I see Debra was channeling her inner AOC last night with calls to abolish ICE because of a couple of mistakes, one during a riot.
But that’s not how this works.
Do we abolish police, doctors, nurses, politicians, and hospitals because some individual made an error that inconvenienced someone?
Seriously, do we abolish police when one goes rogue and beats a suspect? No.
No, we don’t, and ya’ll know that.
I mean talk about tossing the baby with the bath water…..
Just stop with that nonsense. When dealing with 15 million criminals, and they are, some mistakes and errors in judgement will occur. But that’s also on the criminal who shouldn’t be here as well as the officer doing wrong..
“Sorry to say, my Liberal friends, but when Donald Trump’s air force has to rescue us over a major Canadian city, because our own Air Force doesn’t really work, that’s about as 51st state-ish as it gets.”
“A sitting U.S. Congressman doxxed a federal ICE agent mid-raid — moments later, that agent was bleeding in the street.
Salud Carbajal handed the agent’s info to a violent mob. DHS confirms shots were fired. Over 500 agitators, many tied to Soros orgs, were bussed in ahead of time. This wasn’t a protest. It was a planned attack.
The raid targeted Glass House Brands — a front flagged by Mil Intel for cartel ties, fentanyl, human trafficking, and foreign money laundering.
One of the men arrested? An illegal and convicted child predator.
The Congressman chose to shield them.
Why did Carbajal have an ICE agent’s ID in his pocket?
Why did he hand it to the mob?
Because this was a Deep State counterstrike.
Trump’s 2025 EOs are dismantling their trafficking routes — and they’re panicking.
This isn’t about weed.
This is about synthetic drug ops, child trafficking, and foreign cash pipelines hiding under “legit” brands and nonprofits.Carbajal wasn’t there to observe.
If y’all are ok with your husband or wife or daughter or mother or father disappearing for days without knowing about their welfare simply because they’re at the wrong place at the wrong time, then I feel sorry for your family. I’m not ok with that ever. And you should remember that there are real dangers that come with selling your 4th amendment rights for expediency. I imagine Esau thought it a good idea to sell his birthright for a pot of stew, and look how that turned out for him: he couldn’t undo the damage though he sought it with tears.
“Portland, Ore. — Federal police officers enraged anti-ICE agitators after using a Donald Trump impersonation voice to issue official orders to vacate ICE facility property.”
“Another huge win for American energy dominance has just occurred.
…..Italy agrees to purchase $15 BILLION in USA natural gas following Trump’s tariff threats.
This makes Italy more reliant on the US instead of RUSSIA for energy across 20 YEARS.
A ridiculous amount of winning is occurring right now.
Increasing Europe’s reliance on buying up American energy was a high priority for President Trump.
The deal occurred right after Italy Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni met with Trump at the White House, AND after Trump set his tariff deadline for the EU.”
If said relative was working at a weed farm with child slave labor and hundreds of illegal aliens, I would just figure his stupid decisions finally caught up with him.
Also, they have TV there, they know what happened to him. He got caught up in a legitimate police action. Actions, consequences.
“Import prices just came in WAAAY below expectations: June was up just 0.1% M/M, -0.2% Y/Y, while May saw a huge downward revision from flat to -0.4% M/M; still waiting for tariffs to be passed on by foreign producers…”
The WSJ insists reshoring won’t ever happen, yet here we are with even more. Car plants were just the first, then AI and chip manufacturing. Now drugs.
This is happening whether Dems, NTers, and the WSJ globalists like it or not.
Given that our local pharmacies can’t seem to keep regular meds in stock–not to mention fill prescriptions from people needing meds on their way home from the ER, I don’t understand how anyone in their right mind thought getting drugs from China was a good idea.
“Every illegal alien has broken federal immigration law and violated our Nation’s sovereignty. But those who commit additional crimes on American soil are especially dangerous to our Nation’s safety and security. Deporting them is @POTUS’s highest priority.
Today, @AGPamBondi sent letters to several California sheriffs—including Sheriff Robert Luna of Los Angeles County, the most populous county in America—requesting lists of all inmates in their county jails who are not citizens of the United States, their crimes of arrest or conviction, and their scheduled release dates.
It’s time for California’s county sheriffs to fulfill their oath of office and keep the citizens of their counties safe and secure.”
Debra if I knew a loved one or friend was security for such a place as was this fella I would be having a thing or two to say to that person. Do you honestly believe he didn’t know the risk? He didn’t see illegal invaders entering along with children? Now he is a “victim”? Not in my estimation…
NJ, Every time we give away one of our amendment rights because we think the person deserves what he’s getting, that is one of our protections that’s weakened. Do you value your protected speech and worship? I do. That’s why we should defend those amendments while it’s possible to defend them simple with words.
I’m not familiar with the specific case being discussed but there have been enough issues with due process that one example is no longer the issue. People have been held in detention for weeks without hearings — some were citizens, others were in the US by legal means. Its not enough to apologise and continue with the same behaviour, something has to give.
Due process is a basic democratic right that all democratic countries have in some form or other. Without this, countries slide into authoritarianism or rule by law not rule of law.
Abolishing ICE is one solution. I’m old enough to remember the rallying cry of the right “Abolish the ATF”. Even after the OKC bombing, the NRA and other groups pressed to abolish the ATF. ICE and the ATF are both gov’t paramilitary organizations. And now the roles are reversed, its the left calling for the abolition of a para military force. At least Debra is consistent. As a foreign observer, I always found it strange that the US had separate para military organizations — ATF, ICE, Border Patrol and even the FDA. Here the RCMP does all of that.
Even if you don’t abolish ICE, it needs serious reforms. Any time a gov’t organization loses the support of more than 50% of the population, it needs to change to regain its credibility. Without support, it won’t be successful.
It needs to be a professional force. It quickly expanded and is still expanding and its obvious quantity has been a greater concern than quality. At the very least, they need to know what is due process and how to follow it. Use of force rules need to be understood and followed. And it needs to look professional — without a basic uniform, employee number, etc they simply look like street thugs. If it can’t changed — abolish it and delegate its authority to other police groups that do follow rule of law.
So the Trump admin fired Comey’s daughter….. was she incompetent or was it because of her father? If the latter, I can see an unfair dismissal law suit.
However, M Comey was also involved in the prosecution of Epstein, Maxwell and P. Diddy. I know Trump has been telling people to stop talking about Epstein but this isn’t helping.
From what I’ve read part of shutting down USAID involves the destruction of 500 metric tons of emergency food. It will cost the admin $130,000 to destroy it. I’m sure countless charities can put this to better use.
NORAD allows the US to set up early warning sites from Alaska to Greenland. This enables them to track submarines, surface ships and airplanes prior to any threat to the US. In exchange, we get the occasional assist. Personally I think we should charge the US armed forces rent. The US armed forces have a habit of leaving their foreign bases without cleaning up. Greenland is still cleaning up the toxic mess the US left behind when they shut down some of their bases.
Not sure why people don’t understand basic trade. Italy does not buy from the US (that would actually be somewhat communist). Instead Italian companies buy from US companies or in many cases one multi-national buys from an other multinational. Gov’t agreements simply mean they will facilitate the use of infrastructure, streamline purchase agreements, lower the import tax, etc. It doesn’t mean the importation will actually happen.
CBP has a self deport app — they might want to make it available in ICE detention centers. An on-going issue of European and Canadian held by ICE is ICE not listening to these detainees — almost all have the funds or credit card to buy a ticket home yet they stay in detention for weeks if not months. The latest I read was an Irish guy who spent a few months in both ICE detention and then in a regular prison because ICE was full. Guards in the federal prison were confused about why he was there. Eventually, they brought him to the airport and he bought a ticket home. A Canadian girl spent a few weeks in detention and then was released — she was told they released her when they realised she offered to buy a ticket home; something she said four weeks prior. Again, the incompetence and unprofessionalism — imagine if they held a hearing right away.
Hmmm, kind of like walking through the broken door of the capitol with a rowdy bunch of “mostly peaceful” protesters just to stand in the rotunda? Just being there? OK, have it your way. I hope and pray that you all are never the recipients of the kind of justice you are applauding. Seriously.
And now, I will retire, with appropriate aplomb, to my quiet place of solomn rectitude where I can “channel” my “inner AOC” in peace.
PS Thank you for your attention to this matter.
:–)
Inflation — wow, talk about lowering the bar. Core inflation is 2.7% a slight tick upward. Yet some observers want to claim “no tariff inflation” as if you can separate it. The stats to figure out general inflation are bad enough, I can’t see how they can isolate tariff inflation. It appears they are talking about tariffs on finished products exported to the US by foreign companies — but this misses all the tariffs and prices placed on raw materials. Again looking at the auto industry, prices are going up because raw material cost — copper, steel, etc — are going up due to tariffs. (Sue some of it is companies exploiting the tariff uncertainty to raise prices – but prices are going up either way)
The problem with drug cost is distribution not production. Added to that the ridiculous level of patent protection in the US and you have the issues not China. China is no the reason why you are paying hundreds more than Canada or the EU. And tariffs will not change this; in fact it will probably raise the prices. Tariffs have their place but protecting US pharma companies is probably one of the worst uses of tariffs.
Most of the new plant announcements were re-annoucements of Biden era new construction. New factories take years to get off the crowd and require various levels of cooperation between companies, governments and banks. Any new announcements right are preliminary and may not even happen.
Oh and this is the actual text of the 4th amendment emphasis add:
The right of the people to be secure in their PERSONS, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
For those who are okay with the security guard being held for three days without being arrested or charged, because he is a criminal, would you be okay if it were an innocent person in the same situation? Someone in the wrong place at the wrong time?
BTW, he is an alleged criminal. We still believe in innocent until proven guilty, don’t we? That is one important reason for the rights we are supposed to have.
“Hmmm, kind of like walking through the broken door of the capitol with a rowdy bunch of “mostly peaceful” protesters just to stand in the rotunda? Just being there? OK, have it your way. I hope and pray that you all are never the recipients of the kind of justice you are applauding. Seriously.”
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Those who committed crimes were charged, as appropriate.
But then they went too far.
They were punished severely, and had their rights further violated by federal enhancement charges to petty crimes.
But I didn’t hear a peep from most Rs, ya’ll had nothing to say then, so forgive me if I don’t shed alligator tears for criminal illegals.
I’m truly astonished at what some avowed believers (who claim to be at least somewhat “conservative” and understand human values and Scripture, who read their Bibles) can’t see happening around us these days in America.
Hmmm, kind of like walking through the broken door of the capitol with a rowdy bunch of “mostly peaceful” protesters just to stand in the rotunda? Just being there? OK, have it your way. I hope and pray that you all are never the recipients of the kind of justice you are applauding. Seriously.
Seriously indeed! Remember your fella was released in THREE DAYS!!! Those at the capital were in insufferable conditions in JAIL for YEARS!!! And say what you will but they were political prisoners. Apples and oranges
Paul: is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen? Romans: Say what? Are you a citizen? No!!!
People have been erroneously picked up by law enforcement forever. There is usually an attempt to right the error as quickly as possible.
In that case, his word was taken as truth because someone impersonating Roman citizenship was in deep trouble if discovered.
In our situation, people lie with ease and produce all manner of false documentation. It makes it more challenging.
Am I happy with it? Of course not! But the only other option at this time is to go back to letting everyone run loose. With all the sanctuary cities, uncooperative judges and prosecutors and law enforcement and citizens, there is no way to isolate the targets.
Sort of like Israel trying to stop Hamas hiding under hospitals without collateral damage.
I would prefer no Palestinian children were killed or maimed. I would prefer no innocents were swept up. Until we come up with a better plan, we either continue or leave everybody free to do whatever.
The reason for the Innocence Project is because we are humans and make serious mistakes, intentional and not.
Everyday our local paper has a picture and story on a newly incarcerated individual, generally found with drug paraphernalia but not always. And every time they point out that the individual is innocent until proven guilty. But they still go to jail.
It kind of astounds me that otherwise conservative people are okay with the fact of the security guy being held for three days without any charges against him, because of the guy’s apparent guilt. But the fact that someone appears to be guilty is not the measure we use in how we treat the person and his or her rights.
I guess, because we see such disarray and reams of paperwork every day for our children we are trying to help, I have no trouble seeing the system as broken. I would like to see it fixed but we are currently in a huge mess. Pray for our country.
But yes, if my short term incarceration, or even lifelong, would help them get a murderer before they murder, I am ok with that. Do I want to be swept up like that? No.
Mumsee, it’s admirable that you would choose to sacrifice your rights and even your freedom to save another. But you have no right to sacrifice someone else’s rights for any reason. I think those amendments are God’s blessings to us, to protect us from governmental overreach and dictatorships. If we refuse to maintain those protections by respecting them, we’ll lose them.
So we just let people continue to abuse children? I don’t think an of us want that.
our system is broken and overwhelmed. We cannot just wave a magic wand and make it right. We have to take serious measures to turn things around. What workable solution do you offer?
Wandering Views 
I see Debra was channeling her inner AOC last night with calls to abolish ICE because of a couple of mistakes, one during a riot.
But that’s not how this works.
Do we abolish police, doctors, nurses, politicians, and hospitals because some individual made an error that inconvenienced someone?
Seriously, do we abolish police when one goes rogue and beats a suspect? No.
No, we don’t, and ya’ll know that.
I mean talk about tossing the baby with the bath water…..
Just stop with that nonsense. When dealing with 15 million criminals, and they are, some mistakes and errors in judgement will occur. But that’s also on the criminal who shouldn’t be here as well as the officer doing wrong..
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About time.
https://x.com/GuntherEagleman/status/1945616106187542810?t=8jtzQjdIbDnPlAKURjLl7g&s=19
“Pam Bondi fires Maurene Comey from her job as top DOJ Manhattan prosecutor, the daughter of James Comey.”
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You’re welcome Canada.
https://x.com/ezralevant/status/1945659662918918306?t=nB8R_J5RjD98T-cJ2OtqVA&s=19
“Sorry to say, my Liberal friends, but when Donald Trump’s air force has to rescue us over a major Canadian city, because our own Air Force doesn’t really work, that’s about as 51st state-ish as it gets.”
https://x.com/CTVNews/status/1945596910326194565?t=rIY2hCG6VW3w90xKyyw6gQ&s=19
“U.S. fighter jets scrambled to Vancouver airport during alleged hijacking: Norad”
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Just think, some consider ICE the bad guy here.
https://x.com/17QStorm/status/1945815353474293779?t=fmGeWTvNArP-A6bM7Shpag&s=19
“A sitting U.S. Congressman doxxed a federal ICE agent mid-raid — moments later, that agent was bleeding in the street.
Salud Carbajal handed the agent’s info to a violent mob. DHS confirms shots were fired. Over 500 agitators, many tied to Soros orgs, were bussed in ahead of time. This wasn’t a protest. It was a planned attack.
The raid targeted Glass House Brands — a front flagged by Mil Intel for cartel ties, fentanyl, human trafficking, and foreign money laundering.
One of the men arrested? An illegal and convicted child predator.
The Congressman chose to shield them.
Why did Carbajal have an ICE agent’s ID in his pocket?
Why did he hand it to the mob?
Because this was a Deep State counterstrike.
Trump’s 2025 EOs are dismantling their trafficking routes — and they’re panicking.
This isn’t about weed.
This is about synthetic drug ops, child trafficking, and foreign cash pipelines hiding under “legit” brands and nonprofits.Carbajal wasn’t there to observe.
He was there to protect the network.
He should be in GITMO.
Not Congress.”
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Yes, I voted for this.
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1945821685589958946?t=v0275xqUlHS3QrzXVgJzVg&s=19
“PBS, NPR, USAID have all been Officially Defunded by the House and Senate.
Thank you President Trump, Congressional Republicans and DOGE”
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Opinions vary I guess.
https://x.com/KurtSchlichter/status/1945840398514966560?t=SdCh_ErpwTocvAWNGAP9zw&s=19
“He’s disabled and working security. Oh yeah, the security he’s working is for a weed farm full of illegal aliens and children.
He’s a piece of trash.”
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Are you really going to buy the story that the vet was the victim here, and not the trafficked children he helped oversee?
He worked on a farm with essentially child slave labor, numerous illegals, and yet he’s cast as a fine, upstanding vet.
Well I call BS.
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If y’all are ok with your husband or wife or daughter or mother or father disappearing for days without knowing about their welfare simply because they’re at the wrong place at the wrong time, then I feel sorry for your family. I’m not ok with that ever. And you should remember that there are real dangers that come with selling your 4th amendment rights for expediency. I imagine Esau thought it a good idea to sell his birthright for a pot of stew, and look how that turned out for him: he couldn’t undo the damage though he sought it with tears.
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Soooo sensitive. 🤣
https://x.com/KatieDaviscourt/status/1945566535902490946?t=EJhJvdLZLvwR1rPXuhAheQ&s=19
“Portland, Ore. — Federal police officers enraged anti-ICE agitators after using a Donald Trump impersonation voice to issue official orders to vacate ICE facility property.”
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More winning. You’re welcome.
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1945550715318935984?t=ue-koDjW1lsXhFFy_OhJHQ&s=19
“Another huge win for American energy dominance has just occurred.
…..Italy agrees to purchase $15 BILLION in USA natural gas following Trump’s tariff threats.
This makes Italy more reliant on the US instead of RUSSIA for energy across 20 YEARS.
A ridiculous amount of winning is occurring right now.
Increasing Europe’s reliance on buying up American energy was a high priority for President Trump.
The deal occurred right after Italy Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni met with Trump at the White House, AND after Trump set his tariff deadline for the EU.”
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Well let’s see Debra….
If said relative was working at a weed farm with child slave labor and hundreds of illegal aliens, I would just figure his stupid decisions finally caught up with him.
Also, they have TV there, they know what happened to him. He got caught up in a legitimate police action. Actions, consequences.
Aj
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“Illegal aliens, take a page from E.T. and PHONE HOME.
If you are here illegally, leave NOW— the easy way— using the CBP Home App.
You will receive travel assistance and a stipend to return to your home country.”
https://x.com/DHSgov/status/1945606217637732821?t=-_I2BgWO2o8qUI2NHXDzvA&s=19
Illegals can just leave, we’ll even help, and then they won’t have any problem with ICE.
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“Man Who Vowed To Release Epstein Files Berates Idiots For Believing There Are Epstein Files”
https://x.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1945552194310119777?t=MPIw7sc9VWn1fNKS_JGeJg&s=19
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Paul Sperry shows that real investigative journalism is alive and well, if you look in the right place.
https://x.com/MZHemingway/status/1945628677607161876?t=_wqxX6EBRhm0ZWi9TrTqAw&s=19
“EXCLUSIVE: Secret Meeting Opens Document Floodgates on Trump/Russia Hoax”
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https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2025/07/16/exclusive_secret_meeting_opens_document_floodgates_on_trumprussia_hoax_1123108.html
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This is the way you deal with lying congresspeople, on the record.
https://x.com/RepEliCrane/status/1945612824459333799?t=fV0a5kB5dJslicsbm8dwRA&s=19
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Following ICE raids has not been on my radar but from what has been said on here the last couple of days, I agree with 10:25.
mumsee
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Correct!
Because just being here is a crime. Time doesn’t change that.
https://x.com/DC_Draino/status/1945819456774529230?t=39aYr-hwfDQa4HH7Xhd2Sg&s=19
“We do not reward people for avoiding law enforcement for 5 years
We deport them
Nobody is above the law Maria”
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But… but…..
Muh narrative…..
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“4 months in and zero tariff inflation”
https://x.com/profstonge/status/1945832708581597554?t=rK7E971RkP7AINI8zedchw&s=19
“Import prices just came in WAAAY below expectations: June was up just 0.1% M/M, -0.2% Y/Y, while May saw a huge downward revision from flat to -0.4% M/M; still waiting for tariffs to be passed on by foreign producers…”
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Relying on a foreign enemy for drug manufaturing, and they are an enemy, is putting national security at risk.
That ends now. And again, you’re welcome.
https://x.com/RodDMartin/status/1945511784770613462?t=9e8m5dj3hneC35uZwz9irg&s=19
“Trump just announced pharma tariffs to END our deadly dependence on Chinese prescription drugs.
80% of U.S. drug precursors come from China. How did past administrations allow that?
Trump’s goal? Bring our medicine supply home—or pay a 200% price.
Here’s what’s coming. 🧵”
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“2/ This is the biggest reshoring push since Trump saved U.S. Steel.
Starting later this month, tariffs will hit foreign-made pharmaceuticals.
A low tariff at first.A 200% tariff later.
Message to Big Pharma: manufacture in America—or pay up.”
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“4/ 💊 The numbers are staggering:
– 80% of all APIs are imported
– 95% of ibuprofen
– 91% of hydrocortisone
– 70% of acetaminophen
– 45% of penicillinThat’s just a start.
All from China.
This isn’t just about trade—it’s about survival in the next crisis.”
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The WSJ insists reshoring won’t ever happen, yet here we are with even more. Car plants were just the first, then AI and chip manufacturing. Now drugs.
This is happening whether Dems, NTers, and the WSJ globalists like it or not.
https://x.com/RodDMartin/status/1945515174292553761?t=H8b7qNx4JvJTYZP1zEC_tg&s=19
“6/ The result?
💥 Massive investments already rolling in:
– Eli Lilly: $27B for 4 U.S. plants
– J&J: $55B in new U.S. projects
– Novartis: $23B
– Roche: $50B
– Merck: $1B in Delaware
Trump’s tariff threat is WORKING.”
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Thanks Canada!
https://x.com/Tablesalt13/status/1945825079641673868?t=1kNHHbkmWQjXI5VmeWtdxA&s=19
“BREAKING – INVESTORS CONTINUE TO FLEE CANADA –
Both Canadian and International investors continue to move their money out of Canada
with almost 100 billion dollars having left Canada since Feb…..
90% of the money is moving to the USA.”
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Given that our local pharmacies can’t seem to keep regular meds in stock–not to mention fill prescriptions from people needing meds on their way home from the ER, I don’t understand how anyone in their right mind thought getting drugs from China was a good idea.
Is there any security in that?
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“Every illegal alien has broken federal immigration law and violated our Nation’s sovereignty. But those who commit additional crimes on American soil are especially dangerous to our Nation’s safety and security. Deporting them is @POTUS’s highest priority.
Today, @AGPamBondi sent letters to several California sheriffs—including Sheriff Robert Luna of Los Angeles County, the most populous county in America—requesting lists of all inmates in their county jails who are not citizens of the United States, their crimes of arrest or conviction, and their scheduled release dates.
It’s time for California’s county sheriffs to fulfill their oath of office and keep the citizens of their counties safe and secure.”
https://x.com/ChadMizelle47/status/1945868097212064177?t=B6EoOUd53XsmmcLSazbsKw&s=19
Dems and some others insist Trump not go after folks who don’t get in additional trouble.
So these are OK, and they’ll cooperate with ICE, right……
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Debra if I knew a loved one or friend was security for such a place as was this fella I would be having a thing or two to say to that person. Do you honestly believe he didn’t know the risk? He didn’t see illegal invaders entering along with children? Now he is a “victim”? Not in my estimation…
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NJ, Every time we give away one of our amendment rights because we think the person deserves what he’s getting, that is one of our protections that’s weakened. Do you value your protected speech and worship? I do. That’s why we should defend those amendments while it’s possible to defend them simple with words.
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He’s funny, in a Chicken Little kinda way…… 🐤
https://x.com/BreitbartNews/status/1945543598239273195?t=9WxHerBYBd8nLJQ9sLuqBA&s=19
“Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR): “The estimated death total from Trump’s policies is now estimated to be in the multiple millions.”
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Fourth Ammendment is talking about unreasonable search and seizure.
from you all’s description of the event, his detention was not unreasonable.
mumsee
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I’m not familiar with the specific case being discussed but there have been enough issues with due process that one example is no longer the issue. People have been held in detention for weeks without hearings — some were citizens, others were in the US by legal means. Its not enough to apologise and continue with the same behaviour, something has to give.
Due process is a basic democratic right that all democratic countries have in some form or other. Without this, countries slide into authoritarianism or rule by law not rule of law.
Abolishing ICE is one solution. I’m old enough to remember the rallying cry of the right “Abolish the ATF”. Even after the OKC bombing, the NRA and other groups pressed to abolish the ATF. ICE and the ATF are both gov’t paramilitary organizations. And now the roles are reversed, its the left calling for the abolition of a para military force. At least Debra is consistent. As a foreign observer, I always found it strange that the US had separate para military organizations — ATF, ICE, Border Patrol and even the FDA. Here the RCMP does all of that.
Even if you don’t abolish ICE, it needs serious reforms. Any time a gov’t organization loses the support of more than 50% of the population, it needs to change to regain its credibility. Without support, it won’t be successful.
It needs to be a professional force. It quickly expanded and is still expanding and its obvious quantity has been a greater concern than quality. At the very least, they need to know what is due process and how to follow it. Use of force rules need to be understood and followed. And it needs to look professional — without a basic uniform, employee number, etc they simply look like street thugs. If it can’t changed — abolish it and delegate its authority to other police groups that do follow rule of law.
hrw
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So the Trump admin fired Comey’s daughter….. was she incompetent or was it because of her father? If the latter, I can see an unfair dismissal law suit.
However, M Comey was also involved in the prosecution of Epstein, Maxwell and P. Diddy. I know Trump has been telling people to stop talking about Epstein but this isn’t helping.
hrw
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A good way to stir up people to talk about something is to tell them not to talk about it. 😀
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From what I’ve read part of shutting down USAID involves the destruction of 500 metric tons of emergency food. It will cost the admin $130,000 to destroy it. I’m sure countless charities can put this to better use.
NORAD allows the US to set up early warning sites from Alaska to Greenland. This enables them to track submarines, surface ships and airplanes prior to any threat to the US. In exchange, we get the occasional assist. Personally I think we should charge the US armed forces rent. The US armed forces have a habit of leaving their foreign bases without cleaning up. Greenland is still cleaning up the toxic mess the US left behind when they shut down some of their bases.
Not sure why people don’t understand basic trade. Italy does not buy from the US (that would actually be somewhat communist). Instead Italian companies buy from US companies or in many cases one multi-national buys from an other multinational. Gov’t agreements simply mean they will facilitate the use of infrastructure, streamline purchase agreements, lower the import tax, etc. It doesn’t mean the importation will actually happen.
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CBP has a self deport app — they might want to make it available in ICE detention centers. An on-going issue of European and Canadian held by ICE is ICE not listening to these detainees — almost all have the funds or credit card to buy a ticket home yet they stay in detention for weeks if not months. The latest I read was an Irish guy who spent a few months in both ICE detention and then in a regular prison because ICE was full. Guards in the federal prison were confused about why he was there. Eventually, they brought him to the airport and he bought a ticket home. A Canadian girl spent a few weeks in detention and then was released — she was told they released her when they realised she offered to buy a ticket home; something she said four weeks prior. Again, the incompetence and unprofessionalism — imagine if they held a hearing right away.
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“Because just being here is a crime.”
Hmmm, kind of like walking through the broken door of the capitol with a rowdy bunch of “mostly peaceful” protesters just to stand in the rotunda? Just being there? OK, have it your way. I hope and pray that you all are never the recipients of the kind of justice you are applauding. Seriously.
And now, I will retire, with appropriate aplomb, to my quiet place of solomn rectitude where I can “channel” my “inner AOC” in peace.
PS Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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Inflation — wow, talk about lowering the bar. Core inflation is 2.7% a slight tick upward. Yet some observers want to claim “no tariff inflation” as if you can separate it. The stats to figure out general inflation are bad enough, I can’t see how they can isolate tariff inflation. It appears they are talking about tariffs on finished products exported to the US by foreign companies — but this misses all the tariffs and prices placed on raw materials. Again looking at the auto industry, prices are going up because raw material cost — copper, steel, etc — are going up due to tariffs. (Sue some of it is companies exploiting the tariff uncertainty to raise prices – but prices are going up either way)
The problem with drug cost is distribution not production. Added to that the ridiculous level of patent protection in the US and you have the issues not China. China is no the reason why you are paying hundreds more than Canada or the EU. And tariffs will not change this; in fact it will probably raise the prices. Tariffs have their place but protecting US pharma companies is probably one of the worst uses of tariffs.
Most of the new plant announcements were re-annoucements of Biden era new construction. New factories take years to get off the crowd and require various levels of cooperation between companies, governments and banks. Any new announcements right are preliminary and may not even happen.
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Oh and this is the actual text of the 4th amendment emphasis add:
The right of the people to be secure in their PERSONS, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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For those who are okay with the security guard being held for three days without being arrested or charged, because he is a criminal, would you be okay if it were an innocent person in the same situation? Someone in the wrong place at the wrong time?
BTW, he is an alleged criminal. We still believe in innocent until proven guilty, don’t we? That is one important reason for the rights we are supposed to have.
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“Hmmm, kind of like walking through the broken door of the capitol with a rowdy bunch of “mostly peaceful” protesters just to stand in the rotunda? Just being there? OK, have it your way. I hope and pray that you all are never the recipients of the kind of justice you are applauding. Seriously.”
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Those who committed crimes were charged, as appropriate.
But then they went too far.
They were punished severely, and had their rights further violated by federal enhancement charges to petty crimes.
But I didn’t hear a peep from most Rs, ya’ll had nothing to say then, so forgive me if I don’t shed alligator tears for criminal illegals.
Spare me.
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Debra @ 3:19.
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I’m truly astonished at what some avowed believers (who claim to be at least somewhat “conservative” and understand human values and Scripture, who read their Bibles) can’t see happening around us these days in America.
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Hmmm, kind of like walking through the broken door of the capitol with a rowdy bunch of “mostly peaceful” protesters just to stand in the rotunda? Just being there? OK, have it your way. I hope and pray that you all are never the recipients of the kind of justice you are applauding. Seriously.
Seriously indeed! Remember your fella was released in THREE DAYS!!! Those at the capital were in insufferable conditions in JAIL for YEARS!!! And say what you will but they were political prisoners. Apples and oranges
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Boy howdy me too!!’
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Founding Fathers.
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This is not that hard to see clearly.
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Paul: is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen?
Romans: Say what? Are you a citizen? No!!!
People have been erroneously picked up by law enforcement forever. There is usually an attempt to right the error as quickly as possible.
In that case, his word was taken as truth because someone impersonating Roman citizenship was in deep trouble if discovered.
In our situation, people lie with ease and produce all manner of false documentation. It makes it more challenging.
Am I happy with it? Of course not! But the only other option at this time is to go back to letting everyone run loose. With all the sanctuary cities, uncooperative judges and prosecutors and law enforcement and citizens, there is no way to isolate the targets.
Sort of like Israel trying to stop Hamas hiding under hospitals without collateral damage.
I would prefer no Palestinian children were killed or maimed. I would prefer no innocents were swept up. Until we come up with a better plan, we either continue or leave everybody free to do whatever.
The reason for the Innocence Project is because we are humans and make serious mistakes, intentional and not.
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Kizzie, yes.
Everyday our local paper has a picture and story on a newly incarcerated individual, generally found with drug paraphernalia but not always. And every time they point out that the individual is innocent until proven guilty. But they still go to jail.
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It kind of astounds me that otherwise conservative people are okay with the fact of the security guy being held for three days without any charges against him, because of the guy’s apparent guilt. But the fact that someone appears to be guilty is not the measure we use in how we treat the person and his or her rights.
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Mumsee – Yes, they still go to jail, but they are charged with a crime.
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I guess, because we see such disarray and reams of paperwork every day for our children we are trying to help, I have no trouble seeing the system as broken. I would like to see it fixed but we are currently in a huge mess. Pray for our country.
But yes, if my short term incarceration, or even lifelong, would help them get a murderer before they murder, I am ok with that. Do I want to be swept up like that? No.
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Plumbline.
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Nothing is perfect in this world, far from it. But what I see being shrugged off, excused — and even defended — in our country right now saddens me.
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Mumsee, it’s admirable that you would choose to sacrifice your rights and even your freedom to save another. But you have no right to sacrifice someone else’s rights for any reason. I think those amendments are God’s blessings to us, to protect us from governmental overreach and dictatorships. If we refuse to maintain those protections by respecting them, we’ll lose them.
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So we just let people continue to abuse children? I don’t think an of us want that.
our system is broken and overwhelmed. We cannot just wave a magic wand and make it right. We have to take serious measures to turn things around. What workable solution do you offer?
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One reason we have Constitutional rights is to keep us from giving in to the temptation of expediency.
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Amen.
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And I certainly understand the concern about losing our rights:
Freedom of religion, speech, press……………at risk
Right to bear arms………………….at risk
protection from unreasonable search and seizure…….at risk
rights to life, liberty, property…………….at risk
right to a speedy and public trial…………….at risk
no excessive bail, fines or cruel and unusual punishment…..at risk.
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Ah, and so the pendulum now swings wide again.
We are relieved that the National Guard troops have been removed from our city.
But more concerns loom from the newly emboldened national government.
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… More and more and more powers being accumulated so quickly by the new administration …
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Can the president become more powerful? It seems so.
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