Good morning.
I need coffee.
Quote of the Day
“Credit is a system whereby a person who can not pay gets another person who can not pay to guarantee that he can pay.”
Charles Dickens
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Mmmmm…….
Coffee.
🙂
That’s much better.
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Good Morning everyone. Can you believe NEXT Thursday is Thanksgiving? And then we all know what comes next. Are you ready? What are you doing to get ready?
I am making my spinach/artichoke casserole, yams with praline topping, cornbread dressing, and cranberry stuff next week. The festivities will begin on Tuesday with a Keller Williams Thanksgiving Feast. (The team leader is from Louisiana and boy can SHE COOK!–She is who told me how to do my first solo turkey. I baked in in a cooking bag and when I started to take the turkey out of the bag all the meat stayed in the bag and the carcass came out)
Thursday we will spend with Steve and Debbie and their family. I figgered it would be a little awkward for Mr. P if I dragged him to my ex- in-laws. 😉
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Kim,
So what time should we be there?
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Sounds yummy.
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Obamacare begins now:
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (AP) — Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center will lay off 76 employees this week and cut a total of 950 jobs by the end of next June, the center’s chief executive said Wednesday.
Dr. John McConnell said most of the cuts are administrative positions, but some faculty members could lose their jobs due to cuts in federal research funding. He also said 2012-13 revenue is being affected by “deep cuts in Medicare and Medicaid payments, which constitute nearly half of our health-care reimbursements.”
Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Wake-Forest-Baptist-Hospital-to-eliminate-950-jobs-4037841.php#ixzz2CIMLv8Gf
The Seattle source is because I Yahoo’d it. The article was in the Times-News
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What comes next for us is the big Collins family get together at our house. Like I said, it’s a family tradition that started in the fifties as a Christmas dinner for Elvera’s family.
We expect about 35. Elvera is thinking of things for me to do even now.
Jenn and Mary need to bring their new husbands. They won’t much like it. Like I felt when Elvera took me to meet a dozen people I didn’t know. But they need to meet these people.
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Good morning. We are going to my parents for Thanksgiving in the Texas Hill Country. All my siblings will be there, except my sister, of course, who is in Rwanda. It will be strange celebrating without her. I really miss her. They found a turkey yesterday, and are very excited about it! My kids have the whole week off from school!!!
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BG is going to share her winning personality with her Daddy most of next week. He is on vacation and I have to work. Just makes sense for her to spend Sunday through Wednesday with him.
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Kim: Artichokes? Really?
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Kim – For many people, the answer to the question of what comes next after Thanksgiving is Black Friday! No, I’m NOT one of those people.
Emily has to work that day, opening the store at 7 am, which means she has to be there at 6:30, which means she has to leave here at 5:45, which means I have to get up earlier than that so I can babysit Forrest.
When she told me about how early she has to leave that day, I jokingly asked, “Who are you going to get to babysit?” 🙂
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One pot of coffee down…second brewing 🙂
It is overcast here this AM and cold…I’m sleepy
Thanksgiving, we will venture over to my dear friend’s home…I’m taking sweet potato casserole…and a couple other dishes…it is the casserole everyone absolutely loves…an old recipe from a church lady in South Carolina…boy, they knew how to cook! We spent a couple of Thanksgivings with “church family” when we lived in Myrtle Beach….happy, blessed memories 🙂
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Chas,
More ObamaCare fallout.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233221/Dennys-charge-5-Obamacare-surcharge-cut-employee-hours-deal-cost-legislation.html
“Florida based restaurant boss John Metz, who runs approximately 40 Denny’s and owns the Hurricane Grill & Wings franchise has decided to offset that by adding a five percent surcharge to customers’ bills and will reduce his employees’ hours.
With Obamacare due to be fully implemented in January 2014, Metz has justified his move by claiming it is ‘the only alternative. I’ve got to pass on the cost to the customer.'”
“The fast-food business owner is set to hold meetings at his restaurants in December where he will tell employees, ‘that because of Obamacare, we are going to be cutting front-of-the-house employees to under 30 hours, effective immediately.'”
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For 6 Arrows – Don’t be surprised if your teeth & gums are quite achy today (though, you may already expect this). I’ve had so much dental work done over the years (even though I take good care of them & floss), & I always am achy the next day.
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Karen, I feel for people having to work in retail on Black Friday. What a nightmare — although I realize some people are completely energized and thoroughly enjoy the shopping frenzy. But it’s gotta be hard for the poor store staffers having to deal with those frantic crowds.
More and more it seems like there are instances of long lines getting out of control once the store doors open. 😦
The Friday after Thanksgiving is a regular work day for us (though we’ll most likely be covering the big opening Christmas shopping day for a story; there’s usually one reporter who has to be out at some toy store by 5 a.m. to interview people … ).
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Karen, yes, I know what you mean about being achy the next day — sometimes that happens to me, sometimes not. My teeth don’t hurt today, but the lower right gum is still a little tender this morning, though not too bad. I’m surprised my jaws don’t ache; my appointment was at 8:50 yesterday morning, and I didn’t get out of there until a little after 11:00! (Of course, my mouth wasn’t open the whole time, fortunately! They do crowns the same day now, so you don’t have to come back for the permanent crown a couple weeks after getting a temporary placed, so some of the time I spent there yesterday was just waiting and chatting with the dental assistant — to the extent that’s possible with half your face numb!) 😉
Black Friday — 2nd Arrow has to work from 4:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Better her than me! Young people can handle that better, I think, than I could now at my age.
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Poor 2nd Arrow! Yikes. That’s a long day. But you’re right, when we’re young we can better handle things like that, especially considering how many hours that will be on her feet! And working with the public can be stressful all on it’s own.
But it probably means some extra money, which is the pay-off of course. Hope she gets the next day or two off, though.
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Yes, I’m pretty sure she does get the next two days off after that, Donna. I couldn’t believe, though, that she only gets one half-hour meal break that whole time. I’m guessing there must be at least one or two short breaks in there, too. Aren’t workers guaranteed one 10- or 15-minute break for every four hours worked? (Or something like that.)
“And working with the public can be stressful all on it’s own.” Yes, indeed! She has told quite a few stories about her experiences with customers over the time she’s been working. She’s good at letting things roll off her back, though, and rarely takes rudeness personally or gets irritated with obnoxious customers. She mostly just laughs it off that some people get so bent out of shape. 😉
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Good Morning, Y’all!
Thanks for all the b’day wishes…had a great day. The virtual cake was delicious…thanks!
Off to lunch…
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What do you think would happen to our family lives if everyone was cut to 29 hours a week of work? That means between a couple, assuming each has a job, their combined time at work would be 58 hours a week.
Would this mean families would have more time together? Kids would need to spend less time apart from their parents? Would life slow down, assuming families could live on two-part time salaries? Oh, but I guess they wouldn’t have health care benefits then, or would they?
I’ve been wondering about this the last couple days–if maybe this could be a blessing in disguise for some. Assuming, of course, people were paid a fair wage and able to survive on it.
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Not wanting to disrupt the conversation on the political thread, I’ll just put this here:
Ahem, AJ, something looks rather odd with that date on today’s News/Politics thread.
😛
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Michelle, it would be nice if the 30 hr work week would benefit families in the way you are thinking..but I really think that both parents will probably be working 2 jobs..there is no overtime at 30 hours and you would have to make up the difference somewhere.
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6 Arrows,
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Told ya’s I needed coffee.
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Michelle,
I see what you mean, but as RKessler said, most would need a second job then to make ends meet. Also, if you didn’t get a second one, and in this economy it wouldn’t be easy to find another, it would also be more stressful at home. Money shortages tend to lead to stress at home, especially between the parents. I think if most could live on less hours and money, they probably already would be doing so.
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And then there are the companies that don’t have actual employees for much of their work, but use independent operators (IOs). The company my husband is “with” now uses IOs. The IOs buy the route & the truck, & are responsible for their own insurance & such.
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AJ, yours truly may have to take up coffee drinking, as she has been known to do things like that too. 😉
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Daughter works as an ICU nurse. They are only allowed to work three twelve hour shifts per week, or some such thing. It is exhausting with long breaks between. Something about only employing part time. It does seem odd and dangerous.
On the other hand, son in the military works twelve hour shifts or more daily. That is the military. Hard on families, for sure.
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Ree, [I am responding to previous day’s comment]
It is fine for you to call me Steve. About half the people I know call me Steve; about half call me Stephen (my birth certificate name and the name my wife uses). As the old joke goes, “I don’t care what you call me; just don’t call me late for dinner.”
I have read the first chapter of Heretics. It’s filled with references to writers and thinkers I am not familiar with (or have forgotten if I once was familiar with them). There is no doubt that both Shaw and Chesterton (people I am familiar with) were both much more talented and intelligent than I am. If they did not succeed in convincing each other . . . well, there you go. Religious belief or lack of it does not seem to be a product of intelligence, knowledge, etc. On the other hand, somebody has to be incorrect on the matter.
I don’t regard Sails as speaking for you, or you as speaking for him or her. Although you seem to be very careful and modest in your goals in addressing me, I still regard proselytizing as a kind of salesmanship. Having been on both the selling side and the receiving side of sales presentations, I have observed (from both perspectives) that insulting people seldom produces successful results.
However, just having read Sails’ response, I appreciate the courtesy and good-humor of his response. We are all (well, maybe not me) becoming so nice and polite that WV may drive me away be being nice to me rather than by ignoring me.
Just imagine if all the Christians and other religious believers of the world became tolerant and nice to each other. When my wife and I were married almost 47 years ago in a Unitarian Universalist Church, the minister read from the Bible and from Khalil Gibran.
What struck me most vividly at the time (and sticks in my mind today) was:
You were born together, and together you shall be forevermore.
You shall be together when the white wings of death scatter your days.
Ay, you shall be together even in the silent memory of God.
But let there be spaces in your togetherness,
And let the winds of the heavens dance between you.
Love one another, but make not a bond of love:
Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.
Fill each other’s cup but drink not from one cup.
Give one another of your bread but eat not from the same loaf
Sing and dance together and be joyous, but let each one of you be alone,
Even as the strings of a lute are alone though they quiver with the same music.
Give your hearts, but not into each other’s keeping.
For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts.
And stand together yet not too near together:
For the pillars of the temple stand apart,
And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other’s shadow.
Of course, Gibran also said (though not quoted at our wedding)
I love you when you bow in your mosque, kneel in your temple, pray in your church. For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit.
With all due respect to Mr. Gibran, that last quote strikes me as kindly balderdash, though well meant.
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It is quite conceivable to me (although I consider it quite unlikely) that there are kinds of reality or knowledge that are not revealed by empirical science. A problem that seems fairly obvious to me, is that there are few (or no) persuasive ways of distinguishing among competing claims about these other kinds of reality.
As soon as people start talking to me about how many people believe, or how many people named or described in the Bible were found by archaeological research, or how the birth of Christ was predicted by previous people, we are back on empirical claims.
Such claims also raise the question: Why did God supposedly reveal Himself in Biblical times through miracles, etc. but not in contemporary times? This question leads us back to “faith.” My intent is simply to express my opinion and not to insult anybody, but “faith” translates in my mind to “wishful thinking.”
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Interesting questions, Michelle. Here are some of my thoughts:
What do you think would happen to our family lives if everyone was cut to 29 hours a week of work?
I haven’t earned an income for several years now, but a couple of years ago when my husband’s overtime was cut (he had been working approximately 50-55 hours per week at the time, I think), he was in shock and very down about it. So even though it meant more family time, he couldn’t enjoy it because of how abruptly the company changed things (employees were told on a Friday that there would be no more overtime effective the following Monday). If we had had more notice that those changes were coming, it maybe wouldn’t have been so hard to cope with. Unfortunately, it does seem that often these things are popped on people without much warning, and it’s hard to enjoy the extra time with family (assuming one doesn’t have to get supplementary income, which many do need) when one is reeling from the cut in hours.
Kids would need to spend less time apart from their parents?
For young children not yet in school or those who are homeschooled, maybe. For school-aged children who leave the home for their education, I don’t think it would make much difference unless schools also adjusted their schedules to be more consistent with parents’ typical work hours — and what is typical with the various shifts and days of the week that people work? Parents might have more time to shuttle their kids back and forth to their extra-curricular activities, but that’s not really family time, IMO.
Would life slow down, assuming families could live on two-part time salaries?
I think this would depend on a family’s priorities. It seems to me that many families pack their schedules so full of things involving going and doing things as individuals rather than going and doing as families, or staying home and enjoying some unstructured time as a family. Our culture, in general, appears uncomfortable with the concept of downtime, just quietly relishing some unplanned moments with family, instead of rushing to fill the open spaces in our schedules.
To the extent that families intentionally devote some of their extra non-working hours to quality and unhurried family time, I think fewer working hours (assuming, as you say, people could live on that wage) could indeed be a blessing in disguise.
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To show that I am reading Chesterton’s Heretics, I will quote and explain an obscure reference in a passage that struck me in reading Chapter 1. “Sixty years ago [written in 1905 or so] it was bad taste to be an avowed atheist. Then came the Bradlaughites, the last religious men, but they could not alter it. It is still bad taste to be an avowed atheist. But their agony has achieved just this – that now it is equally bad taste to be an avowed Christian. Emancipation has only locked the saint in the same tower of silence as the heresiarch. [person who originates or offers a heretical doctrine].” [page 3 of the edition I am reading]
Bradlaughhites refers to Charles Bradlaugh, an early atheist. He was an early advocate of birth control and after publishing a pamphlet on birth control he was convicted of obscenity and sentenced to prison, but the conviction was overturned on a technicality.
Later he was elected to Parliament, but refused to take a religious oath to take his seat. After considerable struggle over several years (including some prison time), he eventually was allowed to “affirm” his loyalty to the crown and seated in Parliament.
Apparently, there was quite a bit of disagreement and contention among the atheists (or “freethinkers” as they were often called) of the time. For example, many of the freethinkers were “socialists”; Bradlaugh was not. Perhaps he was an early incarnation (if I believed in such nonsense) of Christoph Hitchens. Also, he was not a pacifist. He enlisted in the army (“hoping to serve in India and make his fortune.”) Perhaps he was a atheist war monger. How any of this should inspire me to become a Christian escapes me, but I have only started reading the book and perhaps as it goes along, I will become more convinced. (Also, I find it impossible to believe that anybody at WV is the slightest bit interested in any of this or that anyone has read this far.)
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It is a fairly common (and not unreasonable comment) on WMB or WV that I would not read and participate in religious web sites unless I was “seeking or hungering for” (or similar) religious belief.
1. I don’t this it is true. 2. Since early childhood, examples of statements and positions that clearly seem not true to me have irritated me immensely. 3. Christians claim to have special dispensation and right or authority to decide issues of public concern (such as homosexual marriage) on the basis of their religious belief. How we decide anything is a difficult problem for thinking humans, but claims of knowing what God wants or intends just don’t cut it for me.
Also, I am obviously addicted to arguing with Christians. It would irritate my wife (and perhaps hurt some feelings) for me to argue with the Christians I personally know (whose political beliefs are mostly compatible with mine), WV seems like a safer and less likely to cause trouble place.
I also believe in being honest. I doubt that few of you are willing to admit that you are addicted to trying to convince people to be Christians. As far as I can say, you either say it is your duty to save people from going to Hell, or you say, only Christ can open people’s hearts. Still sounds like an addiction to me.
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Stephen,
I actually like that better than Steve. Of the 4 protracted discussion/debates I’ve engaged in online over the past 12 years or so, 3 (including you) were named Steve, and the other one, for all I know, could have been. I only knew him as Conan the Librarian. So Stephen is good for a change. I’ll go with that.
In regard to Heretics, I’m happy for you to read that, but it was only Orthodoxy that I was asking you to read. I did read Heretics myself for the first time just a few months ago, and I know what you mean about the obscure references. I wasn’t familiar with a lot of the people he talked about, either, but I was able to pick up on their philosophies well enough, I think, just from reading Chesterton. I don’t know how many, if any others on this blog or on WMB, have read Heretics, but a good many have definitely read Orthodoxy. I expect you’ll find that one easier, but if you’ve already read Heretics before you read Orthodoxy, I think you’ll get even more out of it than if you didn’t.
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D’Souza, op. cit. p. 202
“……the procedural objection to the political role played by evangelical Christians are a smokescreen. Indeed the whole liberal doctrine that seeks fairness and impartiality through ‘separation of church and state’ is a fraud. The real objection of the secularist is to marginalize traditional morality. In some respects, the Muslims are right – there is a war against Islam – but it is the secularists liberals who are waging it. In another respect, the Muslims are wrong; secularists don’t hate Islam, they hate traditional religion in general.’
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Ree,
For the record, I’ve read Heretics. But I probably have read more of Chesterton than anyone else on this blog. I have a full three feet of bookshelf space devoted to him, not counting biographies about him, though I haven’t read every bit of that yet. However, I’ve read Orthodoxy several times and Heretics only once.
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So, who is this Chesterton fellow?
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To Mumsee: A Catholic who wrote mysteries.
To Ree: I am kind of obsessive-compulsive (a trait I caught from 46 years of marriage to a OC woman), so when I check out a book that comes in two volumes, I naturally start with the first page of the first volume and plug ahead. And then when I come across an obscure reference and as we now live in the age of the “universal online free encyclopedia, I look up the reference, delighted to make the acquaintance of an atheist unknown to me from hundreds of years ago.
Perhaps when (and if) Jesus returns, he will announce himself on Google News. Probably melting every video screen in the world with his brightness and glory.
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well, then, it is a mystery to me why he needs to be read. But I trust that Ree and Sails have good reason he should.
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Chas, Thanks for the excerpts from the book. It is like reading the book again.
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Not too long ago, a man I don’t know who lives not far from us was driving on a nearby road and a tree fell on his car and killed his nine year old daughter (who was riding in the back seat). A few days later I was at the church volunteer group and people discussed it. Someone said something like “That’s terrible. Makes you wonder how God could let that happen.” Glen (a retired minister) said, “I don’t know. It’s hard to reconcile. It’s just as Jim says, ‘There are mysteries that we don’t understand when these terrible events happen. We just have to trust in God and that there are reasons for these tragedies.” [Jim is the current minister of the church.]
I don’t know how much comfort these clergymen provide to the victims of these “Acts of God.”
I am going to my tiny group of atheists in an hour or two. I just heard that two people scheduled to attend are not coming. One has an elderly mother (who must be in 80s or 90s as he is in his 60s) and she is not doing well. The other, probably the most enthusiastic member of the group just emailed that her son was mugged in downtown Seattle and is in the hospital. She is caring for her grandchildren.
As we are atheists we can’t offer to pray. (Not that it does the slightest bit of good as far as I can see, but Christians seem to think it helpful.) As I am the closest thing to a “minister” the group has, I have no words of consolation to offer, but I find it hard to believe that the words ministers offer are that much help either. Sometimes life is just awful.
Our trees are beautiful. Especially when they are not falling on us or burning up in forest fires. As my wife said as we approached home on the ferry after completing our transcontinental trip, “After looking at Canada and the United States all the way across and back, I still think this is the most beautiful place there is.”
But I’m sure where you are is beautiful also. As I said on a trip through Utah years ago, “I’m sure glad somebody wants to live here. It would be a shame if everyone wanted to move to Whidbey.” Though recently I was talking to a man planning to move from Whidbey to Oklahoma. He said, “They have just about the lowest real estate taxes there are in this country.” I guess that floats his boat on Lake Eufaula. If you live in Oklahoma I hope you love it and youdontfaula in.
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Mumsee,
G. K. Chesterton did write the Father Brown mysteries as well as some other mysteries, but it’s his apologetic works that Sails and I have been referring to. Cheryl is also a big fan of Chesterton. C.S. Lewis credits Chesterton’s The Everlasting Man as instrumental in his conversion from atheism to Christianity. One of Chesterton’s greatest strengths is his ability to deconstruct the modernist assumptions that undergird the secularist narrative. He was, indeed, Roman Catholic, and I obviously disagree with him on questions of church authority, ecclesiology, etc. But in regard to his defense of “mere Christianity” (to borrow C.S. Lewis’s terminology), he was a master.
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Sometimes life is just awful.
Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. If you’re the guy who got mugged, it would be awful. But good for the mugger that he was able to get some pleasure out of the event. Since there is no *actual* right or wrong, it’s nice when people can just get enjoyment out of life however they see fit.
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Ree, thanks, I will be looking into him. Currently enjoying those Schaeffer books.
Random, Mostly we believers are told to weep with those who weep, so offering platitudes is not really what we should be doing. Just coming along side, acknowledging the pain, and crying with them.
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Mumsee, Chesterton stemmed from a wealthy liberal Church of England family. He lived in the late nineteenth early twentieth century period. In college he majored in art at a time when Nietzschean nihilism was in vogue. He at first fell in with nihilism, though this caused him serious depression and loneliness. Eventually, he fell in with some orthodox COE ministers. That led him to a serious study of classic Christianity including Augustine, Aquinas, and Calvin. His favorite was Aquinas. He became a Roman Catholic.
He wrote several books explaining orthodox Christianity. His books, Orthodoxy, Heresy, and Everlasting Man have become classics and will likely be read for centuries to come. He, also, wrote a classic short biography of Aquinas and an interesting autobiography. He wrote with great verve and humor; I regard him as an even better Chritian writer than C.S. Lewis.
Of his many books, I would most recommend Orthodoxy, Everlasting Man, and the Aquinas bio.
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Mumsee, here are a couple of quotes from Chesterton from a list of “favorites” to give you a taste. One is fairly short, one a story that makes a point.
Excerpt 1: The revolt against vows has been carried in our day even to the extent of a revolt against the typical vow of marriage. It is most amusing to listen to the opponents of marriage on this subject. They appear to imagine that the ideal of constancy was a yoke mysteriously imposed on mankind by the devil, instead of being, as it is, a yoke consistently imposed by all lovers on themselves. They have invented a phrase, a phrase that is a black and white contradiction in two words—“free-love”—as if a lover ever had been, or ever could be, free. It is the nature of love to bind itself, and the institution of marriage merely paid the average man the compliment of taking him at his word. Modern sages offer to the lover, with an ill-flavoured grin, the largest liberties and the fullest irresponsibility; but they do not respect him as the old Church respected him; they do not write his oath upon the heavens, as the record of his highest moment.
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Excerpt 2: Suppose that a great commotion arises in the street about something, let us say a lamp-post, which many influential persons desire to pull down. A grey-clad monk, who is the spirit of the Middle Ages, is approached upon the matter, and begins to say, in the arid manner of the Schoolmen, “Let us first of all consider, my brethren, the value of Light. If Light be in itself good.”
At this point he is somewhat excusably knocked down. All the people make a rush for the lamp-post, the lamp-post is down in ten minutes, and they go about congratulating each other on their unmediaeval practicality. But as things go on they do not work out so easily. Some people have pulled the lamp-post down because they wanted the electric light; some because they wanted old iron; some because they wanted darkness, because their deeds were evil. Some thought it not enough of a lamp-post, some too much; some acted because they wanted to smash municipal machinery; some because they wanted to smash something. And there is war in the night, no man knowing whom he strikes.
So, gradually and inevitably, to-day, to-morrow, or the next day, there comes back the conviction that the monk was right after all, and that all depends on what is the philosophy of Light. Only what we might have discussed under the gas-lamp, we now must discuss in the dark.
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My own favorite Chesterton books are probably Orthodoxy, The Everlasting Man, and What’s Wrong with the World (though I’ve only read the last one once, so far; I marked it up heavily and then loaned it to a friend who never gave it back, so I need to reread and remark it!).
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Well, I will be getting some of those, thanks for the recommendations.
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Michelle,
My wife has pointed out several holes in my theory, as she’s known to do.
1. Being the obvious, if it’s what God wants, to bring families together for more time, and for parents to spend more time parenting, He will provide for us.
2. As bad as wage cuts and hours are, there are obvious non-necessities we could do without. Trimming could be done. Some of it would be painful, but most of us, myself for sure, have too much stuff. Too many toys and gadgets.
3. We already did a similar thing when we were forced to live on 1 income. One of the things we cut was private school tuition. We didn’t want to, but had no choice. But her education is important to us, and a cyber/charter school at home was the perfect choice. It allows me a unique opportunity to spend good quality time with my daughter and to be personally involved in her education. If it wasn’t for the disabilities, and loss of hours and income, I’d have missed it all. We’ve made it work, and it’s been one of the most rewarding experiences of my life.
So I guess I’ve already proven your point huh?
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She’s found more holes in my theory, but I stopped listening.
😯
🙂
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I just noticed, Cheryl, that you had already responded about your Chesterton library before I responded to Mumsee telling her that you’re a Chesterton fan. I’m not surprised that you’ve read so much of him, including Heretics, but in response to Stephen (Random,) I just didn’t know whether you, or anyone, had or not. But I knew that you were a Chesterton fan.
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