“t’s becoming an all-too frequent occurrence, yet there are no mobs of white people burning, looting, and murdering in response to the beating deaths of white people and Jews at the hands of black and pro-Hamas criminals. Nor, of course, should there be.
The latest horrifying incident occurred in Las Vegas and saw a mob of approximately 15 black high school students beating a lone white high school boy. The victim, 17-year-old Jonathan Lewis, later died from his injuries. The crime is being investigated as murder.
Fox News reports:
A Las Vegas high school student died after he was severely beaten by a group of around 15 attackers.
Jonathan Lewis, a 17-year-old student of Rancho High School, died Tuesday, less than two weeks after an attack by the group of students outside the school, according to a KLAS report.
The teen’s father, also named Jonathan Lewis, confirmed his son’s death to the station. The grieving dad said his son kept to himself and lived in Las Vegas with his mother, though the teen planned to move to live with his father in Austin, Texas.
. . . . Lewis said the teen’s family has been told by investigators that they plan to charge several students who were involved in the fight with murder.”
New York City: Pro-Palestine rioters smashed up an NYPD vehicle at their protest coinciding with the anniversary of Kristallnacht. pic.twitter.com/FT9pmb2Z4D
Within just a couple days of the announcement of Xi Jinping’s meeting with Joe Biden next week at the APEC Summit in San Francisco, the crime, homelessness, filth, and open-air drug use that have plagued the city for years have been almost entirely erased. https://t.co/3ovPZJW6ez
Now is the time to visit San Francisco. The homeless were hearded out like cattle and the streets are spit-shined. The communists are hosting communists.
They managed to clean up San Francisco using existing budgets in just a matter of days to prepare for Xi’s visit. No one can explain why they couldn’t have done this a long time ago.
“You may think the recent Virginia election was about abortion, but follow the money. The wave of advertising on that issue was largely bankrolled by the renewable energy industry. This election was about energy and delivered to those special interests the legislature they needed to stay in control of that agenda.
Dominion Energy Virginia increased its donations to Virginia state politicians six-fold in just four years. The other major donors in the energy regulation arena, Clean Virginia Fund, and its founder, have done much the same. They are donating five times more in the 2023 election cycle than they did in the similar 2019 cycle.
The two political behemoths have donated about $23 million between them, compared to about $4 million four years ago. The totals really won’t be known until the final reports are due in the coming weeks. Throw in another $2 million from the League of Conservation Voters for good measure. Then the spouse of the Clean Virginia founder directly donated another $4.5 million in her own name.
While Dominion and Clean Virginia often disagree over regulatory issues, on many issues they are closely aligned. If any serious effort is put forward now to repeal or amend the Virginia Clean Economy Act, both will lobby against ending the net-zero targets. Both are keen for electric vehicles and will work to protect that mandate. Both strongly support Dominion’s offshore wind development and rapidly growing fleet of solar farms.
Virginia’s election laws are so porous, that the real spending amount may never be clear. In the last weekend, another round of mailings in favor of various candidates appeared from an advocacy group called Power for Tomorrow. It sent similar mailings out just before the June primary.
Reporting at that time noted that Dominion had provided funding for Power for Tomorrow, which basically is praising candidates who had voted for Dominion’s 2023 regulatory bill, which had its good and bad points. There is every reason to believe it is acting at Dominion’s behest and no question these mailers are intended to promote the candidates.
The Power for Tomorrow mailer appeared just one day after the State Corporation Commission implemented part of that bill, allowing Dominion to convert two years of unpaid fuel bills into a bond, and then make its ratepayers pay off the bond over 7 years.
Depending on the final interest rates on the deal, that will cost Virginians hundreds of millions of dollars in interest they otherwise would not owe. It removes a pesky $1.3 billion debt from the company’s balance sheet and replaces it with a quick infusion of free cash flow.
Keep those sums in mind as it helps explain what you will read next.
The Virginia Public Access Project’s most recent compilation shows Dominion’s 2022-23 total for donations at $12.8 million. Four years ago, when the House of Delegates and Virginia Senate were last both on the line, the total donated was a mere $2 million and change.
Clean Virginia was founded with the express mission of weaning Virginia politicians off of Dominion money. Its issue advocacy has included campaign finance reform, but it is also a lobbying group pushing wind, solar, and battery electricity generation and fighting to end fossil fuels. On the election reform front, it has merely started a bidding war for influence.
In this cycle, its total donations are up to $10 million and change. Four years ago, it donated less than $400,000. But its principal donor and leader is wealthy Charlottesville hedge fund founder Michael Bills, and in 2019 he mainly gave his money directly to candidates. Between them, the total was about $2 million, so the figure four years later is five times that amount.
This is equally astounding: four years ago, the largest sum Dominion gave to any individual candidate was $82,500. This time around, so far, 15 candidates have received more than $250,000, and the highest amount donated is almost $700,000. That went to an unopposed Democrat who may now be the new Speaker of the House. Clean Virginia’s largest donations exceed $600,000, including to two Democrats who won two of the most watched Senate seats.
Dominion’s money is fairly evenly divided between Republicans and Democrats. Clean Virginia over its years of giving has provided 98% to Democrats. So Dominion did fund some of the Republican messaging in response to the abortion attacks. In doing so, however, it cemented it relationship with those Republicans. Usually the Democrat in those cases was getting major Clean Virginia money so that nobody would vote against the joint agenda items. All bets were covered.
Four years ago, there was no Virginia Clean Economy Act, no mandatory renewable energy percentages, and no mandate to stop the sale of new gasoline vehicles. Four years ago, the $9.8 billion (or more) wind project was still in the planning stages and hadn’t filed for regulatory approval. Now the massive project is underway, one of the few in the U.S. still on track entirely due to its favorable regulatory environment. Those favorable rules were provided by these very same legislators.
A $23 million investment in keeping the legislature compliant and obedient makes perfect sense once you realize the billions and billions of dollars the transition to wind, solar, and battery will extract from Virginia’s residential and business ratepayers over the next decade. Dominion and Clean Virginia both understand return on investment.
This is the biggest mistake offshore wind developers in New Jersey and New York made, the ones that in recent weeks have backed out of various offshore wind deals. They failed to take the additional step of buying themselves a friendly legislature to write the procurement rules. Of course, those states both have campaign contribution limits in their laws, an inconvenience not faced by Dominion Energy or Clean Virginia.”
The rule of law these clowns are using is the 2 tiered system where only their political enemies are targeted.
Psaki: "If elected to a second term, Donald Trump would prosecute anyone he deems an enemy, unleash troops on protesters, and essentially unravel the rule of law as we know it … But sure, Joe Biden is 3 years older and occasionally trips over things." pic.twitter.com/4v2gHmHVQh
More proof how the #HamasNazis terrorize Gaza civilians. They steal the food from humanitarian aid trucks for their own and beat up civilians in the meantime. This is what those millions of protesters worldwide support. Not only the murder of Jews but also of the Gazans. https://t.co/9JR8BpEknK
Well said yesterday, mumsee, about those who cannot survive on their own.
God will not ask us about the legislation we support. He knows our hearts. If we have a true fear of God, we will ask him for his wisdom regardless of secular laws.
Haley is a war hawk. I don’t think many people seriously care about the babies and entire populations killed by our wars and funding of them, while we spend countless hours and dollars debating how to get rid of abortion. Fortunately we don’t need to choose between war or abortion because there is a very strong peace-living pro life candidate at the top of the GOP poll.
And how do you defend the statement: “I don’t think many people seriously care about the babies and entire populations killed by our wars and funding of them (while being anti-abortion)” – thanks, dj
Not trying to be provocative, just trying to understand the thinking here.
If we cared enough about our wars and the funding of them, we wouldn’t keep electing or promoting people who actively support them. Period. It’s not that difficult. It really isn’t.
We don’t see the difficulty when the topic is abortion, but somehow when it’s war and tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of lives are on the line, it somehow becomes above our pay grade.
Debra
Most here would not vote at all before they’d vote for a pro choice candidate. I don’t think there is a moral difference in voting pro abortion vs pro war. I have made that compromise before myself and it’s always turned out to be a bitter pill.
Then we go back to the question of what constitutes a just war, recognizing that we live in a fallen world where wars — just and unjust — will be a fact of life.
An isolationist view has prevailed from time to time (see the 1930s) but isn’t sustainable as an all-or-nothing position.
There will be times when evil and injustice will force the issue and a response no one “actively supports” is taken. It becomes the only or last resort. Some situations are worse than war, the hard lesson learned a few times in America’s past. -dj
From yesterday – he picked up pepper spray and used it on police officers. That’s assaulting a police officer. Yes, using police materials on the police is a long time protester tradition but it’s still an assault. Put the political point of view aside, its a felony.
DJ, In the first debate Haley pledged to continue sending money to Ukraine until Russia is defeated. That could add up to hundreds of millions that we can not afford for a war that is arguably unjust.
There is no need for people to become philosophers just to cast a vote, though it’s an interesting topic. But in a war as in abortion, lives are at stake. If you don’t know or have good reason to believe it’s a just war and also prudent, how can you vote to support it?
Debra
I’m speaking of legal abortion rules not my personal opinion . Secondly, the idea of viability includes the idea of medical assistance. Fetal viability by percent success increases dramatically between 20 and 24 weeks. When we speak of viability, we include medical and family assistance, hence no one would debate my 96 year old father’s right to life.
We usually agree on some issues but disagree on the solution. I don’t see Trump as anything as a self interested narcissist and as a trust fund baby who never matured.
I’ve opposed almost every US supported war until its support for Ukraine. Support for Ukraine is probably better than the alternative. I’d like to think I have some credibility in opposing war mongering, and my support for Ukraine should raise questions for those who see Ukraine support as a war hark position. Is pro Ukraine a pro life position? Compared to the alternative, yes it is.
Similarly, is gov;t health care and maternity leave a pro-life position – I would think yes even though one could have philosophical opposition to it.
Trump simply does not strike me as a peaceable spirit.
Spending money on a war should (and does) require a robust debate. As to a just vs an unjust war, that also should require some debate but often times is evident. That doesn’t mean one side is always pure and right, the other side always committing the evil.
War is brutal and no one is arguing that point. I don’t think anyone here hasn’t prayed and felt dismayed at the scenes of children and families — civilians on both sides caught in the mayhem — being injured, killed and mourning in deep grief.
That comes with most wars, which is what makes the situation so jarring and difficult.
But resolving to sit on the sidelines in every case — because figuring out if it’s a just cause or not is too difficult — isn’t a solution.
Was World War II a just war? For a long time the US was determined to stay clear as atrocities overseas were being carried out (in more ways than we knew at the time). After the war, the truth of the horrors that were done to innocents was more fully revealed.
No one argues it’s an easy decision or is a decision that should not be carefully and robustly debated.
But to imply that our default should be “none of our business” is short-sighted. The world is small and interconnected. What affects one often affects all, for good or ill.
As for individual Christians, I’m a strong supporter of a conscientious objector right. Because there is no draft, it’s an issue that isn’t as relevant as it once was. But years after the fact I knew some conscientious objectors in WWII who provided needed service in exchange on the homefront.
An uncle of mine served in WWII but as a medic, he did not carry a weapon. He was shot once — in the rear end — and survived. 🙂
I fully support believers who find it morally against their convictions to pick up a weapon and serve (and to potentially kill), even in a war that carries a just cause.
And I tend to agree mostly with HRW regarding Trump. His character in my view is suspect (putting it mildly and based on many reasons that have been all too public and evident through the years).
A cousin of mine, a couple years back, made the comment to me, “I don’t think he is a good man.”
Now that sounds simplistic — and as believers (she’s not) we know that no one is “good” in that ultimate sense of having no sin.
Ha. Now DJ, I doubt that anyone who’s ever read much of what I have to say would characterize my default as ‘none of our business’— rather the opposite I’m afraid.
But do you view the Ukraine war as a just war for us to be funding? And to support Hailey, wouldn’t you need to?
Not trying to put you on the spot, but if there is a reason to support that war I would like to hear it. Although, even if it were a just war (and I truly believe it is not) I wouldn’t find it to have been prudent to fund it for the past 2 years. In fact, I believe we’ve done grave damage to ourselves.
I do support the effort in Ukraine (which, remember, was attacked and invaded by Russia, they did not start this).
Again, the world is not disconnected and there are evil forces — and always will be — that will pose threats to other nations.
These events are not isolated (and I’m surprised you seem to think they are? but maybe I’m misunderstanding). There are forces and nations that are authoritarian and intend to extend that authority over others, often by force.
Russia may win its effort to take over Ukraine — and the other nations as well. Is that a good or acceptable trend?
I have to admit that I’m not as emotionally invested in this election as I have been in previous years. Partially because I believe some things have been done that an election or two can’t undo. (Once the toothpaste is out of the tube it pretty much requires the manufacturer to put it back in again. But our “manufacturer” is in control so I’m not going to worry. )
At this point I think it’s more important not to put too much trust in leaders—any leader, but rather in the One who holds their hearts in His hand.
Having said that, I will reiterate the moral importance of war–not just abortion, and the danger of supporting those with a propensity to see violence and unrest as a useful tool. Eventually those tools used so readily abroad to cause instability will find their way back home to us. In some cases they already have.
The idea that Trump, with his rather unstable, aggressive and easily-angered temperament, magically would keep us out of all wars strikes me as just naive.
I suspect he’d launch the fiercest of wars if provoked. -dj
DJ, that was exactly what everyone said in 2016. But in fact he had a good relationship with Russia, mitigated the threat from North Korea, and established the Abraham Accords. The Abraham Accord was the beginning of peace in the middle east until the current administration scuttled it. It’s wasn’t particularly good for the war hawks in either party.
Debra
Trump also had some very wise and good people around him who, I believe, kept him restrained and more on course. We might not see that in a 2nd administration. Trump, untethered, would be a different experience — and he’s talked about that openly already, in terms of going after his enemies and being “our” “retribution.”
He’s an angry man who seems bent on revenge.
God is sovereign over all, including the nations, so I also have peace that even with the election of someone who’s easily provoked we remain in God’s hands. All will be well, but that doesn’t mean God doesn’t allow nations, by their own choices, to go sideways and go through seasons of being battered.
The U.S. doesn’t seem very grounded to me at this point — spiritually, morally or in understanding the importance of wisdom and humility in its leaders.
Something like 70% of voters in polls have indicated they don’t want either Trump or Biden to be the two nominees, but here we are, headed straight for that national crack-up.
But the election cycle is still (sort of) early (though getting later fast). We also will have at least a few “third-party” candidates floating in the atmosphere that could tip the balance one way or the other.
God have mercy on our nation which seems to be so very angry and lost right now. -dj
“The idea that Trump, with his rather unstable, aggressive and easily-angered temperament, magically would keep us out of all wars strikes me as just naive.
I suspect he’d launch the fiercest of wars if provoked. -dj”
Holy cow Dj.
You do realize he kept us out of new conflicts and wars, and had numerous peace accords signed in the mid-east, right?
C’mon.
The war hawks are the establishment stooges you support. The uni-party RINOs.
Wandering Views 
Just imagine the media outrage if the colors were reversed.
“Las Vegas: Murder Investigation Opened Into Beating Death of 17-year-old White Student by Mob of Black Students
“Lewis had kept his son on life support hoping for a miracle.””
https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/11/las-vegas-murder-investigation-opened-into-beating-death-of-17-year-old-white-student-by-mob-of-black-students/
“t’s becoming an all-too frequent occurrence, yet there are no mobs of white people burning, looting, and murdering in response to the beating deaths of white people and Jews at the hands of black and pro-Hamas criminals. Nor, of course, should there be.
The latest horrifying incident occurred in Las Vegas and saw a mob of approximately 15 black high school students beating a lone white high school boy. The victim, 17-year-old Jonathan Lewis, later died from his injuries. The crime is being investigated as murder.
Fox News reports:
A Las Vegas high school student died after he was severely beaten by a group of around 15 attackers.
Jonathan Lewis, a 17-year-old student of Rancho High School, died Tuesday, less than two weeks after an attack by the group of students outside the school, according to a KLAS report.
The teen’s father, also named Jonathan Lewis, confirmed his son’s death to the station. The grieving dad said his son kept to himself and lived in Las Vegas with his mother, though the teen planned to move to live with his father in Austin, Texas.
. . . . Lewis said the teen’s family has been told by investigators that they plan to charge several students who were involved in the fight with murder.”
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1723726108959359107?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1723726108959359107%7Ctwgr%5E2950d42383556748bfc5f316329864a9aeff2c09%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Flegalinsurrection.com%2F2023%2F11%2Flas-vegas-murder-investigation-opened-into-beating-death-of-17-year-old-white-student-by-mob-of-black-students%2F
https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1723755496103100713?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1723755496103100713%7Ctwgr%5E2950d42383556748bfc5f316329864a9aeff2c09%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Flegalinsurrection.com%2F2023%2F11%2Flas-vegas-murder-investigation-opened-into-beating-death-of-17-year-old-white-student-by-mob-of-black-students%2F
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Biden’s America.
https://twitter.com/AndrewPessin/status/1723389615250219253?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1723389615250219253%7Ctwgr%5E792ca06b15a717063d8684bf8a3d6aba87bfe71b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Flegalinsurrection.com%2F2023%2F11%2Fislamist-and-leftist-mobs-run-wild-in-nyc-tear-down-american-flag-and-raise-palestinian-flag%2F
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He’s not out of it yet, as he’s said to be on Trump’s short list for VP.
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Ta da!
It’s magic!
What a joke.
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Money laundering, uni-party style.
https://www.thomasjeffersoninst.org/who-paid-for-the-abortion-ads-green-energy/
“You may think the recent Virginia election was about abortion, but follow the money. The wave of advertising on that issue was largely bankrolled by the renewable energy industry. This election was about energy and delivered to those special interests the legislature they needed to stay in control of that agenda.
Dominion Energy Virginia increased its donations to Virginia state politicians six-fold in just four years. The other major donors in the energy regulation arena, Clean Virginia Fund, and its founder, have done much the same. They are donating five times more in the 2023 election cycle than they did in the similar 2019 cycle.
The two political behemoths have donated about $23 million between them, compared to about $4 million four years ago. The totals really won’t be known until the final reports are due in the coming weeks. Throw in another $2 million from the League of Conservation Voters for good measure. Then the spouse of the Clean Virginia founder directly donated another $4.5 million in her own name.
While Dominion and Clean Virginia often disagree over regulatory issues, on many issues they are closely aligned. If any serious effort is put forward now to repeal or amend the Virginia Clean Economy Act, both will lobby against ending the net-zero targets. Both are keen for electric vehicles and will work to protect that mandate. Both strongly support Dominion’s offshore wind development and rapidly growing fleet of solar farms.
Virginia’s election laws are so porous, that the real spending amount may never be clear. In the last weekend, another round of mailings in favor of various candidates appeared from an advocacy group called Power for Tomorrow. It sent similar mailings out just before the June primary.
Reporting at that time noted that Dominion had provided funding for Power for Tomorrow, which basically is praising candidates who had voted for Dominion’s 2023 regulatory bill, which had its good and bad points. There is every reason to believe it is acting at Dominion’s behest and no question these mailers are intended to promote the candidates.
The Power for Tomorrow mailer appeared just one day after the State Corporation Commission implemented part of that bill, allowing Dominion to convert two years of unpaid fuel bills into a bond, and then make its ratepayers pay off the bond over 7 years.
Depending on the final interest rates on the deal, that will cost Virginians hundreds of millions of dollars in interest they otherwise would not owe. It removes a pesky $1.3 billion debt from the company’s balance sheet and replaces it with a quick infusion of free cash flow.
Keep those sums in mind as it helps explain what you will read next.
The Virginia Public Access Project’s most recent compilation shows Dominion’s 2022-23 total for donations at $12.8 million. Four years ago, when the House of Delegates and Virginia Senate were last both on the line, the total donated was a mere $2 million and change.
Clean Virginia was founded with the express mission of weaning Virginia politicians off of Dominion money. Its issue advocacy has included campaign finance reform, but it is also a lobbying group pushing wind, solar, and battery electricity generation and fighting to end fossil fuels. On the election reform front, it has merely started a bidding war for influence.
In this cycle, its total donations are up to $10 million and change. Four years ago, it donated less than $400,000. But its principal donor and leader is wealthy Charlottesville hedge fund founder Michael Bills, and in 2019 he mainly gave his money directly to candidates. Between them, the total was about $2 million, so the figure four years later is five times that amount.
This is equally astounding: four years ago, the largest sum Dominion gave to any individual candidate was $82,500. This time around, so far, 15 candidates have received more than $250,000, and the highest amount donated is almost $700,000. That went to an unopposed Democrat who may now be the new Speaker of the House. Clean Virginia’s largest donations exceed $600,000, including to two Democrats who won two of the most watched Senate seats.
Dominion’s money is fairly evenly divided between Republicans and Democrats. Clean Virginia over its years of giving has provided 98% to Democrats. So Dominion did fund some of the Republican messaging in response to the abortion attacks. In doing so, however, it cemented it relationship with those Republicans. Usually the Democrat in those cases was getting major Clean Virginia money so that nobody would vote against the joint agenda items. All bets were covered.
Four years ago, there was no Virginia Clean Economy Act, no mandatory renewable energy percentages, and no mandate to stop the sale of new gasoline vehicles. Four years ago, the $9.8 billion (or more) wind project was still in the planning stages and hadn’t filed for regulatory approval. Now the massive project is underway, one of the few in the U.S. still on track entirely due to its favorable regulatory environment. Those favorable rules were provided by these very same legislators.
A $23 million investment in keeping the legislature compliant and obedient makes perfect sense once you realize the billions and billions of dollars the transition to wind, solar, and battery will extract from Virginia’s residential and business ratepayers over the next decade. Dominion and Clean Virginia both understand return on investment.
This is the biggest mistake offshore wind developers in New Jersey and New York made, the ones that in recent weeks have backed out of various offshore wind deals. They failed to take the additional step of buying themselves a friendly legislature to write the procurement rules. Of course, those states both have campaign contribution limits in their laws, an inconvenience not faced by Dominion Energy or Clean Virginia.”
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Let’s hope so.
The rule of law these clowns are using is the 2 tiered system where only their political enemies are targeted.
Why that would make him just like Biden.
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Darn those evil Jews!
Oh wait…..
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Tim Scott does important work where he is. We need to pray for more like him.
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Well said yesterday, mumsee, about those who cannot survive on their own.
God will not ask us about the legislation we support. He knows our hearts. If we have a true fear of God, we will ask him for his wisdom regardless of secular laws.
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@11:07 re Tim Scott, agreed. -dj
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Haley-Scott? -dj
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Haley is a war hawk. I don’t think many people seriously care about the babies and entire populations killed by our wars and funding of them, while we spend countless hours and dollars debating how to get rid of abortion. Fortunately we don’t need to choose between war or abortion because there is a very strong peace-living pro life candidate at the top of the GOP poll.
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Who do you consider the “strong peace-loving pro-life” candidate at the top of the GOP poll? -dj
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And how do you defend the statement: “I don’t think many people seriously care about the babies and entire populations killed by our wars and funding of them (while being anti-abortion)” – thanks, dj
Not trying to be provocative, just trying to understand the thinking here.
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Oops that was me, Debra
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If we cared enough about our wars and the funding of them, we wouldn’t keep electing or promoting people who actively support them. Period. It’s not that difficult. It really isn’t.
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We don’t see the difficulty when the topic is abortion, but somehow when it’s war and tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of lives are on the line, it somehow becomes above our pay grade.
Debra
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Most here would not vote at all before they’d vote for a pro choice candidate. I don’t think there is a moral difference in voting pro abortion vs pro war. I have made that compromise before myself and it’s always turned out to be a bitter pill.
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Then we go back to the question of what constitutes a just war, recognizing that we live in a fallen world where wars — just and unjust — will be a fact of life.
An isolationist view has prevailed from time to time (see the 1930s) but isn’t sustainable as an all-or-nothing position.
There will be times when evil and injustice will force the issue and a response no one “actively supports” is taken. It becomes the only or last resort. Some situations are worse than war, the hard lesson learned a few times in America’s past. -dj
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Debra. (eye roll)
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Debra sorry keep forgetting.
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Is there ever a just cause for war? If not, where does that position go? Do tyrants lay down their arms as well? -dj
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As for polls, I just googled gop candidates recent poll.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/national/
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Sorry for the multiple name posts. They were not showing up and I’m rolling my eyes impatiently. :–/
Debra
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AJ
From yesterday – he picked up pepper spray and used it on police officers. That’s assaulting a police officer. Yes, using police materials on the police is a long time protester tradition but it’s still an assault. Put the political point of view aside, its a felony.
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DJ, In the first debate Haley pledged to continue sending money to Ukraine until Russia is defeated. That could add up to hundreds of millions that we can not afford for a war that is arguably unjust.
There is no need for people to become philosophers just to cast a vote, though it’s an interesting topic. But in a war as in abortion, lives are at stake. If you don’t know or have good reason to believe it’s a just war and also prudent, how can you vote to support it?
Debra
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Mumsee et al;
I’m speaking of legal abortion rules not my personal opinion . Secondly, the idea of viability includes the idea of medical assistance. Fetal viability by percent success increases dramatically between 20 and 24 weeks. When we speak of viability, we include medical and family assistance, hence no one would debate my 96 year old father’s right to life.
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HRW, is assault still a jailable offense?! Lawdy mercy, who knew.
Glad to see you’re back. And congrats on your retirement!
Debra :–)
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Debra (I think its you);
We usually agree on some issues but disagree on the solution. I don’t see Trump as anything as a self interested narcissist and as a trust fund baby who never matured.
I’ve opposed almost every US supported war until its support for Ukraine. Support for Ukraine is probably better than the alternative. I’d like to think I have some credibility in opposing war mongering, and my support for Ukraine should raise questions for those who see Ukraine support as a war hark position. Is pro Ukraine a pro life position? Compared to the alternative, yes it is.
Similarly, is gov;t health care and maternity leave a pro-life position – I would think yes even though one could have philosophical opposition to it.
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Trump simply does not strike me as a peaceable spirit.
Spending money on a war should (and does) require a robust debate. As to a just vs an unjust war, that also should require some debate but often times is evident. That doesn’t mean one side is always pure and right, the other side always committing the evil.
War is brutal and no one is arguing that point. I don’t think anyone here hasn’t prayed and felt dismayed at the scenes of children and families — civilians on both sides caught in the mayhem — being injured, killed and mourning in deep grief.
That comes with most wars, which is what makes the situation so jarring and difficult.
But resolving to sit on the sidelines in every case — because figuring out if it’s a just cause or not is too difficult — isn’t a solution.
Was World War II a just war? For a long time the US was determined to stay clear as atrocities overseas were being carried out (in more ways than we knew at the time). After the war, the truth of the horrors that were done to innocents was more fully revealed.
No one argues it’s an easy decision or is a decision that should not be carefully and robustly debated.
But to imply that our default should be “none of our business” is short-sighted. The world is small and interconnected. What affects one often affects all, for good or ill.
-dj
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6:10 Um, I should clarify that I’m rolling my eyes impatiently at MYSELF because I keep forgetting to sign my name—not at anyone else.
Debra:–)
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As for individual Christians, I’m a strong supporter of a conscientious objector right. Because there is no draft, it’s an issue that isn’t as relevant as it once was. But years after the fact I knew some conscientious objectors in WWII who provided needed service in exchange on the homefront.
An uncle of mine served in WWII but as a medic, he did not carry a weapon. He was shot once — in the rear end — and survived. 🙂
I fully support believers who find it morally against their convictions to pick up a weapon and serve (and to potentially kill), even in a war that carries a just cause.
-dj
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And I tend to agree mostly with HRW regarding Trump. His character in my view is suspect (putting it mildly and based on many reasons that have been all too public and evident through the years).
A cousin of mine, a couple years back, made the comment to me, “I don’t think he is a good man.”
Now that sounds simplistic — and as believers (she’s not) we know that no one is “good” in that ultimate sense of having no sin.
But I understood what she was saying. -dj
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Ha. Now DJ, I doubt that anyone who’s ever read much of what I have to say would characterize my default as ‘none of our business’— rather the opposite I’m afraid.
But do you view the Ukraine war as a just war for us to be funding? And to support Hailey, wouldn’t you need to?
Not trying to put you on the spot, but if there is a reason to support that war I would like to hear it. Although, even if it were a just war (and I truly believe it is not) I wouldn’t find it to have been prudent to fund it for the past 2 years. In fact, I believe we’ve done grave damage to ourselves.
Debra
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I do support the effort in Ukraine (which, remember, was attacked and invaded by Russia, they did not start this).
Again, the world is not disconnected and there are evil forces — and always will be — that will pose threats to other nations.
These events are not isolated (and I’m surprised you seem to think they are? but maybe I’m misunderstanding). There are forces and nations that are authoritarian and intend to extend that authority over others, often by force.
Russia may win its effort to take over Ukraine — and the other nations as well. Is that a good or acceptable trend?
-dj
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I have to admit that I’m not as emotionally invested in this election as I have been in previous years. Partially because I believe some things have been done that an election or two can’t undo. (Once the toothpaste is out of the tube it pretty much requires the manufacturer to put it back in again. But our “manufacturer” is in control so I’m not going to worry. )
At this point I think it’s more important not to put too much trust in leaders—any leader, but rather in the One who holds their hearts in His hand.
Having said that, I will reiterate the moral importance of war–not just abortion, and the danger of supporting those with a propensity to see violence and unrest as a useful tool. Eventually those tools used so readily abroad to cause instability will find their way back home to us. In some cases they already have.
Debra
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Then Hailey is your woman DJ.
Debra
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The idea that Trump, with his rather unstable, aggressive and easily-angered temperament, magically would keep us out of all wars strikes me as just naive.
I suspect he’d launch the fiercest of wars if provoked. -dj
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DJ, that was exactly what everyone said in 2016. But in fact he had a good relationship with Russia, mitigated the threat from North Korea, and established the Abraham Accords. The Abraham Accord was the beginning of peace in the middle east until the current administration scuttled it. It’s wasn’t particularly good for the war hawks in either party.
Debra
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But hey, elect Hailey or some other war hawk if you will.
What will be will be. I have peace.
Debra
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Trump also had some very wise and good people around him who, I believe, kept him restrained and more on course. We might not see that in a 2nd administration. Trump, untethered, would be a different experience — and he’s talked about that openly already, in terms of going after his enemies and being “our” “retribution.”
He’s an angry man who seems bent on revenge.
God is sovereign over all, including the nations, so I also have peace that even with the election of someone who’s easily provoked we remain in God’s hands. All will be well, but that doesn’t mean God doesn’t allow nations, by their own choices, to go sideways and go through seasons of being battered.
The U.S. doesn’t seem very grounded to me at this point — spiritually, morally or in understanding the importance of wisdom and humility in its leaders.
Something like 70% of voters in polls have indicated they don’t want either Trump or Biden to be the two nominees, but here we are, headed straight for that national crack-up.
But the election cycle is still (sort of) early (though getting later fast). We also will have at least a few “third-party” candidates floating in the atmosphere that could tip the balance one way or the other.
God have mercy on our nation which seems to be so very angry and lost right now. -dj
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And yes, he does seem to have a curious fondness for dictators. 🙂 -dj
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“The idea that Trump, with his rather unstable, aggressive and easily-angered temperament, magically would keep us out of all wars strikes me as just naive.
I suspect he’d launch the fiercest of wars if provoked. -dj”
Holy cow Dj.
You do realize he kept us out of new conflicts and wars, and had numerous peace accords signed in the mid-east, right?
C’mon.
The war hawks are the establishment stooges you support. The uni-party RINOs.
Just wow.
Aj
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4 years of peace, never once launched an aggressive action, yet you call him unstable, aggressive?
I can’t take you seriously when you spout such easily debunked stuff. You’re personal feelings about the man have clouded your judgement, clearly.
Aj
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