51 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 10-10-17

  1. Good Morning America just showed the utter devastation from those CA wildfires. Michelle has a whole bunch of people to comfort who she knows personally who have lost everything. I am so sad over all of this and need to check in with my good friend in Mt. View to see how things are there.

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  2. I did not realize the number of explosions the wildfires cause. I thought people could at least go back to their burned down homes and look in the vicinity of where they kept things in their home to find salvageable items. With explosions that would not be the case.

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  3. I told Art about my ring purchase when he got home from work, and he said it was pretty and seemed glad I got it. It feels so much like what my other rings felt like to wear that I hardly notice it since it is not strangling my finger.

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  4. Yesterday, my mother asked if I could find a recording of children’s songs that we loved when we were small. I found it, but on the way, I found a children’s song, originally an Appalachian folksong, that I hadn’t heard before and thought It was delightful:

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  5. I finally spotted the tiny lizard on the stem since I switched to my tablet.

    I remember that song but it’s been years and years since I have heard it. Maybe fifty years. Yikes! I am getting old.

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  6. Cheryl, et al., who replied to me yesterday, pray. We already have a case in the family, with my dear friend, where the child protection services were called in, and her concerns that her husband’s behaviour (from his sexual addiction) were endangering the wellbeing of the children were dismissed. In the case of dear friend, her in-laws blame her for not being good enough to make her husband interested in a healthy relationship, so if she left, they would try to get custody of the children and they have influence and wealth on their side. So she stays, trapped in a marriage that is threatening not only her children’s wellbeing, but also hers. Also, she has no resources to sustain herself – her health has been broken (everytime he admits to worse behaviour, her health gets worse), making it difficult for her to be able to work.

    In the case of Youngest In-law, he was made, after my father’s resignation, a deacon in that tiny church. I have expressed my concern over the unhealthy isolation breeding in that place. The head deacon only encourages In-law in his conspiracy theories, as he himself indulges in them too. The pastor who resigned suddenly (not Pastor A) was a similar enabler, and, indeed, I believe that some of what that former pastor said encouraged Youngest In-law to start down that path. I listened to In-law pray on Sunday – he said all the right things, and everyone said Amen, but it all rang hollow in my ears. Youngest Sibling will get no support from that congregation. My parents would try to help, but they have no influence. I think his parents would also help, since his mother was the most vocal in opposing his obsessing over food. But, Youngest Sibling, like my dear friend, has no resources of her own.

    We often wonder what is wrong with society, and wish to return to traditional values. Of the four young women closest to me, my three siblings and dear friend, only two of them have healthy marriages. Most of the conservative leaning young men I meet – most of whom are married to meek wives like my sibling – totally creep me out. One such couple has begun attending our church – the husband, who was an adult at the time, decided he was in love with his future wife when she was barely thirteen, and waited for and watched her until she turned eighteen and promptly married her (in a ceremony that was not performed by a licensed official – only later was it made legal). Amongst conservative Christians, marriage has been held up as the ideal, and yet so many of those young women I know have entered into a twisted nightmare, as they discover that their husband married for his own salvation (from sexual temptation) and that he takes that passage in Ephesians on marriage to mean that he stands in the place of Christ to his wife (Youngest In-law once told his mother that a wife should always obey her husband, even if he asks her to sin). If returning to traditional values means enabling abusive marriages, then we are better off in a secular society that will persecute the church and purify it.

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  7. We humans will always muck it up. 😦 I’ve heard about some of those marriages & a friend, some years ago, encountered a number of men with those tendencies on a Christian dating site she was using at the time. They seem to take the whole wifely submission thing and run with it. Scary.

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  8. All the horrible things that have been happening makes a person curious about how many look to God for answers. This evening in my community there will be a Board of Education meeting where there will be a push on the Transgender issue to open restrooms and locker rooms, etc. for guys claiming to think they are girls. And the march of those shaking their fists at God in defiance of His ways continue in this nation.

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  9. ” …. their husband married for his own salvation (from sexual temptation) …”

    I’ve always suspected that’s the root of some of the recent problems in the Roman Catholic Church’s priesthood and the scandals that have surfaced — some of these well-meaning young men enter into it as a way to avoid or suppress those kinds of temptations they find in themselves, including homosexual inclinations (only, of course, to find that celibacy isn’t the cure-all to those temptations; they still exist).

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  10. I still think they need to wait until authorities give the ‘all clear’ to return to their home (maybe they have, I don’t know — but it sounds like things remain somewhat unpredictable and certainly uncontrolled). But yes, thankful they *seem* to have been spared, though such devastation all around.

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  11. ‘they’ meaning michelle and family. 🙂

    If authorities say their particular area is “clear,” go home. If not yet, don’t go back yet. Fire runs fast.

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  12. Last night around 11 p.m. we had 96% humidity. It will be in the 80s this week but feel like the 90s due to the humidity. It is not like fall. I feel silly to complain.This morning we had fog, too. The air conditioning keeps us comfortable inside. But the air all around feels so heavy. Wish, wish, wish I could send it to CA.

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  13. Janice, Christ told his disciples that the people who died in disaster were not sinners above other humans, but rather such disaster should be taken as a reminder to repent, for all humans will die and face the judgement (Luke 13:1-5). Paul, in Romans 1, notes that chaotic sexual expression is in itself judgement by God on those who although they know God, do not glorify him as God (v. 18-25). In other words, the general so-called Christian influence that once existed in Western society, in which people attended church and said the ‘right’ words and did the ‘right’ things but did it only for their own gain – “all this and heaven too” – and not because they truly loved God, is the reason why God has turned the West over to work its own devices. I’ve said it before, the Church is the Jonah of the world, and when she disobeys and dishonours her Lord by allowing wolves to devour the sheep, all hell will break loose (Jude 4-19).

    As for the hurricanes, and wildfires, and all the other things going on, Christ said of those things occurring, “but the end is not yet.” (Mark 13:7-8). I’ve been meditating lately on the comfort Christ gave to his disciples after the Last Supper and before the Garden of Gethsemane. He let Judas go out to betray him to a terrible death, yet he turns to those who truly believed him and says, “Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world gives, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid” (John 14:27). Paul echoed those words when he said, “God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind” (II Timothy 1:7). That is part of the reason why I know conspiracy theories and worst case scenario spinning are not of God – they do not encourage trust in God, but rather panic and anger. Christians are to be realists – that is part of having a sound mind – but that realism does not lead to fear when our minds are under the control of the Holy Spirit.

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  14. Judgement by way of God letting people “go their own way” for a season can certainly be more destructive than any hurricane or earthquake. 😦

    But Christ’s church will prevail, despite its too-frequent unfaithfulness and thus its need for discipline.

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  15. There was a reason for feminism. The problem is that the pendulum went too far the other way. There is much we should reject in the past of our nation. All was not perfect and never will be. That does not mean we have to swing the pendulum too far the other way and reject those things that are good. Nor does it mean we need to embrace revisionist history or reject our own traditions. Humans always seem to go too far.

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  16. Roscuro: ” … the general so-called Christian influence that once existed in Western society, in which people attended church and said the ‘right’ words and did the ‘right’ things but did it only for their own gain – “all this and heaven too” – and not because they truly loved God, is the reason why God has turned the West over to work its own devices. I’ve said it before, the Church is the Jonah of the world, and when she disobeys and dishonours her Lord by allowing wolves to devour the sheep, all hell will break loose (Jude 4-19)….”

    Very plausible, but I still think we need to be careful in saying “this is ‘the reason'” for what God may or may not be doing. I’d also say there are always the wheat and the tares, that certainly not “all” have been guilty of disobedience and dishonoring God within the visible church.

    I think it was Sproul & many others who issued strong cautions about trying to proclaim why this or that tragedy has happened, what (exactly) God was doing. We know that God judges nations and we should always be examining ourselves in light of that. But we can’t ultimately say with certainty what God may or may not be doing and for what precise purpose, only that he is sovereign and we are always to be living penitently before him.

    That said, our pastor once made the point that it’s interesting how so many think of /God’s “judgement” only as coming in the form of major outward disasters from the outside — either from nature or other nations or people — that befall a nation or a people. In fact, he said, God allowing a people. to go their own way (abortion is probably one such example) turns right back on them and can be seen as the worst of judgements, and ones that are willingly embraced as “good.”

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  17. Kathaleena, so true. We swing wide. 🙂 Many aspects of feminism were needed and were good. Then things swung too far. Then things swung the other way too far. Oy.

    We try.

    God’s mercy always needed!

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  18. So true, Kathaleena. Only God can make a proper reconcilement.

    Roscuro, did my comment indicate I am fearful? I feel sorrow for those who suffer the whims of fashionable sexuality and the children who may exhibit sexual confusion and are immediately whisked into being the opposite sex, especially in the public school system. It seems there are sexual bullies who are enslaving children to adult ideas of sexuality. IMHO

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  19. DJ, Romans 1 is an explanation of a general pattern which would seem to indicate that when a nation (or civilization) begins displaying sexual chaos and the breaking of natural bonds, it is a sign of judgement for the idolatry of that nation or civilization. It isn’t hard to see where that idolatry began in the West, with those who had a form of Godliness, but denied the power thereof. The wickedest men I have ever met (wife beaters, adulterers, charlatans, etc.) were respectable men in the church. As Russell Moore pointed out in his book Onward, telling the story of an atheist he knew who wanted to join a church in order to run for office, Western society has long given preferential treatment to those in good standing with a church. Even now, being a ‘Christian’ is a wise political move – both our current Liberal Prime Minister and your current Republican President recognize the need to participate in ‘Christian’ events like prayer breakfasts. Within the church, it is possible to build oneself an almost impregnable position of prestige, as the repeated attempted comebacks of men such as Mark Driscoll, Tullian Tchidavijan, and C.J. Mahaney, whose actions have disqualified them from the ministry, demonstrate. I have read more than one person who deals with child abuse prevention who said that the child abuse scandals within the evangelical church could exceed those of the Catholic church. It is difficult not to conclude that the salt has lost its savour and is good for nothing but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men.

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  20. Kathleena @ 12:20.
    The problem is that the fight generates a group of people who make this their agenda.
    The battle is never won. The fight continues.
    It happens in every area of life.
    Women needed equality. There was a legitimate need. However, it has long passed. I once had a black female boss.
    There was a need for racial equality. It didn’t make sense that a black guy couldn’t go into Walgreens. That had to be fixed. It was.
    But the battle continues because there are people invested in the fight.
    It has to continue and there always has to be an issue.
    The same type of thing is happening now WET Trump and the swamp.’
    Republicans had more advantage fighting Obomacare than fixing it.
    Examples could make a book.

    e.g. Most murders are black men on black men.
    Why is that?
    Because the back boy wasn’t raised with a man in the house.
    Why is that?
    Because the government supports a single mother and it is financially advantageous for the father not to be around.
    Government almost never solves a problem.

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  21. Roscuro, I’ve told some or all of this story on here before, regarding abusers within the church. When I was a child and teenager, we church hopped a lot, never putting down roots anywhere. Two years was the most we went anywhere, I think. One particular church, letr’s call it Church A, we attended several times when we were between churches, a couple of services here and there. My mom told me years later that we probably would have joined except we kids didn’t like the church, so maybe they kept going back to try again, I don’t know. But they sang all their hymns just a little too fast, enough to make me feel tense and rushed, and I didn’t trust the pastor. He was a schmoozer, and when we visited he always mentioned our name from the pulpit . . . one time, notably, mentioning us three different times and pronouncing our last name three different ways.

    Meanwhile, when I was 12 and 13, we attended another church, Church B. About the time we were leaving the church, the church was voting on a new children’s pastor. At the time of the vote, they told us that he had told them he wouldn’t come if the vote wasn’t 100%. On the way home, my parents commented on how manipulative that was to tell the people that. A person might have voted against him, but felt like his own vote would keep the man away–you have to feel very strongly about your vote to make yours the deciding one! My parents didn’t vote, as I recall, feeling like they didn’t have enough to go on, and anyway I think they knew we were leaving. Perhaps, also, they didn’t want to vote yes and confirm the man, or vote no and be the ones choosing for him not to come.

    At any rate, we left the church, and a few months later I happened to be reading the newspaper (to which we did not usually subscribe, as I recall, but Dad would bring one home periodically). One of the news stories was about our old church, and so I read it. And it told about this new children’s pastor (who got his 100% vote), how it turned out he was taking young boys (I’m thinking preschoolers, but don’t remember for sure) home and photographing them naked. In retrospect, that makes sense of his wanting the church “full support.” Easier to have people hoodwinked, and on your side, if no one votes no.

    It wasn’t more than a year later, maybe two, but I was at most 15, when another story hit the paper. In this case, the senior pastor of Church A, it seems their church had started a private school and he was the principal, and two different girls had come to him to tell him of their stepfathers molesting him, and he had molested both. The girls were 12 or 13, which made me realize that my little sister and I had good instincts in not trusting the man–those girls were around our age, and that “pastor” was probably practically salivating each time he mentioned our last name from the pulpit and hoped that this time our family would stay.

    That pastor served several years. (I don’t know about the other one. I forgot his name decades ago.) The scariest thing to me, though, was what I found out recently when I googled his name: he had done the same thing at a church in New Mexico, and apparently the Arizona church wasn’t told. Maybe the evidence against him was too uncertain–it would seem he had not been arrested anyway–I don’t know. But two girls and a whole church would have been saved trauma if that church was more concerned about parishioners than about whatever kept them from reporting the truth.

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  22. Cheryl, I have heard variations on your stories over and over since childhood (my mother had many broken women come to her) and I have always moved in evangelical church circles. Many of the incidents happened to people who are now my mother’s age and a little younger.

    Christ will build his Church, but it is important to remember that He hates those who abuse the liberty of His Church for a cloak of evil. He will not spare those who said “Lord, Lord” but worked iniquity. Remembering His indignation for the weak and helpless should give His Church the courage to speak against the wolves among them. I say that as one who is uncertain what to do in my own family situation.

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  23. What?! You didn’t subscribe to the newspaper?

    Stab me in the heart!

    No lunch break at the beach, I’m stuck juggling 3 stories, one of which requires watching the l-o-n-g LA County Supes meeting …

    So once again, eating my salad + tuna at my desk …

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  24. Heading for the beach, she said. Those fires are so unpredictable and SO fast — they can change direction on a dime. I’ve known a couple photographers who learned that, very scary stuff

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  25. Thanks, Kizzie, DJ, Kim, others who are on Facebook and reporting here. I could email Michelle, but I don’t want her to have to report multiple places. It’s good to know they’re all together. Please let her know I’m praying.

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  26. The Real, how in the world did you see that tiny lizard? I once took a landscape picture of some badlands and was playing around with the camera and zoomed in on a particular area and there was a rat. Just sitting there. Weird. But rats are nasty and lizards are cute.

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