38 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 6-7-17

  1. Morning all. Nice to see Aj up and at em so early.
    Another good day in Kinder. Thanks for praying. Today I gave them a chunk of modeling clay to form into a boat and then to see if it would float. After that they could make what they liked with the clay. They were enthralled as they worked. A joyous time.

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  2. Good morning Aj.
    Good evening Jo.
    😦 I don’t know why I woke up with the tune of the Blue Skirt Waltz in m head.
    I wish it would go away.
    Maybe I need to listen to an Eddie Arnold CD.

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  3. Why do I have to wake up early even on a day when I could sleep in (just classes in the afternoon today)? I could use the extra sleep too. I was nearly falling asleep talking/studying with my mother last night.
    It is the second last week of languages classes, and I’ve had a huge amount of new material presented to me to learn. I have been introduced to the dreaded contract verb in Greek, an sly and shape shifting beast. The Latin remains fairly straightforward, but somewhat excessive in the number of different forms of pronouns, but, for that matter, Greek also seems to go overboard when it comes to pronouns. Neither language actually needs pronouns in the sentence, since verbs show person and number in their conjugation, but the pronouns are available when needed for emphasis.
    Some music to walk one up:

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  4. Family Ditties:
    Birdie, birdie in the sky
    Why did you do it in my eye
    You sure make me glad elephants don’t fly

    On the Birds and the Bees:
    Never walk under a bird
    Or sit on a bee

    BG got stuck in Miami last night. Flights were canceled due to weather. They got their tickets re-booked for today at 3 pm.

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  5. Interesting discussion on angels yesterday.

    One thought: Lucifer is an angel. Not all angels are in heaven. What are now demons are angels that fell with Lucifer. In these days, the Apostle Paul tells us that “Satan disguises himself as an angel of light” (2 Cor. 11:14 ESV). I believe all the misguided, “feel good” errors concerning angels come from this fact.

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  6. FYI: “Lucifer” in Isaiah 14, in the KJV is usually translated as “Day star, son of dawn” in modern versions.


  7. Peter, a good analogy of that is Mordor in “The Silmarillion”. Mordor was utterly evil. He was incapable of good. But he was good at deception. The things he might do looked good until too late.

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  8. It’s all June Gloom here, overcast/foggy skies, cool temperatures, even a spot of rain last night in some areas. I love our May Gray and June Gloom now, although in my younger days — when school was getting out and we were all so antsy to go live our days at the beach — it could be quite frustrating.

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  9. The word angel comes from the Greek αγγελος (an-gel-os), and it means messenger, of any kind, not necessarily supernatural. It is most often used in the New Testament to refer to a supernatural messenger, but not always – Luke 9:52 being an example. Greek has another word for the word spirits, δαιμων (dai-mon), from which of course, we get the word demon. The word in Greek doesn’t have the solely negative connotation its transliteration has in English, as the word for ‘happy’, ευδαιμων, is literally ‘good spirits’, and the word isn’t used at all in the New Testament, which uses πνευμα (pneuma) for the word ‘spirit’, whether good or bad – one of the differences in dialect between Attic and Koine. Angels, or spirits, are not ever the focus of Scripture. Paul in Colossians 2:18 warns against those who beguile people into idolizing angels, saying such a person “intrude into things he has not seen”, while the writer of Hebrews begins his letter by placing Christ in superiority over the angels, which was a corrective to a Jewish tendency to pay too much attention to spirits. That they exist, we know, but they do not run our lives, nor do they have any more influence than we allow them. Even Paul’s comment on Satan in II Corinthians 11:13-15 is merely to emphasize that false teachers will imitate Christianity, making them difficult to spot:

    For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

    Chas, I found the beginning of The Silmarillion too strange for my taste. It nearly spoiled my enjoyment of the tales of Middle Earth. I have recently been reading Irenaeus’ Against Heretics and his opening description of the beliefs of the Gnostics in their Aeons sounded weirdly familiar (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ante-Nicene_Fathers/Volume_I/IRENAEUS/Against_Heresies:_Book_I/Chapter_I.), and I realized that the opening story of The Silmarillion had similar characters. Now, I’m not trying to say Tolkien was Gnostic. I don’t think for a second he was, but he was a specialist in Germanic pagan tales, and after a while, one pagan pantheon begins to sound like all other pagan pantheons. Germania’s Thor resembles Rome’s Jupiter, who resembles Greece’s Zeus, and so on. The Gnostics were just incorporating their paganism with Christianity, as happens all the time, all over the world – only the Gnostics were trying to sound intellectually superior while doing it in order deceive people. So, while Tolkien wrote interesting fantasy, I don’t think his fancies are spiritually sound, nor, to his credit, did he ever intend them to be. Tolkien disliked allegories, and apparently didn’t care for Lewis’ Narnia.

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  10. Another day of weed eating, but husband is home! But he leaves again tomorrow as one of the growns is swearing into the Navy and wants him there for the signing in ceremony.

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  11. Roscuro, I can’t speak one way for another on whether Tolkien disliked allegories. I do know that he became more and more to the understanding that fairy tales are stories for adults more than for children, which is why the sequel to The Hobbit ended up being for adults and not children, and that he disliked Narnia because Lewis threw mythological beings from many sources into the pot (including Father Christmas, whom I agree with Tolkien in thinking he didn’t belong).

    Narnia, however, isn’t allegory. Lewis did write one allegory, The Pilgrim’s Regress, and later regretted that he had made it too remote for the average reader, and the rest of his fiction was more approachable. But allegory is usually hard to read, and Narnia is a different genre of fiction than allegory.


  12. Tolkien disliked allegory:

    I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author. [From the foreword to ‘The Lord of the Rings; Link:

    As for whether Lewis wrote allegory in Narnia or not, that really isn’t the point. The point was that Lewis intended with his fantasy to convey a specifically Christian message in a way Tolkien did not.


  13. Also, I’m not criticizing Lewis’ use of fantasy to convey Christian thought. Simply that if Tolkien had intended the same thing, his fantasy would have raised serious theological concerns. As it stands, they both were fine writers who could entertain well, though not perfectly. I’d like to wring Tolkien’s neck for ruining the end of his greatest work by dragging out the end to relate the close of his main character’s lives and generally being pessimistic in his other writings – he had imbibed far too much Beowulf and other Saxon/Germanic tales which relate not only the high points of their heroes lives but also their deaths. I enjoy Lewis’ Narnia, as well as his Christian spin on Science Fiction in the Space Trilogy, but he wasn’t a theologian and didn’t intend people to form their theology from his fiction. It was merely done to make them think; to spark their curiosity as it were, not to substitute for preaching and teaching from the Bible. Both authors, would, I think, be horrified at the number of books with titles such as ‘Finding God in the Lord of the Rings’ and would echo the sentences of Mark Twain in his opening statement to Huckleberry Finn:

    PERSONS attempting to find a motive in this narrative will be prosecuted; persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons attempting to find a plot in it will be shot.

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  14. 12:03. I’m surprised that Peter is surprised that I would use Tolkien for an illustration.
    I liked reading Tolkien and have read everything that I know he has written. Including the Silmarillon. Though it is a difficult read because he keeps changing the names of his people.
    And, as a cartographer, i am amazed at how bad his maps are. They are worse than useless because they give a false picture. It really isn’t a map.
    I read the Hobbit first. It is a silly little story about Bilbo Baggins. But the Lord of the Rings is interesting and useful. The Silmarillon establishes the universe. Buying into the universe is not necessary for understanding “The Lord of the Rings” series.

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  15. There is a very small subset of Americans that that are obsessed wit the Comey hearings.
    The only thing wrong with that is the assumption that anyone else cares.


  16. KimH

    I tire of all “News Channels.” At least Obama was breaking laws, unlike Trump who just pisses off everybody. Trump doesn’t seem to have broken any laws yet. I will pay attention when he does.

    CNN? They do wrong thinking,as my father used to say. Besides they are super liberal Democrats. They approve of socialism! (See Venezuela.) Stupid and evil.


  17. In my perfect world there would be no noise from the TV or Radio in my life. I had all of my friends trained to call me in case there was a disaster or news they felt I might be interested in.
    Now I have a husband who has a whole list of things he watches, CNN being one of them. He also watches
    Deadliest Catch, Alaska the Last Frontier, The Last Alaskans, Gold Rush, Alaskan Bush People, Naked and Afraid, Naked and Afraid XL, Better Call Saul, The Daily Show, The Late Show, The Late Late Show, Last Week Tonight,
    Then there are the ones he wants me to watch with him
    House of Cards, and the list goes on.
    I don’t have time in my day for all of this. I have to read a book at some point.

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  18. And, if I hear Wolf Blitzer ask one more time if this is impeachable I cannot be held accountable for my actions.
    I will say there was a FB meme today that said:
    I don’t like making plans for the day, because then the word “premeditated” gets thrown around in the courtroom””

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  19. Please pray for my attitude today. I know that this is the wrong thread, but… Working with this principal has been very difficult. She leaves in a few weeks. We had a short staff meeting yesterday and she gave us a piece of paper outlining new science curriculum. Because they moved grade 6, they want kinder to do what grade 1 is doing on a two year cycle. I mentioned that that would be difficult when kinder has a half day. She flippantly replied that they want kinder to go whole day, but don’t worry, they won’t ask me to teach that.
    Nothing has been discussed in any way, just dumped. At that meeting, only two of the teachers will be here next term. Who is going to make the changes???? Not me. Also makes it sound like they will get rid of me first.
    Trying to focus on finishing well and making it a good day for my students, but I am stewing.

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  20. Chas- I just think of millennials as the ones to reference Tolkien or Lewis.

    You’re correct about Tolkien’s changing names. I am struggling through the Lost Tales, which his son published after his death. Every chapter has lots of footnotes referring to the variations of place names and other changes made in the Silmarillion and other books.

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  21. I can’t seem to handle either Fox or CNN these days, so I’m still on my long break from both. CNN (from what I’ve heard) has tilted further left, which I was sorry to hear — I actually hoped they’d be able to scope out a solid middle ground and hold it. Fox is too predictable and Chas, not everyone likes the dolled-up dress codes they seem to impose on the women journalists there. It’s become cliche and almost a parody of itself, unfortunately. Interesting that they’ve had so many internal charges of harassment in the past couple years …


    Someone said CSPAN at least gives you the unfiltered stuff, but you have to sit through hours and hours of raw copy and most of us don’t have the time for that.

    I feel for you, Kim. I’d hate to be forced to hear it all.

    Meanwhile, some of the bars are keeping longer and earlier-than-usual hours here for people who want to go to drink while they watch the Comey hearings. I’m so out of it, I don’t even know when they are. Have they happened yet?


  22. Heard someone at a meeting I was covering today refer to the “aging millennials.” Happens to ’em all.

    The new generation is “Z”?

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  23. I read an interesting piece – perhaps it was even someone here who linked it – about how there are two distinct sub-generations within the category “Millennials”. Those born in the 80’s, now 30-35, didn’t grow up with the Internet and social media and pervasive cell phones as the younger ones did, now 20-25. The author, an older millennial, didn’t appreciate some of the popular characterizations people associate with that “generation”.


  24. Kevin – I do think that millennials have been given a bad rap. Most of those that I know, or know of, are working hard to make a life for themselves. Our economy has not been kind to them, so yes, many still live in their parents’ homes. But as long as they are contributing in some way, I don’t see that as necessarily a bad thing. (It all depends on the circumstances.)

    And let’s face it, we Baby Boomers were not considered so wonderful by our parents, & our parents’ generation when young was not considered so wonderful by their parents. And so on.

    Maybe each generation, as they grow older, forgets the mistakes they made as young people, forgets that they were once young & immature, too.

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  25. Peter, I’ve never thought of Tolkien and Lewis as the province of millennials. Lots of us boomers were reading that stuff back in college. I read all the Chronicles of Narnia my freshman year, thanks to a couple of friends who recommended them. Though I didn’t read Tolkien until years later, quite a few friends in college would make Tolkien references. Our InterVarsity group had a staff mentor in his 60s with bushy eyebrows. Some people likened him to Gandalf.

    The movies did give them broader exposure among millennials, though, that’s for sure.


  26. Kevin- That’s what I was referring to was the LOTR movies being popular among younger folks, and they are the ones I hear making references to all things Middle Earth.

    Of course, in the summer it’s all the references to Twain’s writings.


  27. Roscuro, FYI, I wasn’t doubting you that Tolkien disliked allegory–I simply didn’t remember one way or another and didn’t remember if I’d read anything he had to say about such. I do know that people regularly mistake the Narnia stories for allegory, and Lewis distinctly said they are not, and they aren’t.


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