Bob Jones University in Greenville, SC and Liberty U in Virginia. My experience with BJU is decades old. This is not a recommendation for either, but, as I said, I have heard good about them.

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  47. DJ, James Dobson had a radio program as well as a magazine. In its heyday, between 1991 to 2002, Focus on the Family employed between 1,200 to 1,400 staff at its headquarters in Colorado Springs, and had multiple international divisions – I remember when the magazines switched from the American publication to the Canadian edition for us. It had a very significant impact on Christian culture, was more mainstream than ATI, and I recognize the continuing influence of its mindset in many aspects of conservative Christianity today.

    But, I remember even Dobson was not conservative enough for some. Focus on the Family criticized MTV (remember MTV!?) and secular popular music genres, but they endorsed CCM, even featuring such artists as Micheal W. Smith in their magazine. There were many, first in my rural childhood church and later, after we left that church because of the contemporary music, in the family church that my parents and Youngests still attend, who thought Dobson had compromised with the devil by endorsing CCM. I remember our first pastor in the family church, a very young man who had attended a seminary run by an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist church in a larger city nearby, played a video for the youth group that ‘revealed’ the supposed Satanic conspiracies behind popular CCM artists. I was too young to attend youth group at the time, but my two older siblings kept me informed. ATI further enforced the message, as Gothard’s portrayal of rock music as the music of rebellion and any rebellion being the same as witchcraft played right in to the ongoing accusations of Satanism being in both secular and religious rock music.

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  48. Michelle’s question: This is not an endorsement – as I have no personal experience with the school – but the Capernwray Bible School has such a reputation. Members from three generations of my extended family have attended the one in England, but I believe there are ones around the world (there is certainly one in Vancouver, B.C.): https://capernwray.org/

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  49. I remember the popularity of Dobson and would listen to his show in the car if it coincided with when I was coming or going somewhere, often driving to or from work or into downtown for school board meetings which I covered in the later 1980s — so I guess he was on the radio that far back. It was a very popular show especially for younger Christian families at the time and provided, I think, some good programming. I believe it was on a couple times a day on our local Christian FM station at the time.

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  50. Peter – Stafford has a lot of land (a lot of it rural), so going to the closest grocery store is about 20 minutes away, and the cheaper grocery stores are about half an hour away. A lot of people, such as Nightingale (and Hubby before her) shop after work in the towns they work in. But there are also a lot of poorer people and elderly in town who don’t work out of town, and some (or many) of those don’t drive, from what I’ve heard.

    But yes, a big part of the issue is that people love to complain. So many people like to complain about the local McDonald’s that a person jokingly set up a Facebook page just for complaining about it. 😀

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  51. Actually, Dr. Dobson and a lot of common sense, helped me raise my kids. My husband wasn’t so much a fan, but he put up with it.

    Has anyone here actually attended Bible school? I’ve heard of Frontier of the Bible and friends ran one in Nebraska. Another friend attended a school in Montana. I did not attend a Bible school

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  52. Bible College, I have heard of good things from Boise Bible College and Missoula Bible College. Met some good solid believers from both.

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  53. From Wikipedia: Focus on the Family is one of a number of evangelical parachurch organizations that rose to prominence in the 1980s. As of the 2017 tax filing year, Focus on the Family declared itself to be a church.[4] …

    In February 2009, Dobson resigned his chairmanship,[12] He left Focus on the Family in early 2010, and subsequently founded Family Talk as a non-profit organization and launched a new broadcast that began airing nationally on May 3, 2010. He is no longer affiliated with Focus on the Family.

    On June 23, 2017, Vice President Mike Pence attended the organization’s 40th anniversary celebration; at the event, he praised founder James Dobson, stated that President Donald Trump is an ally of the organization, and added that the Trump administration supports its goals (including the abolition of Planned Parenthood).[13][14][15] Pence’s attendance at the event, along with Focus on the Family’s stances on LGBT rights, were criticized by the Human Rights Campaign.[16] …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family

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  54. The question came up recently (from Kevin, I believe) about what all the letters in LGBTIQA stand for. Today I came across this definition, which adds some letters. And I found that I was wrong about the A. (I thought it stood for Asexual – no sexual feelings – but it is for Allies.)

    “LGBTTIQQ2SA stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, Transgender, Intersex, Queer, Questioning, Two-Spirited and Allies”

    That comes from this brief piece by Tim Challies:

    https://www.challies.com/articles/the-message-that-counters-everything/

    Here is the Wikipedia article explaining “Two-Spirited”:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit

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  55. Michelle, my mother would have agreed about the common sense in child rearing. Although there again, the still more conservative reactionaries in the circles where we moved said Dobson was disguising secular psychology as being Christian. But the boycotts did get a bit much.

    I have never attended Bible school. I just never had a good chance. I am the second youngest of the cousins on my mother’s side, and my parents were warned off the whole idea of Bible school by watching my mother’s siblings and their children struggle with the high cost of tuition to Christian post-secondary school and also were not impressed with the fruit they saw. None of my cousins who attended Bible school ever went seriously off the rails, but they had friends who did (whom we encountered through events such as weddings – one group of such students, including a few young pastoral candidates, caused considerable scandal in the way they behaved at one cousin’s wedding), bringing home the realization that Christian-based higher education was not any safer for young adults than going to secular post secondary institutions. For the purposes of my profession, going to a secular school was adequate (and my faith was never under threat). I would have liked to have taken electives from the Divinity School that is on the campus of the university I attended, but their courses were not available to undergraduates.

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  56. I would not, and did not, recommend any of my offspring should attend a Bible college.
    Not unless they had a specific calling to do Spiritual work of some sort.
    But it is better than majoring in “Music Appreciation” unless you have a specific talent.
    Or History, unless you are an author, teacher, etc.
    When you select a major, you should be able to answer the specific question:
    WHY?j

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  57. I believe Bible College is training in the Bible. I had three who went to Pensacola Christian College which I do not consider to be a Bible college but a college with Christian staff and leanings. A lot of people think it is a horrible place. Two of my children came out with solid diplomas with which they immediately got jobs. Computer Science and Nursing (RN). The cost was much better than the local state university and without the “freedom”. One came out not impressed with Christians and the other is still solid in the faith. The third only wanted to juggle so dropped out, went to an expensive private school, dropped out, went in the military and now has a Master’s. Everybody is different.

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  58. Going into the military saved lots of guys. (I don’t mean in a religious sense.. but you knew that.)
    It was a life changer for me. One of the good decisions I have made in my life.

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  59. Happy Fathers Day to all you fathers on here!

    May all your children (and grandchildren and great-grandchildren, etc.) walk in truth, loving the Lord, and walking faithfully with Him.

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  60. From my 4:06 quote from Wikipedia – “including the abolition of Planned Parenthood”

    I believe that more fairly should have read something like the abolition of public funding for Planned Parenthood.

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  61. I have skimmed through the comments. I will look at the haiku contest. I am a member of several haiku groups on Facebook. Many do not believe in the 5-7-5 form. I have not entered contests mostly because of that controversy. People can be almost hostile if you don’t go about it as they think it should be done!

    I have boycotted Target over the Salvation Army stance of no longer allowing the bellringers and kettles at Christmas and the bathroom issue because with the bathroom, I consider that a personal safety issue. I like their products but I don’t want to reward stupid management decisions.

    I have not boycotted Starbucks. I think the boycotts of Chick-fil-A have worked out as great free advertising so that people have over compensated for any lost revenues by patronizing and spending more money there than they would have otherwise.

    I appreciated the programming of Focus on the Family, especially Adventures in Odyssey. Wesley loved that daily time and even had the Adventures in Odyssey Bible that is pretty worn out. I listened to some of the programs and benefitted from their materials I used.

    I hope everyone has been having a good Father’s Day. The dads were recognized in church but they were not given anything like the moms were on Mother’s Day when we got cute little packages of homemade macaroons. Those were like cream filled cookies with the outer cookies having some coconut flavoring and the cream filling had another flavoring (mine was maybe key lime or lemon . . . too sweet for my taste). A traditional macaroon would have been my preferred choice, and why not give them to the dads, too?

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  62. We had a worship leader who attended Moody Bible College. One of our associate pastors attended Luther Rice which may be a seminary. We have a college in the GA mountains which I believe is named Toccoa Falls Bible College where another worship leader attended. I thought that Cheryl attended Moody. Is the King’s College a Bible College?

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  63. Happy Father’s Day to all the Dads here in the neighborhood 😊
    Daughter and her family attended our church today and invited us over for lunch….that was nice.
    A dear friend sent two of her daughters to Capernwray…one in England the other in Sweden. She believed both to be very good schools for her daughters to attend right out of high school.
    One friend sent her daughter to Calvary Chapel Bible College in York England…that proved to be very beneficial for her daughter…
    Dr. Dobson was very instrumental in how I raised my children. I appreciated his wisdom and insights.
    I have had my own “personal boycotts” of businesses and retail companies over the years. Target was one due to their support of PP. Disney, Kimberley Clark Corp, NFL, among others have been deprived of our family financing of their company. Does it hurt them….I don’t think so, but for us it has been a personal conviction. A sweet friend once told me that if she boycotted every company she disagreed with she would end up naked, starving and smelling really bad!! 😂

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  64. That is right! I really enjoyed James Dobson We watched some of his early videos, early in our marriage and they were quite helpful. I learned to tell my children they needed to choose whether to be a teenager or a young adult, from him. And children here have always enjoyed the Odyssey adventures though we have not been regular listeners.

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  65. I remember a Christian mentor (Quaker, widowed, 1 grown daughter), saying Dobson provided a much needed help and clarity for Cristian families at the time — providing a support that wasn’t really there in that period.

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  66. I’ll second kare’s recommendation of Prairie College in Three Hills, AB. Some friends sent several of their 7 children their, and all of them got good, biblical instruction.

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  67. I graduated from a Bible college, and it was a really excellent choice for me (though I don’t name it on the blog, and I don’t know one way or the other this many years removed whether I’d be able to recommend it today). I think that most Bible colleges today offer more than just straight Bible courses; they also prepare you with a major, though you can choose a Bible major and “double up.” The way it was explained to me was that in effect we all had a Bible/theology major and our major was really a minor. But it was academically challenging (or so I heard from people who transferred from other colleges) and had a good foundation in Scripture, good mentoring, good teaching in other courses, and good chances to get involved in ministry while in school.

    I think that Pensacola and Bob Jones are poor choices for most (not all) students, because you simply have to be prepared to deal with silly rules without getting either cynical or rebellious. Now, granted, this was 30 years ago, but my sister visited both campuses, and found craziness at both. For instance, at BJU in the dining room the men were required to stand up if a woman at their table stood up. An unintended consequence was that women were glued to their seats until they finished a meal, because if you got up to go get something, every man at your table was inconvenienced by having to stand up and you were embarrassed by being the one to force them to do so. It didn’t honor women, it burdened both them and the men.

    At Pensacola, women were required to stay dressed in dresses and hose until something like 8:00 at night, even if they were in their dorms. Some women got around that by having other women act as lookouts. If an authority figure showed up, the women who were dressed too casually for the dress code jumped into bed and pulled up the covers. My niece graduated from there a lot more recently than that (though still 15 years ago or so now), and she found many of the rules absurd. For instance, women were required to wear pantyhose unless they got a note from their doctor exempting them . . . and if you got a note from your doctor, then you were not allowed to wear them (even for special dress-up events). The people I have known who have attended there have been impressed with the education and the cost, but not at all with the rules. That level of micromanaging other adults is simply not spiritually healthy for anyone involved. I’m not inclined to dispute such things as requiring the skirt to be as long as your knee or requiring skirts or dresses to class. But by the time you’re treating adults like naughty kindergartners, I’m not impressed.

    In fact, one of my brothers moved to Greenville with the idea of working for a year or two and saving enough money to attend BJU. He got a job down the street from the campus so he could get to know the area a little bit, working at a fast-food place. And his experience with the students changed his mind. The women would put the money (when paying for food) onto the counter rather than handing it to him, which is inconvenient for the cashier and also seems rude, and they wouldn’t look him in the eye. He said Scripture says perfect love casts out fear, and he got the sense they had had fear of “the world” and of lust so firmly drilled into their heads that they were hurt by it, and he wanted nothing to do with that sort of teaching. I think he said the men avoided eye contact, too, but he particularly noted that “don’t touch someone of the opposite sex” translated into such absurd extremes as to be rude to others. (Were they allowed to shake hands?)

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  68. I listened to Dobson quite a bit, but I think he got way too strident those last few years, too political, and yes too psychological. The Moral Majority and its ilk ended up paying way more attention to shaking its finger in the face of those bad pagans than with our own callings.

    He was really, really a force to be reckoned with in the nineties, though. We had a saying at the publisher where I worked that there were two forms of advertising in the Christian world: Focus on the Family and everything else. Getting an author interviewed on Focus was the equivalent of getting an author on Oprah. (And BTW, I did once “get an author on Oprah.” I did an internship my senior year writing press releases and cover copy. And the lady I interned for came to me one day and told me this book has a chance to get on Oprah, so could I do a second version of the press release that would be more understandable for a secular audience? And the authors did get interviewed on Oprah! How much I influenced that, I don’t know . . . but in 1993 that was a really big deal.)

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