54 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 9-21-18

  1. Morning all. Welcome to Friday. It was a quiet day here even with a church camp outside the front gate, They will be there for another week and we can hear bits of the worship and message.

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  2. Good morning. I am listening to roosters crow, turkeys flying down from the trees, and coyotes yapping. Just finished reading in Job, Proverbs, Ezekiel, and Luke. It is a beautiful day which will become more obvious when the sun comes up and lights things up.

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  3. Good Morning! Autumn is slowly creeping into this forest today…brisk cool temps taking my breath away! It has been oh so hot around here setting record temps in our region. Thankful for the respite! 😊 (and I finally was blessed to finish a lovely book for which I will now write a review…honestly I did not want this book to end….perhaps it has not!!…I now have this urge to bring out my poppies and place them in a vase…I do believe upon seeing them I should smile!)

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  4. From my experience I have found poppies have no scent….but they bring a smile every time I see them! I purchased some very life like artificial poppies a few years ago and I own an antique canvas painting of poppies in a basket….my favorite although not in the best condition. Upon seeing your book cover and seeing the contrast of the saturated colors of the sky, the poppies and Claire standing in the field…well it just caused me to say “awww”!! Loved the story behind the creation of it all Michelle!

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  5. And by the way, a dear friend from TX texted me asking about Mrs Oswald Chambers. I told her of the book last Spring and she has just finished listening to an audio book on Oswald Chamber. She remembered my telling her of Biddy and she now wants to know more about her….so I shall be sending to her a copy today… 😊

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  6. Thank you! A balm to my heart.

    God is so good. I’ve been fretting about either Poppy or the baby all week long–not sleeping but praying in the middle of the night. I woke up today an emotional mess and then my son called at 5:30 and who cares?

    Only a healthy baby and mom are important to me right now. 🙂

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  7. It’s a full day for me today, covering the funeral of the boy who was killed in the Korean War but whose remains were only recently identified and returned to his family. I’ve already done a lengthy story on him and what happened so today will be a follow in that sense. But it’ll be a very emotional event, with at least one Korean War vet who served with him and knew him expected to be in attendance.

    After that I have to continue working on a story about an old, dilapidated house that stands in the way of a glass tower development planned for the port’s downtown area. It’s the oldest remaining house in that entire vicinity (1895, a “folk Victorian” which I’d never heard of before) but it is in absolutely horrible shape and has been radically altered on the inside, making it not worth saving in many people’s minds. But the city of LA is doing a historical resources assessment on it while the Singapore-based developer of 2 years is put further behind schedule and behind budget. I see this morning he did answer my email from yesterday so that’s good.

    And it also appears that the recall fever is spreading across the city over the temporary homeless shelters the mayor wants to build in all 15 districts.

    Meanwhile, the house painting goes on with more work today. The patio is mostly done and looks really nice. Nothing like fresh paint to perk a house up and mine has been in dire need of that for a number of years now.

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  8. We’re all over the coyote issue out here. One of our local cities reported they’d trapped and euthanized … one … coyote in the past two years. Residents who’ve lost pets aren’t impressed.

    That little bird better watch out for the monster that’s in the forest. He’s got an empty plate to fill. It’s almost October, after all.

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  9. Last night I wrote:

    “Okay, I have an off-the-wall question. Have any of you seen the children’s show Caillou? If so, do you think Caillou acts like a typical four year old? If not, do you think he acts younger or older?

    This question stems from a silly Facebook discussion on the show. I’ll fill you in on it later or tomorrow. 🙂”

    Roscuro replied: “Caillou is a whiny brat – that is the general consensus of the young parents and even teenagers in my circle of acquaintance.”

    A lot of people seem to say that. Nightingale and I can see how people could think the show may be annoying, but it seems popular to say one hates it. I think the voice they have given him has a whiny tone, but that doesn’t mean he is whining all the time. As for him being a brat, that would imply that he is disrespectful and disobedient, but he is not. The troubles he gets into are usually due to misunderstanding expectations or trying to handle something that is beyond him. He is not portrayed as a bad boy getting into trouble and talking back. He is respectful to the adults in his life.

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  10. I wrote this about 4:00 in the morning, but since most people wouldn’t see yesterday’s blog at that time (and were unlikely to answer it if they did read it), I decided to wait and post it here, even though it was continuing yesterday’s discussion (women being required to wear uncomfortable or borderline immodest clothes for work): I too don’t think it is as simple as “Just don’t wear that; get another job.” Yes, I think the woman who is required to wear something that violates her conscience should turn down the job offer, but someone else is going to take the job. And if it is the “standard” dress code everywhere, then she either takes such a job or goes without.

    I recently got into a discussion with someone who believes that young women who dress in clothes she considers immodest (which is pretty much all clothing, but that’s another story) are doing it to attract attention from men. I told her no, more likely most of them are wearing it because it’s in style and thus (1) they don’t really even think about it and (2) they can’t realistically buy something else if they try.

    When I first moved to Nashville, I tried for a long time–about three years, as I recall–to buy some new pairs of pants. Periodically I would go to two or three stores, different ones than I tried last time, and try on pants, but I simply couldn’t find any. That is because the pants of that era, at least in the South, were ALL “low-rise” pants. I cannot wear those pants, not only because of modesty (I could just wear long shirts if that was the only issue), but because they are uncomfortable on me and because they just do not stay up, belt or no belt. It’s stupid to wear a pair of pants that I literally (no exaggeration) cannot walk down a single aisle in the store without having to pull them up because another few steps and they will fall off me, even though they aren’t actually loose on me. The only other option is to wear them so tight that they are immodest and even more uncomfortable. And yes, I could have gone to dresses-only during that period, but that’s impractical for other reasons, and it’s insane to have such limited options. I also could have bought pants at thrift stores, but my experience in thrift stores is mostly bad (including problems breathing and rarely finding anything to buy, anyway), so that isn’t realistic, either. (I did eventually discover that Nashville had thrift stores better than any place I’ve lived before or since, but I didn’t know that then; I’d given up on shopping in thrift stores after several bad experiences.)

    The only reason I managed to make it, clothed, during that period was by continuing to wear a couple of pairs of pants that were eventually worn out enough I would have usually thrown them away. Had I gained 20 or 30 pounds, or had I been a growing teenage girl, I’d have been in trouble. (And by the way, I was underweight, so gaining 20 pounds wouldn’t otherwise have been a bad idea.)

    It isn’t as simple as saying, “Teenage girls shouldn’t wear tight jeans” if that is the only thing they can buy. First, it will be what all their friends are wearing and it thus is perfectly “normal” to them. But if that is all that is in the store, their options are really limited, anyway. My mom got around that in 1980 by buying my pants from the Sears catalog–but that really, really hurt any chance I might have otherwise had to make friends. I looked around my eighth-grade classroom one day and realized that everyone else in the room (boys, girls, and teacher) was wearing blue jeans, and I was wearing one of my two pairs of slacks (one was rather bright green, and the other might have been royal blue), and both pairs of pants were elastic-waisted “old-lady pants” with a sewn-in crease down the front of the leg. Was it better to be that hideously, obviously out of style than to wear the blue jeans that were in style in 1980? Maybe, but it’s an extremely hard call. Teenagers really do get bullied for that sort of thing, and I did. Nowadays one can buy clothing through the internet, and probably can somehow find modest pants that aren’t quite so horrid as those were–but it’s a very untenable position. The fashion industry is a very inflexible one, and teenagers can be quite cruel. Asking teenagers to be that out of step with peers is akin to asking them to die for their faith, and it’s a hard call to convince them that one’s own standard of modesty is quite that important.


  11. The year I married I went to several bridal shops, saw literally thousands of dresses, and none–I mean that literally–had sleeves. I asked about that, and the saleslady told me, “No one wants sleeves this year, so those dresses wouldn’t sell.” Baloney! A friend of mine bought her wedding dress through a consignment store for that reason, and I had my dress made partly for that reason. If you stock 2,000 dresses, and just five of them have sleeves, those five with sleeves are probably going to sell very well, since the percentage of brides who insist on sleeves will all be funneled to that narrow range of choices. (And if you think that hardly any brides will wear something so clearly out of style, then just like the saleslady, you aren’t considering overweight brides who want a little more coverage, older brides who don’t care whether they are wearing this year’s fad, women who get cold too easily to wear sleeveless, and whatever percentage of brides think that sleeveless dresses are immodest. Those categories may individually be small, but if 2,000 brides includes a total of 100 of those brides–and surely it must, as a minimum–it’s utterly foolish not to include a few such dresses in your line. But the fashion industry wants you to have truly no choice about buying this year’s styles.)

    The funny thing is, a couple of months after I had chosen to get my bridal gown made, I went into David’s Bridal, and on prime display was a long-sleeved gown. Surprised, I asked about it, and was told it was the princess’s dress (their knock-off, of course). But had it not been for “the princess” marrying the same year I did, David’s would not have had any long-sleeved dresses that year, or any dresses with sleeves of any length. And that’s stupid. And that’s something the modesty police MUST take into account, because you simply cannot tell an 18-year-old girl that Jesus will love her only if she sews her own clothes (which is indirectly the lesson learned when you tell a girl that ALL of the clothes available for purchase in her city are too immodest and she is sinning if she wears any of them).


  12. Thankfully, you can usually buy jeans or pants in different styles (natural waist, which I also prefer, low waist, full cut, skinny cut, slim cut, boot cut, etc.) through places like LL Bean, Eddie Bauer, etc. As Cheryl says, it’s another upside of the Internet.

    Selections in stores are usually pretty limited to whatever is in style at that moment (but likely will change by next month!), especially for teens.

    When I was in high school, the low, hip-waist jeans/pants were in style and we all loved and had them. When I was in college, the high-waisted jeans/pants with wide legs came into style. We all wore those, too. Fashion does dictate one’s wardrobe in a particular age range, from your teens through the 20s.

    Now at my age the challenge is trying to find non-frumpy styles you can wear. 🙂 I’ll see something and think, Oh, how cute is that? For someone who’s 20 or 30 or even 40. … Sigh.


  13. The personality of a cartoon character isn’t really an issue of importance, but I bring it up because of a Facebook post from YF. Surprisingly to me, Nightingale, who usually avoids Facebook debates, got into one with YF and YF’s friend MT about it. YF and MT are on the “I hate Caillou” bandwagon. Okay, that’s fine if that’s their opinion.

    But YF framed her opinion as coming from her years of experience of babysitting (which is how she is making her money these days, too), in that way she has of making it seem like she is an expert on whatever the issue might be. She also mentioned her education in child psychology. Her reply was very long.

    Nightingale was way more blunt than I would ever be, pointing out the ridiculous length of YF’s comment, and the exaggeration and condescension in it. YF was none too pleased about that, and MT suggested that Nightingale needed to do some introspection. (Huh?) (I suspect that YF’s good friends only see the sweet side of her, and don’t see that other side because they have not disagreed with her.)

    I kind of came to Nightingale’s defense, pointing out that she has almost as many years of dealing with children (as a children’s church worker, nanny, and daycare worker, as well as having her own child) as YF. YF then accused Nightingale of being the one who was acting like an expert with her “empirical” first statement. That statement happened to be obvious hyperbole for the sake of a little humor. (Yes, I pointed that out.)

    Anyway, Nightingale has now experienced for herself how YF can be. Of course, she already knew it, having seen my past exchanges with her.

    (Would you consider this to be condescending? “Honestly, [Nightingale] and [Kizzie], you are the only people over eight years old I’ve talked to about it who have positive thoughts on Caillou.”)


  14. My mom bought my pants and some of my shirts, in the boy’s dept. They fit and they looked nice, and they did not cost as much. We do the same with our girls. Husband has tried buying shirts for eleven year old in the girl’s dept, they find something cute, bring it home, and did not check to see if it had a back, which it often does not have. Bizarre. Why would an active little girl want something like that? She doesn’t.

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  15. Nightingale used to be more fashion conscious, but these days she mostly wants clothes that can look nice but be comfortable for an active woman.

    I like clothes that are pretty but comfortable. I don’t like wearing t-shirts or sweatshirts, as they don’t seem pretty or feminine enough to me, but the clothes I choose are comfy nonetheless.


  16. My mother told me years ago that most women buy clothes with the other women in her social circle in mind–not the men. I have found that to be true. I don’t think a lot of young women even realize what the boys may think. There are exceptions, of course.

    I was startled years ago when hearing someone talk about never wearing a t-shirt with writing on it, since a man would have to stare at it to read it. I, honestly, had never thought about it. Naturally, there are placements of design elements that look immodest. To assume that a man will lust because he reads a t-shirt seems a bit strong, however.


  17. I think you’re right, girls and women don’t realize. I was at a Boy Scout function and the man across the table from me kept staring at my chest.

    I became really uncomfortable until I realized he was counting all the Boy Scout pins on the necklace I wrote around my neck!

    Not his fault!

    When I wear that necklace now, I’m more careful that I have a high necked non-tight shirt on!

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  18. I agree, girls dress to impress other girls. Boys dress to impress other boys, until a certain age, then they clean up. At least around this house, that is what I have seen.


  19. Caillou? The whiny, bald kid?

    He wasn’t a brat, although he was a little weird. (he’s Canadian so….) 🙂

    But his annoying, effeminate father was what I found most annoying. Liz and I liked his Grandpa and Gilbert the cat the best.

    Please tell me that’s not still on…..

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  20. AJ – I think the mistake they made is that the voicing of the character has a whiny tone to it without him necessarily whining. But yeah, the voice is annoying.

    Do you think he seemed like a four year old, or older, or younger?


  21. I haven’t seen Caillou in years so my memory may be off, but I never thought of his voice as whiny or his behavior bratty. I thought the show was okay, but not one of my favorites to watch with my young ones.

    Yes, Kizzie, that comment by YF was condescending. I hope you never take to heart anything she says about you.

    Regarding women’s shirts with writing: The experience Michelle described is why I don’t read a woman’s shirt if it takes more than a glance to do so. It’s not because I need to refrain or order to avoid lustful temptation, it’s because I don’t want to make her uncomfortable (or to appear to any bystanders to be staring).

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  22. Peter, I too loved the Arizona poppies (though if I remember correctly, the species of that flower is actually California poppies), but I don’t think they appeared every spring, just wet springs. At least they were notable some years and not others. I remember being at White Tanks one year that the poppies were everywhere, and really it’s that one unusual year I remember when I think of the poppies.

    I too think that girls dress to please other girls–or themselves. I’ve generally chosen a clothing item based on it being something I myself liked. But I was never part of a circle of friends and simply never had other girls with whom to compare clothing choices. As an adult, I have occasionally had other people take me shopping and give input on my selections, which I have sometimes taken and sometimes declined.

    When I was preparing to meet my husband in person, a friend from church insisted on taking me shopping (and my best friend also went along). We bought several shirts, at least one pair of pants, two dresses, and a cute little jacket. The blouses were some of his favorite of my clothes, and I really liked one of the dresses. One dress I allowed her to buy only because both of them insisted it was “made for me” and I had to get it, though I personally just didn’t like it. I wore it a few times (including one time when he was in town, when I found to my dismay that it was nearly impossible to get in and out of a car modestly with that particular dress on) . . . but a few months later I went to a banquet, where another woman was wearing that particular dress. Her figure was just about the opposite of mine (I am tall and in those days I was thin; she was short and heavy and busty), and when I looked at her in that dress, I thought, “No, that dress was not made for me, it was made for her.” I don’t think I ever wore it again, and I gave it away before we moved. And I didn’t realize until I got home with the pants that they didn’t have any pockets. Now, I dislike it that most women’s skirts don’t have pockets, but pants without pockets are a really big pet peeve, and I will not knowingly buy such pants (except, occasionally, sweat pants, since I only wear those at home and have less need of pockets at home–though even at home, in some seasons I keep tissues in my pockets). In general I have found that I do best choosing my own clothes. That was an amazingly sweet thing to do, though, taking me shopping, and I did end up with a few clothes for our dates over the next few months.

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  23. Just got back from the grocery store (speaking of reading T-shirts). The older man checking out in the next lane had one I commented on, and then he showed it to everyone: “Illinois. Where our governors make our license plates.” (Or something like that.)

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  24. Have you ever notice that the self-appointed or so-called experts rarely have real world experience with the subject in which they are the expert?

    We did not watch Calliou. I didn’t like him and neither did BG. I never gave it much more thought than that. Back then I had other opinions on parenting and it was one less show she wanted to watch.

    Of course, having had my own experience with YF and being blocked by her on Facebook, I am inclined to be more positive about Calliou just to spite her.

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  25. Thanks DJ. When I was a little girl my grandparents lived in a house almost identical to this one. It was painted blue and flipped with the bay window on the left and three windows on the right side porch.

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  26. We are having computer issues at the office today. No fun.

    Karen told me she took Uber to the doctor’s office. She said most of the drivers have Honda Civics and she has to sit in the backseat. That hurts her. She has an oxygen tank and her walker. I feel badly that she seems in able to find the help she needs. I can’t do it all the time. So often I think to myself, “Where are the Dem friends and family?” They seem to live in a utopian fantasy where someone else will always take care of needs and pay the costs.


  27. When I was talking to my source/realtor on the old house story I asked what style he thought the house was, maybe Victorian? He said no way, he’s from SF and it’s not that, he thought Craftsman though he conceded this one did have some Victorian-like ‘flourishes’ around the porch.

    But later in the day I interviewed someone from the LA Conservancy and asked them. He was the one who told me “folk Victorian,” said it predated Craftsman style houses.

    I went back to the original source/realtor who said, ah, a “poor man’s Victorian” then. He found an old ad for “Modern Homes” that included a drawing for a kit house that looked similar to the folk style.

    This is going to be a very long day. The outdoor military funeral (there were 500 people there, including active-duty Marines from Fox Co. (which the deceased Marine was in back in Korea) who attended on their day off.

    Very moving ceremony, seems like the kid’s (he’s still 20 in everyone’s mind though he’s been gone now for 68 years) entire Mexican-American neighborhood turned out in force, along with numerous veterans groups. His family is from a section in town that people don’t move away from, generation after generation, so everyone grows up and old knowing all their neighbors’ and their relatives and stories. I guess after the family picked up the remains at LAX the other night they drove them through the old neighborhood before taking them to the mortuary.

    Not a dry eye after this morning’s symbol-rich Catholic-military service was over, that’s for sure. But it was warm out there in the sun (and I decided to dress for fall so was very hot) and it went on for 90 minutes, during which time I missed a call from the Singapore developer and city of LA historian I needed to talk to.

    So now I’m playing catch-up, seeing if I can actually produce these two kind of major stories in the course of the afternoon.

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  28. My siblings, dear friend, and I figured out in our teen years that girls dress to impress other girls. My siblings and I were, of course, the odd ones out, due to our misguided belief that skirts were the only modest dress for women, but it didn’t really bother us, because we were homeschooled and thus didn’t have to put up with the mockery or shunning of classmates in high school. It has been some years since I realized that trousers are just as, or even more modest than skirts for women. I still always wore skirts when I entered college for my first nursing course. Wearing scrubs was a big step for me, and I didn’t start regularly wearing trousers until a couple of years ago. Up here, it would be folly to wear skirts, and a sure way of getting frostbite. The traditional dress of the women involves trousers, of course, and a very graceful feminine parka called an amauti – the popular idea is that women carry their babies in the hood of the amauti, because that is how it looks, but actually the babies are carried in a pouch that is behind the hood.


  29. Your comment, Roscuro, reminds me of the summer my husband and I were enjoying the scenic shore of Lake Superior. A family that looked like homeschoolers were there. All the girls were in skirts. The thing is that between the water and wind, those skirts did not always leave a lot to the imagination. Pants would have been far more modest.

    Of course, my generation remembers not being able to wear pants to school (except under a skirt during the winter) so we were happy to be able to wear those pants. There are times pants just make sense.

    My mom was thrilled when women started wearing pants. Freedom to move and not worry about a skirt is nice.


  30. K, yes, we tried to do things like swing on swings, and climb trees while wearing skirts. Whenever I see pictures of me at the time, I wince inwardly. We were healthy and active girls, and the skirts really cramped our style (we had worn trousers until we joined ATI). Adolescence is already an awkward age without adding another complication.

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  31. Dresses were required my first years of school also, but we always wore shorts under them so we could still do the monkey bars and such. Changed into pants as soon as we got home, of course. We wore long pants under them in the winter, but had to take them off for class, putting them back on for recess.


  32. When I was 18 I counseled at camp for the first time. I was told that girl campers were allowed to wear pants or dresses, but they asked that women counselors wear dresses or skirt and blouse, except (if we chose) during the activity time. We were allowed to wear sneakers if we wished.

    The camp property was on hilly territory. It wasn’t particularly practical, when in charge of active eight- or ten-year-olds (I had half a week with tens, and then they switched me to the eights when their co-counselor was sent home) to return to the cabin to change clothes twice during the day, so I usually just stayed in the dress. And I wore it with tennies and socks, because you simply cannot tramp around outdoors, and up and down stairs, in shoes with minimal support. It was a stupid guideline, and I was glad when they changed it the next year.


  33. when I first came, I was told that it was more culturally appropriate. It is the thigh that is not to be seen. So a tunic type top with pants is fine. I do not like tunic tops, they don’t go with my long torso. Over the years more and more gals are wearing pants here. The weather here is also perfect for wearing skirts, think Spring all year round. They are also more comfortable. Some visitors seem to not care. We also wear swimsuits with long shorts, to the knee. Of course there are not many places to go swim.

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  34. Looking out my window right now, there is a group of junior high girls using tarp as a slip and slide and giggling. They are all in swim wear and all have on long shorts and modest tops.


  35. It has now gotten to be that skirts are so much more comfortable for me, I even travel wearing a skirt for the long flights. Of course that also means I always get the extra security screening in case I am using a skirt to hide something.


  36. Ugh, I caught one mouse while at work – put it in the dumpster. On the way home, another trap snapped and as I looked down, I oversteered and ended up off the road and hit a tree rather hard. I’m okay, but quite sore. Car was towed – not sure if it’s totalled or not. 😦

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  37. Oh No, kare! Mice are evil.

    We also used to have to wear dresses in elementary school but my girlfriends in the neighborhood and I couldn’t wait to change into jeans, sneakers and T-shirts as soon as we got home. 🙂 Our mothers lamented.

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  38. Military funeral service took all day to write, but turned out ok anyway since the old house story required a city interview I couldn’t get until Monday anyway. Long, long day.

    No painter today, he had leg cramps and wanted to take the day off, I said of course. They’ve been working something like 10+ days straight so needed some time off, I think.

    Real Estate Guy, who snaps the whip on workers, told me not to let up, they have more to do! Sheesh.

    Let’s build a pyramid!

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  39. Kare, hope it wasn’t the Jeep? Just because I’m sentimental to them. 🙂

    Take care, maybe you should get some X-rays just to make sure nothing’s seriously amiss? But you’re probably right, most likely just soreness that’ll last a while, unfortunately.


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