54 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 7-27-17

  1. I like to see turkeys run.
    They really look like they know where they’re going.
    Notice how intense they seem to be.
    Good morning Aj and everyone else.

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  2. Good morning. Turkeys run because they know Thanksgiving is a few months away. They are smarter than cows and chickens. Have you ever heard of a fast food business named for the turkey?

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  3. I am still waking up. I must make coffee now.

    We had room service last night. I had grilled chicken salad which had some bacon in it. My blood pressure took note of it.

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  4. I have to share this with you, not because I am so wonderful, but because stuff like this amazes me.
    As you know I have three friends that we keep a conversation going in FB Message. One is quite liberal, married to a Jewish man, and claims to be a Buddhist. She lives just outside of DC. She studies a lot, attends conferences, and all that other wealthy, entitled, stuff that liberals do. The other two are gay men.
    Last week she attended a conference on the Holocaust in DC, proudly had her picture taken with two Holocaust survivors. She posted this yesterday:
    I won’t bore you with all the details of the last few days but I will send you a pic of me with two survivors of the Holocaust that I met. However, I want to share this with you because it is so timely given the current attitude of many Americans towards refugees and the travel band. We discussed and reviewed the term “sliding scale of complicity”. This encompasses the idea that while some people were not out right collaborators to the Nazi regime everyone who did nothing to help the Jews are just as complicit in their murder. …… . They didn’t do more because they didn’t want to. So, that brings me to today. Why are people not doing more to help Syrians or Muslims or anyone else? It’s because they just don’t care. Period. How will history judge us??

    So I replied, thinking perhaps she was looking for some deep conversation:

    “There is too much in that statement to respond to this morning. I will say that some people I know have made it very clear they are willing to take a refuge family or two. So turn the statement around. How many are you (looking at myself in the mirror ) willing to take? How willing are you to upset your peaceful life? How much are you willing to donate? What are you willing to do? ”

    Crickets. Not one of them responded to my question. They went on to discuss how good she looked in the photo, something about “bigly”, and another taking his mother to the doctor.

    Now you must remember that as the lone Christian, conservative of the group I am not as enlightened as they are because I am still in the Deep South, blah, blah, blah. I find this attitude in most of the Far Left I know. “We need to let the refugees in, NOW. We all descended from immigrants!”. But when you ask them what they personally are willing to do, well that is a horse of different color.

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  5. All of my ancestors, likely yours too, came to America because they were getting away from something there. Things were rough for them here, but better than there.
    Black people, especially. There forbearers had it rough, indeed. but be glad you are not in Nigeria.
    ‘Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful”

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  6. Chas, many Africans destined for a life as slaves died in horrid condition on slave ships, and many slaves had their families divided and sold. Black people in America today have it better than black people in Nigeria today, but really I wouldn’t go there. And even today, many live in poverty, dysfunction, and a whole brew of ills they don’t know how to escape.

    Kim, where I would have been inclined to go with that today is that America’s “sliding scale of complicity” has to do with abortion. OR the fact that all of us have different “causes” and the person who is trying to work against sex trafficking cannot say “You’re doing nothing” to the family who is taking in foster children or the mother who is working to change the public perception (and the kill rate) of Down syndrome babies. Work with refugees if that is where your heart lies, but don’t think that the woman who is faithfully mothering her own children and also allowing the single neighbor’s latchkey six-year-old to hang out after school is doing “nothing.”

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  7. Look at those turkey trot! We had a few trot through our property and I captured video of them…there were about 20 or so of them. They were not afraid of me as I was about a foot away from them. They made a funny popping sound as the meandered around me.
    Kim your observation is sadly what is happening all around us….complaining with no involvement nor solutions for consideration.

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  8. Here is my next question because I am studying real estate this morning.
    Don’t you think it is predatory that a subprime mortgage usually has a pre-payment penalty?

    Here is someone who didn’t have the means or had bad credit, who gets their act together, improves their credit and refinances their home only to be charged a penalty for paying off a loan that already had a higher percentage rate attached to it.

    Sometimes I think banking is evil.

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  9. I could never figure that out Kim….why should some be penalized for getting out of debt? I suppose the lender calculates the loan on interest and if paid early they lose projected profit?

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  10. Nancy Jill, I’d be concerned about turkeys that aren’t afraid of you (unless you mean domestic ones). Turkeys can be dangerous. For instance, a 30-pound tom can decide you are a male and thus a threat (they say that their determination of which sex a person is can be false), and he can attack you–and 30 pounds of bird with spurs on its feet can do real damage. Or he can decide you are a female and try to court you, which is also dangerous.

    I heard about a situation, I think it was local but don’t remember for sure, where a mailman couldn’t deliver the mail to several neighboring houses because of a territorial turkey. They need to be afraid of us, at least a bit. It’s part of the reason I don’t try to go all the way up to a wild animal (except maybe a small bird like a chickadee) even if it seems totally fearless, because we both need that fear barrier. The only responsible thing to do if I get a yard away from a baby coon, say, would be to then do something to reinstill fear of man. And since I don’t want to do that, I try to stay away from the fear barrier unless I’m actually trying to chase it out of my yard. I’m more conscious of that with an animal that might be dangerous (such as a coon or a turkey) than with something mellow like a muskrat or a painted turtle. But even beavers can be extremely dangerous if they end up feeling threatened, so I’m conscious of it with all but the tiniest.

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  11. It is pretty cool to have a hen turkey and her poults, and an action shot. I haven’t been able to get good photos of young poults, because the few times I’ve seen them when they are less than half-grown, they are in a farm field and I can only see their head and neck above the beans or whatever the crop.

    This year I have yet to see poults at all, though I have seen hen turkeys several times. So I don’t know if our super wet spring made nesting tricky and coons and coyotes got what nests were laid, or what. But we’ve had too many of them in recent years, so it would be just as well if they had a season when they failed to breed.

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  12. Kim, a pre-payment penalty is pure evil. I’m glad my student loan, which I paid off in four years instead of the scheduled nine didn’t have such a penalty attached.

    Chas, just to add to what Cheryl said so thoughtfully, I’m descended from an immigrant family that came to the shores of Canada in the late 1750s. I can trace my ancestry back hundreds of years, and I know the names of my great-great-great (and so on) grandparents. The people who live in Nigeria have a similarly long oral history. Actually, The Gambia and surrounding Senegal were where much of the slave trade took place, and those who still live in those countries bear the proud surnames, some in the village where I was, of the prominent families of the first West African empire, the Ghana (c.600-1200). West Africans have a rich history and culture going back millennia. All that was stripped from those who were sold from those shores – names were lost, languages were lost, families were lost. They were rendered stateless and orphaned, the perpetual property of those who looked different from them. I know where I came from, what ethnic origin I am – a mix of English, Scottish, Irish, with a little Frisian and Acadian. The descendants of the slaves do not know if their ancestors were Fula, or Wolof, or Mandinka, or Serer, or one of the other tribes of West Africa. Many of them are of illegitimate descent, the result of rape, for a slave can never be said to be able to give free consent to the demands of a master. The descendants of the slaves in the Americas may have access to more money and material goods today than those who remained behind in Africa, but money and material goods are not everything there is to life. Other things, such as family and a sense of belonging, are far more important, and its loss leaves permanent scars. The Holocaust was mentioned at the beginning of this discussion. Part of the Nazis atrocities was not just killing people, but deliberately trying to wipe all traces of Jewish culture and heritage off the face of the earth, destroying records of ancestry and historical artifacts. That same crime happened to those who were stolen from the shores of West Africa and sold in the Americas.

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  13. I could have stayed in bed another couple hours this morning.

    There’s some real inter-personal testiness at work, I noticed this week. Snappiness. Mostly from the editor, but it flies back at him in a heartbeat from some others. “Who has a story??” “When is that story coming? Well I hope it will be ready to use this weekend.” “Someone else better have a story …” Snarl. There are so few of us left already and everyone feels they’re under so much pressure. The result is an overall environment that’s pretty stressful. Understandable, everyone’s on edge. One co-worker resorted to music on headphones to “escape” all the nastiness yesterday.

    Then the neighbor’s dog got out around 3 this morning and stood barking, barking, barking on the sidewalk or street in front of our houses. Seemed like it would never stop.

    On the plus side, the stress from the day fueled me on to get 2 more Salvation Army bags ready to go last night.

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  14. From the picture I thought we were to “talk turkey” this morning. But I see more serious conversation.

    I agree, that while the descendants of slavery are usually better off than those still in Africa, there are a lot of them who are not. Our system of Welfare encourages women to remain unmarried so they can get more benefits. That has caused a high number of children raised without two parents in the household. If LBJ and company had written the Welfare laws such that a woman would not get extra money for every child, then we would not have some of the problems we have today. Rather than just handing out money, the government should have started with encouraging impoverished parents to get job training, rather than waiting 30 years to do it.

    Are the laws of the 1990s still in effect? Do able-bodied Welfare recipients still have only two years before they need to have a job? Of course, this only caused the problem of needing day-care for working single parents. Which leads to other problems and the need for more benefits so the employed can afford day-care.

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  15. I don’t get pictures of the hens with their poults because they eat them almost as quickly as they hatch out. Dumb turkeys.

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  16. Peter, my mother received child support cheques for each child she had. They helped my parents pay the bills. My parents are still married, after over forty years. Two of my siblings now receive such cheques for their children. They are both in good, strong marriages. The economically conservative notion that child support payments alone serve to increase the birth of illegitimate children is nonsense. Most of the working class in Canada receives such support cheques and have done so for decades, and common-law relationships, not single mother families, are the statistic which is rising in Canada: http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/as-sa/98-312-x/98-312-x2011001-eng.cfm
    The pervasive problem of children without fathers and mothers without husbands has many more equally, if not more important, factors at play. How about the routine rape of slave women, and the brazen breakup and sale of married slave couples to begin with? The customs surrounding marriage in West Africa were lost, and marriage among the descendants of slaves became ill-defined. The portion of the population descended from Europeans kept their cultural marriage customs. If I have learned one thing as I’ve been researching for my assignments in Global Health, it is that the effects of historical deeds keep reverberating throughout the following centuries. The influence of the Greeks and Romans are still strongly felt. Why do we feel that the effects of more recent historical periods can be more easily expunged and discounted?

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  17. No. those are poults, we hatched out in incubators, far from their “mommies”. We tried letting the hens do the work and they had a large nest after we got as many as we wanted to hatch out. They had five or six hens piled on top of each other, trying to hatch them out. But they kill them as they hatch. One is still setting.

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  18. Oh Cheryl I did not realize turkeys were testy! There were toms. and hens in this group…maybe the hens were more appealing to the toms than I was 😀
    So in Canada families receive government checks for their children? I don’t understand that. I will say that back in the day unwed mothers here recieved checks for each child they birthed. I think the govt at some point limited it to two. My sister’s daughter who is 28 had two children with her boyfriend and recieved govt checks….she would not marry her boyfriend because her “benefits” would go away…oh, and the govt would not pay for her schooling if she married. She was living with boyfriend in a house he owned but was living off of taxpayers…..

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  19. I see you people were discussing jeans yesterday. As I’ve mentioned before, my adolescence in an ultra conservative homeschooling program accustomed me to wearing skirts. It took me years to realize that not only were skirts not always the most modest thing one could wear, but also to realize that dressing extraordinarily in contrast with one’s surrounding culture actually places barriers to being salt and light in that culture. Sure, much of what is popular to wear in today’s culture would be immodest in any culture, but the general elements of Western cultural clothing, i.e. jeans and some kind of shirt, are not in themselves immodest. A little bit of my favorite passage from the early church writing, a Letter to Diognetus, helped clarify my thinking about how to dress:

    “For the Christians are distinguished from other men neither by country, nor language, nor the customs which they observe. For they neither inhabit cities of their own, now employ a peculiar form of speech, nor lead a life which is marked out by any singularity… But, inhabiting Greek as well as barbarian cities, according as the lot of each of them has determined, and following the customs of the natives in respect to clothing, food, and the rest of their ordinary conduct.

    The unknown writer goes on to expound that it is the Christians’ obedience to Christ’s law of love, even in the midst of the hatred of the world, which really distinguishes them. I’ve thought about it a lot, realizing that description is backed by Paul’s words about being all things to all men, and, so, over the years, I’ve quietly dropped some of those things which I retained from being in ATI which were actually a hindrance to interacting with my fellow humans, among them only wearing skirts. I first just wore trousers as part of my scrubs uniforms, and spent my entire two years in college wearing skirts when I wasn’t in uniform. By the time I went to Mumsee’s, I had acquired my first pair of non-uniform trousers, which were specially lined to keep out the cold of a certain schoolroom 😉 However, I still wore skirts more than 50 percent of the time. While in West Africa, of course, I wore what was culturally appropriate there, which were ankle length skirts, though I have to say that in a high wind, wrap around skirts aren’t the most modest item, and trying to sit comfortably on the ground in them without crossing your legs in any way (they think to do so will bring a curse) or pointing the bottoms of your feet at your hosts (an insult) is an art form. Only this year have I started wearing trousers most of the time, and I bought my first pairs of jeans. I consulted a sibling with experience in buying them, so I got the correct fit for our build. I love them. I figure since most of the hijab-wearing girls I see are wearing jeans that they are completely unexceptionable among the variety of cultures to be met with in this place, though I would like to wear the pretty long shirts/tunics that I see those girls wearing, since I think that a long shirt over pants is actually quite an attractive way to dress. See also this clip of Bollywood dancers doing the tunic and blue jeans look to great effect (note that the tunic dress over pants is a very traditional Central Asian custom for both men and women):

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  20. Nancy Jill, my eldest sibling was born in the late 1970s, and the rest of us throughout the 1980s, so the child benefit cheque has been in place for a long time. The government just before the current one, was Conservative, and they actually made the child benefit cheques universal, not just for low income households. The now incumbent Liberal government actually campaigned against the universal cheques, saying that the rich did not need to be given money, and have since clawed back the cheques to the highest income bracket, while increasing the amount for the lower income bracket. One of my siblings-in-law has joked that he could stop working if they had a few more children (they want more children, but not for that reason), the payments are quite substantial. I was discussing with my mother last night Canada’s history how our beginnings as a mercantile colony with crown (first the crown of France and then of England) backing has made our economic and cultural operations. I know Republicans in the U.S. frequently hold Canada up as an example of socialism run wild, but the truth is, that socialism is a much more recent development than the crown policy of encouraging family growth and child bearing, which started with the King’s Daughters, marriageable young women that were sent from France to the colony of New France, to marry and beget children. I’ve mentioned before how sparsely we are populated, with more land than the U.S. and only 10 percent of population size of the U.S. It is within the country’s interest to encourage growth through both immigration and child bearing, and we are below replacement level for child bearing. Hence, both the Conservative and Liberal interest in child support payments.

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  21. Did you ever notice that when you’re waiting on a UPS truck, everything that goes by sounds like a UPS truck? 🙂

    I’m getting a present today from my wife. Tracking says it’s out for delivery via UPS. But they didn’t say when. 😦

    As you can probably tell, patience is something I struggle with. 🙂

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  22. The Real, I find that everything sounds like a bus when I’m waiting for the bus. There is a lot of summer activity and construction on campus, with a lot of delivery and dump trucks coming and going, but fewer buses running because there are fewer students. So I often look up, thinking the bus is coming only to see it is another delivery or dump truck.

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  23. Now I’m happy. 🙂

    The driver didn’t make it easy either. I live on a corner. First he came down my street and turned and went past the side of the house and on down the street. So I waited to see if he would loop back around, and he did. He didn’t even need to get out of the truck. 🙂

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  24. Cheryl – re: your question from last night – Neither Chickadee nor I drive, so it would be an imposition to someone or other. Next week, & the two weeks after, though, we will see plenty of each other, because she will be staying over a lot as we babysit several first shifts each week.

    Your comment today in response to the idea of “You’re doing nothing” echoes what I have often thought. There are so many “causes” to support, & good works to be done, that we cannot all be doing the same thing.

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  25. Kim – I thought your friendship with those friends was blown apart by the rancor over last year’s election. Were those different friends who dropped you or have you all made peace?

    On a friend’s Facebook post, one of her Christian friends was insisting that Christians should not have relationships with unbelievers. I was kind of distressed by that attitude.

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  26. Roscuro – I’ve found it interesting that in the few clips I’ve seen of Bollywood films the skin tone of many of the people is quite light.

    As for what you wrote about dressing similar to the culture in order to more easily be salt & light, I have often wondered about Mennonite Facebook friends (from the old WMB). The men dress “normally” enough, but the women wear very plain dresses, all very similar to each other & not “in style” at all, with apparently no jewelry. I kind of felt sorry for a couple brides I saw photos of, with their very plain wedding dresses. (Wondering if, in their hearts, they really wanted something more elegant – but then again, maybe they didn’t.) And they wear their hair up, with white caps.

    I asked one of those friends (a man who is obviously a devout believer & knowledgeable of God’s word) why the women “have to” dress that way. He was planning on writing an answer to that, but I think he forgot, & I didn’t want to bug him about it.

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  27. AJ you need a dog.

    Mine clearly distinguish UPS trucks as they hold the possibility that one one will be coming on to our porch. They do on high alert whenever they hear one even from way down the street and they readily recognize them if one goes by when we’re on a walk in the neighborhood

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  28. Hi everybody. Just popping in to ask if anyone would be willing to provide me with feedback about my piano website so far before I publish it. It looks like there is a way to send it via email, so if I can figure out how to do that, I could send it to whomever is interested in critiquing it.

    If you have my email address and wouldn’t mind helping me out with feedback on layout, color, etc., please email me to let me know. If you don’t have my email and want to help, mention it here and perhaps there will be someone who has both your email and mine. I give permission for those of you who have my email to pass it along privately to anyone we know from this blog.

    Thanks much!

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  29. Kizzie, re the skin tone of Bollywood actors, first, you have to remember that Bollywoods films are only one of several major regional cinema industries in India, that of the primarily Hindi-speaking north of India, and, as I’ve observed before Hindi and Urdu, the primary language of Pakistan, are very similar. So, many of the Hindi-speaking actors are from those regions of India and Pakistan, and even Afghanistan, as Hindustani was the trade language of the region when the British Raj existed. The actor in that clip I just shared is of Pashtun origin, a tribe in Pakistan and Afghanistan [The actress is from the Kapoor acting family, whose patriarch, Raj Kapoor, helped establish the Mumbai-based Bollywood industry in the late 1940s and 50s]. There was a famous National Geographic picture you may recall of a green-eyed Pashtun girl from Afghanistan, and Pashtuns can also have blue eyes, as this report of a viral social-media picture of a Pashtun tea stand attendant demonstrates (the report also demonstrates how fluid actors may be between the countries, despite the national animosity): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/19/blue-eyed-tea-seller-arshad-khan-becomes-social-media-sensation-in-india-and-pakistan. The other major film industries are the Tamil-speaking “Kollywood” film industry based in the south of India (the actors are typically darker skinned, but not always); the west Bengali-based ‘Tollywood’ and the east Teglugu film industry, also called, confusingly, ‘Tollywood’. Sometimes, if a film is very popular in one language, it will be remade into one or several of the other languages, while the back-up singers (not only do they unashamedly lip sync their film songs, to be a backup singer in the industry is as prestigious as being a film star) often record their songs in several different languages. We in the West have a very imperfect picture of the variation in appearance that takes place across Asia, and in Central Asia, all those types meet and form a wonderful and, it must be said, a very beautiful variety.

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  30. If it seems strange that India, a developing economy, could support that many film industries (there are a few more languages with large industries), whose combined revenue is the second highest after Hollywood, recall that the U.S. has less than a quarter of the population of India, and film watching is a universally popular pastime in India, and also Pakistan – I was introduced to Bollywood songs via a Pakistani immigrant to whom I was teaching violin.

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  31. The Indians I knew were pretty dark, & yes, they were from southern India.

    Years ago, when I started watching PBS dramas, I was surprised to hear the Indians & Pakistanis called “blacks”.

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  32. I do realize there is a difference in skin tones across India, but I didn’t realize that Bollywood used mostly northern-area actors & actresses.

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  33. Kizzie, yes, the Victorian and Edwardian British referred to the Indians as ‘blacks’ or even more offensive, ‘blackies’, while the nasty n word was applied to those of African tribal origin. Reading English literature from the height of the British Empire, such as John Buchan or Rudyard Kipling you come across the most offensive, because they are denigrating to people made in the image of God, racial terms used casually. In Africa, as in India, skin colour varies widely from north to south, and each shade is quite beautiful. In that tiny West African village, there were Berbers from Mauritania, who are hard to distinguish from somebody from Southern Spain, since the Berber Moors once held the area; there were Tuaregs, whose shade is somewhere between Berbers and Fula; there were Fula, who tend to be lighter skinned, more slenderly built, and have straighter hair than the Wolof; there were of course, the Wolof, beside whose natural strong build we appeared weak (and so they let us know); and the Serer, whom one of the Fula clinic employees would tease good naturedly about (his words) being short, dark, and ugly (calling someone ugly wasn’t necessarily an insult, as babies were called ugly to prevent the evil eye). The Serer weren’t ugly, by any means, but those whom I met were shorter than the Wolof and Fula, whom if they’d had enough nutrition in childhood, towered over me. The women of each tribe were generally beautiful, but tragically, they associated being light skinned with a sign of wealth, and the practice of bleaching, using dangerous corticosteriod creams or worse, actual bleach, created health problems. You see, the history of that area has long had the merchants coming from the north, both north Africa and Europe, so light skin and wealth association are deeply ingrained into the culture, which the condescending attitude of both the north Africans and the European colonists did not help.

    As for the choice of actors and actresses in Bollywood, I gather from some YouTube comments by Indian viewers that it is felt there is some racial bias and a perception that light skin is more attractive. However, that may well be faulty perception, because although the above actor, Salman Khan, is highly popular in the industry and the Kapoor sisters were very popular in the 90s and early 2000s, by far the most popular actor in Bollywood is Shahrukh Kahn, or ‘King Kahn’ as he is often called, and he is black haired, brown-eyed, and darker skinned; while his frequent co-star, Kajol, who is one of the most highly respected actresses in the industry, is also as dark. I did pick up from one of the films that I watched, in which a character was thought to be pf the highest caste, Brahmin, because of her light skin, that some of that bias may exist in Indian society because of the caste system, but Bollywood is often too liberal for the Hindu conservatives.

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  34. Amos lets me know anytime anyone comes down our street.
    Kizzie, yes those are the same friends. The guys didn’t desert me but the girl checked out until after the election. She has always been overly dramatic. eyeroll.

    I have spent the day with Florida Real Estate. I can not figure out how many cubic feet of cement you need for a driveway, but I CAN do the more important math–commissions, rate of return on investment, CAP rate, etc. The things that people who want to make money in real estate know, including the investors. I also don’t think I need to know how to appraise a home. I can give you a Comparative Market Analysis and a Broker Price Opinion, but if you need an appraisal, I am not a licensed appraiser and that will cost you about $500. I only charge $150 for a BPO BECAUSE I AM NOT AN APPRAISER.

    I also got locked out of my iTunes account today and cannot even try again for 8 hours. I don’t think the name of my first teacher and where I was New Years Eve 2001 have changed but apparently I didn’t give the correct answers. The guy from Apple was very helpful, and wanted me to verify the credit card they had on file. Well, that account has probably been closed. I tried to create another one with a separate email, but couldn’t for whatever stupid reason I couldn’t.

    6ARROWS if you send the link to your website I would love to look at it for you—an opinion I can give. It’s all mine. All this other stuff is well…..stuff

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  35. Interesting, posted by a former copy editor & American history buff on FB:

    General Washington’s GENERAL ORDERS ON PROFANITY
    August 3,1776
    …. The General is sorry to be informed that the foolish, and wicked practice, of profane cursing and swearing (a Vice heretofore little known in an American Army) is growing into fashion; he hopes the officers will, by example, as well as influence, endeavour to check it, and that both they, and the men will reflect, that we can have little hopes of the blessing of Heaven on our Arms, if we insult it by our impiety, and folly; added to this, it is a vice so mean and low, without any temptation, that every man of sense, and character, detests and despises it.

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  36. You all do know that turkeys will destroy landscaping, don’t you? If you don’t have a dog, they’ll fly the fence and scratch among your flowers.

    I’ve been busy trying to write several blog posts a day for the last three days. I’m tired of sitting at my computer–so I’m going to STAND downstairs and repair the website and watch a movie. It never seems to end . . .

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  37. Almost ready to hit the road. Map highlighted. Clothes set out so I know what needs washed. minivan ready. 36 hours of waiting.

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  38. My juvenile poults are doing a fine job in the rose garden. They have the grass neatly trimmed and are working on the bug population. They will be removed before they get too destructive and by then it will be time for the youngsters to step in. Yes, they are quite destructive. My large toms and hens do not have free range this year.

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