I see that the sun is going to shut down in fifteen years and wel (You people) will have another Ice age. Abut the time global warming has made the sea rise ten feet.
I see that an agreement has been made with Iran. I haven’t had time to know what is in it. I don’t know that it matters.
They win. That’s all I know.
Deleted, I don’t understand your last post.
Are you teaching a course?
What does it have to do with vacation?
In the normal course of things, I am closer than anyone else here.
I’m looking forward to it but in God’s time. I have someone here who needs me.
I see on FoxfNews that Obama will veto a bill that blocks the Iran nuclear deal.
It doesn’t work that way.
The treaty is not a law that can be vetoed. It is a bill presented to Congress that must be passed. If not passed, it is not a valid treaty. Obama may adhere to the treaty but it is not a thing that future presidents must follow.
i.e. It is not a treaty until passed by Congress. Obama can’t do anything about that.
And does anyone doubt for a minute that the RINO’s running the R party won’t cave and pass it, just like pretty much on every other issue?
I don’t. They signed off on Holder, and dozens of other unqualified partisans, so why not here too? They funded ObamaCare thru next year, caved on the govt shutdown, have done little to stop his illegal acts on immigration and at the IRS, so why stop now?
They’ve been helping him build his “legacy” all along.
One of the big reasons Lee & I are hoping & praying for healing of his prostate cancer is because he wants to be around for Forrest, who needs his godly influence & guidance.
Of course, we are also praying, above all, God’s will be done. I am trying to find peace with the possibility of losing my husband at a relatively “young” age. (Young compared to today’s life expectancy.) That’s not easy to do, but I want to be in God’s will, & truly trust Him, come what may.
I like that we’re talking about heaven on the politics thread. 🙂 We’re just jumping straight to the end of the story now.
For anyone interested, a friend passed on a book to me (and I’ve passed it on to another) that gives a biblical look at what happens when we die in terms of the intermediary state, our eventual physical resurrection, etc.
There simply isn’t a whole lot said in Scripture regarding the afterlife and how that looks. It’s, in some sense, probably indescribable?
The book is “Grieving, Hope and Solace: When a Loved One Dies in Christ” by Albert Martin (published by Cruciform):
This is a strange venue for the discussion of heaven and where we will be. And “Deleted” started it.
There are two basic theories among Christians.
Seventh Day Adventists and some others, believe in “soul sleep”. That is, when we die, we sleep peacefully until suddenly Christ returns and we are resurrected.
I believe, and most Baptists agree: When a Christian dies he is immediately taken to heaven where he lives in a spiritual state until the resurrection of the physical body.
I base this on three things:
1. Jesus, said, in John 14 that he was going to the Father and that where he was, we would be also. Some say that is a weak foundation for this theory. However,
2. When Stephen was killed, he saw Christ rise to meet him.
3. Paul, in Phil. 1:23 says that he will be with Christ, which is better than being here.
I rest me case.
That’s pretty much the book’s position as well — it is the intermediary state where spiritually we ware immediately with Christ. It’s a good book on a subject that’s not well understood (and a subject on which we sometimes wish the Bible said a little bit more)
Good article, HRW. Even though many of the Founding Fathers did not like slavery, many were motivated to join the Revolution by King George’s threat (which he, like Lincoln partially carried out) to free the slaves. Southerners in 1775 were like Southerners in 1860. They largely agreed with Jefferson who said they “had the wolf by the ears”.
There is a distinction between supporting slavery and not wanting to live around large numbers of free black people. Southerners in 1775 and 1860 did not want to live around large numbers of free blacks. Northerners, at the same times, also did not want to live around free blacks and passed many laws making it difficult for blacks to move to or live in their states. Have we really changed in our attitudes? Why do we have suburbs and exurbs? Racial problems are very difficult problems to solve. Call me naive. I had hopes that the election of Obama might make things better. I had hopes that he would voice hard truths to blacks and earn the respect of many whites. I was extremely naive.
I’m sorry, too, that Obama’s 2 terms didn’t lead to more of a breakthrough in race relations. 😦 It was the one thing I was happy about on election night 2008 — I wasn’t crazy (at all) about Obama, but on the up side, I thought, wow, we’ve actually elected our first black president, how amazing and wonderful is that? I remember smiling as I watched him and Michelle dance at the inaugural. We did it, I thought, we managed to move beyond what was such a troubled past when it came to race relations and actually elect an African-American as president. I was a kid & teen when the civil rights movement was going strong in the 1960s and remember well all the turmoil of those years. I guess I didn’t think I’d see a black president in my lifetime.
I see that the sun is going to shut down in fifteen years and wel (You people) will have another Ice age. Abut the time global warming has made the sea rise ten feet.
I see that an agreement has been made with Iran. I haven’t had time to know what is in it. I don’t know that it matters.
They win. That’s all I know.
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You do know I’ll be teaching on heaven next? Some of us are looking forward to it as vacation prep . . .
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Deleted, I don’t understand your last post.
Are you teaching a course?
What does it have to do with vacation?
In the normal course of things, I am closer than anyone else here.
I’m looking forward to it but in God’s time. I have someone here who needs me.
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With the recent Iran deal, we’re all closer to Heaven than we were.
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I see on FoxfNews that Obama will veto a bill that blocks the Iran nuclear deal.
It doesn’t work that way.
The treaty is not a law that can be vetoed. It is a bill presented to Congress that must be passed. If not passed, it is not a valid treaty. Obama may adhere to the treaty but it is not a thing that future presidents must follow.
i.e. It is not a treaty until passed by Congress. Obama can’t do anything about that.
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Obama can do anything he wants. Haven’t you realized that yet? 😦
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And does anyone doubt for a minute that the RINO’s running the R party won’t cave and pass it, just like pretty much on every other issue?
I don’t. They signed off on Holder, and dozens of other unqualified partisans, so why not here too? They funded ObamaCare thru next year, caved on the govt shutdown, have done little to stop his illegal acts on immigration and at the IRS, so why stop now?
They’ve been helping him build his “legacy” all along.
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Chas – We need you, too. 🙂
One of the big reasons Lee & I are hoping & praying for healing of his prostate cancer is because he wants to be around for Forrest, who needs his godly influence & guidance.
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Of course, we are also praying, above all, God’s will be done. I am trying to find peace with the possibility of losing my husband at a relatively “young” age. (Young compared to today’s life expectancy.) That’s not easy to do, but I want to be in God’s will, & truly trust Him, come what may.
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I like that we’re talking about heaven on the politics thread. 🙂 We’re just jumping straight to the end of the story now.
For anyone interested, a friend passed on a book to me (and I’ve passed it on to another) that gives a biblical look at what happens when we die in terms of the intermediary state, our eventual physical resurrection, etc.
There simply isn’t a whole lot said in Scripture regarding the afterlife and how that looks. It’s, in some sense, probably indescribable?
The book is “Grieving, Hope and Solace: When a Loved One Dies in Christ” by Albert Martin (published by Cruciform):
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This is a strange venue for the discussion of heaven and where we will be. And “Deleted” started it.
There are two basic theories among Christians.
Seventh Day Adventists and some others, believe in “soul sleep”. That is, when we die, we sleep peacefully until suddenly Christ returns and we are resurrected.
I believe, and most Baptists agree: When a Christian dies he is immediately taken to heaven where he lives in a spiritual state until the resurrection of the physical body.
I base this on three things:
1. Jesus, said, in John 14 that he was going to the Father and that where he was, we would be also. Some say that is a weak foundation for this theory. However,
2. When Stephen was killed, he saw Christ rise to meet him.
3. Paul, in Phil. 1:23 says that he will be with Christ, which is better than being here.
I rest me case.
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That’s pretty much the book’s position as well — it is the intermediary state where spiritually we ware immediately with Christ. It’s a good book on a subject that’s not well understood (and a subject on which we sometimes wish the Bible said a little bit more)
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(I think the author is Baptist as well)
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I have a good friend (a PCA Pastor’s wife, to boot) who believes “we all show up together” and I tend to like that theory.
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On the Iranian “deal”
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/07/how-to-think-about-the-iran-deal-in-one-photo.php
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And in other insane news
http://wjbf.com/2015/07/13/naacp-calls-for-stone-mountain-carving-to-be-removed/
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You think the Battle for Atlanta was bad?
Wait till someone tries to remove the sculpture.
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Interesting commentary on the origins of the American revolution.
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2015/may/20/1776-revolt-against-austerity/
Hrw
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Maybe I should have posted Shall We Gather At The River on this thread, instead. 🙂
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I have been invited by a Facebook friend to celebrate Confederate Flag pride day.
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Good article, HRW. Even though many of the Founding Fathers did not like slavery, many were motivated to join the Revolution by King George’s threat (which he, like Lincoln partially carried out) to free the slaves. Southerners in 1775 were like Southerners in 1860. They largely agreed with Jefferson who said they “had the wolf by the ears”.
There is a distinction between supporting slavery and not wanting to live around large numbers of free black people. Southerners in 1775 and 1860 did not want to live around large numbers of free blacks. Northerners, at the same times, also did not want to live around free blacks and passed many laws making it difficult for blacks to move to or live in their states. Have we really changed in our attitudes? Why do we have suburbs and exurbs? Racial problems are very difficult problems to solve. Call me naive. I had hopes that the election of Obama might make things better. I had hopes that he would voice hard truths to blacks and earn the respect of many whites. I was extremely naive.
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I’m sorry, too, that Obama’s 2 terms didn’t lead to more of a breakthrough in race relations. 😦 It was the one thing I was happy about on election night 2008 — I wasn’t crazy (at all) about Obama, but on the up side, I thought, wow, we’ve actually elected our first black president, how amazing and wonderful is that? I remember smiling as I watched him and Michelle dance at the inaugural. We did it, I thought, we managed to move beyond what was such a troubled past when it came to race relations and actually elect an African-American as president. I was a kid & teen when the civil rights movement was going strong in the 1960s and remember well all the turmoil of those years. I guess I didn’t think I’d see a black president in my lifetime.
Sorry it all turned out the way it did.
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