83 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 11-3-18

  1. Morning everyone. I would call that a whitetail deer with the tail flying.
    Just got back from the high school carnival. I, of course, took containers and brought back enough food for dinner.
    Now I will head for facebook and upload pictures of faces of some cute kids.

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  2. I was actually .leaving earlier, but I talked to someone on the way out and they had scheduled a haircut. Where? I asked, and headed right over there to sign up. Got a great hair cut, just what I wanted.
    Then I went off to quiet weight room to work out. Oh, and when I was leaving I found our school secretary and asked if she wanted to my old washing machine. So they will be coming by to get it later.
    Did I even mention that I bought new washer? Only two choices and I emailed and said I would take the cheaper one. Well, they never answered the email and then it showed up at my door yesterday. Land of the unexpected. Since this is in the entryway (isn’t that where you have your washing machine?) I need to get the old one out of there.

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  3. Go to bed Jo. But set your clock back first.
    Does that matter there?
    I went back and looked twice and still don’t see no white tail deer.
    Good morning everyone else.


  4. Chas, there used to be a deer there, but it was long gone by the time you checked. It was fleeing with its tail up, and even Jo only saw it from the back.

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  5. (Psst, Chas, look between the two middle trees for a vertical white stripe that is a deer’s tail and rump. That’s really all that can be seen at all well.)


  6. I don’t think Jo has Daylight Saving Time. Why would the tropics need more daylight in the evening?

    Alas and alack, we have to change our clocks again. I suppose that means I’ll be driving to work with the sun on my eyes again for a few weeks. ~Sigh~ I think I’ll convince Mrs L to move to Arizona where they don’t go on DST.

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  7. Peter, I remember that in Chicago. I made a mental note never again to live west of my workplace, since there were times of the year I was driving into the sun both directions, and just when I barely wasn’t anymore, we’d change the clocks and I’d start doing it again.

    And yes, having grown up in Phoenix and having lived all my life without daylight “savings,” I was doubly aware of how stupid it was that I had to endure it now. Of course now I live in Indians, in portions that didn’t formerly have daylight savings, but now we do. Apparently some of the state (areas close enough to other states to share workers) used to change and most didn’t, and they changed it so the whole state would be on the same time.It makes sense to have the whole state on the same time, but why can’t we have a move just to abolish the stupid thing and have the whole state (and whole country) simply get rid of it?

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  8. I wish they’d abolish Daylight Savings Time, too, Cheryl. More accidents happen the week after the time change (in the spring, I think, but maybe after the fall change, too) than other times of the year. Both time changes, even the one where we supposedly “gain” an hour, mess with my body clock and just make me more tired overall, especially in the spring.

    I’ve heard that it’s healthiest for people to go to bed and get up at roughly the same times each day, but when the time change comes, for those people who have to be somewhere at a specific time in the morning, you can’t just decide to sleep until 7:30 when DST rolls around when you’re used to getting up at 6:30 to be to school or work by, say 8:00.

    I’m lucky that I don’t have to be somewhere at a certain time of morning most days, but every Sunday and most Fridays I do have morning commitments that occur at a specific time, so I have to pretty much adjust all my days of the week to the new time schedule so I’m not perpetually tired on the weekends and for a day or two beyond.

    Most of the problem occurs with the spring change, but with this fall change coming up tomorrow, I wonder how tired my piano student is going to be for his lesson. It starts at 7:00 pm, which is going to feel like 8pm initially. With a 45-minute lesson and a 20-minute one-way commute, it means he wouldn’t be getting home until after what feels like 9pm. And his poor mom — she usually falls asleep on my couch during the lesson, she’s always so tired.


  9. Tomorrow 3rd Arrow and I sing in church for our Reformation observation. Choir practice is at 7:20 (before church at 8:00), so we’re not really going to “gain” an hour, anyway, having to be at church 40 minutes earlier than usual.

    But I’m looking forward to singing, anyway. I’m glad to have this opportunity.

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  10. Morning!! It is lightly snowing and it is cold out there! ‘Tis the season!!
    I see the deer’s tail….someone must have scared him. Our deer out here just look at us. We can be inches away from them and most do not budge….that is a bit scary when the buck snorts at you or the doe is protecting her babe and scrapes her front hoove on the ground like a charging bull!!

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  11. Good morning. It has been a busy time for us. I am working today, so depending on patient load, may be able to catch up on the thread, and check in from time to time.

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  12. The funny thing about our Girls’ Scary Movie Night last night? Neither of the movies were that scary. 😀

    The one that Chickadee and I watched together, A Dark Song, looked like it could be scary (and I was afraid some of it could be disturbing). There were a few kind of minor creepy things as the movie progressed, and then a scary-ish scene towards the end, but the end was actually kind of beautiful.

    The woman’s goal in going through this months-long, convoluted ritual was to ask for vengeance on the teens who murdered her child. But when the ritual ended with a huge angel appearing to her, she was awed by his beauty and the light around him, and instead of requesting vengeance, she asked for the power to forgive.

    (The angel was not portrayed in the typical white flowing robes and wings, but looked kind of like a Roman warrior with a sword. Pretty cool.)

    The one we watched with Nightingale, The Craft, was one she had picked out, remembering it as scary from when she saw it as a teenager. But it really wasn’t that scary, and she apologized.

    The kind of scary movies I like – and I watch them rarely, not making a habit of it – are the kind that are creepy, or psychological thrillers, rather than anything gory.


  13. We have a ballot measure on Tuesday to put the state on what is known as ‘daylight savings time’ year-round. But even if it passes, I guess it has to go through all kinds of hoops in the legislature to be actually approved (and it might not succeed).

    At least we get an extra hour of sleep, theoretically, this weekend. ?

    And because my bedroom faces east, I’ll wake up a whole lot easier and earlier now.

    I’m committed to take Carol out shopping at CVS today — this also will be the first time I’ll see her new place which is farther away, of course, and only has street parking, no parking for visitors. I’ve stressed that we need to keep today ‘simple,’ CVS, a drive around the area and I may just buy her a small fast-food lunch in the drive-through that she can take home rather than plan on another stop at a restaurant that is becoming very complicated.

    I’ve had a long week with another one ahead and I really should be sweeping and doing some work around the house instead. Weekends have become way too short. 😦 I already texted Carol to push back our original 10:30 a.m. pickup time to “sometime between 11 and 12” since I will be driving farther.


  14. The time change is irrelevant here. Sunset will just happen at quarter to four tomorrow, instead of quarter to five as it did yesterday. Sunrise will occur at half past seven, rather than half past eight, as it did today. The period of daylight grows shorter by the day.

    It has been a very busy and difficult week. The online class is especially proving hard to handle: I just got back a low mark for the paper I wrote for it – not a fail, but far below what I normally get for my papers. I now have another, slightly shorter, paper to write for the same class and I am afraid that I will get the vague instructions wrong again. I am so tired of being in school and being at the mercy of every instructor’s individual interpretation of assignments.

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  15. In Chicago I did find it easier to wake up in the fall once we got past the time change, and actually looked forward to it for the last couple of weeks. But that was really because I’m naturally a night owl, and starting work at 8 a.m. was really too early for me. Being able to set my own schedule now, I see no benefit to such a forced change.


  16. So, can anyone guess which team just retained at least a tie and by the rules, their hold on The Commander in Chief’s Trophy?

    I left a hint above. 🙂


  17. Well I guessed Army…I mean Navy doesn’t start with a N…. 😜
    I hear they spotlighted some service members throughout the game. My dearest friend’s son was to be featured but I didn’t want to watch football to see him. If anyone saw him he would have been the tallest one amongst them all and he is an amazing young man….


  18. You would think that after our enjoyable time last night, and having Chickadee here for a while this morning, I would be feeling happy. But no, I’ve been reduced to tears a few times over the course of this afternoon, over Chickadee’s situation.

    I already mentioned on Rants & Raves about Chickadee not wanting to come to Thanksgiving at our house because of the “strangers” (a couple friends of Nightingale’s) who will be joining us. That hurt.

    Then this morning, in the course of the conversation, I asked Chickadee if she had discussed with her therapist the possibility of her being on the autism spectrum. She said that she has mentioned it several times, but her therapist thinks it is simply her anxiety and depression mimicking those symptoms. So I asked if the therapist had given her a diagnostic test (or whatever it might be called). Chickadee did not answer, which indicates that the answer was no.

    Everyone in our family, who has known her since she was a child (obviously) believe strongly that she is indeed autistic to some degree. What we remember, and still see, goes beyond anxiety. My niece is a social worker, and has some training in this, and she is convinced that Chickadee is autistic (with probably what used to be called Asperger’s Syndrome).

    Also, several months ago (maybe over a year ago), Nightingale took a look at Chickadee’s medication, which she had left on the counter. Nightingale told me that she is on a very high dosage of Zoloft, much higher than she has seen prescribed for others.

    Those things, along with the McK’s household situation not being good for her (and I think it is even detrimental), have me feeling that my daughter is floundering and not getting the help and direction she actually needs. And I feel helpless to help her. So I have been crying out to God to intervene, to move in a deep and powerful way in my daughter’s heart and life. He truly is our only hope.

    (Please pray that my own faith and trust will be stronger, that as I continually entrust her to His care, I will have the peace that passes understanding. I know this isn’t the prayer thread, but I didn’t want to write all this on there.)

    Btw, as I pray for my own beloved daughter, I cannot help but also cry out for the other moms and grown children on here who are in difficult, painful circumstances.

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  19. Remember I mentioned that Mr. McK (YA’s dad) had been posting some pro-Trump political stuff on Facebook out of the blue, and YA had been commenting? She went on a long rant about how nobody who supports Trump can actually be a decent person, that even if they think they have non-racist reasons for supporting him (particularly his stance on illegal immigrants), their reasons turn out to be racist anyway. (She twisted some things around to come to that conclusion in her comment.)

    So I asked the obvious question: Do you believe all that about your father?

    I suspect she is going to ignore that.

    As for her dad, he’s the kind of infrequent Facebook user who posts then disappears. It is possible he isn’t even seeing her comments.


  20. Christmas 🎥 🎄 movies!

    So back when I first bought paint for this house I bought 1 gallon of a “Pro-Industrial Alkid Urathene” formula that was to be used on my metal garage door. The paint store said that would be needed to adhere to metal. I remember having a couple conversations about it with head painter as we went over supplies on hand periodically ~ that the one can was to be set aside for that door.

    He apparently forgot all about that and the can vanished, probably used by mistake somewhere else on the house, he said (I called the paint store today to make sure I had bought it and they said yes, back in the spring).

    But Sidekick painted the door just using the regular paint (which likely will peel off that metal surface) ~ lead painter said he’d buy another gallon of the special formula and redo it.

    I shouldn’t feel mean about letting him do that, right? I wouldn’t mind buying the paint again to be honest, though it was someone else’s (theirs) mistake it got used.

    I know he’s really distracted right now with taking care of his mom and is hardly ever here, Sidekick is on his own pretty much. But after all this, I really want to make sure it’s at least done right.


  21. The head painter should buy the paint and redo it and that is how it is. You are not to feel guilty, you bought the paint, you explained it. He chose to keep on the job even though the distraction had come up. If you want to, you can tip him when he is done. You do not have to. He is doing the agreed upon work at the agreed upon price. That is why they put in bids, because they think it can be done within the price they indicate. The purchaser selects the bid and goes with it.

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  22. Thanks mumsee.

    I probably *should* have suggested we clearly mark that can of paint GARAGE DOOR as it looked the same as the other cans (except for the label). I think I remember explaining it to him or reminding him of it more than once because he didn’t seem to ‘latch’ on to the distinction or something. But he knew. I just with something had been said to me before garage door was painted so this all would have been hashed out before the mistake was actually made.

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  23. So Carol and I made it to the CVS for her shopping run then we went by her old place, just a very short drive away; that whole episode (the sudden move-out, rumors of a building sale and condos going up, administration’s insistence — still — that the elevators are simply being fixed) remains a mystery. The front gate was padlocked but no sigs or other hints outside about what had happened or was going on.

    Her new place is way bigger and (just in my view) more institutional-like, but the residents all seem to like it.

    I told her I could buy her a small/regular meal at a drive through before taking her home but since she still had $21 in her bank account she said she’d rather buy herself a BIG meal. Ok, then so long as she’s paying for it.

    She managed to order $26 worth of food so I still had to pitch in the $5 extra when the bill was handed to us at the window and she was informed that her card wouldn’t fully cover the price.

    She’s now succeeded in getting to a Zero bank balance just 3 days into the new month. Congratulations I told her and she giggled. Some things won’t change. And yes, she later told me that she managed to eat all of that food in one sitting.


  24. I have a question (or probably more than one) to accompany this commentary that I hope doesn’t get too wordy.

    I have given to a specific pro-life organization for about the past ten years now. They send me requests for donations quite frequently (I think about once a month), and call sometimes, too. Lately they’ve really ramped up the number of mailings — i’ve gotten three from them in the past four or five weeks, even though in recent years I’ve only given once a year. This year it was July.

    One letter was dated September 28. The next one was dated “October.” Then came one dated October 19 that had a huge 9 X 12 priority mail envelope, with a postage-paid mailing label affixed to the “From” portion on the back of the envelope. (?)

    The October 19 letter said there’s a [very large dollar amount] matching challenge, so that whatever I give is doubled because of the generous donor’s gift. However, the letter says, this “offer disappears” if I don’t give by November 30.

    When I got the postage-paid envelope in the mail (why did they use such a huge mailer for someone to send a check back in?), I felt like I should send them something because of the expense they went to, and because obviously they believe in a cause I do, too.

    So I’d pretty much made up my mind that I would send them something, but hadn’t done so yet. I did plan to get it sent in before the end of the month, though, so my money would “go farther” with the matching funds.

    Today I got a phone call from an out-of-state zip code, and though I didn’t recognize it, I answered anyway. It was this pro-life organization I mentioned above, asking for a donation.

    I told them I’d received their recent mailing with the postage-paid envelope and would be sending it in, so I said no to giving a donation over the phone, as well.

    At which point the caller said, “We can send you a [whatever they call it, the word is escaping me at the moment] for X dollars [a figure lower than the first amount they asked me for].”

    I said no again.

    Then she said any amount I could give would be fine, and it would be matched by a grant. I told her that the mailing I’d just received from them had a matching fund challenge, as well, and that would be the route I’d be taking, as I wasn’t prepared to give right now.

    All I could think of right then, and I wished I had said it out loud, was that they’d gone to the expense of sending out a huge postage-paid mailer, now they want to go to more expense to mail me something that would bring in such a miniscule amount, it might not even cover the phone and mail expenses they’ve accrued trying to get me to give immediately? How is that helping them conserve dollars for helping the clients who use their services?

    Well, she finally gave up after I said no for about the third time.

    After I got off the phone (if you’ve read this far, let me assure you my question is coming soon), I took a look at that most recent letter again.

    And I started thinking…

    Why would someone who gifts an organization money specify that it be used for a matching challenge and indicate a time frame on when the offer “expires”? I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around a scenario where someone might say, “Here’s [X huge sum of money] to use as a matching-fund challenge, but only until such and such a date.”

    If someone has a lot of money to give, why don’t they just give it, without strings attached?

    Am I missing something here?

    The skeptic in me wonders if the “matching challenge” bit isn’t a gimmick to get donors to hurry up and give every time they’re asked. I sure felt pressured on the phone to give RIGHT THEN. The fact that I’d given every year, and several of them multiple times a year, for the last decade, never failing to send what I promised to send, and said I would be mailing in a donation soon, meant nothing to the caller.

    It didn’t leave a very good taste in my mouth, and I am considering using our charity fund to only give to one pro-life organization rather than the two I have been doing.


  25. 6 – It may be that the donor said “I’ll match any funds you receive by November 30 up to X amount,” so the organization is trying to get all it can in order to get the matching funds.

    That said, I wonder how much they spend on fundraising that could be put to better use. Is this a Christian-based pro-life group, like Birthright, or a secular group like National Right to Life? I cringe when Christian organizations turn to worldly methods to get funds. What happened to faith?

    As to the size of the envelope, I think the USPS only has one size Priority envelope. But those cost a lot ($5 or so?), so I don’t think you should give to this group, since they obviously don’t know how to economize. Whether you give or not, I say you should write them a kind letter and tell them your concerns.


  26. It’s a Christian-based organization, Peter. I agree that they don’t appear to be using their funds wisely. (Now that I write that, there are probably reports I could get on how they allocate their resources.)

    That mailer seemed over-the-top to me. It says Priority Mail on it, as well as Tracked and Insured. So the postage they paid would be even higher since they’re paying for insurance and tracking on it, too.

    The other pro-life group I support sends out maybe one or two mailings a year, and never calls. They’re a much smaller organization, and I get no indication whatsoever that they are wasteful.

    I’m inclined to think it better, anyway, to give generously to one organization (or a few well-selected charities) within a category, than to give meagerly to many.

    That said, I had also thought earlier today, after that phone call, of writing the larger pro-life organization a letter, just as you said, expressing my concerns. And, yes, it should be kind, and not a blowing-off-steam type of communication. 😉 I do think they could (and one would hope they want to) do better in respecting a person’s “No, not now” response, especially when they are a Christian organization.

    No means no.

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  27. 6 Arrows, such a matching grant is indeed common. Think of it this way. Let’s say you have a lot of money, or maybe you have long said, “If I had a lot of money, I would love to give some to this organization.” You inherit a lot of money, and you decide you can afford to give half a million dollars to this organization. You call them and ask how that much money can help them most. Do they want cash, do they want you to buy a specific item, or what? They tell you that they have learned over the years that many donors want their money to go farther and that a donor who can give to Organization A with a matching grant or similar Organization B, without one, will give to the matching grant. So they suggest that you allow them to develop a matching grant, and wait till near the end of the year to do it since people are more inclined to give near the end of the tax year.

    What I don’t really understand in that scenario is what happens if the full amount isn’t raised? That is, let’s say the organization with a half-million-dollar matching fund only manages to raise $350,000. Would the original donor really (in most cases) only give $350,000? If so, all that time and effort has really only increased the amount by $200,000, in that theoretical example. I’ve given to matching funds myself in the past, but I tend to think there’s a bit of a gimmick to it: “Don’t spend time thinking about whether or not we are someone you should give to. Time is running out; give now!”

    As I read your comment, I kept thinking I wonder if this is a scam. Did someone find a way to divert funds to themselves? Did someone die and leave his son in charge, and his son sees this as good money? Most likely not. Most likely they just have a new fund-raising director (whatever such a position might be called) who promised results OR they are in a financial hole and they’re desperate. The person making phone calls may get a percentage of whatever she can drum up. Whatever the case, I too would be inclined to think “I intended to give, but on further reflection, I am not sure I can support or encourage these methods.”


  28. 6, my opinion is going to sound blunt. But there are times when we should be blunt. The Christian pro-life movement has become big business. It employs a lot of people and nets a lot of money. I am prolife, but the activist organizations have become behemoths. I recently found that a prolife website had exaggerated the details of a story that went viral and created a lot of activist outrage in the prolife movement. As I have begun to realize the mighty motivation that the considerable funding behind evangelicalism’s pet political and legal projects has become, Peter’s language seems particularly appropriate: “Through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you” (II Peter 2:3). Lying – for exaggeration is lying – to drum up support is bearing rotten fruit. Jesus said that Satan was the father of lies, and Revelation states that among those who will be forbidden entry into the New Jerusalem are any who make lies. “Ye shall know them by their fruit.”

    We who are genuinely concerned about the injustice done to the weakest and most vulnerable in society ought to mourn over such evil, we must pray for justice to be done, and we can act when it is in our power to save lives and relieve suffering. But there are no campaigns in the epistles of the Apostles’ against the terrible practice of infant exposure that went on in the Roman empire and no fundraising campaigners to petition the Roman senate to stop the injustices contained in their cultural practice of paterfamilias, where a father could decide if his infant should live or die. Yet the Christians over the centuries and throughout waves of brutal persecution, did exert a quiet influence that eventually saw an end to that practice of exposing unwanted infants. Paul’s admonition to fathers who were Christian, to bring up and nurture their children, not exasperating them, was a direct counter to all that was evil about the custom of paterfamilias. In circa A.D. 120, the early church document Letter to Diognetus notes that Christians, while living like the surrounding culture in the food they ate and the clothes they wore and obeyed the laws of the land, yet they exceeded the law by their lives and did not participate in the immoral practices of the culture: “They beget children, as do all others, but they do not destroy their offspring.” The letter goes on to note that Christians, while living like strangers in their own countries, exert influence for good to those around them. That is precisely what Peter tells the church to do in his first epistle, telling Christians that they are free and thus must use their freedom to do good, “having a good conscience, that although they speak evil of you… they may be ashamed, that falsely accuse your good lifestyle in Christ” (I Peter 3:17, also 2:12, see also Matthew 5:16).

    Peter goes on to speak of the eventual justice that God will bring to all injustice, counselling patience in doing good as we wait for God’s justice. “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? (I Peter 4:17) and again in II Peter 3:9: “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness…” One thing all of these funding campaigns for Christian causes do is to try to put a sense of time, a sense of a need to hurry, a need to see results as soon as possible. But Peter notes that God has all the time in the world, as a thousand years is as one day to Him. God waited some three hundred years to send the flood after he told Noah he would send it. He waited until Abraham was over a hundred years old to give him the promised son. He waited four hundred years and then forty more to bring the Israelites to the Promised Land. He waited some 6000 years into history to send His Son to die on the cross for our sins. And littered through the story of that wait are warnings of what happens when humans become impatient and try to bring about God’s promises using human means. God is able and does bring good even out of their impatience, but the sin of their impatience and its consequences also remain: Sarah giving Hagar to Abraham; Lot’s daughters; Rebekah and Jacob’s deception of Isaac; the defeat of the children of Israel by the Amalekites and Canaanites when they tried to bypass God’s forty year curse for their faithlessness (Numbers 14:10-45). All resulted in suffering, loss, and death for those involved.

    The message is clear, do not try to anticipate God, for He does not give His glory to another. David was a man after God’s own heart, and when the opportunity arose, repeatedly, to take with his own hands, the crown from his enemy Saul, a crown for which he had already been anointed and promised, he would not lift his hands to take it. It was his faith that it was God, not himself, who would do what was promised although it took years of suffering as a fugitive, that so endeared David to the heart of God. As the prophet Hanani later said to David’s descendant Asa, after Asa decided to trust more to a military alliance with the king of Syria than to God’s protection, “The eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth to show himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. Herein, thou hast done foolishly” (II Chronicles 16:7-10).

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  29. Six, my answer is almost as complicated as the question. As Phos inferred, money raising is a business in itself. If you give to one in some category, you will receive requests for other like minded organizations. I, too, have given to some and get mail every month with a return envelope for them. I discard all of it. e.g. I belong ot Heritage Foundation. It is impossible to send enough to satisfy them. The letters keep coming anyhow. I gave to a group that provides assistance for families of slain police officers. I, now, get mail and phone calls from state police, local sheriffs and possibly others. I have been talked into making three donations to brest cancer. I didn’t mean to do that. It is best to determine what you will do and don’t be persuaded otherwise.
    The phone caller doesn’t care if you gave by mail. He/she wants you to respond the her. Not soon, not in a letter, now, preferably with a card numer.
    In dealing with the phone, my TV screen tells if “unvavailable” or strange number shows up, I don’t answer. Or, if I answer and no one responds immediately, it means that they are looking up the name of the respondent. So? I give them three seconds then hand up. If they don’t already know who they are talking to, I don’t want to talk to them.

    And during this campaign, if Tec Cruz or some Republican I don’t know loses, it will be my fault because I didn’t send them some money.
    I suggest that you do what you have decided to do and leave the rest alone. No matter how disparate they are.
    And everyone in the world wants you to send them only $19.00/mo.

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  30. Good Sunday to ya’ll…we woke to a bit of snow this morning but it has melted and we are enjoying a balmy 44 degrees….
    I am with Jo….I like to give to our local ministry as I worked there for many years and I am confident of their purpose and heart towards ministering to women. I have been so disappointed in the past with some ministries who seem to follow a “marketing plan”. You give them a “one time” gift and you will never get rid of them.


  31. Thank you for the collective wisdom shared here from those of you who responded to my comments last night.

    Cheryl: What I don’t really understand in that scenario is what happens if the full amount isn’t raised? That is, let’s say the organization with a half-million-dollar matching fund only manages to raise $350,000. Would the original donor really (in most cases) only give $350,000?

    I wondered exactly that myself.

    I tend to think there’s a bit of a gimmick to it: “Don’t spend time thinking about whether or not we are someone you should give to. Time is running out; give now!”

    Yes, there was definitely a sense of “hurry up!”, in both the letter and the phone call. Right in the second-paragraph of the five-page letter, they wrote, “Will you send this special POSTAGE-PAID PRIORITY MAIL ENVELOPE back in the next 72 hours?” (The all-caps bolded part was also underlined, but I don’t know how to do that.) It wasn’t until later in the letter that they said the matching funds would be available until a date five weeks away from the date of the letter. So sending in the contribution “in the next 72 hours” would be completely unnecessary.

    As I read your comment, I kept thinking I wonder if this is a scam.

    For a while, I wondered that, too, but in a different way. (I thought the phone caller may be a scammer pretending to be from the named organization.) The organization is based in the Eastern U.S., but the phone call came from a Midwestern area code. But then I figured they’ve maybe got call centers in different locations in the U.S. However, my caller ID used to identify the organization by name (and I don’t remember which area code those came from); now my ID only shows a number, not a name, when they call. I see I have gotten about half a dozen calls from that area code in the last two weeks, but I didn’t answer any of them until yesterday. I have a feeling all of them were from this organization, even though the numbers varied, including the middle three numbers, not just the last four.

    In any case, the caller did know how much I’d given the previous time, because she thanked me for that contribution level and asked if I’d give again at that level. So I assumed an impersonator of that organization wouldn’t know what I’d given previously to the actual organization.

    The types of scamming you talked about, though, could be possibilities, and ones I didn’t think of.

    Roscuro: One thing all of these funding campaigns for Christian causes do is to try to put a sense of time, a sense of a need to hurry, a need to see results as soon as possible.

    Yes to that, and in addition to what I wrote above to Cheryl regarding the 72-hour turnaround and all the urgency a statement like that can provoke, they also, on the first page, wrote, “Just today — October 19, there will be as many as 3,000 abortions performed in the United States of America.”

    I don’t know if that’s an accurate number, but it certainly tries to make a person feel like something has to be done RIGHT NOW. (Is God not acting fast enough, so we have to do the hurrying to stop all this as soon as possible?)

    Chas, what you describe has happened to us, too. We gave to some law enforcement association fund drive one time, and now we get all manner of calls from this and that and the other and the other other agency.

    Same thing with cancer funds, especially for children. Several years ago we were giving to four or five of those organizations and each would call every few months. The ones that were children’s cancer funds were very hard to turn down. They’d relay all these sad stories about children in treatment and the heartbreaking financial situations of the parents who love those children, and would you please give to bring some sunshine and light to their lives.

    Boy, talk about exploiting a person’s emotions to give again and again to people one doesn’t know (actually, to give to organizations whose financial handlings may keep a lot of the funds from the people they purport to serve). Those callers didn’t take no for an answer easily, either, once I started saying (truthfully) that I was providing material support for the friends of mine who had cancer. Then they start with the, “But these people [we’re telling you about] need financial supporters, too.”

    Jo and NancyJill, I agree, giving to local ministries one knows well, especially through experience working at them, is far better than going through a huge, distant group who may not be as above board as they like to make themselves sound.

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  32. DJ – I agree with Mumsee about it being the lead painter’s responsibility to pick up the tab for the garage door paint. But I understand if you want to foot the bill, as I would probably feel the same, if I could afford it.

    Kind of on the flip side of this matter, I am reminded of a dear friend’s father. He owned a small construction business, but didn’t really have a head for the business end. He would give an estimate and start the job. Then the clients would add things they wanted done, but he would not increase his fee from the original estimate. As a result, they struggled financially.


  33. Re: ministries trusting God to provide. Evangelist Dave Roever once turned down the offer from a wealthy woman to completely fund a new project. He said he wanted it to be funded by donations from many people, to spread around the blessing that comes from giving, and also as part of trusting God to provide.

    Remember when Oral Roberts claimed that God told him to raise so many millions of dollars in donations by a certain time, and that if he didn’t, God would take him home (to Heaven)? If I have the story straight, as time was running out, some rich guy ponied up the rest of the money.

    Am I terrible for having wanted to see him not reach his goal, and then see what would happen? I seriously doubt God would have ended his life.


  34. Are any of you familiar with “tapping”? It is supposed to be a healing technique (for physical or emotional healing), and is kind of popular around here. There is a New-Agey center in town that has been touting it on Facebook.

    X’s grandmother believes in it (or at least she used to), and Nightingale practiced it for a while. As this Wikipedia article says, it is part of EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques).

    “EFT has no benefit as a therapy beyond the placebo effect or any known-effective psychological techniques that may be provided in addition to the purported “energy” technique. It is generally characterized as pseudoscience and it has not garnered significant support in clinical psychology.

    EFT-tapping points

    During a typical EFT session, the person will focus on a specific issue while tapping on “end points of the body’s energy meridians”.”



  35. Kizzie, I went ahead and texted him this morning that I’d buy the paint. I’m still under their 40% off sale price I was locked into when this project began and I don’t think the gallon of paint will amount to that much. None of their paint at SW is exactly cheap, but with the 40% off it’s affordable. And I do feel like we, together, should have figured out how to set that can apart with a homemade label of some kind.

    Sounds like our church is going to be purchase Psalters in the upcoming months. 🙂

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  36. (He could get the 40% off, too, by mentioning that he’s under my account at the store — but I can probably pick it up with less hassle; we may need more extra-bonding primer, too; Sidekick did use that, as suggested, on the garage door, just not the special topcoat formula for the color.)


  37. purchasing.

    Ugh, I can type today!

    I think I’ve figured out a way to get the dogs to use that ramp for Jeep access. I’m going to try it out going to the dog park this afternoon.

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  38. I am impressed with Teen Challenge’s way of making calls. They call only occasionally, and some of those calls are only for asking if they can pray with us about anything. And then they pray right then and there! And they do not end by asking for any donation.

    Back when I was a new Christian, we had sent donations to Jimmy Swaggart’s ministry. After his sexual sin being exposed, we got so many desperate appeals in the mail, including at least one that claimed that this was an attack of the devil, and that if Swaggart’s ministry went under, millions would go to hell because he wasn’t there to evangelize them. I may have been a fairly new Christian of only a couple years or so, but I knew enough to know that God could raise up others to preach, that Swaggart wasn’t His only option.

    After Pastor Kris left our church a few years ago, we had a wonderful interim pastor, Pastor John. He once said that while living in Louisiana (I think it was), he attended the church Jimmy Swaggart preached at. He came to feel that the sermons were all “What We Are Preaching Against This Week.”


  39. Kizzie: Re: ministries trusting God to provide. Evangelist Dave Roever once turned down the offer from a wealthy woman to completely fund a new project. He said he wanted it to be funded by donations from many people, to spread around the blessing that comes from giving, and also as part of trusting God to provide.

    I’m not sure I agree with that approach, rejecting a large gift to get a whole bunch of smaller gifts to add up to the amount.

    I think, as I said earlier, that it’s better for donors with X amount of charity funds to give larger gifts to fewer ministries, rather than tiny gifts to many ministries.

    Think of it this way. If one has $150 to give, and decides to give $15 to 10 charities, then those charities will probably send out a thank you for the $15 gift they received. The cost of the mailing or the phone call, or the wage paid to the person who does the calling to say thank you will be a big percentage of the original gift.

    Contrast that with a donor who allocates their $150 to two ministries, $75 each. The follow-up cost for the recipient to acknowledge the gift is a much lower percentage of the original gift.

    If a ministry needs funds rolling in regularly (and, let’s face it, even ministries that need to fund a new project will probably need to fund new projects in the future — a project not usually being a one-time deal, and then there will never be another project need again), then it’s going to cost them more money to communicate with a large donor base than it would if they had a small number of donors.

    His reasoning doesn’t make sense from either a financial standpoint or a faith one. IMHO, he’s laying expectations on people to give according to his terms. Trusting God to provide doesn’t involve telling people how or when they should give, nor does it mean God didn’t provide when one person, instead of a whole bunch of people, provided the funds.

    There isn’t any virtue in proposing or following an approach like that. Let the Spirit move in the hearts of His people as He will.

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  40. 6 Arrows – I see your point. It’s been a couple decades at least since that happened, so I don’t remember exactly how he explained it, but the gist was that it took more faith for him, at least in this particular case, to let the donations come as they will, rather than accept it all paid off at once. ISTM that he believed his decision was prompted by the Holy Spirit.

    I’m pretty sure part of it, too, was that when we give to a specific need, God rewards us in some way, so he believed that many people should experience that in this particular case, rather than only one person. This was “case specific” in that he didn’t seem to believe that he could never accept large donations at all, just for this particular project. IIRC, he raised the money as he traveled around to different churches, not in mailing appeals.


  41. DJ – No, I haven’t. I thought about it, but then decided I didn’t want to take on any new shows this year. It does look intriguing.

    What did you mean by “Sidekick ensured Teen Challenge of skipping my house forevermore.” Did he talk to someone from TC and scare them off?


  42. Kizzie, yes, he cornered the poor kid one Saturday, I felt kind of bad for him. 😦

    I haven’t watched Manifest either but decided to check it out last night on On Demand — interesting biblical references early on, I started out liking it but as it went on through later episodes I got a bit bored.

    I think with these mysteries producers really need to write tight — a movie or very abbreviated series makes for a better format as it has a beginning middle and end. Too often they try to drag it out for multiple seasons. This one’s been compared to “Lost” (which I didn’t watch either).

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  43. My mother said that one of her brothers (not the one mentioned on another thread), when I went overseas, expressed a wish that he had enough money to fund my entire expenses. My mother said she replied that it was good that I needed to have help from multiple donors, as that meant more people would be motivated to take an interest to keep updated and pray for me. Obviously, I have solicited funds. I did so reluctantly, as I have experienced provision without prompting anyone for money, but it was something the agency I went with expected me to do. I tried to make my letter for support as non-pressuring as possible, and I was trusting the Lord to provide what I needed in His own way, which he did. But the letter was also a way of letting others who knew me but hadn’t had recent contact with me know what I was doing. Certainly, one of the two churches who gave me support me would not have been aware of my going had I not informed them, as I had not attended there for a while. I didn’t go to all that great an expense when thanking people for their support.

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  44. Hey, 6 Arrows – I’m baaaaack!

    DJ – Lost was the best show that ever disappointed me. It was a good show for much of its run, but they did try to stretch it out too long. The ending made it seem like they were all actually already dead, but that didn’t make sense with other things that happened. And the producers and writers claim that no, they weren’t actually dead or in “purgatory”, which makes the ending even more confusing.

    The neat thing, though, is that the show began with Jack Shepherd’s eyes opening as he came to after the crash, and ended with him, back at that same moment, closing his eyes again, supposedly in death.


  45. Peter, yes, I grew on stories people like George Mueller, and others who were called heroes of the faith. But it was Brother Andrew, not Mueller, whose ministry by faith I found an inspiration. We had a Victorian era biography of Mueller, and he seemed a very difficult person in reality, more ascetic than he needed to be. He held, if the sources I read were correct, that God would not provide so long as we had resources of our own, that we basically needed to sell all our unnecessary possessions before God would take over. Brother Andrew, on the other hand, was much more down to earth about it all, and acknowledged the need to ensure his family was sufficiently provided for and not neglecting their needs even when living by faith.


  46. I stopped by the paint store on the way home from the dog park and bought another can of the “industrial” formula garage door paint.

    The can is now on the patio with a note taped to it that reads (in big, red “Sharpie” letters) GARAGE DOOR.

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  47. So Manifest — just to ruin another show for Mumsee — begins with the mom reminding the grown daughter that “everything works together for good …”

    She says, “Mom, I don’t believe that anymore.”

    The family is having to split up to get flights home from Jamaica to NYC.

    The flight the daughter and her brother (and his small son with cancer) take is Flight 828.

    Turbulence ensues, the flight finally lands in NY — but in the “real world” it’s 5 years later. The flight supposedly vanished from view and was presumed lost, passengers presumed dead.

    Anyway, good start, but it seemed to lose steam (in my mind) after about the 3rd episode or so.


  48. I drafted a one-page letter tonight to the pro-life organization I referred to last night. It’s on my computer; I’m going to let it sit for a bit, then reread it later this week, tweak it if necessary, then print and send it. I’m running low on printer ink, so will get some Friday on errands day.

    You guys have a good week. I have four days in a row with no place I have to go, so I’m hoping for a good chance to really throw myself into the home routine this week, planning to try some new things with homeschooling. I’ll let you know at the end of the week how it all went. (Hopefully there will be more raves than rants.) 🙂

    Later, y’all.

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