27 thoughts on “News/Politics 6-5-18

  1. You folks have been kind to let a NeverTrumper hang around this long. This is a place where I have been completely honest, often to a fault. I have learned a great deal from you. I really think now is the time for me to pull away. The grandson is coming and my golf game needs work. Good luck to each of you. Twenty years from now we may understand better what God was doing in our country in these days and we will probably all be surprised.

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  2. Agree with michelle. Consider still hanging around.

    The sheer heat and intensity of this thread sometimes can be off-putting for some of us. Maybe if there’s more restraint all around and a willingness to back away when the tone begins to sharpen or become too harsh & personal? Just a thought. I keep going back to what our pastor said last week, that we Christians should not “sound like our enemies” when we engage in debate. I’ve certainly been guilty of that urge (which I think is why I’ve simply chosen to drop out of the political spectator sport for the time being — it’s just safer for some of us lol ).

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  3. But, please, don’t go. As heated as the debate gets, it’s good also to have a place where these things can be hashed out. It’s also been interesting for some of us mere observers to see how divided conservatives are in this moment in time. Not very encouraging for most of us, but there it is.

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  4. Now I have to go dig out my sample ballot and decide whether to vote … Thought I’d never consider dropping out of that process (and I do plan to cast votes for at least some issues and candidates today), but sheesh. It’s all become so muddled and crazy. (And in California, there simply aren’t a lot of viable conservatives on any of the ballots anymore.)


  5. This is what obstruction and collusion looks like.


    “Ex-Democratic National Committee head Debbie Wasserman Schultz said she intervened in a Pakistani land deal involving her then–IT aide Imran Awan, according to two House employees. The dispute came after Awan’s father was charged with fraud in relation to the deal, and the mysterious exertion of political influence resulted in Pakistani authorities instead targeting the elderly alleged victims, according to a local report.

    And when a House Office of Inspector General cybersecurity investigation found that Awan made “unauthorized access” to House servers, including the House Democratic Caucus’ shortly before the election, Wasserman Schultz became “frantic, not normal,” “making the rounds” to House officials in an attempt to kill the investigation, one House employee told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

    Awan told people Wasserman Schultz chose the name for his daughter, Leza — a Jewish name — and that the Florida congresswoman’s daughter regularly rode a horse that Awan kept at a boarding facility, sources with knowledge of the relationship told TheDCNF.

    Wasserman Schultz cornered House Chief Administrative Officer Phil Kiko and called him a “@#$%$#@ Islamophobe,” saying “you will not so much as take away their parking spots,” the two House employees said Kiko told them.

    The congresswoman also told Kiko she had invited Awan’s whole family to her daughter’s bat mitzvah and said she had “helped him with a land deal,” the sources said. A spokesman for Kiko declined to comment on this story.”


  6. This reinforces the point I’ve been making. When prosecutors misbehave and break the rules criminals walk, even the guilty ones.

    Note: Dismissed with prejudice, so they can’t be refiled. Mueller is held to these standards as well. No hiding or misrepresenting evidence from/to defendants.


    “More Cases Dismissed by Prosecutors for Inauguration Day Riots”

    “Keith L. Alexander reports at the Washington Post:

    Prosecutors dismiss three additional cases in Inauguration Day riots

    Federal prosecutors announced late Friday they were dismissing three additional rioting cases against defendants in the 2017 Inauguration Day protests of President Trump.

    The dismissals came a day after D.C. Superior Court Judge Robert E. Morin ordered seven cases to be dismissed against defendants who were charged in the Jan. 20, 2017, riots after determining the lead prosecutor intentionally misrepresented information and withheld evidence from the defense.

    Late Friday, prosecutors said they planned to dismiss charges in the three remaining cases that were scheduled to go to trial this week.

    Prosecutors dismissed the charges of engaging in a riot and two counts of destruction of property for Phillip Glaser, Christian Valencia and Arturo Vasquez. Prosecutors also dismissed Glaser’s additional charges of resisting arrest and assault on a police officer. Morin had already dismissed the conspiracy to riot charge against the three on Thursday.

    All of the charges were dismissed with prejudice, which means they cannot be reinstated by prosecutors.”


  7. DJ, our provincial election is the day after tomorrow. None of the candidates is a good choice. The incumbent Liberal party premier is corrupt, plain and simple (I’m well aware that many a conservative voter would have worse to say of her, but that is the core problem with her government) and even staunch supporters of liberal government have had enough – she has already conceded defeat before any votes are cast. The Conservative candidate is equally shady – I wouldn’t trust him, to use an old expression, as far as I could throw him, which wouldn’t be far at all. I do not like the what the Conservative party has become – it is cynical and unashamed of its Machiavellian tactics. The New Democrat Party, or NDP as it is always called, is the third viable option, and I have voted for their candidate at least once before. The leader of the NDP, however, stonewalled the belated legislation to break the college strike last autumn, because the NDP is closely associated with labour and they stood with the union. As one who has suffered not only financially and academically, but even physically from the results of that strike (having to stay in the city during this warm weather in order to complete the missing clinical hours has not helped my asthma at all), the NDP’s inability to prioritize stopping the injustice done to the students before their own party associations did not impress me in their favour. None of the parties are for any kind of what is termed socially conservative values, and in any case, those kind of questions are much more in the jurisdiction of the federal government. I am considering simply not voting, which would be admittedly more convenient, since I am not in the riding that I am registered to vote for right now. I can, as a student, vote in the city riding, provided I sign a form and take an oath that I have not voted and will not vote anywhere else, but I do not really know much about the candidates, with the exception of the incumbent, who is very well known.


  8. Ricky, I understand when the pull of other obligations make posting less possible or desirable , at least for a time. But your point of view is valuable, and when we can all keep it civil, it can also be enlightening. Keeping civil is becoming a lost art, perhaps because of all the politically correct imposed ‘civility’ which is really not all that civil anyway. Good luck with the golf game, and let us know when Grandson arrives.

    And don’t stay gone too long; I will miss the aggravation of some of your comments :–)

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  9. Ricky, you and I have sparred on occasion in the past, but I will be sorry to see you go. We here on this blog take a personal interest in one another, as well as trading – and sometimes flinging at one another – opinions. The art of agreeing to disagree sometimes seems a dying art, but the secret to the art is to, at the very least, respect your opponent, or better still, genuinely like him or her.

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  10. Because of our new primary system — the top two vote-getters, regardless of party, face off in November — we typically are faced with a choice of voting for one liberal or another liberal. More and more I’ve had to leave spaces blank which just seems not right. Although our state is currently dominated by Democrats, it will never change under this formula (which is why the Democratic party pushed it so hard). It feels like a lot of us are simply being disenfranchised come November.

    So, while I don’t like doing this, I’m more and more voting in the primaries for the “most likely” Republican to make it into a runoff with the winning Democrat. At least it gives people a choice. Maybe not a great one, granted — not all Republicans are gems, to be sure — but there’s hopefully some difference in opinion and philosophy between the 2 candidates, something we’re simply not getting now.


  11. From World Magazine’s news “sift” today:



    House seats at stake as California holds primaries
    by Lynde Langdon

    If Democrats win 23 districts from Republicans, they win control of the House in midterm elections, and Tuesday’s California primary offers them some of the best opportunities to steal seats. In California’s jungle primary system, every candidate from both parties is on the ballot. Only the top two vote-getters advance to the November elections, so one party can shut out the other from the race. Republicans hold just 14 of the state’s 53 House districts, and seven of those districts voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. But some Democratic seats are also considered vulnerable, too, according to Kyle Kondik of the University of Virginia Center for Politics. …


  12. DJ, in my childhood and early adolescence, the Liberal kept getting voted into the federal government in our ‘first past the post’ system (the party with the most candidates elected to the legislature wins) because the riding votes for conservative candidates would be split between two different parties (in those days, there were 6 predominant federal political parties to choose from: the Liberals, the Progressive Conservatives, the Reformed, the NDP, and in Quebec, le Bloc Quebecois, a fiscally conservative separatist party). I remember conservatives whinging after every election about the split vote and how the system was broken, rigged, etc. etc. Well, finally, the Progressive Conservatives and the Reformed made a coalition that became the Conservative Party (there was an interval in which the coalition was called the Conservative Reformed Alliance Party, until their political opponents pounced gleefully on the acronym of the new name). After a faltering start, the Conservatives were brought to power, and kept getting reelected, while the liberal vote that kept getting split between the Liberals and the NDP. I began to hear liberals whinging after every election about the split vote and how the system was broken, rigged, etc. etc. I now believe that the system works, because it gives equal opportunity for all political sides, when defeated, to complain about the system.


  13. There is no “perfect” system, alas. But ours was recently changed and seems to favor the majority in our state (and especially in our area). If it remains, it could, indeed, force the more conservative candidates to consolidate so fewer candidates would be running.

    Ironically, the Democrats also have the same problem, for some of these seats there are half a dozen Dems on the primary ballot, splitting that vote as well.

    And an interesting dynamic in the U.S., I think, is what appears to be a growing number of non-partisan/independent voters being registered. I’ve changed into that category, for example, but it is even a more popular choice for younger voters.

    I think we see a season in U.S. politics that is deeply spintered, both between the 2 main parties but also within both parties themselves. We’ll see what evolves out of that perhaps by the time the 2020 presidential election comes around. Interesting times, but rather chaotic times as well, politically speaking for us.


  14. And I hope I wasn’t whining lol — but it really is a uniquely problematic system (more problematic than the old system) if you’re in the minority. If conservatives ruled and this was done, it would have the same problems for the (then) liberal minority.


  15. Democrats and some R incumbents won’t like this. It will cut into their time for their real job, campaigning for re-election.

    I say Golf Clap for Mitch. Now do something constructive.


    “Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) announced on Tuesday that he has canceled three weeks of the chamber’s month-long August recess due to “historic obstruction” by Democrats. He said senators will spend the time working to approve nominees and spending bills. Senators are still expected to have the first week of August off.”


  16. I’m shocked! 😲


    “If you feel like there is too much news and you can’t keep up, you are not alone. A sizable portion of Americans are feeling overwhelmed by the amount of news there is, though the sentiment is more common on the right side of the political spectrum, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted from Feb. 22 to March 4, 2018.

    Almost seven-in-ten Americans (68%) feel worn out by the amount of news there is these days, compared with only three-in-ten who say they like the amount of news they get. The portion expressing feelings of information overload is in line with how Americans felt during the 2016 presidential election, when a majority expressed feelings of exhaustion from election coverage.

    While majorities of both Republicans and Democrats express news fatigue, Republicans are feeling it more. Roughly three-quarters (77%) of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents feel worn out over how much news there is, compared with about six-in-ten Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents (61%). This elevated fatigue among Republicans tracks with them having less enthusiasm than Democrats for the 2018 elections. “


  17. DJ, to live in ‘interesting times’ is said to be a curse. I often think of the Proverb, “Meddle not with those who are given to change” (Proverbs 24:21) when people lobby for election reforms.

    Your system sounds different for sure, but it could be worse. In my Middle Eastern history class, the professor was attempting to explain how the Knesset was elected. Apparently, each party has a list of possible candidates, in other words, the candidates are not necessarily associated with a particular riding or electoral district. Parties are granted a certain percentage of seats in the legislature according to the percentage of votes they got in the election and then give those seats to the candidates that are highest in the list. So, a vote in Israel is never a vote for a candidate, always for the party, which would explain why there are so many political parties in Israel.

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  18. Donna,

    I have to say, the way your state does things is different, and maybe a little weird. 🙂


    “In Tuesday’s California congressional primaries, Democrats are energized, enthusiastic and eager to send Trump a message. That could work against them.

    That’s because of the unique rules governing primary elections in California, in which the top two vote-getters in the primary make it to the general election, even if those two top finishers come from the same party.

    And these rules were intended to increase participation and fairness. But these rules might result in no Democrats making it to the general election this fall.

    “Welcome to reform,” said Amy Walter, national editor of the Cook Political Report and host of WNYC’s “The Takeaway.” “There are your unintended consequences right there.”

    Walter spoke to Yahoo News’ podcast, “The Long Game,” about the impact of California’s primary rules, and about the forces that created the desire for such a system.”

    For some reason I doubt the ballot will be Republican heavy. I’m thinking the opposite is much more likely.

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  19. Well, went over to the 1st Pres church a couple blocks away and I voted. And I have a sticker to prove it.

    It’s been nice having the day free, I’ve done a lot of laundry, took care of the dishes, dropped a comforter off at the dry cleaners, and stopped in at the AT&T office and put in for a replacement for my phone’s glass screen cover (it has a lifetime guarantee but it cracked after I dropped it a few times while covering that trial a couple weeks ago). So it didn’t last a “lifetime” (it’s about 6 months old). But, as the clerk said, “It did its job.” The phone is fine.


  20. AJ it’s not prosecutor incompetence or a conspiracy to let leftist off. During and after riots, police and prosecutors throw charges on people and hope something sticks. And in most cases nothing sticks because in the heat of the moment mistakes are made, evidence lost, wrong persons arrested. The “resisting arrest” and “conspiracy” charges are a hope and a prayer charge that you throw out because its ambiguous.
    Almost any riot ends with arrests but no convictions.


  21. Most European countries have proportional representation with a party list. Unlike Israel most Europeans have a 5% min whereas in Israel you only need 1% to gain a seat hence all the parties.

    First past the post has the opposite problem….most FPTP countries have two or three parties. This minimizes the variety of views which can be represented.

    Australia has ranked ballots. This prevents someone from winning a seat with less than 50% of the vote. You rank your choice and when first place votes don’t produce a majority winner, the count goes to the second place votes.

    New Zealand has what I think Is the best system…..its mixed. You vote for a local district rep or mp but you slso vote for a party. The district winners obviously get a parliamentary seat but then they add more mps from a party list until it reflects the percentage of votes received. Thus you get a local rep but the results reflect the actual votes cast.


  22. Roscuro,

    I don’t understand the vitriol directed towards Wynne. Yes after 15 years of Liberal rule, the corruption has piled up but its no different than anyone in charge that long. And the party did screw up the energy file but the province is doing quite well. Some of the criticism I think comes from being a strong female leader (and gay) which men in the anonymity of the internet turn misogynistic.

    The conservative party couldn’t even wait to win to be corrupt. They can’t even run a nomination meeting without being investigated for fraud. And to call Ford shady is being extremely nice. He represents perfectly the wide latitude we give rich old white guys in politics. The best thing I can say about him was from a Toronto friend who reports that Ford sold the best hash and weed when he was in high school.

    I like the current NDP and it’s leader. By focusing on bread and butter issues, they are more old school labour than has been the case in the late 90s to the 2000s. I will vote NDP as I always do. I live in a city where all the NDP canidates receive about 60% of the votes and the Conservative candidate in my riding struggles to finish third ahead of the minor parties. The only conservative sign in my riding is in the window of a marijuana dispensary.

    About the only thing I disagree with the NDP is the back to work issue. I’ve been ordered back to work three times. Twice I was happy because it was over a month and I needed the money. The other time we were in a work to rule situation so we were already at work.

    I do think the other two parties are too quick to.pass back to work legislation but after about a month and no new talks, its time to go back to work and have mandatory arbitration.


  23. Ricky,

    We are in opposite camps but I have say you are consistent and principled. A little harsh with word choice at times but then again you live in Trump’s America and are perhaps following the role model he provides. You keep this place interesting and hopefully eill continue too


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