Husband and I are really torn on this whole thing. Just as we would love to help all of the children in need of a good home, we can’t. We do what we can and maybe could do more. We don’t like to see the suffering of the refugees but see no way to actually help them.
We know something of what Islam is looking for: complete world rule by a descendant of Mohammed- a caliphate. That is understandable. Christians would like Christianity to be the norm. But we know that not all will be Christians and you can’t force people to be Christian. In Greece, we were quietly amused that everybody born in Greece is Greek Orthodox, says so on their birth certificate. But that does not make them a Christian. And we cannot force people to become Christians, that was dealt with when it rose its ugly head years ago. Do we open up our country, not to the millions of South Americans who want to come in to work, or to the hundreds of thousands or millions of Africans who are desperately fleeing the sword and famine, but to hundreds of thousands to millions of people with a religion that wants us to become theirs, through word or force? Through belief or tax?
Ben Carson had a brilliant idea. Ask them what they want. He said most want to stay as close to home as possible in hops of going back. We should send charities like the Red Cross,, Samaritans Purse and the Salvation Army over there to help them where they are. It’s not Brain Surgery. .
“Investigators think that as the San Bernardino, California, attack was happening, female shooter Tashfeen Malik posted a pledge of allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on Facebook, three U.S. officials familiar with the investigation told CNN.”
“On December 3, The Washington Post reported that gun crime has been on the decline for about 20 years, except for high-profile shootings in gun-free zones; WaPo claims those shootings are on the increase.
According to WaPo, “In 1993, there were seven homicides by firearm for every 100,000 Americans. … By 2013, that figure had fallen by nearly half, to 3.6 [per 100,000].”
Breitbart News previously pointed to this decline and explained it correlated with a massive increase in privately owned firearms over the same period of time. For example, Congressional Research Service showed that the number of privately owned firearms increased from 192 million in 1994 to 310 million in 2009. And record background checks under Obama make it easy to see how tens of millions more privately owned guns have found their way into Americans’ hands since 2009.
So gun ownership increased for 20 years, but “gun homicides” decreased–except in gun free zones.”
“On Tuesday, President Obama stunned Americans and French alike with his false claims about gun violence in America. “I say this every time we’ve got one of these mass shootings. This just doesn’t happen in other countries,” claimed Obama. It is a claim that he has continually repeated over the years.
Talk about being self-absorbed.
The French have witnessed three mass public shootings this year. January saw two attacks, one on the Charlie Hebdo magazine and another on a Paris supermarket.
In the November attacks, 129 people were killed and 352 were injured. In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the U.S. has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.”
“Obama also overlooks Norway, where Anders Behring Breivik used a gun to kill 67 people and wound 110 others. Still others were killed by bombs that Breivik detonated. Of the four worst K-12 school shootings, three have occurred in Europe. Germany had two of these — one in 2002 at Erfut and another in 2009 at Winnenden, with a total death toll of 34.
Obama isn’t correct even if he meant the frequency of fatalities or attacks. Many European countries actually have higher rates of death from public shootings that resulted in four or more murders. It’s simply a matter of adjusting for America’s much larger population.”
I haven’t caught up on the news, short of time this morning, but it sounds like the wife was the alpha in this duo. Still so hard to fathom doing anything like that with a new baby. 😦
It will be interesting to see where the evidence now leads in terms of their possible international contacts — and a potential secondary (main) target that was planned. Scary.
Sounds also like there were plenty of others locally in on it, based on neighbors’ reports of many people coming and going through the night in the garage. Authorities will be pursuing those leads as well. We know only a little bit of what they already do.
Husband wanted to not surprise the elders of the church with his letters. So he stopped by one guy’s office and talked to him. The guy had no idea about Islam. Nothing about the goals, nothing about the beliefs, nothing about the beginnings. This is what he is finding all over the place. People want us to welcome the refugees…well, maybe not in my backyard, but certainly into the States. Because they feel sorry for them. And we should. And like KBells said is a no brainer, send them aid and workers. But then the help does not seem to get to the people who need it. Salvation Army and Samaritan’s Purse seem to get things moving well. and some others.
Roscuro, I appreciate your analysis of The Searchers on yesterday’s thread. Christianity in that movie was represented by Ward Bond as Captain/Reverend Clayton who checked the worst elements of John Wayne’s character. The post I reprinted above was written from a psychological, not a Christian perspective. It is interesting to consider how both Christianity and Islam affect the natural tendencies of the Alpha male.
Ricky, Thanks, I hoped you would understand what I was saying.
I didn’t know what a K-1 visa was, so I looked it up. From the description of the process, it seems less rigorous than the refugee screening process. I wonder if that is because K-1s are only granted to fiancées of American citizens.
It is no surprise that a woman could be the instigator. There are Jezebels as well as Abigails amongst all women. However, the Daily Mail does jump the gun in its reporting – like their claim that some of the Parisian attackers were Syrian refugees. More information will no doubt be forthcoming from steadier sources.
Linda, may I point out that we need to be careful to not visit the sins of the father upon the heads of the children (Ezekiel 18) in all of this.
A friend of mine spent 8 years working on the fiancee and then spouse visa, and it was touch and go all the way up to the week before they celebrated their first wedding anniversary in Ireland in November.
So, how do you get one of these fast fiancee visas?
There seems to be a lot of concern about Islamophobia. So far there has been a little vandalism and one guy was shot at. However no one seemed concerned about anti-Christian violence after the PP shooting despite the a recent shooting in Oregon where Christians were targeted.
Roscuro, from your perspective, having spent time in a Muslim culture, regarding the peaceful Muslims, are they not reading the Koran, or don’t understand that it teaches the infidels are to be killed? If they do know that, though, what do they say about it? Do they have any guilt about not being obedient to that teaching, if they know about it?
I want to understand more about who the peaceful Muslims are, and what their beliefs are.
A connected point, it seems to me, is that Americans are growing weary of being told what they can and cannot publicly say, proclaim and think. We all know what’s going on at the colleges, with the mad little Marats and Robespierres who are telling students and administrators what they are and are not allowed to say or do. This is not just kids acting up at this point, it’s a real censorship movement backed by an ideology that is hostile to the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. It is led by students who, though they managed to get into the greatest universities in the country, seem never to have been taught to love the little amendment that guarantees free speech and free religious observance, the two pillars without which America collapses. And too bad, because when you don’t love something you lose it.
It is my impression that what is happening on the campuses is starting to break through as a real threat to what used to be called normal Americans. …
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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/12/the_alpha_male_at_bay.html
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Good stuff from Russell Moore here – listen all the way for it may not be what you expect: http://www.npr.org/2015/12/04/458427054/we-must-differentiate-between-violent-and-non-violent-muslims-christian-leader-s
I always appreciate World’s caution in reporting: http://www.worldmag.com/2015/12/california_shooters_had_pipe_bombs_thousands_of_bullets
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Husband and I are really torn on this whole thing. Just as we would love to help all of the children in need of a good home, we can’t. We do what we can and maybe could do more. We don’t like to see the suffering of the refugees but see no way to actually help them.
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We know something of what Islam is looking for: complete world rule by a descendant of Mohammed- a caliphate. That is understandable. Christians would like Christianity to be the norm. But we know that not all will be Christians and you can’t force people to be Christian. In Greece, we were quietly amused that everybody born in Greece is Greek Orthodox, says so on their birth certificate. But that does not make them a Christian. And we cannot force people to become Christians, that was dealt with when it rose its ugly head years ago. Do we open up our country, not to the millions of South Americans who want to come in to work, or to the hundreds of thousands or millions of Africans who are desperately fleeing the sword and famine, but to hundreds of thousands to millions of people with a religion that wants us to become theirs, through word or force? Through belief or tax?
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Ben Carson had a brilliant idea. Ask them what they want. He said most want to stay as close to home as possible in hops of going back. We should send charities like the Red Cross,, Samaritans Purse and the Salvation Army over there to help them where they are. It’s not Brain Surgery. .
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Well this should remove any doubt, and dash the hopes of the press and WH that this might be workplace violence.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html
“Investigators think that as the San Bernardino, California, attack was happening, female shooter Tashfeen Malik posted a pledge of allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on Facebook, three U.S. officials familiar with the investigation told CNN.”
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Despite Obama and Dems assertions that gun violence is at historic highs, reality shows gun violence is declining everywhere…..
Except in gun-free zones……..
Who would’ve guessed….. 🙄
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/04/washington-post-gun-violence-declining-except-gun-free-zones/
“On December 3, The Washington Post reported that gun crime has been on the decline for about 20 years, except for high-profile shootings in gun-free zones; WaPo claims those shootings are on the increase.
According to WaPo, “In 1993, there were seven homicides by firearm for every 100,000 Americans. … By 2013, that figure had fallen by nearly half, to 3.6 [per 100,000].”
Breitbart News previously pointed to this decline and explained it correlated with a massive increase in privately owned firearms over the same period of time. For example, Congressional Research Service showed that the number of privately owned firearms increased from 192 million in 1994 to 310 million in 2009. And record background checks under Obama make it easy to see how tens of millions more privately owned guns have found their way into Americans’ hands since 2009.
So gun ownership increased for 20 years, but “gun homicides” decreased–except in gun free zones.”
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And Obama’s claims that the US is the only place mass killings are happening is also easily proven false.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/12/03/facts-shoot-holes-in-obamas-claim-that-us-is-only-host-to-mass-killings.html
“On Tuesday, President Obama stunned Americans and French alike with his false claims about gun violence in America. “I say this every time we’ve got one of these mass shootings. This just doesn’t happen in other countries,” claimed Obama. It is a claim that he has continually repeated over the years.
Talk about being self-absorbed.
The French have witnessed three mass public shootings this year. January saw two attacks, one on the Charlie Hebdo magazine and another on a Paris supermarket.
In the November attacks, 129 people were killed and 352 were injured. In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the U.S. has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.”
“Obama also overlooks Norway, where Anders Behring Breivik used a gun to kill 67 people and wound 110 others. Still others were killed by bombs that Breivik detonated. Of the four worst K-12 school shootings, three have occurred in Europe. Germany had two of these — one in 2002 at Erfut and another in 2009 at Winnenden, with a total death toll of 34.
Obama isn’t correct even if he meant the frequency of fatalities or attacks. Many European countries actually have higher rates of death from public shootings that resulted in four or more murders. It’s simply a matter of adjusting for America’s much larger population.”
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I haven’t caught up on the news, short of time this morning, but it sounds like the wife was the alpha in this duo. Still so hard to fathom doing anything like that with a new baby. 😦
It will be interesting to see where the evidence now leads in terms of their possible international contacts — and a potential secondary (main) target that was planned. Scary.
Sounds also like there were plenty of others locally in on it, based on neighbors’ reports of many people coming and going through the night in the garage. Authorities will be pursuing those leads as well. We know only a little bit of what they already do.
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http://freedomsback.com/cartoons/the-isis-vote/
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Hence my comment last week about the poor, innocent “women and children.” We are dups if we don’t come to grips with that.
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So it was post partum depression?
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Husband wanted to not surprise the elders of the church with his letters. So he stopped by one guy’s office and talked to him. The guy had no idea about Islam. Nothing about the goals, nothing about the beliefs, nothing about the beginnings. This is what he is finding all over the place. People want us to welcome the refugees…well, maybe not in my backyard, but certainly into the States. Because they feel sorry for them. And we should. And like KBells said is a no brainer, send them aid and workers. But then the help does not seem to get to the people who need it. Salvation Army and Samaritan’s Purse seem to get things moving well. and some others.
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Roscuro, I appreciate your analysis of The Searchers on yesterday’s thread. Christianity in that movie was represented by Ward Bond as Captain/Reverend Clayton who checked the worst elements of John Wayne’s character. The post I reprinted above was written from a psychological, not a Christian perspective. It is interesting to consider how both Christianity and Islam affect the natural tendencies of the Alpha male.
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Way to blow an investigation….
The defense attorneys of their co-conspirators, and yeah, there were co-conspirators, will now have a field day with this now tainted evidence.
Idiots. They need to arrest every single one who went in. This is still an active crime scene.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/243597-nbc-news-allowed-into-san-bernardino-suspects-apartment/
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This would be hilarious if it was a joke…. “72 employees at DHS on terror watch list”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3368098/posts
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345982/Photos-toys-Muslim-books-seen-inside-San-Bernardino-killers-home-wife-pledged-allegiance-ISIS-Facebook-couple-launched-attack.html
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Sad, but I can see that.
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Ricky, Thanks, I hoped you would understand what I was saying.
I didn’t know what a K-1 visa was, so I looked it up. From the description of the process, it seems less rigorous than the refugee screening process. I wonder if that is because K-1s are only granted to fiancées of American citizens.
It is no surprise that a woman could be the instigator. There are Jezebels as well as Abigails amongst all women. However, the Daily Mail does jump the gun in its reporting – like their claim that some of the Parisian attackers were Syrian refugees. More information will no doubt be forthcoming from steadier sources.
Linda, may I point out that we need to be careful to not visit the sins of the father upon the heads of the children (Ezekiel 18) in all of this.
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A friend of mine spent 8 years working on the fiancee and then spouse visa, and it was touch and go all the way up to the week before they celebrated their first wedding anniversary in Ireland in November.
So, how do you get one of these fast fiancee visas?
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There seems to be a lot of concern about Islamophobia. So far there has been a little vandalism and one guy was shot at. However no one seemed concerned about anti-Christian violence after the PP shooting despite the a recent shooting in Oregon where Christians were targeted.
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Michelle, I didn’t say it was fast, just that it the screening seemed less rigorous.
K-1 Process: http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/immigrate/family/fiance-k-1.html
Refuge Screening: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states
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I was bothered that they posted the picture of one of the moms.
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KBells, Russell Moore addressed the problem of the PP shooter in his interview on NPR.
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Michelle, I think you have to convert to Islam.
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Roscuro, from your perspective, having spent time in a Muslim culture, regarding the peaceful Muslims, are they not reading the Koran, or don’t understand that it teaches the infidels are to be killed? If they do know that, though, what do they say about it? Do they have any guilt about not being obedient to that teaching, if they know about it?
I want to understand more about who the peaceful Muslims are, and what their beliefs are.
Thanks.
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Peggy Noonan on prayer ‘shaming,’ youthful censorship and why the First Amendment needs our prayers.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-first-amendment-needs-your-prayers-1449187707
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A connected point, it seems to me, is that Americans are growing weary of being told what they can and cannot publicly say, proclaim and think. We all know what’s going on at the colleges, with the mad little Marats and Robespierres who are telling students and administrators what they are and are not allowed to say or do. This is not just kids acting up at this point, it’s a real censorship movement backed by an ideology that is hostile to the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. It is led by students who, though they managed to get into the greatest universities in the country, seem never to have been taught to love the little amendment that guarantees free speech and free religious observance, the two pillars without which America collapses. And too bad, because when you don’t love something you lose it.
It is my impression that what is happening on the campuses is starting to break through as a real threat to what used to be called normal Americans. …
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