Good Morning!
On this day in 1621 the first duel in America took place in the Plymouth Colony in Massachusetts.
In 1812 The War of 1812 began as the U.S. declared war against Great Britain.
In 1861 the first American fly-casting tournament was held in Utica, NY.
In 1873 Susan B. Anthony was fined $100 for attempting to vote for a U.S. President.
And in 1961 “Gunsmoke” was broadcast for the last time on CBS radio.
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Quote of the Day
“If you’re successful in what you do over a period of time, you’ll start approaching records, but that’s not what you’re playing for. You’re playing to challenge and be challenged.”
Lou Brock
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Today is Paul McCartney’s birthday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2_9QooYDYtU
And some Beatles too, but not really. 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YNG_jQI-Ejk
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Wandering Views 
Good morning everyone. Chuck is a big Paul McCartney fan.
but I’m not. How old is McCartney now? Must be pretty old. Chuck is a grandfather.
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I haven’t heard about the shooting in SC. I just turned the TV on. to see what happened.
On Fox, they’re saying that Al Sharpton is headed to Charleston. He’ll get it fixed. 😦
I still don’t know what happened.
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I didn’t know anything abut that until I saw Donna’s last post yesterday. It appears that Charleston police are at work here. I suspect that they will get it done without any help from Sharpton or anyone else who might want to exploit this..
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I had over the past year made the comment, “Thank You God, this isn’t happening in the South. (Florida doesn’t count). Now this hatred and evil has arrived at our door. I suspect we will not stand for it. This is just evil. This wasn’t police brutality. It was an evil white man who entered a house of worship and killed people obviously because of the color of their skin. No. The South has fought to hard against stereortypes. They need to find him and hang him in the public square for all to see that it won’t be tolerated here again ever.
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A black pastor on FoxNews points out that it was a church, not a basketball court or some other place. He says that pastors need to be armed to protect their people.
They talked a bit abut religious violence.
I don’t know that I would go that far. But I have thought of a scenario where terrorists could murder several and get away.
I once attended a large Baptist church in Orlando. They had several police cars there, ostensibly to direct traffic. But they were well armed.
Smart move.
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From the Book of Common Prayer:
Grant, O God, that your holy and life-giving Spirit may so move every human heart [and especially the hearts of the people of this land], that barriers which divide us may crumble, suspicions disappear, and hatreds cease; that our divisions being healed, we may live in justice and peace; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
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We had a situation here a few years back where a man entered a local church heavily armed. Somehow someone in the church was able to contact the police. No one was injured. I don’t think it made the national news. It is scary to think that you aren’t safe in a church.
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I got up this morning a bit surprised they didn’t have the suspect in custody yet — but I suspect they know who he is, just a matter of time (unless he kills himself first which is a possibility). He’s young enough he must have parents somewhere (or may still live with them). The whole thing is shocking and beyond awful.
Curious, too, that he sat in the church for an hour, apparently participating in the Bible study/prayer meeting that was going on before the attack. Seems like he wasn’t worried about being identified.
And I agree with Chas (I think, though it was somewhat unspoken), it seems antithetical to talk about a pastor or others carrying firearms in church. 😦 😦
As you know, I’m not fan of the whole “hate crime” category (though at first blush, this would appear to be at least in part racially motivated).
It was disturbing to read the twitter feed on the incident last night, people were all over the map with outrage to spare, many saying the suspect will get away with it because he’s white — he’ll be declared mentally ill (I’m also annoyed by the “mental illness” comeback, but he is of that age in which these conditions tend to surface in people) or will be somehow glorified in the media as a nice, white boy. Many were arguing semantics about how this should be called “terrorism;” a lot of anger directed toward the governor for (?) having flown the confederate flag. Anger against Fox News. On it went.
Others, of course, were turning it (or trying to turn it) into something that fit their own particular political agenda. That’s the time in which we live. Everyone posting on what has become a community bulletin board (with not a lot of thoughtfulness or intelligence, mostly raw emotion run amok).
Kind of a scary, unfiltered glimpse into the body politic at one particular moment of upset.
There’s a lot of anger out there.
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My, what big ears that kitty has.
Paul McCartney was a cutie and has hung there. I often think how strange it would be for my 12-year-old swooning self to be able to see him — and many of the rest of our rock ‘n roll heartthrobs — as old guys. 🙂 But for the most part, they’ve managed to age fairly gracefully and are still in the music game. Good for them.
I saw the Beatles at the Hollywood Bowl in ’65, and remember that “Yesterday” was their brand new record at the time.
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And regarding news coverage of incidents like this latest shooting, here are some wise words from Mediactive:
It comes down to this: The faster the news accelerates, the slower I’m inclined to believe anything I hear — and the harder I look for the coverage that pulls together the most facts with the most clarity about what’s known and what’s speculation. Call it slow news. Call it critical thinking. Call it anything you want. Give some thought to adopting it for at least some of your media consumption, and creation.
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I can’t believe you didn’t post this one:
Do you know how glamorous it made me in fourth grade?
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I agree. Very odd he sat through the Bible study and obviously got nothing out of it.
Surely folks won’t burn down Charleston over this, right?
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Guess now multiple sources are reporting:
COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) – The suspect in the mass shooting at a Charleston church is from the Columbia area, according to law enforcement sources.
Law enforcement is pursuing 21-year-old Dylann Storm Roof, of Eastover. An active manhunt is taking place in several locations in the Midlands.
Public records show Roof was arrested in March in Lexington County on drug charges.
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Donna is correct. The speculators work faster than the news gatherers.
It irritates me no end to find that Al Sharpton is going to Charleston. (If that is true. I don’t even KNOW that.)
There is nothing at all that he can do. Nothing.
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For reliable updates, I’d trust following the newspaper of record in the area, the Post and Courier:
http://www.postandcourier.com
Their lead story is now reporting the ID as Dylann Roof who has an arrest record (not surprisingly)
I wonder now if he actually participated in the meeting at the church or simply was sitting in a pew, passively and separated from the the others ? We’ll know more once the survivors can speak. What a horrific thing to go through, and I understand there was a 5-year-old there as well who (according to one account) ‘played dead’ to survive (??)
Chas, I agree, Sharpton and all the others will soon converge. Let it begin. The problem is that everyone with an agenda to push now will try to interject their own larger narratives into this.
Pray for justice, peace, clarity and national patience as the facts become better known and understood (which is not to suggest we absolve the shooter in any way, mentally ill or not).
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Guns in church: when we were living in Greece, our church received some sort of threat. I don’t believe it was specific to our church so much as to all churches and maybe just all churches with American attenders. But we were advised by the elders that they were putting guards at the doors and locking them and taking other such precautions. I do not know if they were armed. The guards were just some of the bigger attendees. Greece as a lot of anarchist behavior so that may have been the threat. Anyway, looking at the death and destruction in Africa and in the middle east churches, one does wonder how far self protection ought to go.
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When we moved to Charleston in 1941, there were two newspapers. The Charleston Courier and the Charleston Evening Post. That was usually the case. That is why most newspapers have hyphenated names. ie. Post-Courier, Times-News,
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From the Post & Courier:
On his Facebook page, a photograph shows Roof staring blankly at the camera with a sunken forest in the background. On his jacket are two flags: one flown in South Africa during apartheid, a period of racial segregation, and one from Rhodesia, an area of Africa now known as Zimbabwe.
Roof’s uncle told Reuters that Roof got a gun as a birthday present in April, when he turned 21. The family member told the news agency that he had recognized his nephew from surveillance images.
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Chas, true, I used to work for a paper with a hyphenated name. Two rival papers in town from the early 1900s (and on opposing sides of whether the community should join the city of LA or not — it eventually did) came together under the one masthead.
I’m not anti-gun, but heavens, you’d think folks would be exceedingly careful only to give guns to the most responsible & mature young people. The information we have is still sparse, but this kid just looks like he was troubled.
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I see that the Attorney General is now involved.
😦
Exactly what we need. The Federal Government in this now.
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Since their motto is “never let a crisis go to waste”……
The left will have a field day with this…..
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-identify-gunman-who-killed-nine-in-south-carolina-church-attack/ar-AAbMfvy?ocid=U142DHP
“Roof sat with churchgoers inside Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church for about an hour on Wednesday before opening fire, Police Chief Gregory Mullen said.
He reloaded five times even as victims pleaded with him to stop, a relative of Pinckney’s said. Sylvia Johnson, a cousin, told MSNBC that a survivor told her the gunman reloaded five times during the attack. Pinckney tried to talk him out of it, she said.
“He just said, ‘I have to do it. You rape our women and you’re taking over our country,” Johnson said.”
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Ah, CNN says he’s in custody in North Carolina. Surprised they were able to arrest him alive.
This is all unfolding in your general neck of the woods, chas
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Donna, Rhodesia was an illegal state. Basically (and it was very complicated) the European settlers tried to take the country for themselves. There was a very long and ugly war between the settlers and the African tribes people, and the settlers went so far as to use chemical weapons against tribal villages. Mugabe is the product of that brutal conflict. I would say that a man who shows support for apartheid in South Africa and Rhodesia is unmistakeably racist. There is no need for Sharpton or the NCAAP to spin this – the man has made his views quite unmistakeable.
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Agreed, roscuro.
The problem comes when it is used as an overlay to implicate the broader white culture. Racism exists, always will as it is sin and we are fallen people.
But these incidents, I think, should still be seen also, if not primarily, as lone-wolf attacks by individuals who have their own agenda.
At this point, unfortunately, I’m afraid the race divide is so large that we’re only talking past each other, though, without a lot of listening going on. 😦
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Donna, it would be a great tragedy if the white Christian population moved more to protect their own reputations, than to weep with their black brothers and sisters over the senseless deaths of nine innocent people who died while gathered to worship our Lord.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspected-gunman-in-south-carolina-church-shooting-caught-in-shelby-charlotte-north-carolina-tv-stati/ar-AAbMfvy?ocid=U142DHP
“The suspected gunman in the shooting at a South Carolina church has been caught in Shelby, North Carolina, a local television station and other news outlets reported on Thursday.
WCCB in Charlotte, North Carolina posted the report on its Twitter page but gave no other details. CNN and MSNBC also reported his capture. Reuters could not immediately confirm the reports.”
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Given his alleged statements at the scene as reported by witnesses, yeah, it’s a hate crime.
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Not to change the subject, but to mention some home news, my mother has been undergoing a barrage of tests. She had not been to the doctor for many years, so there is a lot of catching up to do. My father is within a year of turning 70 and my mother not far behind. They are both quite healthy, in spite of aches, pains and swollen joints, though my mother has been loosing weight and my father’s benign rapid heart episodes have been increasing. The tests she had have revealed what appears to be a tumour in her right kidney. She is seeing a surgeon about it today. My father is seeming another surgeon about a heart procedure to stop the rapid heart episodes. I joked this morning, that at least they have a live-in nurse. My mother replied ruefully that I wasn’t paid. However, this is perhaps what I’m here for now. My health is finally improving, though I have to take it easy still. The three of us are quite the trio.
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Oh there’s a mouse in the blog house! 🙂 Big eyed mouse!!
The Pres. is going to give a statement on tv now………….making an anti gun statement…ugh…
A few years ago a gunman entered New Life Church in the Springs…a church we once attended….he shot at many and killed two young ladies…sisters….
As a result, most if not all churches around here have armed members….once a year a security conference is held at our church. We have armed members carrying concealed weapons and we have security people…with ear pieces in their ears…walking about the property before during and after services.
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Is that Mouse or a new kitty? Or a reflection of Mouse?
roscuro, prayers for your parents.
And I agree with your earlier comment at 11:42 — but I’ve seen efforts to so this being rebuffed, at least online, with people saying this isn’t about faith but race so quit trying to bring Christianity into it.
That’s what I mean by talking “past” each other to some degree. Efforts are being (and should be) made to bridge the divide, especially among churches. But there’s a lot of “noise” and resentment in the environment right now, which is frustrating and sad.
All we can do is keep trying to reach out, continuing to pray and to be quick to listen and slow to speak. We’ll be shouted down even so, but it’s our charge to do the right thing, whether it’s rightly received or not.
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I am in no way defending the suspect, but isn’t he innocent until proven guilty? All of the officials who are speaking out of Charleston and S.C. – the police commissioner, mayor, and governor – are referring to him as a “monster,” “terrible person,” and “THE killer.” I understand the emotion of the event but shouldn’t they be more careful how they speak? And legally, might this affect the prosecution?
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That’s Mouse. 🙂
Put your cursor on the pic and it clears it up and makes it looks much better. Then you’ll notice the her huge orange eyes really stand out, which I love. 🙂
And once again, my protege and my old camera took it. 🙂 She’s getting pretty good. 🙂
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Rush suggests that they send the Shelby police to New York.
I’m glad they caught the guy before the rabble rousers got organized.
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Again, from Rush. The Ferguson protesters are complaining because they haven’t been paid yet.
I don’t know, but I’ve heard that George Soros had something to do with that.
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My guess is that they had an ID on the guy last night (they seemed too certain about his age as being 21 — even if they did add an “about” before it later on — and there were witnesses who were around him for an hour; they also would have had the car license pretty quickly and who knows how many calls from family or friends who knew or were pretty sure it could be him).
It’s hard to contain/control commentary in these high-profile, very public slaughters (theater killer, Boston marathon bombers, etc.). Changing the venue probably won’t help as it’s such a national story. So, yeah, it definitely poses challenges in the prosecution and defense both, but it’s not a new dilemma. There’s not a good way to prevent that given the ability we have now for instant, electronic communications.
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I have to say, too, that given the precarious and delicate place in which our culture seems to find itself overall right now — and particularly with regard to racial tension — whoever did this royally messed things up even further.
There could be a lot of ramifications coming out of this now, from summer unrest across the nation to ?
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Baker Sellers — he was just interviewed on CNN, a class act. It’s heartening to hear some voices of reason and Christian perspective
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakari_Sellers
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Bakari
spellcheck did it
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Lynn Vincent was before my time on World, but several of you have mentioned her. World did an interview with her recently: http://www.worldmag.com/2015/06/lynn_vincent_the_narrative_reversal/
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If you like the story of the three little pigs, you’ll enjoy the creativity of this anonymous fan: http://www.juno-news.com/news/read/category/Strange/article/the_associated_press-3_little_pig_houses_removed_from_ohio_crash_site-ap
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Has anyone seen KarenO lately?
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Not since ten AM in the secret room
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Phos, most of us remember Lynn. I read tha article. She managed us most of the time from Starbucks. 😉
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If you remember Make it Man, he made a scepter from which Lynn ruled over us.
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I watched the news tonight. I also saw an article where a black man who is a gospel singer posted on the shooter’s Facebook page….that is if it is true…I read it on the internet. It was with forgiveness.
I see the president didn’t waste a moment, he went straight to gun control. Much to my chagrin they keep bringing up the 1963 Church Shooting in Birmingham. I can’t believe how many violent acts have been committed in places of worship. A place that should be open and still safe. So sad all the way around.
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http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150618/PC16/150619373
I am sure that by Sunday more churches will have joined in and will be ringing their bells at 10am. Sunday
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Walked the dogs tonight, the first time in several days due to the weekend stomach flu and then getting home from work especially late every night this week since.
Good for the soul and body. And the dogs were beyond pleased. 🙂 We all needed that.
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Lynn has likely forgotten all about us. But I’ll bet she still has the scepter.
🙂
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