31 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 3-26-19

  1. Morning all. I skipped conference this afternoon. I can only sit for so long. I spent a wonderful hour in the weight room and had it all to myself.
    Now I am reading the powerpoints that I missed to catch up.

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  2. Good morning!

    I saw on the morning news that a black lady got honored at our state capitol yesterday. She is from the county where our office is located. She is the oldest living African American in the USA. She is 114 years old, and she looked pretty good on camera for the event.

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  3. Morning! It is still very dark in this forest and the temps will be in the 60’s today….that snow is going to melt oh yes it is!!
    Upon seeing that header my thought was “ surfing ducks”!! 🦆 🏄‍♀️
    Janice how did you make out in that storm last evening? Did ya’ll get the hail predicted? At least we know you are safe..but are you still in the closet? 😊

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  4. Cheryl, it may interest you to know that Christian feminist arguments do not convince me either when I read them. Bringing out the dreaded term feminist and applying it to how I view headship is not going to work to discredit my view, because my view is based not on those feminist arguments, but very simply, on a plain reading of Ephesians 5. The self-sacrifice that a husband is called to is not laying down one’s life heroically, in the manner of someone who jumps into the line of fire to save a person about to get hit, but a silent laying down one’s life by laying aside one’s own ambitions, preferences, opinions, and even one’s will. Since that is essentially what the wife is called to in submitting to her husband, it is apparent that there is to be a mutual laying aside of self interest for the good of the other. This agrees with Paul’s statements on the mutuality of marriage in I Corinthians 7:3-4. Furthermore, as Pastor A always used to observe about the Ephesians 5 passage, the command to the wife is to the wife, the command to the husband is to the husband. The husband does not have the authority to compel his wife to submit to him. Rather, the wife’s authority in the matter of her submission is the Lord, as is the husband’s in the matter of his self-sacrifice. Nowhere is the wife told to obey her husband, the way children are told to obey their parents or servants their masters. It is a completely different quality of relationship, as John Chrysostum observed in his Homily on I Corinthians 11:3, a verse the Arians used to argue that the Son was inferior to the Father: “For had Paul meant to speak of rule and subjection, as thou sayest, he would not have brought forward the instance of a wife, but rather of a slave and a master. For what if the wife be under subjection to us? It is as a wife, as free, as equal in honor.”

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  5. Roscuro, the woman I was talking about was a Christian feminist, so much so that she was on the board for CBE, and she used that term for herself, and her boyfriend even called himself a feminist. So when I spoke of studying Christian feminism, I meant the real deal. Nevertheless, the word “head” is a term of authority, and cannot logically be otherwise; clearly the husband is not the “source” of his wife. No, a husband does not order his wife about as though she were a slave, but he has true authority over her, as Christ has true authority over the church. The husband’s authority is to be given in love, but it is nonetheless there.

    And yes, the command is given to the individual spouse, but that does not mean that the other spouse does not know the command and cannot call the sinning party to account, even to the point of taking it to the church if the sin continues. If I am not submitting to my husband, he can indeed bring that to my attention, and he should–just as I should call it to his attention if he is not loving me (his own responsibility). If he is treating me harshly, I can and should call it to his attention, and could at some point even tell our pastor.

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  6. I overslept by 45 minutes this morning. It is a long story, but here is the short version.

    I used to be chief of the Astrotopraghy Branch at the Defense mapping Agency.
    We mapped the moon, primarily for the Apollo landings. We did this under contract with NASA.
    After the Apollo program was over, in 1975 they disbanded the branch and destroyed most of the material we had.
    I said to myself, “They can’t throw out all my stuff.” So I took some, not all, of the stuff for disposal. I kept it in my attic, basement, attic for all these 45 years.
    Finally, I asked Chuck, “What are we going to do with all this stuff? I’m not going to throw it away.”
    So? We decided to ask the University of South Carolina if they wanted it.
    They do.

    So? What to do about this? I will brief my grandkids on this unique situation Thursday and Chuck will make a video so the USC people will know what they have.
    I spent over five hours in bed last night with all of this in my head. I went over what I know I have, what I may not have handy and how I was gong to say it.
    I couldn’t get it out of my mind. Finally I decided to change the subject and started praying for everyone I knew, including most of you. I finally woke up at 7:15.

    As I said, Chuck is going to record the presentation, but I have decided to make a hardcopy of the lecture on this computer. I have a couple of days to do it.
    I hope I can sleep tonight..

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  7. Oh Chas what a gift you are giving to USC!! And how wise they are in accepting such a treasure! I am looking forward to hearing all about the presentation….praying for our Lord to give to you just the right words and thought for it all….trusting Him to do so for in you He has planted this passion!

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  8. Fascinating discussion the last couple days.

    Here is the take that Biblical counselors Dr. Henry Cloud and Dr. John Townsend put forth in their book Boundaries, in the chapter entitled Boundaries and Your Spouse, under the sub-heading “But That Doesn’t Sound Submissive”:

    Whenever we talk about a wife setting boundaries, someone asks about the biblical idea of submission. What follows is not a full treatise on submission, but some general issues you should keep in mind.

    First, both husbands and wives are supposed to practice submission, not just wives. “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ” (Eph. 5:21). Submission is always the free choice of one party to another. Wives choose to submit to their husbands, and husbands choose to submit to their wives.

    Christ’s relationship with the church is a picture of how a husband and wife should relate: “Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless” (Eph. 5:24-27).

    Whenever submission issues are raised, the first question that needs to be asked is, What is the nature of the marital relationship? Is the husband’s relationship with his wife similar to Christ’s relationship with the church? Does she have free choice, or is she a slave “under the law”? Many marital problems arise when a husband tries to keep his wife “under the law,” and she feels all the emotions the Bible promises the law will bring: wrath, guilt, insecurity, and alienation (Rom. 4:15; James 2:10; Gal. 5:4).

    Freedom is one issue that needs to be examined; grace is another. Is the husband’s relationship with his wife full of grace and unconditional love? Is she in a position of “no condemnation” as the church is (Rom. 8:1), or does her husband fail to “wash her” of all guilt? Usually husbands who quote Ephesians 5 turn their wives into slaves and condemn them for not submitting. If she incurs wrath or condemnation for not submitting, she and her husband do not have a grace-filled Christian marriage; they have a marriage “under the law.”

    Often, in these situations, the husband is trying to get his wife to do something that either is hurtful or takes away her will. Both of these actions are sins against himself. “Husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church” (Eph. 5:28-29). Given this, the idea of slavelike submission is impossible to hold. Christ never takes away our will or asks us to do something hurtful. He never pushes us past our limits. He never uses us as objects. Christ “gave himself up” for us. He takes care of us as he would his own body.

    We have never seen a “submission problem” that did not have a controlling husband at its root. When the wife begins to set clear boundaries, the lack of Christlikeness in a controlling husband becomes evident because the wife is no longer enabling his immature behavior. She is confronting the truth and setting biblical limits on hurtful behavior. Often, when the wife sets boundaries, the husband begins to grow up.

    Roscuro is right to bring up these various relationships: husband/wife; parent/child; master/slave. The Bible has different things to say about each of these relationships, and we would do well to examine the Scriptures thoroughly to understand the differences.

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  9. Beautiful rainy morning here. And two new lambs arrived sometime in the past forty eight hours. So we have seven cute little ones to watch in that pasture. One more ewe may surprise us still with something. That would be fun.

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  10. We are all privileged to know you, Chas,not only for your career achievements, but also for your Christian character and as the best example of a loving husband who we could ever know. Many in scientific fields are not believing Christians. You show us great wisdom in your humbleness toward the Maker of the universe This is such a great treasure you are sharing!

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  11. Anonymous, 9:53, from the passage you quoted: “We have never seen a ‘submission problem’ that did not have a controlling husband at its root.” Really? They’ve never seen an unsubmissive wife? I’ve known a few in my day. Seriously, marriage counselors who make a habit of always blaming the wife or always blaming the husband aren’t going to be very helpful to people.

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  12. From what I have seen, it is mostly women that seek counseling and an unsubmissive wife is probably not aware there is a problem. So, they, being counselors, would not see much of that.

    But in our own relationship, my husband’s love and laying down his life for me is what brought me into a more submissive attitude. Because I suddenly realized, I had nothing to complain about.

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  13. Thanks for the kind words, everyone.
    Elvera has always expected me to lead.
    She followed me to Ft. Worth, Texas, to Spartanburg, SC, to the DC area. It always worked out well.
    I finally agreed to move to Hendersonville, NC. She wanted to go there. I had no reason not to. So we went. It was a smart move.
    I have always been the leader, but she was always part of the plan.
    It really works well that way. .

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  14. Kizzie, re a note you left on the prayer thread yesterday: You can get a version of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe that does have pictures–most of them do.

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  15. I have my new overhead light, and we got all the electrical work done before company is due.

    We still have work to be done, but we’re definitely chipping away at it!

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  16. Glad all that work is coming along, Cheryl!

    I was the Anon at 9:53. I think it’s entirely possible that biblical counselors might not see unsubmissive wives come through their offices.

    Seriously, marriage counselors who make a habit of always blaming the wife or always blaming the husband aren’t going to be very helpful to people.

    I would agree, and so would those counselors, I believe. I’ve read their whole book, and they are not “always blaming the wife” or “always blaming the husband,” or always blaming one type of person in the other relationships they talk about in the book.

    I’m not sure why you felt the need to refer to marriage counselors who have that habit, after you’ve apparently only read that one excerpt. Your statement gives the impression that you think the authors are in that category, the ones who always blame one side.

    If that’s what you believe about them, that’s not an accurate assessment.

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  17. Chas, what a wonderful arrangement to make sure important history is preserved. I’m so glad you surreptitiously saved those materials even though you weren’t supposed to. I realize they were concerned for security reasons (I guess?) but what a treasure trove of history to just toss away.

    One of the things that’s so sad in our business is the loss of the thousands of clip files — someone used to literally “clip out” newspaper stories and file them by topic and that’s how we reporters researched stories. I guess it’s simply too expensive and time consuming to get those now in digital form but we still had some left in our office. Now, they’re *somewhere* in Monrovia, many miles northeast in a sister paper’s basement somewhere. 😦 I actually made use of one of those old yellowing files last year when I did a story on the local Vietnam POW who was one of the pall bearers at McCain’s funeral. He’d moved out of town some years ago (I finally found him) but that old clip file, which predated my years at the paper, had so many great stories about his homecoming.

    Newspapers are the day’s history in brief and immediate form, from reporting the world wars to civil unrest to disasters to presidential elections (those last two sometimes combined?).

    Well, today I wrote a story on a two-day film & arts event coming up about human trafficking. Not too exciting as far as journalism goes, but maybe more people will attend and learn how to spot danger signs. Among the offerings will be cyber safety lessons for children in both Spanish and English.

    The room is still too cramped, the chair still too hard. But oh well. I guess I’m adjusting as well as I can to the new office cubbies. I’m trying to concentrate on how much shorter my commute is now, 15 minutes and I’m home. Sweet.

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  18. In every relationship where some sort of authority is needed, someone has to be the leader.

    I was at a rope rescue technician course several years ago. We were given a scenario, and had to set up the rescue and carry it out. This involved pulleys, anchors, and pivots, etc, and different persons having various assigned tasks. During the training, different people were given the task of team leader. My group ended up with a young guy from northern NM as the leader. I believe he was EMS director somewhere. He wanted everything to be done by consensus. We could have been right on task, had he had the leadership ability to make a decision and just do it. I would hate to have worked for him, as every decision would have been a committee meeting. I am not opposed to having input, and others making suggestions, but someone needs to take the lead and make it happen.

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  19. We had several of our old front pages framed and hung on our walls in the old office, one was of the moon landing, others were of WWII and even earlier, others chronicling the news from later eras.

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  20. So I have no horse this race — at all — but it seems to me that Christian couples in my church mostly work things out depending on Scripture, of course, but also on the personalities and strengths and weaknesses and experiences of the individuals involved.

    It’s not necessarily that rigid a process in most marriages, from what I’ve observed. Your unique strengths and gifts are combined with a whole other person with their own unique strengths and gifts; so while the foundation is Scripture, always, there are also, by necessity, allowances made — amicably — as two people forge their way forward as “one.”

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  21. 6 Arrows, I haven’t read Boundaries; I’ve heard mixed reviews and never felt the need to read it, so I can’t assess it. But from my own life experience, I think that many wives struggle with submission, and many others don’t “struggle” with it because they don’t even attempt it. So their statements sound overly broad, and even naive. I suspect that if we looked at marriages within the church in 21st century America, we would find more unsubmissive wives than controlling husbands (in other words, I do definitely believe controlling husbands exist, but I have a hunch that “weak” husbands are more common–though I know weak men with anger problems, so a man can be both weak and “controlling”). Anyway, it sounded like they were saying men are usually the problem, and if they were saying that I don’t think it’s fair or accurate. I wasn’t meaning to say that they always blame the wife or always blame the husband, though–I haven’t read them, and I don’t know. But I know there is a tendency for many to do that, for example Debi Pearl nearly always blaming the wife, and it isn’t helpful when people do that.

    DJ, exactly. It isn’t like building a desk according to the exact written directions. But neither is it like people at the beach who are all doing their own thing. A wise husband wants his wife’s input and insight. And a wise wife won’t resist the leadership of a wise husband.

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  22. Cheryl, I think there is a huge difference in leading and micromanaging. In my experience, most women will follow when led, even in the wrong direction.

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  23. Agreed, RKessler. Women tend to respect a man who will lead, and men tend to want to be leaders; I think that is God-given. Personalities vary, and some men lead quietly, but a healthy man has the desire to lead and is frustrated by a woman who wants to compete for leadership.

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