No news is good news! I know, it’s still early. A blank slate at 9:30 a.m. is a joy to behold. I told Art this morning that we could turn on the local news and find more news of murders than that Midsommer program on PBS has. It’s amazing there are any people left in Midsommer.
At least twice in the last few weeks I’ve watched as Kizzie asked a question looking for clarity, and then been jumped on and belittled by people who made assumptions about what she was thinking and why she was asking.
Stop it. That’s not how we should treat each other. If you have an answer to the question, offer your answer. If you have speculation about what the answer might be, share your speculation. But don’t jump on a person for asking, and don’t assume you know why they asked or what they were thinking.
In a 24-page ruling by the Texas Court of Appeals, the court rules the Texas Bar failed to prove Sidney Powell acted in “dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation” in the four lawsuits she filed against the overthrow of the U.S. government on Nov 3, 2020.
The court even caught the Bar lying its ass off.
A: “By its own admission, the Bar misidentified or failed to include multiple exhibits it claims to have relied on in its Second Amended Response,”
B: “The deficiencies go far beyond mislabeling exhibits.”
C: “The Bar not only failed to cite to or argue about any additional documents — the documents are not mentioned at all.”
D: “You have to be a damn fool, and abjectly stupid not to see what happened here.” The opinion added.
📝 By the way, what she is simply saying here 👇 that the United States intelligence community were in on it.”
“The two seconds at the end that @WSJ edited out is the difference between the corporate media’s manufactured “dictator” narrative and an obvious joke.”
Kevin, I’m sorry but I disagree. No one is belittling anyone here. Kizzie often brings things of value to our attention. But these are informal conversations, and no one is entitled to a satisfactory answer to their questions. Kizzie brought up a question, and I responded. She need not be satisfied with the answer, but she has no justification to complain that she was just blown off. She wasn’t. I’m not walking on eggshells for any healthy person because I believe it’s unhealthy for me and for them as well.
These threads and the behavior remind me of something I read recently from Tim Alberta:
~ I have described politics being to the Christian oftentimes, like Las Vegas is to the suburban dad. Which is to say that it is a self-contained escape where the rules of their everyday life do not apply. So the way that you would treat your neighbor, the way that you would treat your coworker, the way that you treat your spouse in your everyday life, and your own sort of personal ethics around alcohol, around sexual sin, all of those things, right? Well, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, right? It’s this escape. And politics has become that escape for far too many Christians.
Why do we create this permission structure to say that in politics, we can talk in ways, behave in ways that would never transfer over to any other area of our life? We adopt this zero sum, ends-justify-the-means mentality in politics, that we don’t adopt anywhere else. And so when I’m talking with young people in particular, what I always try to emphasize is that what happens in politics does not stay in politics. That everybody can see you. ~
From my view, I asked Kizzie for her perspective, why she brought up the question. Did she take it as meaning he was going to become a tyrant for his remaining few years on earth? Had she heard others saying that was what hw meant but not her opinion? I thought mine was also a legitimate question.
I also tried to give a clear answer of what I thought he meant.
As to talking with each other like we talk to our brothers and sisters: the problem is lack of body language and family history so nuances are not understood. We are, generally, talking with the people we will be spending eternity with. We share a love of God and need to treat each other in that regard. Sneers, scoffing, name calling are out of line. Disagreement is fine and should happen. But it can be done respectfully.
Not gonna say much here lest I be accused of being mean or unkind.
When you come in with “gotcha” questions and comments about a man your dislike for is well known, are you not the one causing strife? You’re looking to get a rise, so don’t act shocked or offended when you get one.
Lets face it, some people will believe whatever lies the media tell them, and make conclusions about a man they already dislike based upon it. I don’t feel an obligation to play along.
And it’s not just here. Facebook is a perfect example of this, hence my debunking once again of the smear about Trump and Epstein.
Some people buy the lies because they want it to be true for reasons of personal affirmation on their choices and feelings. Again, I don’t feel a need to play along nicely with such nonsense.
The question that was asked about Trump’s comment was a very legitimate one, however, and one that has prompted no shortage of discussion more widely in the country (as it should).
What did he mean? Who knows.
Either way, Trump loves the attention and it works on that level for him. Many of us are simply growing weary of the schtick.
Re: “When you come in with “gotcha” questions and comments about a man your dislike for is well known, are you not the one causing strife? You’re looking to get a rise, so don’t act shocked or offended when you get one.”
That is putting an ungracious spin on what I said. I tried to make it clear that I was asking an honest question, not making assumptions. I even said that I didn’t think it could mean what he seemed to be saying.
If anything questioning Trump is a considered to be a “gotcha” question, then no one can ask honest questions here.
“Some people buy the lies because they want it to be true for reasons of personal affirmation on their choices and feelings.”
BREAKING: Gab founder @basedtorba just released an FBI Emergency Disclosure Request (EDR) that names Thomas Matthew Crooks’s Biden-supporting social media account after FBI Deputy Director Paul Abbate falsely testified under oath to Congress.
According to his Gab account, Crooks supported Biden, lockdowns, and Biden’s border policies.
FBI Deputy Director Paul Abbate just told Congress that “an account believed to be associated with the shooter” had posted 700 comments in 2019 and 2020 with “anti-Semitic and anti-immigration” views.
“While the investigative team is still working to verify this account to determine if it did, in fact, belong to the shooter, we believe it important to share and note it today, particularly given the general absence of other information to date from social media that reflect on the shooter’s potential motive and mindset.”
However, the FBI’s request to Gab specifically identified Thomas Matthew Crooks’s account as “epicMicrowave,” which had posted comments completely opposite to what the FBI just told Congress.
Moreover, Crooks donated $15 to a progressive PAC on January 20, 2021, and posted comments supporting Joe Biden’s border policies on Gab just weeks later, in early February 2021.
Why is the FBI Deputy Director lying under oath about Thomas Matthew Crooks’ views to Congress and the American people?”
Now about that recent post you put up on Facebook which implied Trump was an Epstein pal. Was that also just “an honest question” as well? You clearly implied Trump was guilty of something nefarious, when that has already been thoroughly debunked.
Some her may not have seen it, but I did, hence my questioning your motives here.
Oh have mercy we all know the personality and quirks of Trump. If some choose to believe he wants to be a dictator so be it. He doesn’t and the left wants the world to believe he does!
And I believe as we have been on this blog for years, we know each other rather well and how we might respond to certain posts.
Also note Kizzie when I posted the debunking of that smear you posted on Facebook, I didn’t mention who I saw it from. I wasn’t looking to single you out.
But now that some feel the need to call out what they perceived as unfair to you, I think it’s relevant to this discussion and my point about the “gotcha” nonsense. The Facebook post is a perfect example of what I’m talking about.
And if you think someone posted something inaccurate or untrue, you have the ability to refute it. I don’t limit anyone’s speech. Link away, explain why we’re wrong. We’re adults and can discuss and decide which side is right on our own, each individually.
The only point I made there was that some Trump supporters are sharing faked photos of Harris and Epstein, while there are actual photos of Trump and Epstein.
BTW, I purposely did not share that on this blog. If you don’t mind, please do not comment to me on here about what I shared there but not here. (You have done that before.) Feel free to comment as much as you like on my FB posts.
(YA used to not comment on my FB posts, but then would make her own post on her page, debating my point. She wanted to make her point to me – and her like-minded friends – without having to maybe debate my friends who might reply to her.)
“I even said that I didn’t think it could mean what he seemed to be saying,”is what I was asking about.
To whom did it seem he was saying what? Using other sources who have claimed he was going to be a tyrant, I guessed that was what you were alluding to. But by saying it that way, it appeared that was your initial take and you were trying to reject that. It was confusing to me so I answered what I thought you meant.
the real, I have also noticed some of those questions appear on here.
I will also say, I do not do Facebook for a number of reasons. One of which is the frequent referrals on here about Facebook “discussions”. Without going there, it does not sound like a healthy place to go. But I do like this community. I generally enjoy the exchange of ideas. I like the sources you bring in, they are not my usual sources. And I like hearing different takes on the news.
Funny, DJ! I have spent years not looking at the news thread on here more than about once a month as it appeared too contentious! It has glitches but overall I believe the tenor is much improved. Perspective.
“Yesterday, I posted this (but please read below it here): . ~ “Public Service Announcement: . The photos of Kamala Harris with Jeffrey Epstein are fakes. (At least the ones I have seen have been.) . However, there are legitimate photos of Donald Trump with Jeffrey Epstein.” ~ . My aim was not to make an accusation against Trump, but to point out that it was not right for some of his supporters to share faked photos to cast aspersions on the opposition while there are actual photos of Trump and Epstein. On a different forum, a FB friend who saw my post has taken me to task for that, saying that the stories of Epstein supplying Trump with young women have been debunked. . I have not dug into the story deep enough to know one way or the other, but I offer this as a mea culpa for possibly casting aspersions where they should not be cast.“
Why would I do that and bring on the wrath of your Never Trump Facebook pals, those who “liked” your comment and others? No offense, but I have better things to do.
And again, I didn’t name you when debunking it. I didn’t name you when I mentioned it. But then you escalated things and I saw a need to explain it, and why I might question the motives behind some of your other “questions.”
AJ – I had suspected that that post yesterday was in response to my FB post, but I did not point that out here, and I did not comment about that issue on here, either. I let it go.
Did you consider my asking the question about Trump’s words “escalating” things? Or something else?
I am not one of those who are so entrenched on one side or the other that I can’t think someone was wrong in one matter, but wonder about another matter. I don’t have that kind of black-or-white thinking, and I try not to put people in boxes.
BTW, I have a mix of anti-Trump and pro-Trump FB friends.
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Mumsee – Many FB discussions devolve into a mess. But I am blessed to have a small handful of FB friends who have very interesting and mostly respectful discussions on their posts. It is refreshing and enlightening.
~ In the midst of a high-tension election year in America, a crucial question emerges for Christians: to whom, or to what, are we really pledging allegiance? Can our identity as followers of Jesus fit neatly into binary partisan affiliations? What does it mean to pledge our allegiance to a ruler who is not of this world while meaningfully engaging with the world at a civic level? ~
My concern is more for the church at large — is this kind of “political” division going on behind the scenes widely? If so, we should be more focused on that, on how this all may be impacting and influencing not only our own faith but the faith of those around us.
Politics will come and go. It is what it is.
But we are in a very difficult season in the US and I don’t see it subsiding soon. Heaven help us if this election is as close as it appears it could be.
The questions of ‘How, then, shall we live’ should start to come up among us and the church at large.
I’m not seeing the answers too often on “X” (though, again, it depends on whom you are following).
Having watched today’s hearing on the assassination attempt only further confirms to me that the SS and FBI are involved in a massive cover-up of what happened on July 13th.
Ah I would suggest we are very much different from the “world” Just because we challenge.exhort, and at times say “hold on there” it does not equate us with those walking in darkness. Make no doubt I deeply believe and trust in the walk believers on here have. Some on here have been offensive in their judgements against me and others but it just helps me to know where they are coming from.
And indeed Tychicus it is rather clear they are complicit! Covering up is what they must do to save their hides.
I never saw a response to my sincere speculation about what I thought about Trump’s comment. If someone disagrees about my point of view then it would be nice to get a response such as I hear what you are saying but I don’t think that is what he meant because . . .
When one comments and it is not acknowledged then it feels like, why go to the bother to answer a question. It feels like being discounted or set up to be discounted by a baited question, IMHO. But perhaps I am just overly sensitive. The legitimate answers to the question got no discussion because they weren’t worthy answers that would fit with what the asker hoped to hear.
Janice – Your comment, I think, was at the end or near the end of a long day, and I did not think it sounded like you were looking for a response. There have been other comments I have not responded to due to forgetfulness or whatnot in the midst of other responses.
The “asker” did not “hope to hear” a specific answer other than something that would give a little more insight than that he was just kidding. (He did not come across as kidding, but I also can’t imagine that he was actually serious. So what does that leave?) Then the discussion turned to focus more on why I was asking the question in the first place.
Your comment above does the same thing with what I just mentioned (“what the asker hoped to hear”) and the part about “a baited question” (which I have said again and again was not my intent).
To illustrate my point about forgetting to respond to comments, re-reading through, I see that I forgot to respond to Mumsee.
Mumsee – You asked what I meant by “I even said that I didn’t think it could mean what he seemed to be saying.” I was referring to Trump’s remarks that to a group of Christians that they would not have to vote anymore after this election. (Or were you asking about something a little different?)
“My concern is more for the church at large — is this kind of “political” division going on behind the scenes widely? ”
I suspect the American church is undergoing a shaking. God refines his people in lots of ways. For my part, I pray that the shaking doesn’t stop until his work in us is done and we are again capable of producing good fruit. I pray that he preserve us as we go through the refining fire. His Church is in good hands, as ever.
Mumsee – Oh, okay. Now I see what you are asking. Sorry that it escaped me earlier.
To me, saying to an audience that they are not going to have to vote anymore sounds like there will be no more voting. There are some who are indeed taking it that way. Although I do not like him, I can’t believe that he would actually be signaling that he would take over as a dictator.
It was just a very odd thing to say. In one of the earlier posts today, AJ says that the last two seconds of the video he linked to shows that Trump was joking. I have watched two videos several times and don’t see any clue in the last two seconds. (Not saying that he wasn’t joking, but that video did not let on that he was, that I could see.)
I’m really over this now. I just keep commenting in response to others replying to me or whatnot.
Debra, the church indeed has seen tougher times and will remain standing (which is why I’ve gone back to reading about the church in exile, both in the past and now as I view it). But you may be right, there could be a deliberate shaking going on that God has brought in terms of forcing us to sort out our true priorities/purpose and mission.
Thank you, Kizzie. I am glad I finally made myself clear! I probably interpreted it according to my own understanding of the man and missed the tyrant idea entirely. Again: perspective.
Indeed. I researched Rowe when he took over. He has nothing but high praise for his predecessor and is her greatest cheerleader. They worked closely and he had utmost confidence in her direction. They truly believe the American people are idiots.
Concerning the church and political participation. All and I mean all of my close friends have their priorities set. Leaning on our Lord in every step taken and most certainly in whom our trust is placed. I see these friends engaging with other believers who happen to not agree on many levels. Heck I was kicked out of a couple book clubs when responding to my take on certain books read. I am a firm believer that when prompted to share your deeply held take on something go ahead. If others don’t like it prepare to defend your position. It certainly does not make you lesser of a believer as some might suggest.
If any of the slanderous lies your friend David is peddling were true, the media would be all over it. But they aren’t. Ask yourself why that is. They aren’t protecting Trump, they know it’s false. Please don’t fall for such gossip, libel, and slander.
I am late to the conversation here of the last few days, so this may no longer be of interest to anyone. In case I’m wrong about that, though, I’ll post a link for anyone who might like to check out one writer’s take on what she believes Trump meant in that address to Christians that some here were wondering about.
I don’t think anyone posted this link; my apologies if it has already been posted.
Disclaimer: I’m not expressing any opinion of the rightness or wrongness or anything-in-between-ness of the article’s contents. 😉 You are welcome to discuss it, of course, or not, and that’s fine; I’ll simply enjoy hearing any thoughts of yours if some are offered. I’m pretty clueless about politics lately, though I did check this blog after I’d heard about the assassination attempt on Trump in Pennsylvania. When it was reported there were injuries and deaths, I was concerned about whether AJ might have been at that rally.
Sorry. Looks like the link didn’t work, and I have no idea how to use those tools visible above the comment box.
The article is at American Thinker dot com, and is entitled, Calm down, Democrats: Trump did not tell Christians he’ll be a dictator, published July 28.
It’s getting late here, and I need to be up at 5:30 tomorrow. Ugh. Will try to make this brief, and am hoping to be helpful, remarking on a couple other things regarding dialogue on recent days’ news/politics threads.
First, about the rolling-eyes emoji from this weekend (if that can be called dialogue, which, actually, I don’t think it can when it’s in a wordless post): Kizzie, my first impression of that emoji-only post gave me a feeling that it was in response to Debra’s post immediately preceding it (seven minutes before). I didn’t get the sense that it was specifically directed to you, or a reaction to any thing(s) you’d said earlier.
I could be wrong, though. With anonymous comments, it’s anyone’s guess who is who. And my guess wouldn’t be as good, as I rarely do anything more than skim on that thread.
But it does seem like people either quote part of the post they’re referencing or else list the time stamp of the post they’re referencing when there are intervening posts between them. That’s why I thought the emoji was in response to Debra’s post. (I’ll also add she had a good point not only about Trump acting like a juvenile at times, but that none of us is immune to such behavior all the time.) I believe all of us here recognize that we do not always function in the most mature manner. Refinement and sanctification being ongoing matters, of course, as the Spirit works in us.)
Please pardon my preaching, and alliteration. 🙂 I know you all know all of this, but my fingers are flying now, lol. Quieter on the laptop keyboard than on the piano keyboard at 11pm!
Anyway… my other comment now, regarding bringing Facebook or other social media discussions over here: reading about drama from elsewhere on the internet is rather annoying, imo. I’m not talking about comments like, “I loved seeing your vacation pictures on Facebook!” or the like, btw. I’m referring to comments like, “So-and-so at this other site is nasty;” “So-and-so’s polite and respectful comment was shredded to pieces.” Etc. [That’s the gist; I’m not making direct quotes, as I have thankfully forgotten the details.] 🙂
Those of us not on social media are missing context when a fragment of a heated discussion or a summary of it gets put over here, and those of us on both social media and here have to wade through certain discussions twice, in part or in its entirety.
I don’t see that as productive for all of us as busy people doing important work, but that is my own opinion.
Wandering Views 
No news is good news! I know, it’s still early. A blank slate at 9:30 a.m. is a joy to behold. I told Art this morning that we could turn on the local news and find more news of murders than that Midsommer program on PBS has. It’s amazing there are any people left in Midsommer.
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Oops! I misspelled it!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midsomer_Murders
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This is what election interference looks like.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1817997368442106070?t=Pp51m_rkrLvi8VCDQ-Hrpg&s=19
“*searches Donald Trump*
*only gets news about Kamala Harris”
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More election interference from big tech….
https://x.com/catturd2/status/1818240233323766164?t=ZMRDAXMzHR6_eWpe049LOg&s=19
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What’s weird is how all these clowns parrot one another. All running with the latest Dem talking point, of course.
https://x.com/RubinReport/status/1818083579445866884?t=l5n-pAHjvJARTIgt2_fMqA&s=19
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The media is a joke, and in collusion with Dems. See above.
Why do they hate us they ask….?
This. This is why. You suck, you lie daily, and you’re as biased as it gets. You make a mockery of your “profession” on a daily basis.
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Pollyanna wants a cracker!
🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜
https://x.com/unhealthytruth/status/1818112338148385069?t=lKsyHq8X_5Q7jGMdNgkKow&s=19
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At least twice in the last few weeks I’ve watched as Kizzie asked a question looking for clarity, and then been jumped on and belittled by people who made assumptions about what she was thinking and why she was asking.
Stop it. That’s not how we should treat each other. If you have an answer to the question, offer your answer. If you have speculation about what the answer might be, share your speculation. But don’t jump on a person for asking, and don’t assume you know why they asked or what they were thinking.
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Another lawfare scam fails….
https://x.com/Real_RobN/status/1818089452151140651?t=PHuZQNujldPvKGAwBi2m3A&s=19
“And here she is, VINDICATED at a court of law.
In a 24-page ruling by the Texas Court of Appeals, the court rules the Texas Bar failed to prove Sidney Powell acted in “dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation” in the four lawsuits she filed against the overthrow of the U.S. government on Nov 3, 2020.
The court even caught the Bar lying its ass off.
A: “By its own admission, the Bar misidentified or failed to include multiple exhibits it claims to have relied on in its Second Amended Response,”
B: “The deficiencies go far beyond mislabeling exhibits.”
C: “The Bar not only failed to cite to or argue about any additional documents — the documents are not mentioned at all.”
D: “You have to be a damn fool, and abjectly stupid not to see what happened here.” The opinion added.
📝 By the way, what she is simply saying here 👇 that the United States intelligence community were in on it.”
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When they tell you who they are and what they support, believe them.
https://x.com/bonchieredstate/status/1818082924480397568?t=jPLEgKfRMAK6d6nzbqY8jQ&s=19
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“They should mix up the propaganda more. This is way too obvious.
Just like when they were parroting before the debate that Biden was “sharp as a tack” 🤣”
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1818085240595693728?t=ZilluVjstMneKgZqVsZQKw&s=19
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But Vance is the weird one….
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1817708989184188508?t=jc7fQXwnElmecZuELPctxQ&s=19
https://x.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/status/1817855165086539834?t=nI09DNBpcZ_RO9AQVlrVmA&s=19
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“The two seconds at the end that @WSJ edited out is the difference between the corporate media’s manufactured “dictator” narrative and an obvious joke.”
https://x.com/watchTENETnow/status/1817611138500092400?t=LHz7xNCkLEqG59n1H-hgAw&s=19
But the “gotcha” crowd that jumped on this doesn’t get humor I guess.
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Kevin, I’m sorry but I disagree. No one is belittling anyone here. Kizzie often brings things of value to our attention. But these are informal conversations, and no one is entitled to a satisfactory answer to their questions. Kizzie brought up a question, and I responded. She need not be satisfied with the answer, but she has no justification to complain that she was just blown off. She wasn’t. I’m not walking on eggshells for any healthy person because I believe it’s unhealthy for me and for them as well.
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Thank you, Kevin.
These threads and the behavior remind me of something I read recently from Tim Alberta:
~ I have described politics being to the Christian oftentimes, like Las Vegas is to the suburban dad. Which is to say that it is a self-contained escape where the rules of their everyday life do not apply. So the way that you would treat your neighbor, the way that you would treat your coworker, the way that you treat your spouse in your everyday life, and your own sort of personal ethics around alcohol, around sexual sin, all of those things, right? Well, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, right? It’s this escape. And politics has become that escape for far too many Christians.
Why do we create this permission structure to say that in politics, we can talk in ways, behave in ways that would never transfer over to any other area of our life? We adopt this zero sum, ends-justify-the-means mentality in politics, that we don’t adopt anywhere else. And so when I’m talking with young people in particular, what I always try to emphasize is that what happens in politics does not stay in politics. That everybody can see you. ~
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I talk to you guys the way I would talk to my brother or sister. Do you really need special treatment?
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Kevin’s comment: well said.
if the shoe does not fit, don’t try to wear it.
From my view, I asked Kizzie for her perspective, why she brought up the question. Did she take it as meaning he was going to become a tyrant for his remaining few years on earth? Had she heard others saying that was what hw meant but not her opinion? I thought mine was also a legitimate question.
I also tried to give a clear answer of what I thought he meant.
mumsee
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As to talking with each other like we talk to our brothers and sisters: the problem is lack of body language and family history so nuances are not understood. We are, generally, talking with the people we will be spending eternity with. We share a love of God and need to treat each other in that regard. Sneers, scoffing, name calling are out of line. Disagreement is fine and should happen. But it can be done respectfully.
mumsee
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Not gonna say much here lest I be accused of being mean or unkind.
When you come in with “gotcha” questions and comments about a man your dislike for is well known, are you not the one causing strife? You’re looking to get a rise, so don’t act shocked or offended when you get one.
Lets face it, some people will believe whatever lies the media tell them, and make conclusions about a man they already dislike based upon it. I don’t feel an obligation to play along.
And it’s not just here. Facebook is a perfect example of this, hence my debunking once again of the smear about Trump and Epstein.
Some people buy the lies because they want it to be true for reasons of personal affirmation on their choices and feelings. Again, I don’t feel a need to play along nicely with such nonsense.
I will now shut up.
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Well said, mumsee.
The question that was asked about Trump’s comment was a very legitimate one, however, and one that has prompted no shortage of discussion more widely in the country (as it should).
What did he mean? Who knows.
Either way, Trump loves the attention and it works on that level for him. Many of us are simply growing weary of the schtick.
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But muh narrative…..
https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1818317434098491670?t=oevm3vXAeqV-cbMI0LMMNQ&s=19
“Left wing commentator says JD Vance only wants white babies in America. Except his own three kids are mixed race. Whoops.”
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Re: “When you come in with “gotcha” questions and comments about a man your dislike for is well known, are you not the one causing strife? You’re looking to get a rise, so don’t act shocked or offended when you get one.”
That is putting an ungracious spin on what I said. I tried to make it clear that I was asking an honest question, not making assumptions. I even said that I didn’t think it could mean what he seemed to be saying.
If anything questioning Trump is a considered to be a “gotcha” question, then no one can ask honest questions here.
“Some people buy the lies because they want it to be true for reasons of personal affirmation on their choices and feelings.”
That applies to many of the posts shared on here.
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Kevin – Thank you.
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“When they tell you who they are and what they support, believe them.”
Kind of ironic.
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Watching the hearing on the assassination. The USSS and FBI are in CYA mode, and it looks like they’re lying under oath. AGAIN.
https://x.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1818320429947482188?t=94mxJTFqKDbXtJMv7lTPwQ&s=19
BREAKING: Gab founder @basedtorba just released an FBI Emergency Disclosure Request (EDR) that names Thomas Matthew Crooks’s Biden-supporting social media account after FBI Deputy Director Paul Abbate falsely testified under oath to Congress.
According to his Gab account, Crooks supported Biden, lockdowns, and Biden’s border policies.
FBI Deputy Director Paul Abbate just told Congress that “an account believed to be associated with the shooter” had posted 700 comments in 2019 and 2020 with “anti-Semitic and anti-immigration” views.
“While the investigative team is still working to verify this account to determine if it did, in fact, belong to the shooter, we believe it important to share and note it today, particularly given the general absence of other information to date from social media that reflect on the shooter’s potential motive and mindset.”
However, the FBI’s request to Gab specifically identified Thomas Matthew Crooks’s account as “epicMicrowave,” which had posted comments completely opposite to what the FBI just told Congress.
Moreover, Crooks donated $15 to a progressive PAC on January 20, 2021, and posted comments supporting Joe Biden’s border policies on Gab just weeks later, in early February 2021.
Why is the FBI Deputy Director lying under oath about Thomas Matthew Crooks’ views to Congress and the American people?”
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Ok Kizzie, fair enough.
Now about that recent post you put up on Facebook which implied Trump was an Epstein pal. Was that also just “an honest question” as well? You clearly implied Trump was guilty of something nefarious, when that has already been thoroughly debunked.
Some her may not have seen it, but I did, hence my questioning your motives here.
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Oh have mercy we all know the personality and quirks of Trump. If some choose to believe he wants to be a dictator so be it. He doesn’t and the left wants the world to believe he does!
And I believe as we have been on this blog for years, we know each other rather well and how we might respond to certain posts.
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Also note Kizzie when I posted the debunking of that smear you posted on Facebook, I didn’t mention who I saw it from. I wasn’t looking to single you out.
But now that some feel the need to call out what they perceived as unfair to you, I think it’s relevant to this discussion and my point about the “gotcha” nonsense. The Facebook post is a perfect example of what I’m talking about.
And if you think someone posted something inaccurate or untrue, you have the ability to refute it. I don’t limit anyone’s speech. Link away, explain why we’re wrong. We’re adults and can discuss and decide which side is right on our own, each individually.
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The only point I made there was that some Trump supporters are sharing faked photos of Harris and Epstein, while there are actual photos of Trump and Epstein.
BTW, I purposely did not share that on this blog. If you don’t mind, please do not comment to me on here about what I shared there but not here. (You have done that before.) Feel free to comment as much as you like on my FB posts.
(YA used to not comment on my FB posts, but then would make her own post on her page, debating my point. She wanted to make her point to me – and her like-minded friends – without having to maybe debate my friends who might reply to her.)
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AJ – You may not limit anyone’s speech, but you are often rude and dismissive in your replies.
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Kizzie at 12:41
“I even said that I didn’t think it could mean what he seemed to be saying,”is what I was asking about.
To whom did it seem he was saying what? Using other sources who have claimed he was going to be a tyrant, I guessed that was what you were alluding to. But by saying it that way, it appeared that was your initial take and you were trying to reject that. It was confusing to me so I answered what I thought you meant.
mumsee
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I was just going to say something about that … @1:07.
This thread and the behavior has devolved to a surprising degree. I’m sorry, but it simply has.
I guess we aren’t so different from the world after all. 😦
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the real, I have also noticed some of those questions appear on here.
I will also say, I do not do Facebook for a number of reasons. One of which is the frequent referrals on here about Facebook “discussions”. Without going there, it does not sound like a healthy place to go. But I do like this community. I generally enjoy the exchange of ideas. I like the sources you bring in, they are not my usual sources. And I like hearing different takes on the news.
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Funny, DJ! I have spent years not looking at the news thread on here more than about once a month as it appeared too contentious! It has glitches but overall I believe the tenor is much improved. Perspective.
mumsee
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AJ – I just posted this on Facebook:
“Yesterday, I posted this (but please read below it here):
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~ “Public Service Announcement:
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The photos of Kamala Harris with Jeffrey Epstein are fakes. (At least the ones I have seen have been.)
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However, there are legitimate photos of Donald Trump with Jeffrey Epstein.” ~
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My aim was not to make an accusation against Trump, but to point out that it was not right for some of his supporters to share faked photos to cast aspersions on the opposition while there are actual photos of Trump and Epstein. On a different forum, a FB friend who saw my post has taken me to task for that, saying that the stories of Epstein supplying Trump with young women have been debunked.
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I have not dug into the story deep enough to know one way or the other, but I offer this as a mea culpa for possibly casting aspersions where they should not be cast.“
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Kizzie,
Why would I do that and bring on the wrath of your Never Trump Facebook pals, those who “liked” your comment and others? No offense, but I have better things to do.
And again, I didn’t name you when debunking it. I didn’t name you when I mentioned it. But then you escalated things and I saw a need to explain it, and why I might question the motives behind some of your other “questions.”
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AJ – I had suspected that that post yesterday was in response to my FB post, but I did not point that out here, and I did not comment about that issue on here, either. I let it go.
Did you consider my asking the question about Trump’s words “escalating” things? Or something else?
I am not one of those who are so entrenched on one side or the other that I can’t think someone was wrong in one matter, but wonder about another matter. I don’t have that kind of black-or-white thinking, and I try not to put people in boxes.
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AJ – I hope you saw my comment above your 1:32.
BTW, I have a mix of anti-Trump and pro-Trump FB friends.
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Mumsee – Many FB discussions devolve into a mess. But I am blessed to have a small handful of FB friends who have very interesting and mostly respectful discussions on their posts. It is refreshing and enlightening.
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Yes, mumsee, perspective.
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Interesting questions:
~ In the midst of a high-tension election year in America, a crucial question emerges for Christians: to whom, or to what, are we really pledging allegiance? Can our identity as followers of Jesus fit neatly into binary partisan affiliations? What does it mean to pledge our allegiance to a ruler who is not of this world while meaningfully engaging with the world at a civic level? ~
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My concern is more for the church at large — is this kind of “political” division going on behind the scenes widely? If so, we should be more focused on that, on how this all may be impacting and influencing not only our own faith but the faith of those around us.
Politics will come and go. It is what it is.
But we are in a very difficult season in the US and I don’t see it subsiding soon. Heaven help us if this election is as close as it appears it could be.
The questions of ‘How, then, shall we live’ should start to come up among us and the church at large.
I’m not seeing the answers too often on “X” (though, again, it depends on whom you are following).
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Having watched today’s hearing on the assassination attempt only further confirms to me that the SS and FBI are involved in a massive cover-up of what happened on July 13th.
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Ah I would suggest we are very much different from the “world” Just because we challenge.exhort, and at times say “hold on there” it does not equate us with those walking in darkness. Make no doubt I deeply believe and trust in the walk believers on here have. Some on here have been offensive in their judgements against me and others but it just helps me to know where they are coming from.
And indeed Tychicus it is rather clear they are complicit! Covering up is what they must do to save their hides.
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I just recently finished reading a short book on that by Jesse Johnson. Some might find it helpful in discerning that.
City of Man, Kingdom of God: Why Christians Respect, Obey, and Resist Government
mumsee
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I never saw a response to my sincere speculation about what I thought about Trump’s comment. If someone disagrees about my point of view then it would be nice to get a response such as I hear what you are saying but I don’t think that is what he meant because . . .
When one comments and it is not acknowledged then it feels like, why go to the bother to answer a question. It feels like being discounted or set up to be discounted by a baited question, IMHO. But perhaps I am just overly sensitive. The legitimate answers to the question got no discussion because they weren’t worthy answers that would fit with what the asker hoped to hear.
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Janice – Your comment, I think, was at the end or near the end of a long day, and I did not think it sounded like you were looking for a response. There have been other comments I have not responded to due to forgetfulness or whatnot in the midst of other responses.
The “asker” did not “hope to hear” a specific answer other than something that would give a little more insight than that he was just kidding. (He did not come across as kidding, but I also can’t imagine that he was actually serious. So what does that leave?) Then the discussion turned to focus more on why I was asking the question in the first place.
Your comment above does the same thing with what I just mentioned (“what the asker hoped to hear”) and the part about “a baited question” (which I have said again and again was not my intent).
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To illustrate my point about forgetting to respond to comments, re-reading through, I see that I forgot to respond to Mumsee.
Mumsee – You asked what I meant by “I even said that I didn’t think it could mean what he seemed to be saying.” I was referring to Trump’s remarks that to a group of Christians that they would not have to vote anymore after this election. (Or were you asking about something a little different?)
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Kizzie, I got that. What I did not get was “it could mean what he seemed to be saying”. What did you think he seemed to be saying.
mumsee
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Kizzie, in other words, I told you what I heard him saying. Is that what you heard or did you hear something else?
mumsee
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“My concern is more for the church at large — is this kind of “political” division going on behind the scenes widely? ”
I suspect the American church is undergoing a shaking. God refines his people in lots of ways. For my part, I pray that the shaking doesn’t stop until his work in us is done and we are again capable of producing good fruit. I pray that he preserve us as we go through the refining fire. His Church is in good hands, as ever.
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They know who is responsible for this debacle, and they’re protecting them.
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1818328451067080956?t=KiB2L9OVsGzK9zaI-ohg7A&s=19
“Josh Hawley BREAKS disgraced US Secret Service Director after forcing him to admit there has been NO punishment after Trump was shot in the head:
“The Former President was SHOT! FIRE SOMEBODY! I can’t believe you would say you are being ‘persecuted.’ We’ve got people who are DEAD!”
Listen to the room GASP:”
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Someone has a guilty conscience, and he’s lashing out.
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1818325313467842949?t=TkEzKpdRALCJK_RvXm3xPQ&s=19
“Senator Ted Cruz just ENDED the career of Disgraced Secret Service Director on LIVE-TV:
“The Secret Service LIED to the American people about protecting President Trump and you have FIRED no one!?”
Director SNAPS, begins shaking & screaming”
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Amen, Debra.
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Mumsee – Oh, okay. Now I see what you are asking. Sorry that it escaped me earlier.
To me, saying to an audience that they are not going to have to vote anymore sounds like there will be no more voting. There are some who are indeed taking it that way. Although I do not like him, I can’t believe that he would actually be signaling that he would take over as a dictator.
It was just a very odd thing to say. In one of the earlier posts today, AJ says that the last two seconds of the video he linked to shows that Trump was joking. I have watched two videos several times and don’t see any clue in the last two seconds. (Not saying that he wasn’t joking, but that video did not let on that he was, that I could see.)
I’m really over this now. I just keep commenting in response to others replying to me or whatnot.
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Debra, the church indeed has seen tougher times and will remain standing (which is why I’ve gone back to reading about the church in exile, both in the past and now as I view it). But you may be right, there could be a deliberate shaking going on that God has brought in terms of forcing us to sort out our true priorities/purpose and mission.
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Thank you, Kizzie. I am glad I finally made myself clear! I probably interpreted it according to my own understanding of the man and missed the tyrant idea entirely. Again: perspective.
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More on the new stooge at USSS having a meltdown.
https://x.com/mrddmia/status/1818346443234762985?t=WHN038nSumWJg3tURNaXMw&s=19
“FYI, Acting Secret Service Director Ronald L. Rowe, Jr. worked for:
1. Obama White House
2. Senate Judiciary Chairman Pat Leahy (D-VT)
Don’t let him pretend he is a career, non-partisan law-enforcement official.
He’s a former partisan Democrat”
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4:35, I did not see the director shaking, screaming, snapping. He was agitated and voice elevated but no more than Cruz.
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Indeed. I researched Rowe when he took over. He has nothing but high praise for his predecessor and is her greatest cheerleader. They worked closely and he had utmost confidence in her direction. They truly believe the American people are idiots.
Concerning the church and political participation. All and I mean all of my close friends have their priorities set. Leaning on our Lord in every step taken and most certainly in whom our trust is placed. I see these friends engaging with other believers who happen to not agree on many levels. Heck I was kicked out of a couple book clubs when responding to my take on certain books read. I am a firm believer that when prompted to share your deeply held take on something go ahead. If others don’t like it prepare to defend your position. It certainly does not make you lesser of a believer as some might suggest.
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Kizzie,
If any of the slanderous lies your friend David is peddling were true, the media would be all over it. But they aren’t. Ask yourself why that is. They aren’t protecting Trump, they know it’s false. Please don’t fall for such gossip, libel, and slander.
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Don’t worry, AJ. I am still skeptical.
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Good.
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I am late to the conversation here of the last few days, so this may no longer be of interest to anyone. In case I’m wrong about that, though, I’ll post a link for anyone who might like to check out one writer’s take on what she believes Trump meant in that address to Christians that some here were wondering about.
I don’t think anyone posted this link; my apologies if it has already been posted.
Disclaimer: I’m not expressing any opinion of the rightness or wrongness or anything-in-between-ness of the article’s contents. 😉 You are welcome to discuss it, of course, or not, and that’s fine; I’ll simply enjoy hearing any thoughts of yours if some are offered. I’m pretty clueless about politics lately, though I did check this blog after I’d heard about the assassination attempt on Trump in Pennsylvania. When it was reported there were injuries and deaths, I was concerned about whether AJ might have been at that rally.
americanthinker.com/blog/2024/07/calm_down_democrats_trump_did_not_tell_christians_he_ll_be_a_dictator.html
~6
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Sorry. Looks like the link didn’t work, and I have no idea how to use those tools visible above the comment box.
The article is at American Thinker dot com, and is entitled, Calm down, Democrats: Trump did not tell Christians he’ll be a dictator, published July 28.
~6
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It’s getting late here, and I need to be up at 5:30 tomorrow. Ugh. Will try to make this brief, and am hoping to be helpful, remarking on a couple other things regarding dialogue on recent days’ news/politics threads.
First, about the rolling-eyes emoji from this weekend (if that can be called dialogue, which, actually, I don’t think it can when it’s in a wordless post): Kizzie, my first impression of that emoji-only post gave me a feeling that it was in response to Debra’s post immediately preceding it (seven minutes before). I didn’t get the sense that it was specifically directed to you, or a reaction to any thing(s) you’d said earlier.
I could be wrong, though. With anonymous comments, it’s anyone’s guess who is who. And my guess wouldn’t be as good, as I rarely do anything more than skim on that thread.
But it does seem like people either quote part of the post they’re referencing or else list the time stamp of the post they’re referencing when there are intervening posts between them. That’s why I thought the emoji was in response to Debra’s post. (I’ll also add she had a good point not only about Trump acting like a juvenile at times, but that none of us is immune to such behavior all the time.) I believe all of us here recognize that we do not always function in the most mature manner. Refinement and sanctification being ongoing matters, of course, as the Spirit works in us.)
Please pardon my preaching, and alliteration. 🙂 I know you all know all of this, but my fingers are flying now, lol. Quieter on the laptop keyboard than on the piano keyboard at 11pm!
Anyway… my other comment now, regarding bringing Facebook or other social media discussions over here: reading about drama from elsewhere on the internet is rather annoying, imo. I’m not talking about comments like, “I loved seeing your vacation pictures on Facebook!” or the like, btw. I’m referring to comments like, “So-and-so at this other site is nasty;” “So-and-so’s polite and respectful comment was shredded to pieces.” Etc. [That’s the gist; I’m not making direct quotes, as I have thankfully forgotten the details.] 🙂
Those of us not on social media are missing context when a fragment of a heated discussion or a summary of it gets put over here, and those of us on both social media and here have to wade through certain discussions twice, in part or in its entirety.
I don’t see that as productive for all of us as busy people doing important work, but that is my own opinion.
Peace and blessings to you all,
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Thanks, 6.
The American Thinker article:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/07/calm_down_democrats_trump_did_not_tell_christians_he_ll_be_a_dictator.html
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Thank you for your assistance in getting that link posted for me, Janice! I appreciate it. 🙂
~6
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