The problem is that no bright young conservative should be asked to run as Trump’s running mate. That would be like bringing an innocent young girl into a house of prostitution.
That’s a stretch Ricky. I see no scenario where a vote for Clinton is acceptable, or better for anyone, let alone conservatives. At least with Trump there’s a slim chance he can be domesticated and would do the right thing. There’s zero chance of that with Clinton. Zero, zip, nada….
So embrace the suck, and vote Trump 2016!
Or not. Totally not if he picks Kasich the Dem in Rep clothing as his running mate. Then I’m voting for Nader. 🙂
Voting for Trump is the stretch. If you take the R and D labels off, Trump is clearly the worse candidate. Trump is the most loathsome person ever to be nominated by a major party.
In the end it is not going to matter. The primaries showed that about 70% voted for Trump or a democrat. Those voters either have a world view completely opposed to ours or they are mentally deficient or both. In the future they will vote for a Kardashian or Miley Cyrus or another worthy successor to Trump.
Hillary ain’t good for nobody but Hillary and her kin.
She is careless with out money.
She is careless with security.’
She has no conservative conviction at allj.
She will sell the entire country for personal benefit.
America is for sale
Just remember that.
Hillary’s (predictable) Supreme Court appointments are still what keeps me up at night, knowing that a far-left court could radically change things for more than a generation. If it weren’t for that, maybe 4 years of her would be enough to “cure” the country of its love affair with all things liberal. Or maybe not.
It will be interesting to watch what happens with Trump and the conservatives in the coming weeks. Will there be any kind of coming to terms between the two?
Who will be the vp pick? (Who would even agree to run with him?) What can he do to build bridges that can connect him in a meaningful way to the stunned, hapless party that he’s managed to take over? Is he even willing to make the effort?
I’m not sure there’s a “conservative revolution” on the horizon, frankly. I know that’s what we all keep saying, but perhaps it just ain’t happening any time soon. If Hillary fails, people could just turn further left and go for a younger version of Bernie Sanders next time.
And the electoral college, which I’ve long supported, is pretty much stacked against a national Republican win. Republicans remain a minority party. Democrats are losing numbers, too, but the general psyche of the electorate appears to have shifted significantly to the left in the past 1-2 decades (thanks to what’s been the rather sly, largely unnoticed but complete liberal takeover of entertainment media, corporate America and academia). The messages going out from it seems like everywhere now are all liberal. Very liberal.
I’m already feeling myself reacting defensively to the piling on of liberals with the Trump-as-Hitler memes. It’s going to be a brutal few months, and all very emotional and passionate.
So yeah, maybe we can endure Hillary and wait and hope against hope for the golden age of conservatism to dawn.
But I have a suspicion it could be a long wait — and that so much damage will have been done in the meantime, it’ll be too little, too late.
I have been wondering what Carson was up to but Newsmax had an interesting article mentioning him:
Carson and Trump have become “like brothers” since the former presidential candidate endorsed Trump, the source said. The pair are constantly on the phone, and the low-key Carson has been a calming influence on Trump, whose temper can be, at times, mercurial.
I’m voting for Carson in our June 7 primary, apparently he never requested his name be taken off the ballot after he dropped out of the race (Rubio et al no longer appear). Not that our primary will make a difference anymore — Although there could be a competitive battle growing between Clinton & Sanders.
I’ve been watching a discussion thread on one of our local pages on FB that has been eye-opening in some ways. The issue revolves around the homeless but also a calvary chapel church that has leased space in the area. And wow, it’s interesting to see the anti-Christian sentiments coming out, including folks going back to find statements about gay marriage posted by the pastor in the past (nothing incendiary, he simply states he believes it was a wrong court decision and asks for prayer for the nation — but he’s now a homophobe who spreads “hate speech,” of course). 😦 😦 Yikes. All pretty ugly.
On the plus side, Trump is going to be forced to try to become a “team player” for the first time in the weeks leading up to the convention. He needs Republicans a lot more than Republicans (truly) need him right now.
As for the larger issue of what happens to the party or the conservative movement in the future, that’s going to have to be rebuilt at some point after all of this. Hard to say what it will look like in the end, but I suspect that some of the standby ‘social conservative’ issues, for a while, might be eclipsed in favor of stressing more pragmatic fiscally conservative party platform themes.
Gay marriage and other liberal ideas now prevail & have, for now, won the day in our culture.
Libertarianism might be more of an influence. In some ways that’s good (more emphasis on the virtue of smaller government, more flexibility for states); in other ways (Drugs? Gay marriage? Well OK, then), it’s perhaps simply the “best” we can hope for in this climate considering the state of the fallen culture. 😦 Better than the liberal boot of government force, but surely not as reflective of the virtue and ensuring the common good of man so that he will flourish that the founders envisioned.
Building any kind of viable 3rd party will take years, even decades. I think it’s more likely workable to reform and rebuild the existing party — and since it has to be done anyway after Trump, why not put the energy into that?
We’ve been a 2-party system since the beginning and the danger of launching a 3rd party (which has been done countless times to little avail) is that it simply creates more factions, peeling off more conservatives from a broader coalition that at least would have a fighting chance of winning elections here and there.
But they peel off because they can no longer support Republicans that approve of abortion, same sex marriage, govt intervention in all aspects of life, etc. As long as the party is going to elect people with those “standards” they are going to lose people but gain less liberal Democrats.
There has been a void when it comes to conservative leaders who have any kind of sweeping appeal, unfortunately. It will take a few of those to inspire and bring people along.
Right now, I think we all feel pretty hopeless (not in the large sense as we know God is sovereign over all of this, but in an immediate political sense, feeling like we’re suddenly part of a “lost cause” in the country right now).
That’s fine for the Constitution Party. The Green Party and others probably have a lot more than that. Third parties abound, but to little real effect when it comes to having a chance to actually govern. We have 12 Libertarians running for president on our June 7 ballot. 🙂
Parties are coalitions — and have to be at least broad enough in their appeal to win elections. Niche parties have always existed, and they may even multiply more now, but I think it makes more sense to incorporate those ideas into one of the two major parties.
… Conservatives love to throw conservatives out of conservatism; it’s like an ancestral tic. But great political movements should not be run like private clubs. And have the anathemitizers noticed they aren’t in charge anymore? That in the great antiestablishment disruption of 2016 they have been upended, too?
We don’t know what’s coming in 2016, or what happens to the GOP if Mr. Trump wins or loses. If there is a rebuilding of the party, as opposed to an ongoing reinvention, we don’t know when that will commence. If it is a rebuilding, on what grounds do the NeverTrump forces think it will be rebuilt? As a neoconservative, functionally open-borders, slash-the-entitlements party?
I am not sure, whatever happens in 2016, that there will ever again be a market for that product. All this cycle I’ve been thinking of what Lee Atwater said when he wanted to communicate to a politician that a policy was not popular: “The dawgs don’t like the dawg food.”
Centers of gravity are shifting. The new Republican Party will not be rebuilt and re-formed in McLean, it will be rebuilt or re-formed in Massapequa.
Finally, can Mr. Trump win? Of course. Uphill but possible. If this year has taught us anything it is what Harrison Salisbury said he’d learned from a lifetime in journalism: “Expect the unexpected.”
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It makes me think of all the negative publicity Trump receives from the media. As others have said, “all publicity is good publicity” in part because it keeps the name out there. The liberal media has underestimated the “people” before and may very well do so here.
Yes, our “educated” group here can see through the king’s apparel, but many cannot and as the fuel is tossed on the fire, they may very well think they agree with the man. Who knows?
A lot can happen between now and November, especially with aging candidates. I’m just going to pray, wait and see.
I also think a lot of demoralized kids from the Sanders run are not going to vote for Secretary Clinton–they’re angry, too, in part for the same reasons as those voting for Trump.
Example of that FB comment thread I’d mentioned about people piling on a pastor & church members about their stated views on gay marriage:
” … it was his ugly filth about homosexuals, you have to defend him, you’re a sheep I get it but when you start spouting homophobic nonsense, yeah people are going to say something… you, (names), are hate filled people, its disgusting…”
Donald Trump and his allies are lashing out at House Speaker Paul Ryan for his refusal to back — for now — the presumptive Republican nominee, with Trump’s spokeswoman even declaring Ryan unfit for his job.
During a phone interview with Fox News on Friday morning, Trump said he was “very, very surprised” at Ryan’s comments.
“It’s hard to believe,” he said, adding, “It doesn’t bother me at all.”
His tweets, however, suggest otherwise.
“So many great endorsements yesterday, except for Paul Ryan!” Trump tweeted. “We must put America first and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”
Roughly 90 minutes later, Trump came back with a sharp critique of another comment Ryan made Thursday.
“Paul Ryan said that I inherited something very special, the Republican Party. Wrong, I didn’t inherit it, I won it with millions of voters!” Trump wrote on Twitter. …
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I’ve posted my belief that Christians should vote only for godly candidates, and abstain if there aren’t any, trusting God for the results, but since that’s a strangely reviled and unheard of notion here, I’ll mention why I think supporting a despicable man like Trump is a bad idea, *pragmatically.* If we, as conservatives, just go ahead and throw in with a liberal like Trump because he has that ‘R’ and he’s not Hillary and we don’t really have viable alternatives, what does that tell potential candidates about conservative voters? It tells them they (those conservatives) can be counted on *NO MATTER WHAT.* What candidate campaigns to win voters who will vote for him NO MATTER WHAT? What candidate, if and when elected, governs all that worried about an electorate that will give him their votes NO MATTER WHAT? Republicans do offer resistance to Dems and Obama at various points, but even when they’ve had numbers in their favor in Congress, they don’t do near *enough.* Instead, we continue to move left. Time to stop adding to that impetus, no?
(Indiana) marks the most radical transformation of the political philosophy of a major political party in our lifetime. The Democrats continue their trajectory of ever-expansive liberalism from the New Deal through the Great Society through Obama and Clinton today. While the GOP, the nation’s conservative party, its ideology refined and crystallized by Ronald Reagan, has just gone populist. It’s an ideological earthquake. How radical a reorientation? …
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It might be good if everyone could just be quiet (including on Twitter) and let things settle for a week or so. But looks like it’s too late for that …
Donald Trump on Tuesday night assumed the mantle of presumptive nominee and declared, “We want to bring unity to the Republican Party. We have to bring unity.”
Three days later, the GOP is tearing itself apart.
Friday brought another day of incredible division and revolt, with Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham falling in line not behind Trump, but behind House Speaker Paul Ryan, who said a day earlier that he cannot yet support the brash real estate mogul as his party’s standard bearer.
Trump, instead of trying to make peace, lashed out. …
Now that Trump’s the presumptive nominee, a full-bore GOP civil war has broken out, dividing the party into factions that are providing fresh headaches for Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus.
Priebus on Friday tried to encourage his fellow Republicans to put down their arms. Sitting down for an hour-long conversation with POLITICO’s Mike Allen, the beleaguered party leader repeatedly stated that it’s just been three days since Trump became the presumptive nominee, and that it’s going to take time for Republicans to absorb their new reality.
… In the meantime, there’s at least one Washington figure reveling in the GOP’s identity crisis — President Barack Obama.
He came out at the top of the daily press briefing to talk about the latest jobs numbers, but was clearly ready to talk Trump. When asked about Ryan’s stunning announcement from the day before, Obama told reporters — with a smirk — that he couldn’t begin to guess what will come of the civil war.
“I think you have to ask Speaker Ryan what the implications of his comments are,” Obama said.
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Wandering Views 
This is a great article on why Clinton might be better for conservatives and what Trump might do to win their votes.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/05/conditions_for_supporting_trump.html
The problem is that no bright young conservative should be asked to run as Trump’s running mate. That would be like bringing an innocent young girl into a house of prostitution.
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That’s a stretch Ricky. I see no scenario where a vote for Clinton is acceptable, or better for anyone, let alone conservatives. At least with Trump there’s a slim chance he can be domesticated and would do the right thing. There’s zero chance of that with Clinton. Zero, zip, nada….
So embrace the suck, and vote Trump 2016!
Or not. Totally not if he picks Kasich the Dem in Rep clothing as his running mate. Then I’m voting for Nader. 🙂
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And some may be OK with the “vote Hillary and she’ll be so bad we’re sure to win next time” reasoning. But that’s a pipe dream, at best.
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Voting for Trump is the stretch. If you take the R and D labels off, Trump is clearly the worse candidate. Trump is the most loathsome person ever to be nominated by a major party.
In the end it is not going to matter. The primaries showed that about 70% voted for Trump or a democrat. Those voters either have a world view completely opposed to ours or they are mentally deficient or both. In the future they will vote for a Kardashian or Miley Cyrus or another worthy successor to Trump.
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Is Ralph Nader still alive?
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Hillary ain’t good for nobody but Hillary and her kin.
She is careless with out money.
She is careless with security.’
She has no conservative conviction at allj.
She will sell the entire country for personal benefit.
America is for sale
Just remember that.
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It’s a mess.
Hillary’s (predictable) Supreme Court appointments are still what keeps me up at night, knowing that a far-left court could radically change things for more than a generation. If it weren’t for that, maybe 4 years of her would be enough to “cure” the country of its love affair with all things liberal. Or maybe not.
It will be interesting to watch what happens with Trump and the conservatives in the coming weeks. Will there be any kind of coming to terms between the two?
Who will be the vp pick? (Who would even agree to run with him?) What can he do to build bridges that can connect him in a meaningful way to the stunned, hapless party that he’s managed to take over? Is he even willing to make the effort?
As I said.
It’s a mess.
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I’m not sure there’s a “conservative revolution” on the horizon, frankly. I know that’s what we all keep saying, but perhaps it just ain’t happening any time soon. If Hillary fails, people could just turn further left and go for a younger version of Bernie Sanders next time.
And the electoral college, which I’ve long supported, is pretty much stacked against a national Republican win. Republicans remain a minority party. Democrats are losing numbers, too, but the general psyche of the electorate appears to have shifted significantly to the left in the past 1-2 decades (thanks to what’s been the rather sly, largely unnoticed but complete liberal takeover of entertainment media, corporate America and academia). The messages going out from it seems like everywhere now are all liberal. Very liberal.
I’m already feeling myself reacting defensively to the piling on of liberals with the Trump-as-Hitler memes. It’s going to be a brutal few months, and all very emotional and passionate.
So yeah, maybe we can endure Hillary and wait and hope against hope for the golden age of conservatism to dawn.
But I have a suspicion it could be a long wait — and that so much damage will have been done in the meantime, it’ll be too little, too late.
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I have been wondering what Carson was up to but Newsmax had an interesting article mentioning him:
Carson and Trump have become “like brothers” since the former presidential candidate endorsed Trump, the source said. The pair are constantly on the phone, and the low-key Carson has been a calming influence on Trump, whose temper can be, at times, mercurial.
Breaking News at Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ben-carson
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I’m voting for Carson in our June 7 primary, apparently he never requested his name be taken off the ballot after he dropped out of the race (Rubio et al no longer appear). Not that our primary will make a difference anymore — Although there could be a competitive battle growing between Clinton & Sanders.
I’ve been watching a discussion thread on one of our local pages on FB that has been eye-opening in some ways. The issue revolves around the homeless but also a calvary chapel church that has leased space in the area. And wow, it’s interesting to see the anti-Christian sentiments coming out, including folks going back to find statements about gay marriage posted by the pastor in the past (nothing incendiary, he simply states he believes it was a wrong court decision and asks for prayer for the nation — but he’s now a homophobe who spreads “hate speech,” of course). 😦 😦 Yikes. All pretty ugly.
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Torches and pitchforks, I think our culture is losing it. 😦
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Lost it. But then, some pretty great men in the past commented that it would come to this. Something about:
Our government will only work for a religious people.
Once people realize they can vote money for themselves, we are finished.
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On the plus side, Trump is going to be forced to try to become a “team player” for the first time in the weeks leading up to the convention. He needs Republicans a lot more than Republicans (truly) need him right now.
As for the larger issue of what happens to the party or the conservative movement in the future, that’s going to have to be rebuilt at some point after all of this. Hard to say what it will look like in the end, but I suspect that some of the standby ‘social conservative’ issues, for a while, might be eclipsed in favor of stressing more pragmatic fiscally conservative party platform themes.
Gay marriage and other liberal ideas now prevail & have, for now, won the day in our culture.
Libertarianism might be more of an influence. In some ways that’s good (more emphasis on the virtue of smaller government, more flexibility for states); in other ways (Drugs? Gay marriage? Well OK, then), it’s perhaps simply the “best” we can hope for in this climate considering the state of the fallen culture. 😦 Better than the liberal boot of government force, but surely not as reflective of the virtue and ensuring the common good of man so that he will flourish that the founders envisioned.
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Constitution Party?
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Building any kind of viable 3rd party will take years, even decades. I think it’s more likely workable to reform and rebuild the existing party — and since it has to be done anyway after Trump, why not put the energy into that?
We’ve been a 2-party system since the beginning and the danger of launching a 3rd party (which has been done countless times to little avail) is that it simply creates more factions, peeling off more conservatives from a broader coalition that at least would have a fighting chance of winning elections here and there.
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But they peel off because they can no longer support Republicans that approve of abortion, same sex marriage, govt intervention in all aspects of life, etc. As long as the party is going to elect people with those “standards” they are going to lose people but gain less liberal Democrats.
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Constitution Party only has about seventy six thousand people.
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There has been a void when it comes to conservative leaders who have any kind of sweeping appeal, unfortunately. It will take a few of those to inspire and bring people along.
Right now, I think we all feel pretty hopeless (not in the large sense as we know God is sovereign over all of this, but in an immediate political sense, feeling like we’re suddenly part of a “lost cause” in the country right now).
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That’s fine for the Constitution Party. The Green Party and others probably have a lot more than that. Third parties abound, but to little real effect when it comes to having a chance to actually govern. We have 12 Libertarians running for president on our June 7 ballot. 🙂
12!!
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Parties are coalitions — and have to be at least broad enough in their appeal to win elections. Niche parties have always existed, and they may even multiply more now, but I think it makes more sense to incorporate those ideas into one of the two major parties.
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Peggy Noonan sometimes just makes you laugh out loud. About the 2016 campaign as it stands now:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-was-a-spark-not-the-fire-1462488099
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A decent interval should be set aside for sheer astonishment.
We face six months of what will be a historically hellacious campaign. Yes, we picked the wrong time to stop taking opioids.
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More from noonan (link above):
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… Conservatives love to throw conservatives out of conservatism; it’s like an ancestral tic. But great political movements should not be run like private clubs. And have the anathemitizers noticed they aren’t in charge anymore? That in the great antiestablishment disruption of 2016 they have been upended, too?
We don’t know what’s coming in 2016, or what happens to the GOP if Mr. Trump wins or loses. If there is a rebuilding of the party, as opposed to an ongoing reinvention, we don’t know when that will commence. If it is a rebuilding, on what grounds do the NeverTrump forces think it will be rebuilt? As a neoconservative, functionally open-borders, slash-the-entitlements party?
I am not sure, whatever happens in 2016, that there will ever again be a market for that product. All this cycle I’ve been thinking of what Lee Atwater said when he wanted to communicate to a politician that a policy was not popular: “The dawgs don’t like the dawg food.”
Centers of gravity are shifting. The new Republican Party will not be rebuilt and re-formed in McLean, it will be rebuilt or re-formed in Massapequa.
Finally, can Mr. Trump win? Of course. Uphill but possible. If this year has taught us anything it is what Harrison Salisbury said he’d learned from a lifetime in journalism: “Expect the unexpected.”
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It makes me think of all the negative publicity Trump receives from the media. As others have said, “all publicity is good publicity” in part because it keeps the name out there. The liberal media has underestimated the “people” before and may very well do so here.
Yes, our “educated” group here can see through the king’s apparel, but many cannot and as the fuel is tossed on the fire, they may very well think they agree with the man. Who knows?
A lot can happen between now and November, especially with aging candidates. I’m just going to pray, wait and see.
I can’t do anything else, anyway. 🙂
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I also think a lot of demoralized kids from the Sanders run are not going to vote for Secretary Clinton–they’re angry, too, in part for the same reasons as those voting for Trump.
Living in interesting times. . . .
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Example of that FB comment thread I’d mentioned about people piling on a pastor & church members about their stated views on gay marriage:
” … it was his ugly filth about homosexuals, you have to defend him, you’re a sheep I get it but when you start spouting homophobic nonsense, yeah people are going to say something… you, (names), are hate filled people, its disgusting…”
Sheesh.
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It’s an intense spiritual battle going on.
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Oy.
Here we go.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/trump-paul-ryan-speaker-222890
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Donald Trump and his allies are lashing out at House Speaker Paul Ryan for his refusal to back — for now — the presumptive Republican nominee, with Trump’s spokeswoman even declaring Ryan unfit for his job.
During a phone interview with Fox News on Friday morning, Trump said he was “very, very surprised” at Ryan’s comments.
“It’s hard to believe,” he said, adding, “It doesn’t bother me at all.”
His tweets, however, suggest otherwise.
“So many great endorsements yesterday, except for Paul Ryan!” Trump tweeted. “We must put America first and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”
Roughly 90 minutes later, Trump came back with a sharp critique of another comment Ryan made Thursday.
“Paul Ryan said that I inherited something very special, the Republican Party. Wrong, I didn’t inherit it, I won it with millions of voters!” Trump wrote on Twitter. …
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I’ve posted my belief that Christians should vote only for godly candidates, and abstain if there aren’t any, trusting God for the results, but since that’s a strangely reviled and unheard of notion here, I’ll mention why I think supporting a despicable man like Trump is a bad idea, *pragmatically.* If we, as conservatives, just go ahead and throw in with a liberal like Trump because he has that ‘R’ and he’s not Hillary and we don’t really have viable alternatives, what does that tell potential candidates about conservative voters? It tells them they (those conservatives) can be counted on *NO MATTER WHAT.* What candidate campaigns to win voters who will vote for him NO MATTER WHAT? What candidate, if and when elected, governs all that worried about an electorate that will give him their votes NO MATTER WHAT? Republicans do offer resistance to Dems and Obama at various points, but even when they’ve had numbers in their favor in Congress, they don’t do near *enough.* Instead, we continue to move left. Time to stop adding to that impetus, no?
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I don’t consider it reviled or unheard of.
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Krauthhammer asks some good questions
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435045/donald-trump-not-conservative-gop-doesnt-care
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(Indiana) marks the most radical transformation of the political philosophy of a major political party in our lifetime. The Democrats continue their trajectory of ever-expansive liberalism from the New Deal through the Great Society through Obama and Clinton today. While the GOP, the nation’s conservative party, its ideology refined and crystallized by Ronald Reagan, has just gone populist. It’s an ideological earthquake. How radical a reorientation? …
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It might be good if everyone could just be quiet (including on Twitter) and let things settle for a week or so. But looks like it’s too late for that …
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/the-gops-24-hour-meltdown-222921
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Donald Trump on Tuesday night assumed the mantle of presumptive nominee and declared, “We want to bring unity to the Republican Party. We have to bring unity.”
Three days later, the GOP is tearing itself apart.
Friday brought another day of incredible division and revolt, with Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham falling in line not behind Trump, but behind House Speaker Paul Ryan, who said a day earlier that he cannot yet support the brash real estate mogul as his party’s standard bearer.
Trump, instead of trying to make peace, lashed out. …
Now that Trump’s the presumptive nominee, a full-bore GOP civil war has broken out, dividing the party into factions that are providing fresh headaches for Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus.
Priebus on Friday tried to encourage his fellow Republicans to put down their arms. Sitting down for an hour-long conversation with POLITICO’s Mike Allen, the beleaguered party leader repeatedly stated that it’s just been three days since Trump became the presumptive nominee, and that it’s going to take time for Republicans to absorb their new reality.
… In the meantime, there’s at least one Washington figure reveling in the GOP’s identity crisis — President Barack Obama.
He came out at the top of the daily press briefing to talk about the latest jobs numbers, but was clearly ready to talk Trump. When asked about Ryan’s stunning announcement from the day before, Obama told reporters — with a smirk — that he couldn’t begin to guess what will come of the civil war.
“I think you have to ask Speaker Ryan what the implications of his comments are,” Obama said.
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Isn’t this where the party chairman should resign? Crisis in leadership, for sure.
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