On Saturday this comment was made, and then liked by another individual.
“Until or unless there is actual proof or an actual accusation that has come out publicly, that is merely gossip, and verging on bearing false witness.”
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The proof and accusations were already out then, as I showed later. It was already a matter of public record for those who looked for it. Instead of doing so, you chose to assume the worst, and publicly called me a gossip, and said I was bordering on bearing false witness. At least one other agreed. This is all publicly available. Maybe next time, do a little research on your own instead of assuming the worst of me.
Also, since your rebuke was public, your apology to me should be as well.
“A new public statement from one of Tim Walz’s alleged victims reveals claims that he wasn’t the only one, suggesting more individuals are set to come forward.
The accuser has provided specific details about Walz’s body, including a raised scar on his chest, a Chinese symbol tattoo on his upper thigh, and a small scar on his left arm.
The victim now plans to hire an attorney to pursue full legal action, further alleging that his physical relationship with Walz ended in 1996.”
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CONTENT WARNING!
There is an entire thread with much more details, and it’s all publicly available, and as yet unrefuted by Walz. And it’s disgusting.
I asked the individual to put into a letter what happened when he went to the Indigo Girls Concert. This letter has some graphic details. He sent it as an attachment. I did see a few grammatical errors, But I did not change other than redact his personal information.
This letter is rated G compared to the details I would later get from this individual. Furthermore, the second page was cropped so it would be easier to read, this letter was about 1 and 1/4 pages long.”
God knows the whole truth and whatever is not the truth. Thankful He is our ultimate source of truth. Thankful He is the final judge when we as fauty humans misjudge others based on our own bias. May His peace, grace, and mercy fall afresh in our midst as we go forward in this new day He has made. Prayers for all the young who are in abusive situations or even relationships that give the appearance and opportunity for abuse with adults who have authority over them.
There will always be those rebuking the brethren but not the heathen…or so said my granny. There are those who pander to the voice of the non believer even when diametrically opposed to the faith…disappointing.
There is so much evil on the side of leftist but the blinded will not see. Lord help us!
“Meanwhile, back in the real world, what actually happened is President Trump listened to music with his supporters after multiple people needed medical attention.
The more Kamala’s interns see her poll numbers, the more pathetic the lies become.”
“Despite multiple requests, TIME has not been granted an interview with Kamala Harris—unlike every other Presidential candidate. We believe in transparency and publish each interview in full. Why isn’t the Vice President engaging with the public on the same level?”
“Harris declined repeated requests for an interview for this story. In contrast, Trump talked about his policy vision with a TIME reporter for 90 minutes across two interviews. Biden spoke to TIME at similar length before dropping out of the race.”
“Trumps civil fraud conviction, resulting in nearly a half-billion dollar judgement, could get overturned by the NY Appellate Division. Here’s nearly two minutes of a panel of five justices absolutely excoriating Letitia James’ team of lawyers. “
“4 days ago, the California Coastal Commission (CCC) rejected the U.S. Space Force’s request to increase the number of Falcon launches from 36 to 50.
They cited environmental concerns, but after listening to the entire meeting, it was clear that this was NOT about the environment. I’ve compiled some clips from the meeting, and some of them are insane. How on earth are these people allowed to say lies and then regulate private companies? They are stopping progress for political or personal reasons and only care about themselves, not the good that these services provide.”
“CBS News and Margaret Brennan (fresh off moderating a debate) cut out Johnson’s entire answer, making it seem as if he hadn’t provided evidence for his claim.
This network is on another level. No Republican should appear on it.”
As to the Waltz issue: as I mentioned yesterday, people make accusations. Some for their own gratification, some for money, whatever. Anybody can say anything. People step forward regularly to make accusations. Until they are proven to the best of our ability, they remain rumors. And I no longer trust the court system.
That said, are the accusations accurate? Could well be. I have done enough foster care over the years to know that evil abounds.
Furthermore, in my experience, other cultures view nudity differently than we do. Lots of public bathing, dressing in community, etc. scars and tattoos will be visible that are not normally so.
AJ, I’m not seeing much about these rumors, including nothing on conservative sites such as Newsmax or Fox.
So far, in view of not finding hardly any actual reporting on this (only opinion posts on X that I find questionable in intent) it appears to be a last-minute attempt by some of the more extreme X posters to impact the election.
I’ll keep looking, but so far I’m not seeing any serious treatment of this (though I am starting to see some refuting of it from more liberal sources, including New Republic).
This is a salacious, ugly accusation — the kind where, even if true (and I have serious doubts as to its credibility), “being first” to spread it via anonymous X posts reeks of suspicion.
We’ll wait to see if there’s more, but I’m hearing crickets on this “story” so far.
That’s why some of us have expressed legitimate caution, especially as believers, about spreading something that has not been validated by verifiable sources. People’s reputations are important.
I don’t remember if I was the one who liked the comment or not, I’m sorry anyway. Not calling you a gossip. There are issues we need to know even if unpleasant.
Janice – I have read that backing away from the DEI initiatives is a growing trend now.
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AJ – Allegations are not proof, and so much can be faked on the internet. As Christians, we need to be extremely careful and circumspect about what we share and post, especially when it concerns someone’s reputation. The Bible has much to say about how important our “name” (i.e. reputation) is, and that we should protect the names of others.
I apologize for offending you. If it helps at all, I was referring to the original post you shared as gossip, and merely cautioning you not to jump in the pool with them.
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NJ (re: 10:07) – I can’t remember the exact scripture, but the apostle Paul wrote that we should hold fellow believers to account more than we do those in the world. The world doesn’t know any better, but we should.
I used to chase links provided here and elsewhere but have become far more circumspect in what I choose to read. X, facebook, etc have yet to be held responsible for the trash they allow and as such it’s hard to distinguish between baseless rumours, gossip, and actual news. One can complain about the “corporate” media but they unlike anonymous can be sued and held to account. FOX and Newsmax learned this the hard way.
Accusations, rumours, and gossip have real world consequences. News reports have suggested armed groups are “hunting” FEMA workers in North Carolina. Now this too could be gossip or exaggeration but at the very least FEMA workers are being threatened and even meteorologists are being threatened.
So am I going to chase the twitter links here? Nope, I’ll wait til Newsmax reports it; they may be right wing but they can be sued.
Trump’s mental health is a legitimate question. Unlike Harriss, he has not released his medical records. Eight years ago, I had concerns and now I have even more concerns. When old age affects our minds, our base personality becomes more important as do our long term memories.
My dad was always a cautious man who like to hear both sides of an issue, he was also old school in that responsibility to family was the most important. As he aged, he kept this side of him and it became even more important; he listened more and planned more especially in regards my mom who was nine years younger. He had a harder time with day to day memory but spent much of his last year recounting his youth and his home town memories.
I never worried much about Biden’s mental acuity. Even as he aged, he could rely on long term memory as he had been in government for decades. He also had a long history of working with others and relying on a team approach. Trump on the other hand is a trust fund baby who’s life memories are in property development and realty tv – both don’t emphasise team work and listening to others.
The Coachella rally went as well as expected ie a disaster. Who was Trump listening to when this idea was proposed? If it was his idea, why didn’t his team ignore it? You’ve got three weeks left and your election depends on Pennsylvania and you go to a state where you have no hope?
And who picked the exact location? A rally in the desert? its where you have a weekend music festival not a two hour rally. A logistic nightmare. Buses who dropped people off didn’t even have time to refuel and so thousands were left waiting for hours for return buses. This isn’t on Trump but his team – logistics are basic for politics. And will be important for the get out the vote in three weeks, which is why any close race I give to the Harris, they are already working on getting out the vote.
Given Trump’s base, people over 50, again why a desert. The last place I would bring old people to hear a speech.
Trump’s speech was confusing and rambling. Some say this is “just Trump being Trump” but at a certain point I want to see his medical records. Why is he still talking about Hannibal Lector, why did he say January 5th not November 5th. And at the end of the speech, why did he freeze? He should know when to leave – it’s planned. One can’t say he stayed because of medical issues in the crowd; that’s not a reason for him to stay.
Again I also blame his team – a presidential candidate should not be on stage any longer than needed. With prior assassination attempts, his team should make sure he knows when to get off the stage. A commotion in the crowd should be a reason to get him off not leave him on and if Trump still has his wits about him, that commotion should motivate him to leave.
All this indicates Trump has trouble making decisions and making the right decisions. Even more troubling, his team also has the same problem. They are either incompetent or they are simply following orders — something I’d question if my boss was over 75.
Trump spoke to TIME in the spring as did Biden. The time for TIME has passed. The real question is why didn’t TRUMP speak to 60 minutes something that usually occurs into September. In the spring, Trump (and Biden) had less engagements and more time, now Trump and Harris are extremely busy. Would Trump be as lucid with 60 minutes as he was with TIME?
At this time, the question is the 60 minute interview, a second debate and medical records. Trump is running a busy schedule of rallies etc but seems to avoid any challenging engagements. Part of it may be he is in fact busy and thus quite tired.
Perhaps I’m missing it but Trump doesn’t seem to have people speaking for him the same way Harris has. Obama for example is out shaking hands and getting out the vote. Other than Vance who does Trump have? Melania is out selling her book not stumping for votes unlike Harris’s partner.
From my admittedly biased perspective he looks tired. Harris looks like she’s having fun; Trump did eight years ago and even four years ago now he just looks old tired and grumpy and even lonely but definitely not healthy. Perhaps with Biden out, he doesn’t have the same personal rationale for running.
Again he shouldn’t have gone to California – stick to Pennsylvania. It’s where the winner will be determined and will keep his travel schedule light. Politico reported that Republicans have internal polling that has them worried for the party’s prospects. Maybe they want Trump elsewhere to bolster the turnout? Or maybe they are putting fires out elsewhere and not helping him as much as they should? Republicans like Graham, Johnson, etc should be in Penn getting out the vote but do they want to be with him or would they bring him down. Does Trump’s team want them?
All of this is just me thinking aloud but one wonders what is going on with both Trump and the Republican party?
Considering all the fake news and lies your industry puts out, maybe you ought to sit this one out. I’ve yet to hear you condemn any of your so-called ” reputable” sources who spread lies about Trump and gave themselves Pulitzers for it. Police your own once in a while, and maybe I will buy it.
As for allegations not being good enough, why is it always acceptable then when it’s Trump? Or any one else the Me Too crowd goes after? Ya’ll just run with it as fact then.
I was the one who liked Kizzie’s post Saturday. I apologize for seeming to accuse you of false witness or gossip by liking it. I didn’t mean to do that. “Liking” a post doesn’t communicate a precise thought.
I think what was in my head at the time was just agreeing that more information was called for. Usually you provide sources, and when I saw your post and Kizzie’s you hadn’t done so yet.
“As for allegations not being good enough, why is it always acceptable then when it’s Trump? Or any one else the Me Too crowd goes after? Ya’ll just run with it as fact then.”
That is simply not true, AJ. None of us buys every allegation against Trump. Why do you even think that?
I think most of us have been pretty careful about sharing shock-of- the-day posts when it comes to political discussions, especially those that have yet to be verified by an identifiable source.
Anonymous posters are putting something out there (usually) just to spark outrage and gossip (and to perhaps sway votes). It’s just one of the flaws of sites like “X”.
I rarely go there anymore, though apparently my personal algorithm favors sweet or funny animal videos. Fine by me. I specifically follow a few trusted sources, for news and religion, and will pop in to check on their updates now and again, but that’s about it. Seems there’s no accountability on those sites so there are a lot of anonymous types that like to use it for outrage purposes. I never trust those posts without (at the very least) other verifiable sources.
Shock posters on X don’t even give their true identifies. The people they quote have little more credibility than the posters with no identities or other supportive facts.
“Anonymous” sources are a big problem in our work – IF an editor is to accept them, we have to provide full names and other information about them – and a clear reason WHY they need to be anonymous. Otherwise, it gets cut. Our policies are clear on that.
We also cannot, usually, get away with a one-source story. We’re to make sure we touch all bases with others involved, striving to get a variety of voices – especially if a story is at all controversial.
The real, it is not okay when people come out of the blue and make accusations on either side. People lie. It is difficult to find the truth. And this kind of situation is even more difficult. I suspect Billy Graham’s “be alone with no woman” could be used here. Don’t put yourself in a position where you can be accused. If that is done, false accusations are easily seen through.
Mumsee, fair enough – but who will go through life without ever associating with a Scout troop or teaching a class or supervising a youth outing? Will we all just need to lock the doors and never venture into any situation where a photo could be pulled out years later and given a “tale”?
We still need reliable sources – and even then, check others as well if it’s something this volatile.
If it’s not verified in the strongest ways with multiple testimonies, leave it be, don’t spread it.
I appreciated Kizzie’s comments about how important this is biblically for those who profess the faith. We are to guard reputations. (Even if true, maybe we still don’t “tell” and spread it to others.)
Sorry, hrw, but you thought that Biden would be the Dem candidate, and that he would defeat Pres. Trump. Now that Trump has defeated Biden even before the election, you want to claim that the terrible ‘candidate’ who didn’t get a single primary vote will win a close race? At least Biden would have had a better chance…
There are good media standards — but there also are tighter biblical standards covering some of these instances. We’ve all violated them, most likely. But that’s why we all need to be reminded.
DJ, that is why they have systems in place. Two adults. Visibility. Thinking ahead. Things still happen. More things are alleged. It is sad but it is reality.
But I still don’t see an adequate source provided for this latest tale. These posters at least need to have the courage to come out from the shadows and post their own names in a nod to transparency. “SaltyGoat17” doesn’t cut it for me.
Kizzie it is one thing to point out perceived errors on a fellow believer’s position and then every time a person posts something so opposite of the faith saying”great post so and so”! It happens all the time.
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers.The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?” (James 4:11-12).
I think there’s a distinction between “judging” someone and correcting or calling attention to what scripture says about our behaviors. (And we’re all in need.)
From a Ligonier source in Tabletalk:
~ Matthew 7:24 tells us that Jesus’ words, “Judge not, that you be not judged,” cannot mean that all of our judgments are wrong. Instead, Jesus wants us not to make wrong judgments. Let us not apply standards to others that we do not apply to ourselves. The religious authorities were guilty of using such inconsistent standards. By seeking to apply God’s law justly and holding others to the same standard to which we hold ourselves, we can judge with right judgment. ~
Sheesh, AJ. Telling DJ to sit this one out? DJ is a good reporter in her area, and not part of the national news media. She has previously mentioned here that she is not happy with how things have been going in the news media in general. She does her best where God has put her.
Re: “As for allegations not being good enough, why is it always acceptable then when it’s Trump? Or any one else the Me Too crowd goes after? Ya’ll just run with it as fact then.”
Who are you referring to as “ya’ll”? Neither DJ nor I have spread those false stories and may not even believe them. You tend to lump us in with the worst of the “Never-Trump” folks and their excesses, but we don’t fit there.
If “ya’ll” refers to the media in general, that is not on her personally, as I said above.
Besides which, it doesn’t matter (especially as believers) what others are doing. We are supposed to do the right thing no matter what others do, even if it doesn’t seem fair. Like at the end of the book of John when Peter asked what would happen with John. (Jesus had just indicated how Peter would die.) Jesus answered in part, “. . . [W]hat is that to you? You follow Me.”
I don’t know if it’s already been posted here, but this is the latest Gallup poll regarding media and public trust.
Trust has really fallen beginning in 2016. I think the inability of many in the media to restrain their TDS badly affected their believability. I like having multiple sources, but what’s the use of having 2 sources (or 20 or 50) if they are so deranged as to think injuring Trump justifies their trickery and deceit?
Debra, we’re aware lol (And the problems predate Trump, trust me 😦 )
But I think we’re also seeing what happens in a culture when there is no reliable media that people trust. Information chaos going on, now everyone simply seeks out what they already believe to further confirm what they believe. Not working out too well.
And all that said, reputable media sources still have standards. And, baring that, as HRW said, we can still be sued! And we don’t want to be sued.
I’m sorry that’s become harder in our culture. But there it is, but we’re all responsible to seek the best and most reliable information out there. And it is out there.
Find a few, compare them to each other (which is never bad advice).
But it’s our responsibility now to do that as readers, as “news consumers.”
Journalism won’t get fixed anytime soon, all kinds of headwinds led to this situation, part of it technology which has hoarded all the financial support that once was available and kept outlets operating. Some of it more complex. But this all goes back a rather long time.
That said, I have no problem to open information; we just need to know what the standards are and not take some of this at face value (probably ever). The internet has led to an explosion of information, initially it was seen as wonderful; now we see how many pitfalls that come with it all, not to mention challenges to entire cultures.
Outlets that are overseen by editors and publishers do have standards, though, which is why you may not see some of this fly-by-night wild-west stuff too often (or certainly not quickly before vetting original sources). If the stories are verifiable, then it will get the scrutiny in other outlets; if not, it dies a natural death, mostly in silence.
Look..I’m not here to judge anyone. What I have observed here is a calling out of someone when that someone is attempting to point out what is happening around us. Then when a post is on here from HRW ( no insult intended HRW but you do declare you are not a follower of Christ) some here acquiesce to his position when it goes against biblical truth…such as the abortion post last week…”great post HRW”…. or when he slimes the politics of our country and of course Trump. Perhaps some here like those posts because he too hates Trump.
Most of us here in support of Trump leading this nation once again are in support of our constitution, freedoms, moral base and stand against the evils of the left. We aren’t Trump lovers…just like you don’t like to be called Never Trumpers…the perceived insult plays both ways even it you refuse to see it.
Tychicus – I correctly predicted Biden’s win 4 years ago – not difficult, it was fairly obvious. I was surprised Trump was surprised. in 2022, I correctly said there wouldn’t be a red wave. Again fairly obvious – the Democrats rarely lose the popular vote, only the electoral college, gerrrymandering and rural over representation keep the race close. Currently, the only predictions I have made is that the presidential race will be closer than 2020 and Pennsylvania will decide. And if Penn decides, Harris will squeak out a win but I’m definitely not confident with that statement
Primaries are an internal party mechanism. It means nothing in the general election. I’ve been fairly impressed with her and I actually don’t like her — too conservative for my taste. So that’s a neutral observation. Harris is a better candidate than Biden (who I always liked) because of her relative youth, energy and general demeanour (she looks like she wants to be there). Trump is old and tired.
My prior comments are more of a critique of Trump’s team rather than him. It’s fairly obvious most people have decided their vote its now a matter of motivation, why a rally in a California desert would help with turning out the vote is a mystery.
Really AJ really??? You defend an anonymous tweet over somebody who has been commenting here for years and one you must have some personal connection too. That’s all I have to say about this — others speak more eloquently than me.
As for Walz vs Trump? That’s a false equivalency. Trump’s personal behaviour is well known and sourced. Numerous court cases, books, interviews and self-admissions have documented his behaviour for decades. For Walz we have an anonymous tweet, not even Newsmax will touch it.
Personally, Trump should be called Teflon Donald. Epstein files named him — crickets. He gives Putin hospital testing equipment in the middle of Covid – crickets. He has at least 7 telephone conversations with Putin post presidency while secrets are in the Mar-a-lago bathroom – crickets. Any ordinary politician would be applying for his pension by now.
Speaking for myself, I can assure you that I do not said anything negative here about Trump supporters. There are people close to me who support him, as well as the many here whom I love. I have tried to make it clear that I bear no ill will towards those who support Trump, despite being put down for not supporting him.
In fact, as far as I can tell, I have not commented much about Trump myself. But somehow, discussions keep moving back to him.
Like this one, for instance. It started with that Tim Walz story. Then somewhere along the line, AJ brought up Trump, and here I am again saying that I don’t hate the man and don’t put down his supporters. 😦
NJ @5:06 I remember commenting “great post” (re what you referenced) and then realized later that it did contain a stated position on abortion that I disagreed with; the comment was perhaps too hastily post but was focused more on a the general points it made and the tenor — also I did think it was a fairly astute review of our current troubled campaign season coming from a “foreigner/Canadian.” 🙂
My own views of Trump were formed probably during the first campaign, initially with his (ok, I’ll say it, obnoxious) behavior in the 2016 debates, the interview that was broadcast by ABC(?) where he spoke of women rather disrespectfully (“locker room banter” not to be taken seriously? Maybe, but … not what a man of good character would probably say even in private). Later there were expressions from many of his first-term aids, several of them high-ranking (and people who have been respected and, I think, probably served Trump well while in office); Trump’s shoulder-shrug responses to Jan. 6. There were many instances that led me to form the opinion I did about his overall character; it wasn’t what “the media” said, it was pretty much Trump in his own words along with other observations.
There have been many unfair attacks on him. There also have been very fair criticisms of him.
Lack of grace and respect for those who absolutely cheated connived and committed fraud with the votes? And you can bet your bottom dollar they are at it again!
DJ, amusingly, it was the debates that opened my very closed mind to Trump. When Ben Carson missed his cue and Trump was the only one to stop and talk with him. I said, wait, what’s this? The blowhard has empathy and compassion? Since, I have seen a lot of that and believe his policies reflect that compassion for the people.
“Glimmers” of hope are at least encouraging, mumsee; folks here say he hands out $100 bills to employees whenever he stops in to visit “his” Trump golf course. But … I still see the overall picture of what we now know and can observe about his character (after several years now in the public eye) is problematic.
I haven’t read all the comments on this thread yet, but I went back a couple of days to find the simple, commonsense caution that Kizzie posted that allegations without evidence (of issues that could destroy a person’s reputation) need to be treated with extreme care. She’s right!
Interesting to me was that the original post to which she was replying was made anonymously, so it’s very hard to see her accusing any single person of gossip; she was replying to an anonymous post.
After Kizzie’s post, there was another anonymous post: “And it’s odd, I don’t remember any such concerns from you when the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax and the pee tape hoax was all the rage among your favorite Never Trump sources, so spare me…..”
This is a stronger accusation than Kizzie’s caution, and again it’s being made anonymously.
I assume the anonymous poster in both cases was AJ, but if you’re going to demand an apology because of a gentle caution, then the anonymous slams should probably earn an apology too.
It also would probably be good form to avoid anonymous posting on here as a general rule.
Wandering Views 
I missed this somehow: (caught up in Hurricane news?)
https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/toyota-follows-growing-trend-companies-halting-dei-policies-initiatives
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On Saturday this comment was made, and then liked by another individual.
“Until or unless there is actual proof or an actual accusation that has come out publicly, that is merely gossip, and verging on bearing false witness.”
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The proof and accusations were already out then, as I showed later. It was already a matter of public record for those who looked for it. Instead of doing so, you chose to assume the worst, and publicly called me a gossip, and said I was bordering on bearing false witness. At least one other agreed. This is all publicly available. Maybe next time, do a little research on your own instead of assuming the worst of me.
Also, since your rebuke was public, your apology to me should be as well.
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More……
https://x.com/DeepBlueCrypto/status/1845804065147498535?t=XqxqGtZxdXkyCiBXt2ZQtassessment.
“A new public statement from one of Tim Walz’s alleged victims reveals claims that he wasn’t the only one, suggesting more individuals are set to come forward.
The accuser has provided specific details about Walz’s body, including a raised scar on his chest, a Chinese symbol tattoo on his upper thigh, and a small scar on his left arm.
The victim now plans to hire an attorney to pursue full legal action, further alleging that his physical relationship with Walz ended in 1996.”
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CONTENT WARNING!
There is an entire thread with much more details, and it’s all publicly available, and as yet unrefuted by Walz. And it’s disgusting.
https://x.com/DocNetyoutube/status/1845607885125882231?t=gFMk_xqVd68SHlX4mLUNOg&s=19
“Tim Walz Post Number 7
I asked the individual to put into a letter what happened when he went to the Indigo Girls Concert. This letter has some graphic details. He sent it as an attachment. I did see a few grammatical errors, But I did not change other than redact his personal information.
This letter is rated G compared to the details I would later get from this individual. Furthermore, the second page was cropped so it would be easier to read, this letter was about 1 and 1/4 pages long.”
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You can find all the sordid details here.
https://x.com/DocNetyoutube?t=46kykUWD67ovj8rx-nZYtw&s=09
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God knows the whole truth and whatever is not the truth. Thankful He is our ultimate source of truth. Thankful He is the final judge when we as fauty humans misjudge others based on our own bias. May His peace, grace, and mercy fall afresh in our midst as we go forward in this new day He has made. Prayers for all the young who are in abusive situations or even relationships that give the appearance and opportunity for abuse with adults who have authority over them.
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There will always be those rebuking the brethren but not the heathen…or so said my granny. There are those who pander to the voice of the non believer even when diametrically opposed to the faith…disappointing.
There is so much evil on the side of leftist but the blinded will not see. Lord help us!
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Kamala is lying. Again.
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“Trump appears lost, confused, and frozen on stage as multiple songs play for 30+ minutes and the crowd pours out of the venue early”
https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1846006129953833365?t=aQs7Vc6AV9wLK9e6kgm3Vw&s=19
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Lies are all she has left.
https://x.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1846014442133241896?t=xiSpvy58duiGfL6fpr4V3g&s=19
“Meanwhile, back in the real world, what actually happened is President Trump listened to music with his supporters after multiple people needed medical attention.
The more Kamala’s interns see her poll numbers, the more pathetic the lies become.”
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Yet she says Trump is hiding….
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“Despite multiple requests, TIME has not been granted an interview with Kamala Harris—unlike every other Presidential candidate. We believe in transparency and publish each interview in full. Why isn’t the Vice President engaging with the public on the same level?”
https://x.com/Benioff/status/1845887537703014546?t=_xIdsO_KTi0HZsr1EeglqQ&s=19
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“Harris declined repeated requests for an interview for this story. In contrast, Trump talked about his policy vision with a TIME reporter for 90 minutes across two interviews. Biden spoke to TIME at similar length before dropping out of the race.”
https://x.com/Benioff/status/1845887537703014546?t=w0H89cTTmYhOmgR8ERsf2g&s=19
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She’s projecting again…
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1845578817487651121?t=uGvTSlBEioVX7Yxp7tvmJQ&s=19
“Komrade Kamala just accused President Trump of “HIDING,” while he’s currently on stage at his FIFTH EVENT IN THREE DAYS.
She thinks you’re stupid.”
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As I’ve said from the start, none of this stands up to appeal.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1845957616343937350?t=GlNC6qCgr6Zjybs3R7kYJw&s=19
“Trumps civil fraud conviction, resulting in nearly a half-billion dollar judgement, could get overturned by the NY Appellate Division. Here’s nearly two minutes of a panel of five justices absolutely excoriating Letitia James’ team of lawyers. “
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This is what happens when the clowns run the circus.
All because they hate the success of Musk almost as much as Trump.
https://x.com/xdNiBoR/status/1845895739182031183?t=aF1akVO2SH8quORJPW_Wng&s=19
“4 days ago, the California Coastal Commission (CCC) rejected the U.S. Space Force’s request to increase the number of Falcon launches from 36 to 50.
They cited environmental concerns, but after listening to the entire meeting, it was clear that this was NOT about the environment. I’ve compiled some clips from the meeting, and some of them are insane. How on earth are these people allowed to say lies and then regulate private companies? They are stopping progress for political or personal reasons and only care about themselves, not the good that these services provide.”
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This is the Propaganda Press in action.
https://x.com/bonchieredstate/status/1846185213321191763?t=uGN0bGQC2_kaNHfXCjk8fQ&s=19
“CBS News and Margaret Brennan (fresh off moderating a debate) cut out Johnson’s entire answer, making it seem as if he hadn’t provided evidence for his claim.
This network is on another level. No Republican should appear on it.”
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As to the Waltz issue: as I mentioned yesterday, people make accusations. Some for their own gratification, some for money, whatever. Anybody can say anything. People step forward regularly to make accusations. Until they are proven to the best of our ability, they remain rumors. And I no longer trust the court system.
That said, are the accusations accurate? Could well be. I have done enough foster care over the years to know that evil abounds.
mumsee
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Furthermore, in my experience, other cultures view nudity differently than we do. Lots of public bathing, dressing in community, etc. scars and tattoos will be visible that are not normally so.
mumsee
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AJ, I’m not seeing much about these rumors, including nothing on conservative sites such as Newsmax or Fox.
So far, in view of not finding hardly any actual reporting on this (only opinion posts on X that I find questionable in intent) it appears to be a last-minute attempt by some of the more extreme X posters to impact the election.
I’ll keep looking, but so far I’m not seeing any serious treatment of this (though I am starting to see some refuting of it from more liberal sources, including New Republic).
This is a salacious, ugly accusation — the kind where, even if true (and I have serious doubts as to its credibility), “being first” to spread it via anonymous X posts reeks of suspicion.
We’ll wait to see if there’s more, but I’m hearing crickets on this “story” so far.
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Legitimate news includes a verifiable name of the source reporting and publishing it, at the very least.
The X post was under a pseudonym, apparently with far-right political ties. Who is he or she? Why should I or anyone else trust them?
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That’s why some of us have expressed legitimate caution, especially as believers, about spreading something that has not been validated by verifiable sources. People’s reputations are important.
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I don’t remember if I was the one who liked the comment or not, I’m sorry anyway. Not calling you a gossip. There are issues we need to know even if unpleasant.
debra
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But truth also needs to be a consideration for “issues” that pop up with not-yet-verified posts via social media pseudonyms.
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Janice – I have read that backing away from the DEI initiatives is a growing trend now.
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AJ – Allegations are not proof, and so much can be faked on the internet. As Christians, we need to be extremely careful and circumspect about what we share and post, especially when it concerns someone’s reputation. The Bible has much to say about how important our “name” (i.e. reputation) is, and that we should protect the names of others.
I apologize for offending you. If it helps at all, I was referring to the original post you shared as gossip, and merely cautioning you not to jump in the pool with them.
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NJ (re: 10:07) – I can’t remember the exact scripture, but the apostle Paul wrote that we should hold fellow believers to account more than we do those in the world. The world doesn’t know any better, but we should.
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In other news, it looks like what was an apparent impending third assassination attempt was not.
~ “Man arrested outside Trump Coachella rally denies assassination intent; he’s ‘all in’ supporting Trump
Vem Miller, 49, told Fox News Digital that he was 100% a Trump supporter and claims against him are false” ~
https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-arrested-outside-trump-coachella-rally-denies-assassination-intent-support-trump
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I used to chase links provided here and elsewhere but have become far more circumspect in what I choose to read. X, facebook, etc have yet to be held responsible for the trash they allow and as such it’s hard to distinguish between baseless rumours, gossip, and actual news. One can complain about the “corporate” media but they unlike anonymous can be sued and held to account. FOX and Newsmax learned this the hard way.
Accusations, rumours, and gossip have real world consequences. News reports have suggested armed groups are “hunting” FEMA workers in North Carolina. Now this too could be gossip or exaggeration but at the very least FEMA workers are being threatened and even meteorologists are being threatened.
So am I going to chase the twitter links here? Nope, I’ll wait til Newsmax reports it; they may be right wing but they can be sued.
hrw
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And, Kizzie, on that one: unknown. Some big oddities in his story. Best to err on the side of caution.
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Mumsee – Yes.
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Perhaps instead of “. . .was not,” I should have said, “. . .may not have been.”
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Trump’s mental health is a legitimate question. Unlike Harriss, he has not released his medical records. Eight years ago, I had concerns and now I have even more concerns. When old age affects our minds, our base personality becomes more important as do our long term memories.
My dad was always a cautious man who like to hear both sides of an issue, he was also old school in that responsibility to family was the most important. As he aged, he kept this side of him and it became even more important; he listened more and planned more especially in regards my mom who was nine years younger. He had a harder time with day to day memory but spent much of his last year recounting his youth and his home town memories.
I never worried much about Biden’s mental acuity. Even as he aged, he could rely on long term memory as he had been in government for decades. He also had a long history of working with others and relying on a team approach. Trump on the other hand is a trust fund baby who’s life memories are in property development and realty tv – both don’t emphasise team work and listening to others.
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The Coachella rally went as well as expected ie a disaster. Who was Trump listening to when this idea was proposed? If it was his idea, why didn’t his team ignore it? You’ve got three weeks left and your election depends on Pennsylvania and you go to a state where you have no hope?
And who picked the exact location? A rally in the desert? its where you have a weekend music festival not a two hour rally. A logistic nightmare. Buses who dropped people off didn’t even have time to refuel and so thousands were left waiting for hours for return buses. This isn’t on Trump but his team – logistics are basic for politics. And will be important for the get out the vote in three weeks, which is why any close race I give to the Harris, they are already working on getting out the vote.
Given Trump’s base, people over 50, again why a desert. The last place I would bring old people to hear a speech.
Trump’s speech was confusing and rambling. Some say this is “just Trump being Trump” but at a certain point I want to see his medical records. Why is he still talking about Hannibal Lector, why did he say January 5th not November 5th. And at the end of the speech, why did he freeze? He should know when to leave – it’s planned. One can’t say he stayed because of medical issues in the crowd; that’s not a reason for him to stay.
Again I also blame his team – a presidential candidate should not be on stage any longer than needed. With prior assassination attempts, his team should make sure he knows when to get off the stage. A commotion in the crowd should be a reason to get him off not leave him on and if Trump still has his wits about him, that commotion should motivate him to leave.
All this indicates Trump has trouble making decisions and making the right decisions. Even more troubling, his team also has the same problem. They are either incompetent or they are simply following orders — something I’d question if my boss was over 75.
hrw
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Trump spoke to TIME in the spring as did Biden. The time for TIME has passed. The real question is why didn’t TRUMP speak to 60 minutes something that usually occurs into September. In the spring, Trump (and Biden) had less engagements and more time, now Trump and Harris are extremely busy. Would Trump be as lucid with 60 minutes as he was with TIME?
At this time, the question is the 60 minute interview, a second debate and medical records. Trump is running a busy schedule of rallies etc but seems to avoid any challenging engagements. Part of it may be he is in fact busy and thus quite tired.
Perhaps I’m missing it but Trump doesn’t seem to have people speaking for him the same way Harris has. Obama for example is out shaking hands and getting out the vote. Other than Vance who does Trump have? Melania is out selling her book not stumping for votes unlike Harris’s partner.
From my admittedly biased perspective he looks tired. Harris looks like she’s having fun; Trump did eight years ago and even four years ago now he just looks old tired and grumpy and even lonely but definitely not healthy. Perhaps with Biden out, he doesn’t have the same personal rationale for running.
Again he shouldn’t have gone to California – stick to Pennsylvania. It’s where the winner will be determined and will keep his travel schedule light. Politico reported that Republicans have internal polling that has them worried for the party’s prospects. Maybe they want Trump elsewhere to bolster the turnout? Or maybe they are putting fires out elsewhere and not helping him as much as they should? Republicans like Graham, Johnson, etc should be in Penn getting out the vote but do they want to be with him or would they bring him down. Does Trump’s team want them?
All of this is just me thinking aloud but one wonders what is going on with both Trump and the Republican party?
hrw
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Dj,
Considering all the fake news and lies your industry puts out, maybe you ought to sit this one out. I’ve yet to hear you condemn any of your so-called ” reputable” sources who spread lies about Trump and gave themselves Pulitzers for it. Police your own once in a while, and maybe I will buy it.
As for allegations not being good enough, why is it always acceptable then when it’s Trump? Or any one else the Me Too crowd goes after? Ya’ll just run with it as fact then.
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I don’t see it that way, hrw.
mumsee
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So Trump should his medical records?
Let’s see yours first.
The man has a right to privacy, whether you like it or not.
Funny too, where were you calls for Biden’s these last 4 years while his decline was evident to all?
Yeah, crickets.
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I was the one who liked Kizzie’s post Saturday. I apologize for seeming to accuse you of false witness or gossip by liking it. I didn’t mean to do that. “Liking” a post doesn’t communicate a precise thought.
I think what was in my head at the time was just agreeing that more information was called for. Usually you provide sources, and when I saw your post and Kizzie’s you hadn’t done so yet.
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“As for allegations not being good enough, why is it always acceptable then when it’s Trump? Or any one else the Me Too crowd goes after? Ya’ll just run with it as fact then.”
That is simply not true, AJ. None of us buys every allegation against Trump. Why do you even think that?
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Thanks Kevin @1:51
I think most of us have been pretty careful about sharing shock-of- the-day posts when it comes to political discussions, especially those that have yet to be verified by an identifiable source.
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Anonymous posters are putting something out there (usually) just to spark outrage and gossip (and to perhaps sway votes). It’s just one of the flaws of sites like “X”.
I rarely go there anymore, though apparently my personal algorithm favors sweet or funny animal videos. Fine by me. I specifically follow a few trusted sources, for news and religion, and will pop in to check on their updates now and again, but that’s about it. Seems there’s no accountability on those sites so there are a lot of anonymous types that like to use it for outrage purposes. I never trust those posts without (at the very least) other verifiable sources.
Shock posters on X don’t even give their true identifies. The people they quote have little more credibility than the posters with no identities or other supportive facts.
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“Anonymous” sources are a big problem in our work – IF an editor is to accept them, we have to provide full names and other information about them – and a clear reason WHY they need to be anonymous. Otherwise, it gets cut. Our policies are clear on that.
We also cannot, usually, get away with a one-source story. We’re to make sure we touch all bases with others involved, striving to get a variety of voices – especially if a story is at all controversial.
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The real, it is not okay when people come out of the blue and make accusations on either side. People lie. It is difficult to find the truth. And this kind of situation is even more difficult. I suspect Billy Graham’s “be alone with no woman” could be used here. Don’t put yourself in a position where you can be accused. If that is done, false accusations are easily seen through.
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Mumsee, fair enough – but who will go through life without ever associating with a Scout troop or teaching a class or supervising a youth outing? Will we all just need to lock the doors and never venture into any situation where a photo could be pulled out years later and given a “tale”?
We still need reliable sources – and even then, check others as well if it’s something this volatile.
If it’s not verified in the strongest ways with multiple testimonies, leave it be, don’t spread it.
I appreciated Kizzie’s comments about how important this is biblically for those who profess the faith. We are to guard reputations. (Even if true, maybe we still don’t “tell” and spread it to others.)
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Sorry, hrw, but you thought that Biden would be the Dem candidate, and that he would defeat Pres. Trump. Now that Trump has defeated Biden even before the election, you want to claim that the terrible ‘candidate’ who didn’t get a single primary vote will win a close race? At least Biden would have had a better chance…
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There are good media standards — but there also are tighter biblical standards covering some of these instances. We’ve all violated them, most likely. But that’s why we all need to be reminded.
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DJ, that is why they have systems in place. Two adults. Visibility. Thinking ahead. Things still happen. More things are alleged. It is sad but it is reality.
mumsee
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But I still don’t see an adequate source provided for this latest tale. These posters at least need to have the courage to come out from the shadows and post their own names in a nod to transparency. “SaltyGoat17” doesn’t cut it for me.
I realize it’s an election year though. 😦
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Kizzie it is one thing to point out perceived errors on a fellow believer’s position and then every time a person posts something so opposite of the faith saying”great post so and so”! It happens all the time.
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers.The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?” (James 4:11-12).
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I think there’s a distinction between “judging” someone and correcting or calling attention to what scripture says about our behaviors. (And we’re all in need.)
From a Ligonier source in Tabletalk:
~ Matthew 7:24 tells us that Jesus’ words, “Judge not, that you be not judged,” cannot mean that all of our judgments are wrong. Instead, Jesus wants us not to make wrong judgments. Let us not apply standards to others that we do not apply to ourselves. The religious authorities were guilty of using such inconsistent standards. By seeking to apply God’s law justly and holding others to the same standard to which we hold ourselves, we can judge with right judgment. ~
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Sheesh, AJ. Telling DJ to sit this one out? DJ is a good reporter in her area, and not part of the national news media. She has previously mentioned here that she is not happy with how things have been going in the news media in general. She does her best where God has put her.
Re: “As for allegations not being good enough, why is it always acceptable then when it’s Trump? Or any one else the Me Too crowd goes after? Ya’ll just run with it as fact then.”
Who are you referring to as “ya’ll”? Neither DJ nor I have spread those false stories and may not even believe them. You tend to lump us in with the worst of the “Never-Trump” folks and their excesses, but we don’t fit there.
If “ya’ll” refers to the media in general, that is not on her personally, as I said above.
Besides which, it doesn’t matter (especially as believers) what others are doing. We are supposed to do the right thing no matter what others do, even if it doesn’t seem fair. Like at the end of the book of John when Peter asked what would happen with John. (Jesus had just indicated how Peter would die.) Jesus answered in part, “. . . [W]hat is that to you? You follow Me.”
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I don’t know if it’s already been posted here, but this is the latest Gallup poll regarding media and public trust.
Trust has really fallen beginning in 2016. I think the inability of many in the media to restrain their TDS badly affected their believability. I like having multiple sources, but what’s the use of having 2 sources (or 20 or 50) if they are so deranged as to think injuring Trump justifies their trickery and deceit?
https://news.gallup.com/poll/651977/americans-trust-media-remains-trend-low.aspx?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top
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Debra, we’re aware lol (And the problems predate Trump, trust me 😦 )
But I think we’re also seeing what happens in a culture when there is no reliable media that people trust. Information chaos going on, now everyone simply seeks out what they already believe to further confirm what they believe. Not working out too well.
And all that said, reputable media sources still have standards. And, baring that, as HRW said, we can still be sued! And we don’t want to be sued.
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So It’s now SaltyDog (or whatever his “name” was).
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And, no this is not on DJ. I’m sure she’s a very good reporter and that doesn’t make her responsible for all the bad apples.
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There are still many good journalists in the profession.
It’s something else altogether not to seek out reputable sources with standards.
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I’m sorry that’s become harder in our culture. But there it is, but we’re all responsible to seek the best and most reliable information out there. And it is out there.
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Yeah, I guess we can pick between saltydog or caturd .
i don’t care for X, but it doesn’t allow things to be buried that used to be. That’s a mixed bag, but more light not less is generally a good thing .
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Find a few, compare them to each other (which is never bad advice).
But it’s our responsibility now to do that as readers, as “news consumers.”
Journalism won’t get fixed anytime soon, all kinds of headwinds led to this situation, part of it technology which has hoarded all the financial support that once was available and kept outlets operating. Some of it more complex. But this all goes back a rather long time.
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Oh, I forgot caturd. Of course. (Is that with two t’s or one? Oh wait, that’s not actually a verifiable name anyway … )
“X” is very unreliable – in general and largely speaking I’d say.
Fun dog and cat stuff, though.
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That said, I have no problem to open information; we just need to know what the standards are and not take some of this at face value (probably ever). The internet has led to an explosion of information, initially it was seen as wonderful; now we see how many pitfalls that come with it all, not to mention challenges to entire cultures.
Outlets that are overseen by editors and publishers do have standards, though, which is why you may not see some of this fly-by-night wild-west stuff too often (or certainly not quickly before vetting original sources). If the stories are verifiable, then it will get the scrutiny in other outlets; if not, it dies a natural death, mostly in silence.
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Look..I’m not here to judge anyone. What I have observed here is a calling out of someone when that someone is attempting to point out what is happening around us. Then when a post is on here from HRW ( no insult intended HRW but you do declare you are not a follower of Christ) some here acquiesce to his position when it goes against biblical truth…such as the abortion post last week…”great post HRW”…. or when he slimes the politics of our country and of course Trump. Perhaps some here like those posts because he too hates Trump.
Most of us here in support of Trump leading this nation once again are in support of our constitution, freedoms, moral base and stand against the evils of the left. We aren’t Trump lovers…just like you don’t like to be called Never Trumpers…the perceived insult plays both ways even it you refuse to see it.
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As a Texan I must interject… it’s y’all, not ya’ll. 😉
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DJ, I believe it is two ‘t’s. I just couldn’t bring myself to write it :–)
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Good man, Tychicus! If you don’t nip it in the bud they’ll be messin’ with all our contractions. Ain’t that right.
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I knew that, but was quoting as written. 🙂
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Mumsee – what don’t your see the same?
Tychicus – I correctly predicted Biden’s win 4 years ago – not difficult, it was fairly obvious. I was surprised Trump was surprised. in 2022, I correctly said there wouldn’t be a red wave. Again fairly obvious – the Democrats rarely lose the popular vote, only the electoral college, gerrrymandering and rural over representation keep the race close. Currently, the only predictions I have made is that the presidential race will be closer than 2020 and Pennsylvania will decide. And if Penn decides, Harris will squeak out a win but I’m definitely not confident with that statement
Primaries are an internal party mechanism. It means nothing in the general election. I’ve been fairly impressed with her and I actually don’t like her — too conservative for my taste. So that’s a neutral observation. Harris is a better candidate than Biden (who I always liked) because of her relative youth, energy and general demeanour (she looks like she wants to be there). Trump is old and tired.
My prior comments are more of a critique of Trump’s team rather than him. It’s fairly obvious most people have decided their vote its now a matter of motivation, why a rally in a California desert would help with turning out the vote is a mystery.
hrw
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Really AJ really??? You defend an anonymous tweet over somebody who has been commenting here for years and one you must have some personal connection too. That’s all I have to say about this — others speak more eloquently than me.
As for Walz vs Trump? That’s a false equivalency. Trump’s personal behaviour is well known and sourced. Numerous court cases, books, interviews and self-admissions have documented his behaviour for decades. For Walz we have an anonymous tweet, not even Newsmax will touch it.
Personally, Trump should be called Teflon Donald. Epstein files named him — crickets. He gives Putin hospital testing equipment in the middle of Covid – crickets. He has at least 7 telephone conversations with Putin post presidency while secrets are in the Mar-a-lago bathroom – crickets. Any ordinary politician would be applying for his pension by now.
hrw
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NJ – I am sorry you feel that way. I truly am. 😦
Speaking for myself, I can assure you that I do not said anything negative here about Trump supporters. There are people close to me who support him, as well as the many here whom I love. I have tried to make it clear that I bear no ill will towards those who support Trump, despite being put down for not supporting him.
In fact, as far as I can tell, I have not commented much about Trump myself. But somehow, discussions keep moving back to him.
Like this one, for instance. It started with that Tim Walz story. Then somewhere along the line, AJ brought up Trump, and here I am again saying that I don’t hate the man and don’t put down his supporters. 😦
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NJ @5:06 I remember commenting “great post” (re what you referenced) and then realized later that it did contain a stated position on abortion that I disagreed with; the comment was perhaps too hastily post but was focused more on a the general points it made and the tenor — also I did think it was a fairly astute review of our current troubled campaign season coming from a “foreigner/Canadian.” 🙂
My own views of Trump were formed probably during the first campaign, initially with his (ok, I’ll say it, obnoxious) behavior in the 2016 debates, the interview that was broadcast by ABC(?) where he spoke of women rather disrespectfully (“locker room banter” not to be taken seriously? Maybe, but … not what a man of good character would probably say even in private). Later there were expressions from many of his first-term aids, several of them high-ranking (and people who have been respected and, I think, probably served Trump well while in office); Trump’s shoulder-shrug responses to Jan. 6. There were many instances that led me to form the opinion I did about his overall character; it wasn’t what “the media” said, it was pretty much Trump in his own words along with other observations.
There have been many unfair attacks on him. There also have been very fair criticisms of him.
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And I’d add his behavior following the 2020 election, a lack of grace and respecting the transfer of power.
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DJ, if Vance were running for president on the Trump agenda would he be likely to get your vote ? Because it’s very possible he will be in 4 years .
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Lack of grace and respect for those who absolutely cheated connived and committed fraud with the votes? And you can bet your bottom dollar they are at it again!
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DJ, amusingly, it was the debates that opened my very closed mind to Trump. When Ben Carson missed his cue and Trump was the only one to stop and talk with him. I said, wait, what’s this? The blowhard has empathy and compassion? Since, I have seen a lot of that and believe his policies reflect that compassion for the people.
mumsee
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“Glimmers” of hope are at least encouraging, mumsee; folks here say he hands out $100 bills to employees whenever he stops in to visit “his” Trump golf course. But … I still see the overall picture of what we now know and can observe about his character (after several years now in the public eye) is problematic.
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I haven’t read all the comments on this thread yet, but I went back a couple of days to find the simple, commonsense caution that Kizzie posted that allegations without evidence (of issues that could destroy a person’s reputation) need to be treated with extreme care. She’s right!
Interesting to me was that the original post to which she was replying was made anonymously, so it’s very hard to see her accusing any single person of gossip; she was replying to an anonymous post.
After Kizzie’s post, there was another anonymous post: “And it’s odd, I don’t remember any such concerns from you when the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax and the pee tape hoax was all the rage among your favorite Never Trump sources, so spare me…..”
This is a stronger accusation than Kizzie’s caution, and again it’s being made anonymously.
I assume the anonymous poster in both cases was AJ, but if you’re going to demand an apology because of a gentle caution, then the anonymous slams should probably earn an apology too.
It also would probably be good form to avoid anonymous posting on here as a general rule.
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Good points, Cheryl. I agree.
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