What your guy didn’t point out Kim, is that some people can’t leave it alone and mind their own business. In truth, most of the racial injustice happens north of the Potomac..
My latest Civil War museum flag story — a politician decided to intervene yesterday — has garnered a long thread of arguments on FB, meanwhile, they’re really going at it tooth and nail. The paper also posted its own link to the same story on FB yesterday, I haven’t checked how that one is coming along yet (although Kim commented on that one 🙂 )
Everyone’s up in arms over the flag. Crazy.
Someone here said the flag issue is a distraction — perhaps, but the thing is … these seemingly “surface” issues represent a whole slew of other, deeper issues, which is why they spark such controversy & intensity. You just have to figure out what’s really going on when people go at it like they do. What is it all representing to people that they’re so engaged? You have issues of race relations, of course, but also issues of freedom of speech and expression, censorship, history, the growing role of the federal government — and what seems to still be a regional tug of war going on in our country.
So it’s not a distraction in the sense that it’s meaningless. In reality, there’s a lot going on in that debate, not far below the surface.
Donna J, You are right. There are many conservatives, particularly in the South, that are increasingly hostile to the socialist, tree-hugging, pro-abortion and pro-perversion policies pushed at home and abroad by the government of the United States. When those policies are forced upon a still conservative South by Washington politicians and judges, it is natural for Southern conservatives to rally behind the flag of their ancestors, particularly when that flag is being attacked by the same collection of socialists, perverts and criminals that have ruined the United States.
Many of us like Cruz, Jindal, Walker et al., but we know that none of these fine men can transform a nation whose people have gone bad.
“My heart wouldn’t be in it for Hillary to the extent that it might be if it was a different candidate,” said Jennifer Herrington, chair of the Page County Democrats. “There’s always the nagging feeling that her ship may have sailed,” said Tom Swartz, who heads the Marshall County Democrats, of Hillary. “Elizabeth Warren, I would enjoy going out to lunch with her. Hillary, less,” Lorraine Williams, chairwoman of the Washington County Democrats, commented.
Considering this enthusiasm gap, and data from an Iowa focus group, conducted by Bloomberg Politics and Purple Strategies in May, that showed Clinton’s supporters struggling to list her accomplishments, Hillary finds herself in a precarious position. At this point in the race, national poll numbers mean far less than the numbers in primary and caucus states. And that means that Clinton is in serious trouble.
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The flag is issue just goes to show we no longer have the ability to compromise. Why does it have to be all or nothing.,high and honored by the government or banned from everything. Just take it off the government buildings. except where it is historically appropriate. Private business can choose to sell it or not and private citizens can choose to buy it or not.
In the immediate aftermath of the church shootings, there was (in my estimation) a very generous, gracious, bi-partisan, home-state based offer-call to take the flag down from the state capitol grounds. Alabama followed suit voluntarily though more quietly.
End of story? Hardly.
From there, I don’t know what happened, but it seemed to quickly turn into a frenzy to forcibly rid the landscape of any images of the flag. I suspect the retailers who then pulled the flag in such a knee-jerk fashion were reacting as much to the prospect of being harassed and shamed by the flag-hunters as they were by any true belief that it was somehow going to defeat racism in our time.
And on it goes.
I have never seen a group so intent on shutting down free expression and differences of opinion than today’s liberals. They seem to be compelled to exert complete control over, well, just about everything. What’s happened to them?
(Side note: A friend from my college journalism days seriously posted on FB last night that there have been studies suggesting that Republicans/conservatives have lower IQs. They simply don’t have the capacity to truly understand so many of the issues facing the country. Not sure if that was her attempt at being compassionate or what 🙄 )
This Republican is too stupid to understand how you can spend 19 trillion dollars and obligate hundreds of trillions more and not have to account for it.
The flag — from the left wing sites that populate my news feed, it seems the anger at the flag arose when the state capital lowered the US and state flags, but the CSA flag flew full mast at a nearby veterans monument. Subject to different regulations and a cumbersome process to lower, it was perceived to fly defiantly at black grief. Things just seem to snowball from there.
I’m not sure there isn’t a compromise in this issue. Govt institutions may ban as directed by legislative process but people are free to fly it and stores are free to sell it. Corporations may however feel its in their best interests not too. Personally I don’t think it changes peoples opinion much but that’s not a corporations intent — they just want a good corporate image however that may be defined or attained. For some its not to sell a flag for others its not purchase birth control for its employees. Capitalism means ideas and sometimes even history have to survive the free market.
Why I post as anonymous on my cell I do not know. HRW
Hilary — as much as I would love to see Sanders win, I don’t think Hilary is in trouble quite yet; fox speculation aside. Warren met with Clinton several months ago and shortly after announced she would not run. Sanders stepped in shortly after. It would be fun to speculate on any “gentleman’s” agreement the two ladies have, I don’t see warren changing her mind. However, Sanders will be enough to challenge Clinton esp if her camp makes any errors.
It would be interesting to see any polls of Sanders vs a Republican , so far I’ve only seen ones of Clinton vs a random Republican with walker/bush/rubio about five points back.
May God use your courage to prevent Organized Perversion (and its puppet state the United States) from spreading the plague of perversion throughout the world. The people of the South are with you. Organized Perversion hates our flag as much as they hate yours.
Donna – YF has shared articles like that, about how stupid Republicans & conservatives are. One was about how people who mostly get their news from Fox News are uninformed, & believe things that are not true because of Fox News’ influence on them.
Another piece she shared was about myths about the human body (especially the female body) that were believed in the Dark Ages, that Republican men still believe. Of course, Republican men don’t really believe those myths, the article, while ostensibly about those myths, was really just a ruse to bash Republicans. She’s shared other articles like that, too. The contempt (even hatred) for conservatives & Republicans is almost palpable through the computer screen.
BTW, I also don’t like reading from conservative sources about how uninformed & stupid liberals are. I hesitate to write things like I did above (& notice I said “some liberals”, not all), but that was just between us, mostly-conservative types. I wouldn’t write that on Facebook, where someone might be offended.
Speaking of morality vs. perversion, Make It Man shared this quote on Facebook the other day…
“There are people who think that if America becomes moral, God will bless
America. There are people who think if America becomes moral and religious, then God will doubly bless America. So, let’s put God back in the public discourse, let’s put prayer back in the schools, let’s put the Ten Commandments up on the wall in public places, in courtrooms. Let’s stop abortion. Let’s stop rampant homosexuality. Let’s stop pornography, etc. And if we can just bring about some kind of morality, and better yet, some kind of commitment to God, then we will be blessed.
“There’s only one thing God blesses, just one and that is He blesses saving faith in and love for His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. That’s the only thing He blesses. Anybody who does not believe in and love the Lord Jesus Christ is among the cursed, right? As Christians, of course we are for morality. We’re not for immorality. And we can do some topical, some superficial good, we can through political means because we live in a republic and a democracy, we can mitigate public indecency in some ways. We can mitigate public scandal, can use our democratic privileges. But that does not advance us in divine favor either individually or collectively. In fact, in 1 Corinthians 16:22 it is said, unmistakably, “If any man doesn’t love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anathema,” cursed, judged, damned, condemned. There’s only one thing God will bless and that’s faith in and love for His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.”
John MacArthur
And that had me thinking about what a mom in my church said many years ago. She said that she would rather have an outwardly rebellious, strong-willed child, because at least then she knows what she is dealing with. Outwardly compliant, “good” children can in fact be rebellious in a secret, much more dangerous way.
An immoral person without Christ is lost, but a moral person without Christ is just as lost.
Karen, I think most of us believe that if we turn to Christ, our morals will improve. America has turned away from Christ and so it follows no Biblical principles. America follows the cult of perversion.
HRW, Like you, I would love to see Sanders or the Faux Indian Warren as the Democratic nominee. They are true socialists. Hillary is more of a corrupt fascist. Business groups will be able to buy her off. Corrupt fascism does not bring economic collapse as quickly as true socialism. I am confident that Sanders can turn the U.S. into a Cuba, North Korea, Greece or Venezuela in short order. A bankrupt nation cannot spread perversion. So, Go Bernie Go!
To further solidify the alliance between the Old South and heterosexuality, we see that our enemies have Ellen DeGeneres and Rachel Maddow, but we have Sophia Loren.
Kim, On the other hand, this whole episode has unleashed a huge outburst of Southern pride. I follow the Virginia Flaggers on Twitter and Facebook. They cannot keep up with the pictures of large rallies throughout the South in defense of the flag.
The hatred the Yankees have for us is a good thing. There is a growing movement among the vilest Yankees to kick us out of the Union. Oh, please Brer Yankee! Don’t throw us in that briar patch!
Ricky the modern and more polite form of fascism is corporatism, which has a natural tendency to be come corrupt. Clinton along with the Republican frontrunners all espouse a form of corporatism. The election becomes a contest to determine who gets the spoils.
Sanders on the other hand is a socialist and he’s not campaigning for the spoils. He more than anyone out there is mounting a serious challenge to the status quo. If you want to send a shock to the system that governs the US elect Sanders.
Greece’s economy and debt is not the fault of the current socialist govt. They were elected to clean up the mess created by the two main right/left centre parties who were corrupt and inept. Cuba can be described as somewhat of a success story . despite a boycott, they developed a society and an economy with the highest life expectancy, lowest infant mortality rate, etc in Latin America.
HRW, You and I are in general agreement on the nature of fascism. Fascism always involved corporatism. Hitler and Mussolini made deals with German and Italian industrialists. They made deals with business even as US politicians have made deals with Wall Street, the medical industry, the auto industry, the pharmaceutical companies, the energy industry, etc.
I also agree that Hillary is much like Jeb Bush, Romney, Christie and maybe a few other Republicans when it comes to economic policy.
Paul, Cruz and Jindal are different, but their free enterprise reforms could never be adopted in a nation that is increasingly ignorant, lazy, immoral and greedy.
So give us Sanders to turn the U.S. into a success story like Cuba. I don’t see Cuba exporting abortion or perversion into many other nations. Perhaps Sanders will eventually sell the South to Singapore to pay debts. That country’s government is the best in the world.
Wandering Views 
The Santa Rosa Gazette is no New York or LA Times. It’s no Atlanta Journal, it’s not even the Mobile Press Register, but this guy gets it.
http://www.srpressgazette.com/opinion/editorials/the-cultural-civil-war-1.495848?page=0
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What your guy didn’t point out Kim, is that some people can’t leave it alone and mind their own business. In truth, most of the racial injustice happens north of the Potomac..
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My latest Civil War museum flag story — a politician decided to intervene yesterday — has garnered a long thread of arguments on FB, meanwhile, they’re really going at it tooth and nail. The paper also posted its own link to the same story on FB yesterday, I haven’t checked how that one is coming along yet (although Kim commented on that one 🙂 )
Everyone’s up in arms over the flag. Crazy.
Someone here said the flag issue is a distraction — perhaps, but the thing is … these seemingly “surface” issues represent a whole slew of other, deeper issues, which is why they spark such controversy & intensity. You just have to figure out what’s really going on when people go at it like they do. What is it all representing to people that they’re so engaged? You have issues of race relations, of course, but also issues of freedom of speech and expression, censorship, history, the growing role of the federal government — and what seems to still be a regional tug of war going on in our country.
So it’s not a distraction in the sense that it’s meaningless. In reality, there’s a lot going on in that debate, not far below the surface.
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Donna J, You are right. There are many conservatives, particularly in the South, that are increasingly hostile to the socialist, tree-hugging, pro-abortion and pro-perversion policies pushed at home and abroad by the government of the United States. When those policies are forced upon a still conservative South by Washington politicians and judges, it is natural for Southern conservatives to rally behind the flag of their ancestors, particularly when that flag is being attacked by the same collection of socialists, perverts and criminals that have ruined the United States.
Many of us like Cruz, Jindal, Walker et al., but we know that none of these fine men can transform a nation whose people have gone bad.
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Trump is not backing down. Good.
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Kim, I enjoyed that common sense link
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Credible look at Hillary’s current challenges within her own party
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/07/09/potentially-mortal-threat-to-hillary-s-candidacy.html
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“My heart wouldn’t be in it for Hillary to the extent that it might be if it was a different candidate,” said Jennifer Herrington, chair of the Page County Democrats. “There’s always the nagging feeling that her ship may have sailed,” said Tom Swartz, who heads the Marshall County Democrats, of Hillary. “Elizabeth Warren, I would enjoy going out to lunch with her. Hillary, less,” Lorraine Williams, chairwoman of the Washington County Democrats, commented.
Considering this enthusiasm gap, and data from an Iowa focus group, conducted by Bloomberg Politics and Purple Strategies in May, that showed Clinton’s supporters struggling to list her accomplishments, Hillary finds herself in a precarious position. At this point in the race, national poll numbers mean far less than the numbers in primary and caucus states. And that means that Clinton is in serious trouble.
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The flag is issue just goes to show we no longer have the ability to compromise. Why does it have to be all or nothing.,high and honored by the government or banned from everything. Just take it off the government buildings. except where it is historically appropriate. Private business can choose to sell it or not and private citizens can choose to buy it or not.
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kBells – It certainly does seem that many liberals will accept no compromise on any issue these days.
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In the immediate aftermath of the church shootings, there was (in my estimation) a very generous, gracious, bi-partisan, home-state based offer-call to take the flag down from the state capitol grounds. Alabama followed suit voluntarily though more quietly.
End of story? Hardly.
From there, I don’t know what happened, but it seemed to quickly turn into a frenzy to forcibly rid the landscape of any images of the flag. I suspect the retailers who then pulled the flag in such a knee-jerk fashion were reacting as much to the prospect of being harassed and shamed by the flag-hunters as they were by any true belief that it was somehow going to defeat racism in our time.
And on it goes.
I have never seen a group so intent on shutting down free expression and differences of opinion than today’s liberals. They seem to be compelled to exert complete control over, well, just about everything. What’s happened to them?
(Side note: A friend from my college journalism days seriously posted on FB last night that there have been studies suggesting that Republicans/conservatives have lower IQs. They simply don’t have the capacity to truly understand so many of the issues facing the country. Not sure if that was her attempt at being compassionate or what 🙄 )
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This Republican is too stupid to understand how you can spend 19 trillion dollars and obligate hundreds of trillions more and not have to account for it.
I know: “Not on my watch.”
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The flag — from the left wing sites that populate my news feed, it seems the anger at the flag arose when the state capital lowered the US and state flags, but the CSA flag flew full mast at a nearby veterans monument. Subject to different regulations and a cumbersome process to lower, it was perceived to fly defiantly at black grief. Things just seem to snowball from there.
I’m not sure there isn’t a compromise in this issue. Govt institutions may ban as directed by legislative process but people are free to fly it and stores are free to sell it. Corporations may however feel its in their best interests not too. Personally I don’t think it changes peoples opinion much but that’s not a corporations intent — they just want a good corporate image however that may be defined or attained. For some its not to sell a flag for others its not purchase birth control for its employees. Capitalism means ideas and sometimes even history have to survive the free market.
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Why I post as anonymous on my cell I do not know. HRW
Hilary — as much as I would love to see Sanders win, I don’t think Hilary is in trouble quite yet; fox speculation aside. Warren met with Clinton several months ago and shortly after announced she would not run. Sanders stepped in shortly after. It would be fun to speculate on any “gentleman’s” agreement the two ladies have, I don’t see warren changing her mind. However, Sanders will be enough to challenge Clinton esp if her camp makes any errors.
It would be interesting to see any polls of Sanders vs a Republican , so far I’ve only seen ones of Clinton vs a random Republican with walker/bush/rubio about five points back.
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Thank you, Russia!
http://allnewspipeline.com/When_Did_Russia_Become_The_Good_Guy.php
May God use your courage to prevent Organized Perversion (and its puppet state the United States) from spreading the plague of perversion throughout the world. The people of the South are with you. Organized Perversion hates our flag as much as they hate yours.
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Donna – YF has shared articles like that, about how stupid Republicans & conservatives are. One was about how people who mostly get their news from Fox News are uninformed, & believe things that are not true because of Fox News’ influence on them.
Another piece she shared was about myths about the human body (especially the female body) that were believed in the Dark Ages, that Republican men still believe. Of course, Republican men don’t really believe those myths, the article, while ostensibly about those myths, was really just a ruse to bash Republicans. She’s shared other articles like that, too. The contempt (even hatred) for conservatives & Republicans is almost palpable through the computer screen.
BTW, I also don’t like reading from conservative sources about how uninformed & stupid liberals are. I hesitate to write things like I did above (& notice I said “some liberals”, not all), but that was just between us, mostly-conservative types. I wouldn’t write that on Facebook, where someone might be offended.
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Speaking of morality vs. perversion, Make It Man shared this quote on Facebook the other day…
“There are people who think that if America becomes moral, God will bless
America. There are people who think if America becomes moral and religious, then God will doubly bless America. So, let’s put God back in the public discourse, let’s put prayer back in the schools, let’s put the Ten Commandments up on the wall in public places, in courtrooms. Let’s stop abortion. Let’s stop rampant homosexuality. Let’s stop pornography, etc. And if we can just bring about some kind of morality, and better yet, some kind of commitment to God, then we will be blessed.
“There’s only one thing God blesses, just one and that is He blesses saving faith in and love for His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. That’s the only thing He blesses. Anybody who does not believe in and love the Lord Jesus Christ is among the cursed, right? As Christians, of course we are for morality. We’re not for immorality. And we can do some topical, some superficial good, we can through political means because we live in a republic and a democracy, we can mitigate public indecency in some ways. We can mitigate public scandal, can use our democratic privileges. But that does not advance us in divine favor either individually or collectively. In fact, in 1 Corinthians 16:22 it is said, unmistakably, “If any man doesn’t love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anathema,” cursed, judged, damned, condemned. There’s only one thing God will bless and that’s faith in and love for His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.”
John MacArthur
And that had me thinking about what a mom in my church said many years ago. She said that she would rather have an outwardly rebellious, strong-willed child, because at least then she knows what she is dealing with. Outwardly compliant, “good” children can in fact be rebellious in a secret, much more dangerous way.
An immoral person without Christ is lost, but a moral person without Christ is just as lost.
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Oh, shoot. I forgot to close the italics after the quote.
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Karen, I think most of us believe that if we turn to Christ, our morals will improve. America has turned away from Christ and so it follows no Biblical principles. America follows the cult of perversion.
HRW, Like you, I would love to see Sanders or the Faux Indian Warren as the Democratic nominee. They are true socialists. Hillary is more of a corrupt fascist. Business groups will be able to buy her off. Corrupt fascism does not bring economic collapse as quickly as true socialism. I am confident that Sanders can turn the U.S. into a Cuba, North Korea, Greece or Venezuela in short order. A bankrupt nation cannot spread perversion. So, Go Bernie Go!
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To further solidify the alliance between the Old South and heterosexuality, we see that our enemies have Ellen DeGeneres and Rachel Maddow, but we have Sophia Loren.
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For some reason I never can read the name Rachel Maddow without reading it as Mad Cow. I read it somewhere long ago.
I am just weary with all the venom that has been spewed at the South. We don’t fit their profile so they must attack.
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Kim, On the other hand, this whole episode has unleashed a huge outburst of Southern pride. I follow the Virginia Flaggers on Twitter and Facebook. They cannot keep up with the pictures of large rallies throughout the South in defense of the flag.
The hatred the Yankees have for us is a good thing. There is a growing movement among the vilest Yankees to kick us out of the Union. Oh, please Brer Yankee! Don’t throw us in that briar patch!
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But the threats of digging up the dead and moving them….we show more respect for people than that.
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Ricky the modern and more polite form of fascism is corporatism, which has a natural tendency to be come corrupt. Clinton along with the Republican frontrunners all espouse a form of corporatism. The election becomes a contest to determine who gets the spoils.
Sanders on the other hand is a socialist and he’s not campaigning for the spoils. He more than anyone out there is mounting a serious challenge to the status quo. If you want to send a shock to the system that governs the US elect Sanders.
Greece’s economy and debt is not the fault of the current socialist govt. They were elected to clean up the mess created by the two main right/left centre parties who were corrupt and inept. Cuba can be described as somewhat of a success story . despite a boycott, they developed a society and an economy with the highest life expectancy, lowest infant mortality rate, etc in Latin America.
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HRW, You and I are in general agreement on the nature of fascism. Fascism always involved corporatism. Hitler and Mussolini made deals with German and Italian industrialists. They made deals with business even as US politicians have made deals with Wall Street, the medical industry, the auto industry, the pharmaceutical companies, the energy industry, etc.
I also agree that Hillary is much like Jeb Bush, Romney, Christie and maybe a few other Republicans when it comes to economic policy.
Paul, Cruz and Jindal are different, but their free enterprise reforms could never be adopted in a nation that is increasingly ignorant, lazy, immoral and greedy.
So give us Sanders to turn the U.S. into a success story like Cuba. I don’t see Cuba exporting abortion or perversion into many other nations. Perhaps Sanders will eventually sell the South to Singapore to pay debts. That country’s government is the best in the world.
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The US has the hardest working workers in the western world. Just not the most productive nor efficient. And that’s a managerial issue.
Ron Paul was an original, Rand not so much nor the rest of the lot.
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Hrw, for the above
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