47 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 1-17-17

  1. That is a humongous moon. But I can’t identify any of the craters.
    There is one on the Southside of the Moon named after one of our bloggers.
    Tychicus. They say it’s the only one that can be seen from Earth with the naked eye.
    I can’t see it, never could. But they (astronomers) say they can see it without glasses.

    I can see some craters, but the configuration is different. Likely that wasn’t taken from earth.

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  2. If Cheryl took the picture. I have to assume it was taken from earth.
    But it looks different from my pictures.

    Hi Cheyl, Hi Aj. Nine nite Jo.
    Good afternoon Tychicus.
    Everyone else, put your feet on the floor and roust out.
    It isn’t a holiday anymore.

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  3. In answer to yesterday’s question about the cat food, it’s AvoDerm Natural Entree (our guys prefer the Tuna and Crab in Gravy flavor). I order it from Amazon, $19.99 for 24 cans.

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  4. Also following up on yesterday, I think Kim nailed the proverbial nail on the head when she said, “Perhaps we have been too quick to throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to the customs of the pre-protestant church. They were around for at least a thousand years.”
    As our Pastor has taught us, Lutherans are not Protestants. Luther was not protesting against the Catholic Church, he was trying to reform her back to the pure church of the apostles and away from the heretical practices that had crept in. His intention for the 95 Theses was to foster discussion, not dissension. IOW, he was a reformer, not a protester. As Kim pointed out much of what existed in the Catholic Church had, indeed, continued from the early church and should not be discarded. (OTOH, others, like Calvin, were protesting against the Church and, therefore, as Kim said, threw the baby out with the bath water).

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  5. It has been 50 years since I studied this. But as I recall, it was a bunch of men who protested a church edict that caused the name “Protestant”.
    Linda is correct, The 95 thesis were items to debate. That’s the reason they were nailed to the chapel door. Nothing would have happened had not a bunch of students taken it and copied it.
    It wouldn’t have happened but for the printing press.

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  6. 😦 I can’t get my avatar back.
    😦 The only dictionary I have now is on my iPhone. When I look up a word, I have to read an advertisement, or trash it, as I always do. In any case, it’s a nuisance.
    I was looking up the word “albedo” to be sure I have it spelled right.

    The albedo of the moon is such that it reflects directly back to the source of light.
    In this case, the sun. That’s the reason a full moon is so bright. I mention that because I notice that it is difficult to see the craters in the picture.

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  7. Last night at Bible Study I asked my Anglican priest about incense and gave a short recap of our discussion yesterday. He told me that incense is in heaven and directed me to Revelation chapter 8. I went back to the King James version based on what Roscuro posted yesterday about the translation source.
    I have stated several times that this was based on church appealing to all 5 of our senses. I do not burn incense in my home. I do not care for the smell of it. When I have attended a church service where they have the censer I deal with it. I do not believe it is against Christianity or the Bible. Just because other religions use it doesn’t immediately make it un-Christian. Other religion pray too.

    Revelation 8King James Version (KJV)

    8 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

    2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

    3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

    4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel’s hand.

    5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

    6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

    7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

    8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

    9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

    10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

    11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

    12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

    13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

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  8. Debra- Often the moon is still out in the Western sky as the sun rises in the early morning light or in the East as the sun is setting on the West.. I think that is how she got it.

    Beautiful picture.

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  9. There must be bird somewhere in that photo … 🙂 ? Nice.

    I think I’ve turned the proverbial corner in my near-demise from the 2017 flu, I actually feel (in a limited way) peppy. In short spurts at least.

    Dry wall guy and real estate guy will be here between 8 and 8:15 a.m. when we’ll take a closer look at the medicine cabinet debacle. As Kim advised me, “let the men folk figure it out.”

    In short, we failed to account for the outer, wider trim piece on the medicine cabinet. The trim sits flush against the wall on the outside while the inner cabinet piece goes inside the wall. The tile on the one wall that was just completed, however, goes right up to the edge of the smaller, inset portion of the cabinet frame that’s already been cut out and framed into the wall. The outer frame trim, therefore, would overlap onto the tile. Oops.

    Hopefully they’ll figure out how to fix. I still think trimming the tile on that side makes the most (only?) sense, but real estate guy says that shouldn’t be done “for lots of reasons” which he didn’t enumerate. So we’ll see.

    Anyway, I presume work will continue (on that and/or painting and/or or something else they are doing) through today while I’m away working.

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  10. I tend to think that Cheryl was mistaken when she said that it had to be of a specific recipe. I think the reverse is the issue – that it was forbidden for the specific recipe given for the tabernacle to be used anywhere else.
    “And the LORD said unto Moses, Take unto yourself sweet spices, stacte, and onycha, and galbanum; these sweet spices with pure frankincense: of each shall there be a like weight: And you shall make it a perfume, a confection after the art of the apothecary, tempered together, pure and holy: And you shall beat some of it very small, and put of it before the testimony in the tabernacle of the congregation, where I will meet with you: it shall be unto you most holy. And as for the perfume which you shall make, you shall not make to yourselves according to the composition thereof: it shall be unto you holy for the LORD. Whosoever shall make like unto it, to enjoy the smell thereof, shall even be cut off from his people.” Exodus 30:34-38; 37:29


  11. Also, by the way, our Pastor said that there needs to be special HVAC considerations in a sanctuary where incense is used so that 1) it doesn’t overpower everyone and 2) it can be cleared out quickly if someone has an adverse reaction to it.

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  12. Beautiful moon photo.

    It’s another warm day in Atlanta. It is beautiful! Yesterday I went to the local community garden and took photos of winter plantings of vegetables. At first when I drove up to park I thought it all looked like a brown dead area. That was because much of the tall summer plants have browned and shriveled. The winter plantings are all much shorter. I even found some tiny flowers blooming. My kind of fun. Of course I was there by myself. Who else would go looking for life in a dead looking garden?

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  13. Some others did offer the incense and came to a very bad end. That is OT, however.

    We once spoke with one woman who told us that her daughter could not go see movies in a theater. Just smelling the popcorn gave her a terrible allergic reaction. I hope that doesn’t become common place. With so many places forbidding peanuts or peanut butter, you can imagine the same would happen to popcorn. Movies just would not be the same.

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  14. I’d cut the wood trim before I’d cut tile.

    Appropriate photo for today in that the last person to walk on the moon, Gene Cernan, died yesterday. We now live on a planet where no one has ever been anywhere but here.

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  15. I just got an insight into something I had never thought about in all these years.
    Paul, in defending himself before Agrippa, (Acts 26:14) tells that Jesus spoke to him. Jesus said, in his confrontation, “it is hard for you to kick against the pricks.” (NIV says “against the goads”). For all these years, I just passed that part of the accusation.
    A goad is a pointed stick that a driver uses to direct animals (cattle usually) that are pulling a cart. Sometimes the beast will resist. The driver presses harder.

    I gather from that part of the accusation that the Christians that Paul had been hauling in to prison had been witnessing to him. (Maybe Stephen) He knew from their testimonies what the gospel was about. That same Jesus they had been telling him about was now confronting him.
    ”Get with it Paul. Change sides.”.

    In the confrontation, Jesus said, “I am Jesus whom you’re persecuting”.
    Paul hadn’t touched him. Except Jesus said, (Matt. 25:40) “when you have done it to the least of these….you have done it to me”.

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  16. Linda said, “I tend to think that Cheryl was mistaken when she said that it had to be of a specific recipe. I think the reverse is the issue – that it was forbidden for the specific recipe given for the tabernacle to be used anywhere else.” Linda, I wasn’t meaning to say anything different than that–my point in speaking of the required recipe was that they didn’t just decide what to use on their own, and yet there are no similar instructions to us. Therefore, we are forbidden to use that one, but not given something to substitute–so how does anyone determine what to use, other than human reasoning (which isn’t how the church is supposed to decide things)? I’m not saying that to be snarky, but as a legitimate tricky point. If my church were to decide to add incense (it won’t, but for sake of argument), they wouldn’t just go get the recipe from the Orthodox or the Lutherans and assume them to have it right; they’d want to see in Scripture what they are to do.

    I don’t think the Reformed are technically considered Protestants, either, yet the three branches of the church are simplified as Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Protestant, and Lutherans and Reformed are in the “Protestant” one. For the Reformed (and most others on the Protestant side), it isn’t a matter of “continuing” what the church has always done but of “adding something else in.” Nothing in Scripture speaks of incense as being a required part of the church; nowhere that I know of is it even mentioned as being used in the church. Baptists and others wouldn’t add it because they’d see it as “too Catholic.” Most Reformed folks wouldn’t add it because of the regulative principle (which is one point at which Reformed differ from Lutherans).

    The regulative principle means we don’t engage in aspects of worship based on what is not actively forbidden, but in what is required. For instance, we wouldn’t say “Well, Scripture doesn’t say we can’t use puppet shows in the morning service to illustrate a point” but “nowhere in Scripture are we told to use puppet shows, and thus they are inappropriate as part of worship.” I definitely agree with the “no puppet shows” aspect. Where I personally don’t “like” the principle is simply that the NT doesn’t seem to tell us that much about what takes place in a worship service. When we read, for instance, of some having a word of prophecy, we would understand both that prophecy has now ceased and that anyway that wasn’t part of the Lord’s day worship service, but of a less formal gathering in someone’s home–and I don’t know where such a distinction is made as to whether something was or wasn’t in a weekly worship service. To me it would almost seem as though the worship in the Old Testament was very precisely regulated, but in the New it is left just a tad more flexible–not that you can add in puppet shows, but whether to use instruments and what types, whether or not people in the congregation are permitted to “give testimonies” at a given time in the service, and so forth seems to have some flexibility. But I admit I have not actively studied it, and I know that those who wrote the Westminster standards did study it. So I’m content that others are making the decisions for our church, not me. And I’m pleased that the elders are in agreement with some issues that seem to me to be important biblically, but rare in today’s church, like having children present in the service.

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  17. The moon picture: yes, that was a shot when the moon was still up during the day, and thus I got blue sky and not black behind it. Here it’s blown up just a tad beyond ideal resolution, but I wanted to zoom in close, so I turned the camera sideways to fill the frame.

    A photo of the moon was one thing that convinced me to buy this camera. I first saw it mentioned on the blog of a professional birder (the wife of the couple who puts together the Stokes bird guides). She said it isn’t the same as her top camera, but it is so much more portable and fills a nice niche. She then showed a photo that included a distant shore and asked “Can you see the specks on the shore?” (I couldn’t, but it was on a website and the resolution imperfect.) Then she zoomed in to show the specks were ducks, and then she zoomed in on an individual duck. And I thought whoa, my camera doesn’t do anything like that! So I googled the camera model and found someone else saying, “See this photo of the house across the street from me? Now, see the moon that was above the house?” I sent both links to my husband, trying to see if it was something we could put in the budget someday, and he ordered it for me. I’ve gotten several photos of the full moon and am amazed at the details I can see, but I like this one because the blue sky seems a little less gloomy.

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  18. OK, medicine cabinet problem is resolved — the one side can lay (just by a couple inches at the top) on top of the tile while the other side — to keep it straight — can be bolstered by some custom bead board panels behind it. Best we can do, it should look fine. Space is just so tight in there.

    And the beadboard may not fit behind the toilet, we realized today — it does add bulk to the wall.

    I left Oscar the dry wall guy at my house with his younger sister and helper to begin whatever it is they’re going to do today while I’m at work.

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  19. Good afternoon, or whatever time of day it is as you read this. Taking a little break — morning school is done; afternoon school is coming; evening school, well, sometime this evening. 🙂 Independent study interspersed with individual, teacher-led classes interspersed with group school interspersed with family chores interspersed with individual chores…and on we go throughout the day… Variety we do not lack. 🙂

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  20. Pretty picture of the moon, Cheryl.

    DJ, I’m so glad things are coming along with the bathroom renovations, and that you are feeling better.


  21. Chas, you are such an inspiration in how you share that you continue to learn things from the Bible. It is the living word that never stops instructing those with ears, eyes, and hearts open to Him. God bless you, Chas, for the many ways you bless others. What a great attitude you exhibit to bring glory to God!

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  22. 6 Arrows, do you have learning stations set up so your children can move around during the day as they do their subjects? Since we used textbooks and not much screen time for lessons, I had several places that son could migrate to so he did not feel stuck in one location. That may be more important for a boy.


  23. You will have well educated people by the time you are done. We only do about two to three hours of school in the morning. For the high school children, it was closer to three and a half. But I have a breather from high school for a while. I could not survive doing school that long.

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  24. I have been shopping online for office supplies today. We usually get everything from Office Depot for the tax season, but I am finding better buys by looking around.


  25. Chas, since it isn’t showing a picture at all for you, I don’t know if this will help. (As many times as I’ve changed mine, I always have to go looking for what to do!)

    Assuming your screen looks about the same as mine, there is a black bar on top of this page with two icons on the right, a bell and another one. Click on the picture (not the bell) and then choose “My profile.” If your gravatar or anything like it comes up, clock on the image, and then choose “upload new” or whatever you want to do. It has been so many years since I set up my account with gravatar that I wouldn’t be able to tell you how to go back that far.


  26. Janice, in a sense, we do have various work stations, though most of them are in our basement, in the area we call “the big room.” One table we have set up is the place 5th Arrow enjoys doing his vehicle dashboard drawings. We also have a big office desk where he or 6th Arrow will occasionally sit and do their independent schoolwork, like copy work. 4th Arrow does all her independent work at a desk/table in her bedroom. And the subjects I do with the children individually, I’ll often change up the area in which we work.

    Our family studies take place in a variety of settings, too — sometimes downstairs at the computer, for example, when reading an ebook or something in my Amazon Kindle Cloud Reader, or when listening to Handel’s Messiah on YouTube, which has become a December tradition for us now. Physical books we’ve either checked out of the library or purchased we often read aloud upstairs in our living room, or around the dining room table at mealtime. And of course there’s the piano, where our sight-singing and hymn-singing time happen, as does 6th Arrow’s piano practice time, which I consider part of her education.

    I’ve been reading a book called Deskbound: Standing Up to a Sitting World. It’s a hefty book, with lots of text and illustrations, and I am thinking that someday I would like to buy the book and use it as a health course (health is one of our state’s required subjects for homeschool), but will have to wait until we’ve replenished our education funds. Anyway, my own reading of it while I have the book checked out of the library has gotten me thinking how we can do less sitting during our educational time, and how to best balance our day between physical activity and cognitive pursuits. Amazing, the health consequences our society faces due to too much sitting, the author (Dr. Kelly Starrett, a physical therapist) reports, even among people who exercise regularly.

    So I am standing more now while I teach (both in homeschool and with piano lessons), and am trying to encourage the kids to be more mobile, too. I like that they enjoy reading, but a little bit of chores and outside time here and there throughout the day do not really amount to enough time off their tushies. 😉

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  27. Mumsee, my state requires 875 hours of school each year for homeschoolers. When we first started, I figured out 35 (weeks) times 25 (hours per week) = 875 hrs./yr. That was 5 hours a day Monday through Friday for about nine months.

    But we homeschool year-round now, so if we take off 2 weeks at Christmas, another just before Easter, and then Thanksgiving week, we can get in the required hours in about 3 3/4 hours per day. And not all of that is teacher-led; I’m a strong advocate of teaching children how to learn so they can grow to be independent self-learners, which is what we all (hopefully) are as adults. Of course some are not developmentally at a stage where they can do much on their own, and they need more guided instruction for more years than perhaps others of their siblings might require. I know you know what I mean.

    Your children are getting a good education in many ways, Mumsee, particularly in life skills, as I see it, which is very important learning that a lot of typically-schooled children are not receiving. You inspire me.

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  28. Eugene Cernan was the last one to walk on the moon, but not the last to die. Half the moon walkers are still living, ranging in age from 81 to 86.

    Apollo 11: Buzz Aldrin
    Apollo 12: Alan Bean
    Apollo 15: David Scott
    Apollo 16: John Young, Charles Duke
    Apollo 17: Harrison Schmitt

    The oldest moonwalker was Alan Shepard, 47 at the time. He would be 93 today if he were still alive.

    Cernan followed Schmitt back into the LM for the last time, so he was the last to have feet on the moon.

    There are also ten astronauts still living who have been to the moon without landing, either on a rehearsal flight (Apollo 8 and 10), on Apollo 13 which did swing around the moon after the disaster, or as one of the men who remained above in the command module while the other two landed.

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  29. Janice: I had several places that son could migrate to so he did not feel stuck in one location. That may be more important for a boy.

    I agree, and that’s great you did that for your son. My younger boy needs a lot of space to roam. He’s a pacer and a wanderer. 😉 It seems he absorbs things better, too, when he can move around some.

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  30. I was corrected earlier on FB concerning the astronauts–I read the article wrong myself! So, I stand corrected and am trying not to be too embarassed.

    Here’s another attempt at technology following Rickey’s example from Twitter:

    Behind the scenes faith-affirming stories of what happened to me while writing a biography of Mrs. Oswald Chambers. pic.twitter.com/iwpEmCxMlg— Michelle Ule (@Michelleule) January 17, 2017



  31. Didn’t work. Oh, well, it’s about signing up for my newsletter, if you haven’t, if you want to receive monthly stories of behind the scenes of writing Poppy and Mrs. Oswald Chambers. I dare say most of you read these stories here while they happened! LOL The sign up list is here: http://eepurl.com/2l7F9

    Newsletter goes out the end of the week. FYI


  32. Six, I know the silliness that some of the states put on people. Fortunately for us, we live in a state with no restrictions. It frees us up to focus on the children’s education. But you have a similar education to us. Some of the things taught in public school were examples for us. Cooking, cleaning, carpentry, mechanics, yard work, music lessons, dance lessons, karate, swim team, animal husbandry, etc were all incorporated into our academic year. Which makes it year round and far exceeds any state’s hours requirements.

    But the actual academics were done in the morning so we had time to pursue the other.


  33. Mumsee, I agree, a year-round education in real life certainly far exceeds any state’s hour requirements.

    As far as my state goes, it is restrictive in some ways, and pretty hands-off in other ways. Restrictive in that, for one thing, parents with foster children are not allowed to homeschool them. I find that sad. Those children could be spending much more time in a stable environment, getting acclimated sooner to family life, but they are required to be sent away to institutional schooling. Fine, if that is what the foster parents deem the most appropriate/safest environment for them and the family, but when they’re required by law to be sent away from the home for school hours, well, that does not take into consideration individual situations.

    I am glad that our state doesn’t require testing for homeschoolers, though. It sounds like a lot of them do, and tests are often so poor at determining what a child really knows. We also don’t have to submit any lesson plans, student assignments, etc. to the state, and are free to use any curriculum we want, adding anything we deem necessary to our children’s education, or rejecting anything that violates our beliefs.

    So part of our 875 hours can and does go beyond the six state-required subjects — in our family’s case, we count life skills, music, art and Bible toward our hours, too, and, like you, far exceed the minimum yearly state requirement.

    I am glad that we have the freedom to personalize each of our children’s educations according to their weaknesses, strengths and bents, and choose for ourselves how and to what extent we ourselves assess their challenges/giftings. At least two states that neighbor mine have far fewer homeschool freedoms than the ones we enjoy in our state of residence.

    Thankful for relatively little government interference in this area. And so is my husband. He said one time that if we ever named our homeschool, it would be called Leave Me Alone U. 😀


  34. Ah, I see NCIS tonight is featuring crazy right-wing, government-hating bad guys (I say this after only watching 10 minutes of the middle of the show, so I may be misreading it — but I don’t think so).

    The paint went on in the bathroom today. Next is figuring out bead board (I still need to get to Home Depot to buy the kind of 1″ cap-ledge top piece that I want on it) and we need to figure out who’s going to install it.

    Then I guess it’s down to getting the plumbing hooked up to the sink & toilet, the light fixtures installed, and then … I should be good to go. But it may not be done by the weekend.

    Maybe by the end of the weekend, though? We’ll see. I’ve waited this long, I can wait a while longer.

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  35. Well, last week in my financial peace class we established that I am a nerd and proud of it. What wonderful new idea will we explore this week.
    Though I do tend to enjoy being a free spirit, especially when shopping in Australia.

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