Trump came out in favor of Johnson shortly after he defected almost 2 weeks ago I believe. I didn’t read his post on Truth Social but husband did. Trump doesn’t understand the dynamics of Congress, Rand Paul does:
“Paul said, “People have to be strong in their convictions. He was seen as a conservative before he came to the speakership. He’s completely changed and lost all his principles on the idea that we shouldn’t spy on Americans without a warrant.”
He added, “Johnson hasn’t held his ground. He has power. He has a majority. Use the power of the purse, Speaker Johnson. Do something to make us think you are different than the Democrats, but so far, I don’t see a lot of difference.” “
There are and always have been issues with Trump. He’s rather shallow and petty at times and he seems to pride himself on being unpredictable. Right now he likes Johnson, but that may not last if the media keep referring to him as Winston Churchill.
The only real upside to a Trump presidency is and always has been his agenda. If he yields to his baser instincts and begins to fantasize himself a ‘war president’ with a ‘war speaker’, I would never support him. In fact, for the last couple of months we have been having conversations in our house about the election—not who to vote for but whether to vote at all. I still have more research to do on our representatives, and how they voted on FISA. To me, Johnson is already radioactive.
I was just talking to someone and the question came up: what war or prospective war has our country ever been involved in that Evangelicals as a general group did not support? I can’t think of any, but surely there must be one. Can anyone else?
Were Evangelicals for the war in Vietnam? I’m thinking they were against all the protests, but not sure they were for the war. I have no knpwledge of it one way or the other, but just thinking logically. Did Evangelicals want to send their sons to die in Vietnam?
Janice, I was wondering about Vietnam. I’m not sure there was a real cohesive Evangelical movement before the Moral Majority which came later. I remember Vietnam protests from the time I was in Middle School but I don’t recall a unified Evangelical position. I remember one day I was going to wear a headband around my head (Indian/hippie style) and my Dad saw it and made me take it off or wear it right. He said it was a symbol of rebellion—which it was I suppose, but I just thought it was cool. :–)
Mainline denominations were largely opposed to Vietnam.
And I’m not sure how “evangelicals” are defined, especially now. The Moral Majority, as Debra said, was probably the birth of that movement as a political force (check out “Blinded by Might” by Cal Thomas and Ed Dobson for a rather regretful look at what that all did to the faith – lessons we should still keep in mind when the faith becomes too attached to politics on either side).
“A federal judge overseeing former President Donald Trump’s classified documents case unsealed a new trove of documents on Monday, revealing the FBI’s code name for the investigation and how the FBI spoke about performing “loose surveillance” on the former president’s aircraft before an unprecedented raid in 2022.”
Now these people (like Rep. Benny Thompson) are actually trying to take away Pres. Trump’s Secret Service protection. They want the man dead – they are downright evil.
Both books above are cautionary tales for the church — Blinded by Might written by two of the leading figures in the early Moral Majority effort; it’s out of print but you can find used copies. The other book (The Kingdom, the Power and the Glory) was written more recently by a reporter who is a believer as well, the son of a pastor and raised in an evangelical church.
Interesting as it appears some evangelical churches are now going down the same path that was warned about by Thomas and Dobson.
I wonder if this is something that’s unique to churches in the US?
Dj I had heard of the Cal Thomas book and have ordered it. I think the question of whether or not this is unique to churches in the US is important.
Husband and I have embarked on an informal personal study together to try to answer that question —at least as much as we can. Sometimes is hard to see the truth of a matter when your reasoning is predicated on assumptions you have held for a lifetime.
There’s nothing that gives them the authority to demand I remove a video from my congressional account, but they are.
There is a fine in the rules for taking pictures/videos on the House floor, but they don’t know if I taped this, and democrats post from the floor frequently… pic.twitter.com/N0fD89Qr03
“There’s nothing that gives them the authority to demand I remove a video from my congressional account, but they are.
There is a fine in the rules for taking pictures/videos on the House floor, but they don’t know if I taped this, and democrats post from the floor frequently (example attached).
I believe to be fined, they have to serve you notice on the floor while it’s happening (that’s how I was fined for not wearing a mask).
Seems a bit creepy that the Sergeant at Arms would be on my X account three days later looking for an infraction. And how would deleting the video undo my alleged infraction of filming on the House floor? (It wouldn’t)
The uniparty is big mad at me for exposing them on several votes and for asking the Speaker to resign. The Speaker, his staff, or one of his allies in our conference is probably directing the Sergeant at Arms to do this.”
Senator Mike Lee confirms that $9 billion was passed by the House for the Palestinian leader.
The Republican led House deceitfully combined the $18 billion aid with $9 billion for Hamas giving the appearance that Israel would receive… https://t.co/xLn1B7icJ9
“Senator Mike Lee confirms that $9 billion was passed by the House for the Palestinian leader.
The Republican led House deceitfully combined the $18 billion aid with $9 billion for Hamas giving the appearance that Israel would receive $26 billion hiding the $9 billion to Gaza from the public interest.
$9 billion to the Palestinian leaders that will no doubt go to buy more munitions and food for the murderers of 32+ Americans while 10 American hostages are still unaccounted for.”
Ron Paul Trashes Speaker Mike Johnson in Stunning New Monologue
“Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is reported to have bragged to his colleagues about how easily Speaker Johnson gave Democrats everything they wanted and asked for nothing in return.”
“Ron Paul Trashes Speaker Mike Johnson in Stunning New Monologue“
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is reported to have bragged to his colleagues about how easily Speaker Johnson gave Democrats everything they wanted and asked for nothing in return.”
“In the worst example of bipartisanship, Johnson reached across the aisle, stiffed the Republican majority that elected him speaker, and pushed through a massive gift to the warfare corporate welfare state. After the House voted to send another $60 billion to notoriously corrupt Ukraine, members waved Ukrainian flags on the House floor and chanted, ‘Ukraine! Ukraine!’ While I find it distasteful and disgusting, in some ways, it seemed fitting.”@RonPaul”
TREASON? Why does the Republican Speaker of the House of Representatives want @RepThomasMassie to remove a video celebrating @SpeakerJohnson's greatest achievement? If you're going to betray your country and waive a foreign power's flag in your Capitol you ought to own it… https://t.co/UmkmEvHiFHpic.twitter.com/8HAwBykQLX
Debra @4:01, glad you were able to find “Blinded by Might,” I wish they had it on kindle.
Thomas seems to have gained a lot of wisdom in the aftermath of all of that (Alberta interviews him in his more recent book). I found Thomas an interesting voice now that the church seems to be repeating some of what that earlier movement experienced in its political passions.
Wandering Views 
Continuing the conversation from last night:
Trump came out in favor of Johnson shortly after he defected almost 2 weeks ago I believe. I didn’t read his post on Truth Social but husband did. Trump doesn’t understand the dynamics of Congress, Rand Paul does:
“Paul said, “People have to be strong in their convictions. He was seen as a conservative before he came to the speakership. He’s completely changed and lost all his principles on the idea that we shouldn’t spy on Americans without a warrant.”
He added, “Johnson hasn’t held his ground. He has power. He has a majority. Use the power of the purse, Speaker Johnson. Do something to make us think you are different than the Democrats, but so far, I don’t see a lot of difference.” “
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/he-ain-t-wrong-internet-divided-as-rand-paul-says-there-is-not-a-lot-of-difference-between-speaker-mike-johnson-and-democrats/ar-BB1lD9i2
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Rand Paul is one that I like, so will hold that thought.
mumsee
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There are and always have been issues with Trump. He’s rather shallow and petty at times and he seems to pride himself on being unpredictable. Right now he likes Johnson, but that may not last if the media keep referring to him as Winston Churchill.
The only real upside to a Trump presidency is and always has been his agenda. If he yields to his baser instincts and begins to fantasize himself a ‘war president’ with a ‘war speaker’, I would never support him. In fact, for the last couple of months we have been having conversations in our house about the election—not who to vote for but whether to vote at all. I still have more research to do on our representatives, and how they voted on FISA. To me, Johnson is already radioactive.
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I was just talking to someone and the question came up: what war or prospective war has our country ever been involved in that Evangelicals as a general group did not support? I can’t think of any, but surely there must be one. Can anyone else?
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Were Evangelicals for the war in Vietnam? I’m thinking they were against all the protests, but not sure they were for the war. I have no knpwledge of it one way or the other, but just thinking logically. Did Evangelicals want to send their sons to die in Vietnam?
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Janice, I was wondering about Vietnam. I’m not sure there was a real cohesive Evangelical movement before the Moral Majority which came later. I remember Vietnam protests from the time I was in Middle School but I don’t recall a unified Evangelical position. I remember one day I was going to wear a headband around my head (Indian/hippie style) and my Dad saw it and made me take it off or wear it right. He said it was a symbol of rebellion—which it was I suppose, but I just thought it was cool. :–)
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Mainline denominations were largely opposed to Vietnam.
And I’m not sure how “evangelicals” are defined, especially now. The Moral Majority, as Debra said, was probably the birth of that movement as a political force (check out “Blinded by Might” by Cal Thomas and Ed Dobson for a rather regretful look at what that all did to the faith – lessons we should still keep in mind when the faith becomes too attached to politics on either side).
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For a more updated look and warning at how politics can warp the faith — Tim Alberta, “The Kingdom, the Power and the Glory.”
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Just imagine what would happen if the Feds spent this much time and resources solving real crimes…
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/judge-unseals-documents-showing-fbi-discussed-loose-surveillance-of-trumps-plane-5635428
“A federal judge overseeing former President Donald Trump’s classified documents case unsealed a new trove of documents on Monday, revealing the FBI’s code name for the investigation and how the FBI spoke about performing “loose surveillance” on the former president’s aircraft before an unprecedented raid in 2022.”
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Now these people (like Rep. Benny Thompson) are actually trying to take away Pres. Trump’s Secret Service protection. They want the man dead – they are downright evil.
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Both books above are cautionary tales for the church — Blinded by Might written by two of the leading figures in the early Moral Majority effort; it’s out of print but you can find used copies. The other book (The Kingdom, the Power and the Glory) was written more recently by a reporter who is a believer as well, the son of a pastor and raised in an evangelical church.
Interesting as it appears some evangelical churches are now going down the same path that was warned about by Thomas and Dobson.
I wonder if this is something that’s unique to churches in the US?
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We were talking about the money going into this trial just yesterday. Amazing.
That is what I saw on the secret service protection but he probably has enough to hire protection. I disagree with taking it away from a president.
mumsee
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Dj I had heard of the Cal Thomas book and have ordered it. I think the question of whether or not this is unique to churches in the US is important.
Husband and I have embarked on an informal personal study together to try to answer that question —at least as much as we can. Sometimes is hard to see the truth of a matter when your reasoning is predicated on assumptions you have held for a lifetime.
Debra
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The left is an incestuous bunch…
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It’s weird how liberal Rs are OK with this. Meanwhile 10 million plus illegal invaders have overrun the US.
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This seems….. cowardly.
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“There’s nothing that gives them the authority to demand I remove a video from my congressional account, but they are.
There is a fine in the rules for taking pictures/videos on the House floor, but they don’t know if I taped this, and democrats post from the floor frequently (example attached).
I believe to be fined, they have to serve you notice on the floor while it’s happening (that’s how I was fined for not wearing a mask).
Seems a bit creepy that the Sergeant at Arms would be on my X account three days later looking for an infraction. And how would deleting the video undo my alleged infraction of filming on the House floor? (It wouldn’t)
The uniparty is big mad at me for exposing them on several votes and for asking the Speaker to resign. The Speaker, his staff, or one of his allies in our conference is probably directing the Sergeant at Arms to do this.”
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So is intentional deceit now a “Christian” value?
Asking for a friend.
“Senator Mike Lee confirms that $9 billion was passed by the House for the Palestinian leader.
The Republican led House deceitfully combined the $18 billion aid with $9 billion for Hamas giving the appearance that Israel would receive $26 billion hiding the $9 billion to Gaza from the public interest.
$9 billion to the Palestinian leaders that will no doubt go to buy more munitions and food for the murderers of 32+ Americans while 10 American hostages are still unaccounted for.”
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Lol. What a 🤡
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Ron Paul gets it.
“Ron Paul Trashes Speaker Mike Johnson in Stunning New Monologue“
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is reported to have bragged to his colleagues about how easily Speaker Johnson gave Democrats everything they wanted and asked for nothing in return.”
“In the worst example of bipartisanship, Johnson reached across the aisle, stiffed the Republican majority that elected him speaker, and pushed through a massive gift to the warfare corporate welfare state. After the House voted to send another $60 billion to notoriously corrupt Ukraine, members waved Ukrainian flags on the House floor and chanted, ‘Ukraine! Ukraine!’ While I find it distasteful and disgusting, in some ways, it seemed fitting.”@RonPaul”
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It’s Trump, or more of this.
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Be a man Mike. You did it, now own it.
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Debra @4:01, glad you were able to find “Blinded by Might,” I wish they had it on kindle.
Thomas seems to have gained a lot of wisdom in the aftermath of all of that (Alberta interviews him in his more recent book). I found Thomas an interesting voice now that the church seems to be repeating some of what that earlier movement experienced in its political passions.
Interesting times, to be sure.
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